well I was thinking about it more in terms of the whole line of MK games. In each generation the Mario kart games are top performers. Clearly SSB is right up there too though. Honestly it might be better for Wii sales to have them spread out a bit release date wise. Both of these games (as well as Mario Galaxy) are going to put a pretty big strain on the supply of Wii's.
Much like Mario Kart isn't really a racing game SSB is not really a fighting game. MK is a Kart game (and there are plenty of others) and SSB is a... lets call it a Brawler. The only difference I can see is that, to the best of my knowledge, there aren't any other games like SSB.
SSB is a fighting game in the same sense that Mario Strikers is a soccer game.
Actually, I'm not so much blaming MS as I am lamenting the move from a PC game to a Console game. Consoles are not PCs you don't make the same game for a console as you do for a PC.
So maybe Im blaming MS for making it an xbox game... but thats really missing the point. Consoles aren't PCs.
Its not even so much about better or worse, just different. I'm simply lamenting that the very different game that could have been, never got produced. I don't think I ever really blamed MS in any of my posts. If sony had bought Bungie the effect would have been very similar.
From a business perspective I totally understand that this was the right move at the right time for both parties, but from my point of view, the title suffered for it.
The thing is... sure, Halo wouldn't have been as successful, but if it was a better game that would have made me, as someone who wanted to play the game they were originally talking about, quite happy.
Additionally, Marathon managed to have 2 sequels and bungie was an independent company at the time. Heck Marathon 1 was only on the mac so it didn't even have the potential audience that it would have if it were a Mac/PC game. While you can say that Halo would not have been as successful if not for MS, you cant say for sure that there wouldn't have been sequels if someone else had provided the cash infusion.
Personally, I don't much care for Halo as it stands. Its "Just Another FPS" as far as im concerned. So speaking personally I would rather have had a single game like the one they were talking about before the MS buyout than 3 games I don't want to play.
while it is true that they needed an infusion of cash, its not a stretch to imagine a world where that cash came from another source. Someplace like Apple for instance (to make it mac exclusive, or at least mac first) or perhaps another gaming company.
Clearly this was a good move for MS, but I remember what was being promised with Halo back in the beginning and what was delivered was very different. At least some of those changes were due to the fact that it was an X-box release instead of a Mac/PC game.
The promise of Halo in the pre MS days was so much more than what was ultimately delivered. Its possible that they were reaching too far before but I suspect the MS purchase and the switch to the X-box was most of the issue. So I agree with you there...
But I don't remember Halo being Mac exclusive. Bungee had been producing cross platform games for quite some time. I believe Halo was originally slated for a simultaneous Mac/PC release.
This is why I have trouble with all climate change scientists, on both sides. While it may be quite true that this is a one time change and the hole will go back to growing next year, the researcher quoted referes to a 30% reduction in size as "somewhat smaller."
Now, if the hole had increased in size by 30% do you think this guy would have said that it had gotten "somewhat larger." I don't. I suspect that if this was an increase in size this guy would have been saying its getting "significantly larger."
It doesn't invalidate his other point (that this does not mean there is a recovery in progress) but its the sort of word choice you see on both sides of this debate, doing anything you can to emphasize evidence that supports your position while minimizing evidence that does not. 30% is pretty significant, the fact that the size could fluctuate that much from year to year without being evidence of a trend is also significant.
Check out "the Godfather: Blackhand edition" for the Wii. Sure its not as bloody as manhunt but you are swinging your fists around to beat people up and the motions for grabbing and throwing a guy (or bashing his head on a counter) are similarly accurate. I really liked this honestly. It made the game much more enjoyable than a button mash would have been.
Oddly, I dont think it recieved nearly the attention of Manhunt. Maybe its because Manhunt is by those horrible purveyors of filth that are threatening to bring table tennis to the Wii.
Don't get me wrong. I have no issue with people who choose not to purchase a product that doesn't meet their needs. Thats your call. My issue is with some people in the open source community (and you might not be one of these people, but they do exist) who behave as if the company owes them something. There are plenty of examples just in this thread. Because Tom Tom is using linux, there are those that think they owe the community something. Well they do, they owe the community any changes to the source code that they distribute and any bug fixes that they make. Presumably they are providing that.
If they went the extra mile and provided linux support they would not be required to do so in an open source way, but you can be sure there would be those who would complain (we share our source why don't they).
There is a strong sense of entitlement among some in this community and I don't think it is doing a service to the community as a whole. If anything it is making it less likely that companies will provide linux support. I respect your choice to avoid products that don't meet your standards, but I don't respect those (not you) who feel they are simply entitled to something from a private organization.
Good support is not defined by the availability of code. Maybe it is for you... but not for the rest of the world. Companies know they can support windows (and the mac) without dealing with any of these issues.
Seriously, would you be happy with tom tom if they provided a closed source application for linux like they do on other platforms?
This is a big issue for open source. No matter what you do with it, somebody is going to be bitching that your not doing enough. These guys are doing what they are supposed to do (I assume, I don't actually keep track of such things) and they get people in the community bitching that they don't support linux as a desktop system. So lets say the decide to go the extra mile and support linux with a nice, closed source application that does what its supposed to do. Well thats not good, they should make that application open source too. So they go and develop the TPL (TomTom public license) and people take that apart and bitch that its no good and evil and why don't they just use the GPL.
And in the end, almost nobody new actually buys their product because of it. Sure, not all open source advocates are like this, but enough are that it causes some serious headaches for many of the companies who do try to work with the community.
yes, but being a good open source citizen isn't one of those things.
Spend the money on a recycling program, or donating devices to schools or other non profits. Thats the kind of thing that gets you positive mainstream press. Or you could spend the same money supporting linux and get little to no press coverage (and probably more than a few people bitching that your linux desktop software isnt open source, or uses the wrong license or whatever).
Considering how much end users bitch about the performance of the old finder, a new finder, if it performs well, would be a huge advantage all on its own.
I suspect a lot of this has to do with support for the new features. Apple wants random access VM and if the carrier is going to support it they want an exclusive contract.
I will agree with you, but it would be even more annoying if the opposite was true. If you couldn't use the touch screen.
most of the games on the wii allow for both pointer and d-pad driven navigation. Its good to have choices.
I hate the menu navigation in Tiger Woods 08 (for the Wii). So far the rest of the game has been ok (Ive only just started playing it) but the menus are a pain in the ass.
Some people have speculated that its the carriers who don't want some unknown piece of software fucking with their network. If this is the case it would be more like the fact that you can modify your ford but if you make certain modifications (like removing they exhaust system) you cant drive it on the road anymore.
I dont think anyone here knows enough about what is driving these decisions to honestly comment on it. Its not like apple makes it impossible to run third party apps on the mac. would they do so with the iPhone if there wasn't some external reason. honestly, I don't know.
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Im seeing the 119 number from a local school here. Maybe they have different deals with different schools.
Fair enough, I haven't thought about Double Dragon for so long the genre had slipped my mind.
well I was thinking about it more in terms of the whole line of MK games. In each generation the Mario kart games are top performers. Clearly SSB is right up there too though. Honestly it might be better for Wii sales to have them spread out a bit release date wise. Both of these games (as well as Mario Galaxy) are going to put a pretty big strain on the supply of Wii's.
Arguably, it is in its own genre.
Much like Mario Kart isn't really a racing game SSB is not really a fighting game. MK is a Kart game (and there are plenty of others) and SSB is a... lets call it a Brawler. The only difference I can see is that, to the best of my knowledge, there aren't any other games like SSB.
SSB is a fighting game in the same sense that Mario Strikers is a soccer game.
like you need more momentum than what Kart brings.
I don't have any hard numbers but it sure looks to me like the Kart franchise is the biggest one Nintendo has.
Actually, I'm not so much blaming MS as I am lamenting the move from a PC game to a Console game. Consoles are not PCs you don't make the same game for a console as you do for a PC.
So maybe Im blaming MS for making it an xbox game... but thats really missing the point. Consoles aren't PCs.
Its not even so much about better or worse, just different. I'm simply lamenting that the very different game that could have been, never got produced. I don't think I ever really blamed MS in any of my posts. If sony had bought Bungie the effect would have been very similar.
From a business perspective I totally understand that this was the right move at the right time for both parties, but from my point of view, the title suffered for it.
The thing is... sure, Halo wouldn't have been as successful, but if it was a better game that would have made me, as someone who wanted to play the game they were originally talking about, quite happy.
Additionally, Marathon managed to have 2 sequels and bungie was an independent company at the time. Heck Marathon 1 was only on the mac so it didn't even have the potential audience that it would have if it were a Mac/PC game. While you can say that Halo would not have been as successful if not for MS, you cant say for sure that there wouldn't have been sequels if someone else had provided the cash infusion.
Personally, I don't much care for Halo as it stands. Its "Just Another FPS" as far as im concerned. So speaking personally I would rather have had a single game like the one they were talking about before the MS buyout than 3 games I don't want to play.
while it is true that they needed an infusion of cash, its not a stretch to imagine a world where that cash came from another source. Someplace like Apple for instance (to make it mac exclusive, or at least mac first) or perhaps another gaming company.
Clearly this was a good move for MS, but I remember what was being promised with Halo back in the beginning and what was delivered was very different. At least some of those changes were due to the fact that it was an X-box release instead of a Mac/PC game.
The promise of Halo in the pre MS days was so much more than what was ultimately delivered. Its possible that they were reaching too far before but I suspect the MS purchase and the switch to the X-box was most of the issue. So I agree with you there...
But I don't remember Halo being Mac exclusive. Bungee had been producing cross platform games for quite some time. I believe Halo was originally slated for a simultaneous Mac/PC release.
Please, this is a highly politicized issue and climate scientists make comments like that all the time.
Tell me this, everything else asside, in what world is a 30% change "slight."
presumably if your data is worth enough you have backups.
HA HA HA HA... yea... I know, nobody makes backups
This is why I have trouble with all climate change scientists, on both sides. While it may be quite true that this is a one time change and the hole will go back to growing next year, the researcher quoted referes to a 30% reduction in size as "somewhat smaller."
Now, if the hole had increased in size by 30% do you think this guy would have said that it had gotten "somewhat larger." I don't. I suspect that if this was an increase in size this guy would have been saying its getting "significantly larger."
It doesn't invalidate his other point (that this does not mean there is a recovery in progress) but its the sort of word choice you see on both sides of this debate, doing anything you can to emphasize evidence that supports your position while minimizing evidence that does not. 30% is pretty significant, the fact that the size could fluctuate that much from year to year without being evidence of a trend is also significant.
Literally has literally come to mean figuratively in modern English, in a manner of speaking.
Oddly, I dont think it recieved nearly the attention of Manhunt. Maybe its because Manhunt is by those horrible purveyors of filth that are threatening to bring table tennis to the Wii.
Don't get me wrong. I have no issue with people who choose not to purchase a product that doesn't meet their needs. Thats your call. My issue is with some people in the open source community (and you might not be one of these people, but they do exist) who behave as if the company owes them something. There are plenty of examples just in this thread. Because Tom Tom is using linux, there are those that think they owe the community something. Well they do, they owe the community any changes to the source code that they distribute and any bug fixes that they make. Presumably they are providing that.
If they went the extra mile and provided linux support they would not be required to do so in an open source way, but you can be sure there would be those who would complain (we share our source why don't they).
There is a strong sense of entitlement among some in this community and I don't think it is doing a service to the community as a whole. If anything it is making it less likely that companies will provide linux support. I respect your choice to avoid products that don't meet your standards, but I don't respect those (not you) who feel they are simply entitled to something from a private organization.
Good support is not defined by the availability of code. Maybe it is for you... but not for the rest of the world. Companies know they can support windows (and the mac) without dealing with any of these issues.
Seriously, would you be happy with tom tom if they provided a closed source application for linux like they do on other platforms?
This is a big issue for open source. No matter what you do with it, somebody is going to be bitching that your not doing enough. These guys are doing what they are supposed to do (I assume, I don't actually keep track of such things) and they get people in the community bitching that they don't support linux as a desktop system. So lets say the decide to go the extra mile and support linux with a nice, closed source application that does what its supposed to do. Well thats not good, they should make that application open source too. So they go and develop the TPL (TomTom public license) and people take that apart and bitch that its no good and evil and why don't they just use the GPL.
And in the end, almost nobody new actually buys their product because of it. Sure, not all open source advocates are like this, but enough are that it causes some serious headaches for many of the companies who do try to work with the community.
yes, but being a good open source citizen isn't one of those things.
Spend the money on a recycling program, or donating devices to schools or other non profits. Thats the kind of thing that gets you positive mainstream press. Or you could spend the same money supporting linux and get little to no press coverage (and probably more than a few people bitching that your linux desktop software isnt open source, or uses the wrong license or whatever).
Stupid is as stupid does.
Considering how much end users bitch about the performance of the old finder, a new finder, if it performs well, would be a huge advantage all on its own.
that mostly has to do with a huge stock option package that was sent his way along with a gulf stream and a bunch of money to pay the taxes on same.
This happened years ago and no, its not a tax scam.
I suspect a lot of this has to do with support for the new features. Apple wants random access VM and if the carrier is going to support it they want an exclusive contract.
I will agree with you, but it would be even more annoying if the opposite was true. If you couldn't use the touch screen.
most of the games on the wii allow for both pointer and d-pad driven navigation. Its good to have choices.
I hate the menu navigation in Tiger Woods 08 (for the Wii). So far the rest of the game has been ok (Ive only just started playing it) but the menus are a pain in the ass.
It all depends on who is driving all of this.
Some people have speculated that its the carriers who don't want some unknown piece of software fucking with their network. If this is the case it would be more like the fact that you can modify your ford but if you make certain modifications (like removing they exhaust system) you cant drive it on the road anymore.
I dont think anyone here knows enough about what is driving these decisions to honestly comment on it. Its not like apple makes it impossible to run third party apps on the mac. would they do so with the iPhone if there wasn't some external reason. honestly, I don't know.
firewire really was the shit? I have it on most of my devices. Even my cable box can output over firewire.