Really? If you can afford $75/month, you can afford it with taxes. I can see their point for not wanting to give out numbers on this, because of the variables involved. Plus, if they try to quote you a "with taxes cost" then you might try to hold them to that figure. Better to just sidestep it and let you figure out the taxes yourself, like you would have to with any other purpose that is taxed.
What this guy's saying is: "just bend over, you can apply the vaseline yourself."
This was a practice from "structured" design, the predecessor to OO paradigm. GOTO was the major villain back then, and this practice ensures the control flow goes down one single direction, instead of jumping off/out at arbitrary points.
Still a good practice, in my opinion, but like everything, gotta apply your judgement.
For the gazillionth times, getting at how FISA was (ok, may have been) abused is the main issue, not punishing the telcos, and the immunity shuts down the lawsuits that could lead to such disclosure.
One of my personal theories is that morality is a luxury and a technology. We can afford to discuss a woman's 'right to choose', because we aren't desperate for members of a hunting or gathering party.
I suspected that ethics/morality was built over time to serve group survival, initially, then later establishment/order/etc.
Also, with the immunity, you have closed the one route people saw to get at how FISA ('78) was circumvented/abused. Does Obama know of an alternate route?
The whole thing is moronic. If a guy breaks a law, you don't let it pass and "make it up" by passing a new "more explicit" law - you go after the guy for breaking the law. The failure is not that of vague law, but it's the failure to enforce an existing law and prosecute the violators - that's you spineless Democrats. And we aren't talking about shoplifting, it's only the Constitution protecting the citizen from the tyranny of the gov't.
It's like the comment on NYTimes: Al Queda blows up coupla buildings. Congress "retaliate" by blowing up the Constitution.
With such Congress, who needs Al Queda? Bin Laden might as well shoot "mission accomplished" posters and retire now.
but the truth is, if the government tells a business to do something, and tells the business that they have legal authorization to do it, and in fact threaten the company if they don't comply, the business is going to be off the hook in court. Who should be held responsible? The government agencies that did the bullying and misleading in the first place.
Hence Bush threw everything and kitchen sink to get this through, since without it there is a good chance the lawsuits against the telco would drag him and his treasonous gangs along to the courthouse.
Rule of law, Hah.
We used to turn other countries into banana republics. Now we are one. I wish I was joking.
Only if the technologies aren't locked up and hidden away by patents...
This demonstrates the snafu that patent system has become. We're waging wars to secure oil resources, killing mass of people, but a scheme to sort out the issue is prevented by artificial legalism called "patent".
No, I don't want the double cheeseburger to "deal with him". I, and I think many others criticizing Obama, want him and other Obama backers to get Obama to honor his promise. We all know McCain is a damaged good - he's not the McCain of '04. We want Obama to fulfill his promise and make good on the support he received from all those who sent their $10, $20, $50, $100 donations - politicians who actually want to serve the country.
If I'm not mistaken, the government ordered these telecom companies to provide access to phone lines. Why, then, should they not receive immunity from the government's crimes? Of course, if they weren't ordered to wiretap, but were simply requested to do so, then it's a different story.
You are a broken clock. Godwin's law was invented for your ilk.
You aren't one of those people that is obsessed with trying to prove that 'old Europe' is senescent, are you?
;-) Sorry if I hurt your pride.
The European G8 members, all four out of 8, collectively account for 19% of world GDP, and it drops to less than 14% when PPP is factored in. Without Germany, the figures drop to less than 14% nominal and less than 10% PPP. I take exception with Germany because, in addition to being the biggest European economy, she trades extensively both within and without European borders, unlike the other European members who mostly trade within Europe block.
So, G8 has 3 out of 8 members collectively representing 10% of world GDP (and falling), while missing BRIC countries whose GDP are equal/greater and whose shares of world GDP are rising. Yes, I'd say G8 is bit off balance.
I wasn't implying that big economy means wealthy populace. If yours is a $100M economy of 100 people, you'd indeed be wealthy, but still a minnow in trade.
You'd project power outward by trade volume, not by per-capita wealth.
And none of the BRIC countries are substance economy - they project their influence outward plenty, and growing.
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What this guy's saying is: "just bend over, you can apply the vaseline yourself."
This was a practice from "structured" design, the predecessor to OO paradigm. GOTO was the major villain back then, and this practice ensures the control flow goes down one single direction, instead of jumping off/out at arbitrary points.
Still a good practice, in my opinion, but like everything, gotta apply your judgement.
What the fuck are you talking about, what's fucking jesus got fuck to do with fucking unix?! What the fuck?!
We should beam Jerry Springer into the enemy territory 24-7:
Je-Ry!!
Je-Ry!!
Je-Ry!!
They ain't got a prayer.
For the gazillionth times, getting at how FISA was (ok, may have been) abused is the main issue, not punishing the telcos, and the immunity shuts down the lawsuits that could lead to such disclosure.
I suspected that ethics/morality was built over time to serve group survival, initially, then later establishment/order/etc.
I would have modded you up, except yours is already +5.
But it's not Westerners, I don't think, but social "scientists". What does it mean to be "inherent" in a human invention (human language)?
Also, with the immunity, you have closed the one route people saw to get at how FISA ('78) was circumvented/abused. Does Obama know of an alternate route?
The whole thing is moronic. If a guy breaks a law, you don't let it pass and "make it up" by passing a new "more explicit" law - you go after the guy for breaking the law. The failure is not that of vague law, but it's the failure to enforce an existing law and prosecute the violators - that's you spineless Democrats. And we aren't talking about shoplifting, it's only the Constitution protecting the citizen from the tyranny of the gov't.
It's like the comment on NYTimes: Al Queda blows up coupla buildings. Congress "retaliate" by blowing up the Constitution.
With such Congress, who needs Al Queda? Bin Laden might as well shoot "mission accomplished" posters and retire now.
Hence Bush threw everything and kitchen sink to get this through, since without it there is a good chance the lawsuits against the telco would drag him and his treasonous gangs along to the courthouse.
Rule of law, Hah.
We used to turn other countries into banana republics. Now we are one. I wish I was joking.
This demonstrates the snafu that patent system has become. We're waging wars to secure oil resources, killing mass of people, but a scheme to sort out the issue is prevented by artificial legalism called "patent".
Such news should have come out of Detroit, not Germany. We need our fancy business schools gutted.
No, I don't want the double cheeseburger to "deal with him". I, and I think many others criticizing Obama, want him and other Obama backers to get Obama to honor his promise. We all know McCain is a damaged good - he's not the McCain of '04. We want Obama to fulfill his promise and make good on the support he received from all those who sent their $10, $20, $50, $100 donations - politicians who actually want to serve the country.
From "Change you can believe in" to "the other dude is even worse". Zealous backers turning from idealistic optimism to cynical sarcasm.
Makes you cry and laugh at the same time.
You are a broken clock. Godwin's law was invented for your ilk.
The European G8 members, all four out of 8, collectively account for 19% of world GDP, and it drops to less than 14% when PPP is factored in. Without Germany, the figures drop to less than 14% nominal and less than 10% PPP. I take exception with Germany because, in addition to being the biggest European economy, she trades extensively both within and without European borders, unlike the other European members who mostly trade within Europe block.
So, G8 has 3 out of 8 members collectively representing 10% of world GDP (and falling), while missing BRIC countries whose GDP are equal/greater and whose shares of world GDP are rising. Yes, I'd say G8 is bit off balance.
Death is too good for them.
Things look bit different when you factor in PPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) Fact is, UK, Italy, and France just don't carry the weight of their pretense.
Ok, wise guy, what about the turkey dogs? (good thing I corrected it from turkey gods)
AT&T and T-Mobile run GSM networks. There may also be regional ones using GSM service.
Really? What does it say?
Actually, even the UN Security Council is rather off balance, so perhaps they are rather similar.
I wasn't implying that big economy means wealthy populace. If yours is a $100M economy of 100 people, you'd indeed be wealthy, but still a minnow in trade.
You'd project power outward by trade volume, not by per-capita wealth. And none of the BRIC countries are substance economy - they project their influence outward plenty, and growing.
Well, I can't say I disagree.
Well, we have our American myopia, and you Europeans have your delusion of grandeur. Yours is funnier.