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G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Piracy
arcticstoat writes "Next week, the G8 summit will discuss proposals for new international piracy laws, which include border controls and cooperation from ISPs to identify pirates. The laws will also prevent ISPs from being liable for copyright infringement. If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?"
What the ....?! I thought G8 were working actively _AGAINST_ global warming, and now THIS?!
Outrageous!
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YTARY!
Data pirates or ship-hijacking pirates? Oh data pirates. You'd think they'd deal with the other type first.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
... is to hire NINJAS!
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
arrrr, matey you be talking of copyright violaters, not the eye-patch variety...
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Arrr...!
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
Piracy is taking precedence over energy conservation, alternative energy, weapons proliferation, violent crime, inflation, commodity prices and a couple permanent wars. Hooray. Let's choose an IMPORTANT topic for this year's G8 meeting. After all, quadrillions of dollars are being lost and billions of people are put out of work every day/starve to death because little Johnny watched a Britney Spears video on Youtube!
To the world's politicians: WHAT THE FUCK??? SERIOUSLY!
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Don't tell 'em it's hiding in my basement. I downloaded it last week, and had a plummer come and remove the pipes afterward just to keep its location secret.
The title of this story should read: "G8 Summit Aims To Kill International Privacy".
I presume from the summary that the proposed laws are actually about copyright enforcement rather than piracy, which is covered by maritime law.
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"Hmmm. What should we try to fix? World Peace Hunger Global Warming Intellectual property protection" "Hey that last one sounded good..."
Where there's a will, there will always be a way. Piracy cannot be contained, only accepted. Let's face it...people love free shit.
Avast! By the Neptune's testicles! Man the torrents, me mateys! From Fiddlers Green to Davey Jone's Locker, we'll do battle with these scurvy land lubbers! Climb the mizzen masts and get the black flag a flappin' in the Nor'Easter and WE BE IN DERE INTERTOOBS STEALIN' DERE COPYRITES!
Whoops. Lapsed from Pirate to LOLCAT there. Me heartys. KTHX!
The G8 used to consist of the 8 largest economies in the world. Now it is mostly just a group of good-old-boys who wish they were still relevant on the world economic stage.
The fact that none of China, India, or Brazil are included in the G8 and yet Italy and France are illustrate this perfectly.
...comment offtopic?
Check your facts! -> http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php
If the G8 summit were to agree on these measures and enforce them through international cooperation, could they really cut down piracy, or would they be impractical to enforce?
Not a matter of impractical... You have a stegosaurus trying to step on all those pesky little rats that recently appeared on the scene.
The stegosaurus can do whatever it wants, and the rats can't stop it. The rats, however, will last far longer than the dinosaurs.
What is this stupid idea of sharing things. We need to protect Britney for the greater good. Poor girl, losing all her well earned money due to pirates. Yyaarrr! MS doesn't have problems with pirates anymore though, Vista is their first 100% pirate free software. :)
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
The parent post neglected to clarify the reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster#Pirates_and_global_warming
For those who believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Pirates are considered divine beings and the decrease in the number of pirates in the word (acording to followers of the FSM) id the true cause of global warming. Ergo, this can be seen as religious persecution!
This, of course, is a religious view which I will neither refute nor defend in this forum.
Something that causes the loss of actual lives and goods. But nope the lords of IP must be served.
http://www.voanews.com/uspolicy/2008-05-15-voa5.cfm
"The United States is very concerned about the increasing number of acts of piracy and armed robbery at sea, especially off the Somali coast," according to the U.S. Department of State. Piracy and armed robbery have disrupted trade in east Africa and threatened the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the Somali people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy
in a canoe (sslr).
The laws will also prevent ISPs from being liable for copyright infringement.
... How do I become an ISP and get away with this muuuuuurrrrrdeeerrrrr.....
Piracy is taking precedence over energy conservation, alternative energy, weapons proliferation, violent crime, inflation, commodity prices and a couple permanent wars.
As in the straits of Malacca piracy. You know, real stuff being stolen, and real people getting killed. Silly politicians!
When will people ever learn?!?!
It's not piracy. It's copyright infringem...
Oh wait...
Nevermind.
You think they would understand by now that all they are doing are hurting themselves. On day (soon im hoping) everyone will rise up against these atrocities and fight back for what is rightfully ours!
In fact, assuming a deal is struck, these types of coordinated actions from organizations like the G8 will lead to a more "unified" body of world law.
These joint actions will form a basis for future world cooperation (whatever form that will take).
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...what will Big Media do if they do manage to "conquer piracy" and they still don't sell more crappy content than they do now? I know I rarely bother to "pirate" any of the crap they think is so hot, there is so much niche, antique, and "unavailable" stuff that I prefer now. Lots of it really is free on the archive, among other places.
Caveat Utilitor
It seems that the only freedom we have is to be a criminal.... wounder where they going imprison all these terrible criminals?
Allowing seven puppies to be harmed during the creation of your post. Really!
Surely you must have something better to do...
I hear they have real life pirates there to fight, boats and parrots and everything.
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the internet is useful because it provides two way communication. if you make the internet a one way system, you basically have nothing more than a fancy form of television. you also therefore strip the internet of all meaning and value that you can think up examples of yourself: email, chat, interactive content, forms, etc.
so as soon as you accept the fact that the internet remains a two way medium, you begin to understand that the gig is up. policing the traffic that flows from one node to the next is an arms race. every single thing that those who wish to police traffic can do, can be routed around, obfuscated through, etc.
in other words, the gig is up, the effort is futile. piracy is permanent. all you can hope to do with your efforts is breed more hardy pirating applications. hardly what you seek to do
so the thing for a proper world leader to do is accept the inevitable, and recreate the legal structre surrounding intellectual property to accomodate the new technological reality we find ourselves in. the new technological reality we find ourselves in has simply antiquated copyright and other aspects of intellectual property as we know it, circa 1985
or wage war against technological progress. your choice
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
The validity of a law is inversely proportional to number of people effected. Individual morals are more valid than state laws. Federal laws are to be viewed with suspicion. International laws are pretty much there to oppress humanity.
There's no way they can fail to stop piracy!
"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." -Albert Einstein
just now. just because i heard this bullshit. i aint gonna be politically correct and talk polite this time, while harsher words pass through my mind.
.....
around 300.000 people died in darfur in the last 2 years. women, children, men, old, young, healthy and sick. more keep dying.
glaciers melting. its possible that we may have ice free north pole this summer. sea levels rising.
a faggot is beating down opposition and staging a charade of an 'election' in zimbabwe, and attending united nations and other international meetings, defying condemnation and making a court's jester out of international diplomacy.
yet these sons of whores are talking about 'ip' 'piracy', on an important summit. nothing else.
there is no respect left in me for this ip thing at this point. people who can push stuff that has little importance like this on the world agenda ahead of humanitarian disasters, cannot have any rights. by those i mean anyone who is involved in riaa and those 'media and music' companies, and any artists supporting their side.
im making a nice living. i have cash to buy any game or album or video i want. but i will pirate them instead of buying, bar only the gaming companies/software houses i respect the most, JUST because this despicable, pathetic act they pulled with this G8 meeting.
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My first glance at the page saw 'G8 Summons Ants to kill International Piracy'.
It would be about as effective as anything else they are going to do. I for one welcome our International Ant Overlords.
Is this a power play to curtail privacy among the huddled online masses?
Is it the IP hawks pulling their political strings to ensure their failing business model maintains a sustainable profit margin?
Is it the International Political Powers being so out of touch with reality that they are actually going to discuss an issue like IP infringement, rather than say improving Quality of Life in struggling and war-torn countries, stop daily Human Rights violations occurring on every continent, or coordinate efforts to combat food shortages that are estimated to crop up (no pun intended) in the foreseeable future?
I'm guessing its all 3. How about you?
France will just surrender to the pirates, so nothing they decide will matter in the end.
Now that Google and other companies are planning to use the Columbia River dams by locating here for cheaper power, its going to put even more stress on the government to keep those dams going. Basically they are contributing to the extinction of the species- salmon
The document also claims that special measures would be put in place for developing countries in the initial phase of the scheme.
So the Middle East wouldn't have to worry about all this till it fails in the Northern Hemisphere.
But the idea of having ISP's (which are maostly governmentally run) in the Middle East slapping hands for piracy bring an entirely new dimension of horror. Taking into consideration an entire software market in countries that don't recognize International Copyrights, I can only come to one conclusion, unless the G8 allows more flexible software regulations on the developing countries, this will never end.
China, India, and Brazil are rising powers, but they haven't achieved the same level of importance yet. Also, the per-capita GDPs of China, India, and Brazil are still below that of other industrialized nations.
They can't seem to protect the physical goods at sea which they can at least understand. What then makes them competent to stop behavior they don't understand well? Much less do they understand the repercussions of their actions to prevent it? I think not.
Meanwhile, if they could stick to making the real world safer for trade and tourism, that'd be great.
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Self evident."
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Considering the practices of Bell Canada these days I'm sure they would happier than pigs in shit to help out the anti-piracy initiative. They're already one of the front runners in the campaign.
I have nothing compelling to say
Your list does not illustrate your point at all. See here.
Moreover, the Plus Five includes all of your suggested countries, although, to my mind, two are undeserving. See here. Then again, my misinformed opinion matters as much as yours, i.e., not at all.
What does an ISP have to do with the highjacking of ships? That's the kind of piracy the G8 should be working on.
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Wait, wait. We are talking about ENDORSING fascism? Enforceable? Of course it is unenforceable! It is not legitimate activity for a 'free people' to undertake! Why don't we just call ourselves Eurasia?
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Speeding is one of the easiest crimes in the world to prosecute. Find a hiding spot and pull the trigger - POW the speeder is fined. Lets see exactly how well is that working. Same thing for drugs, prostitution, gambling etc. Now I know that no one here speeds, does drugs, hires prostitutes or gambles. Funny how effective those laws are. This one would be just as blazingly effective.
PS My image (carder) made me think of another one - underage drinking
Astronauts v. Cavemen. Who would win? No weapons.
I say cavemen. They were built to survive brutal conditions. But then astronauts would have physical fitness and nutrition--perhaps stronger bones. And knowledge of anatomy. But does that really make a difference in a scrappy fight?
(Shoutout to Angel and the Buffyverse.)
Damn, and for a moment I thought they were going to crack down on the water based, ship raiding pirates.
What they (the submitter and linked article) should have said was "The G8 will be discussing new laws relating to copyright infringement"... Is that really more important than world hunger/poverty/climate change though?
It's the gross that matters, not per-capita. A billion dollar economy is still a billion dollar economy, with 1 person or with one billion people.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
I'm so glad we have our priorities straight.
We are at war, the world economy is bout to tank.. but we are going to go after those darned music copiers.
Geesh.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The government(s) make money off of the rest, but they don't make any money off of piracy....
- Piracy, they haven't figured out how to profit from this yet
Sorry but governments are world-class experts at figuring out how to make money from anything. They figured out how to make money from piracy hundreds of years ago...ever heard of privateers?
End copyright. All this goes away if we abolish copyright.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
You don't seem to particularly understand the importance of nations like Italy and France. As with Britain they're nations with extremely long histories that leave them to this day with a footing in many parts of the world. Their influence is incredibly strong internationally and it's this influence that keeps them strong economically, they're nations that simply wont sink in power because there's always nations willing to support them, trade with them and hold them up, often because of strong historical ties.
France particularly is strong in many other ways also, it's a member of the UN security council for one, has a lot of sway in the EU as does Italy- the EU is by far the worlds largest economy by GDP and many other measures.
These just aren't nations that are irrelevant, nor will they likely ever will be for decades or probably even centuries to come. I'm not saying this as a European with some arrogant feeling of self-importance (in fact, I'm British so I'm actually legally obliged to hate the French anyway ;)) but because these nations have so much power over international organisations and systems. They have the power to persuade the UN to push sanctions upon nations that dare consider trying to move away from the laws these nations produce for example and hence there's little that can topple them. Hell, a sizeable portion of the world depends on France and Italy for their defence, sure they could source equipment elsewhere but it'd take years and in the meantime they'd have zero support or ammo for their existing hardware.
It's probably worth also noting that France and Britain have been working to get China, India, Mexico, Brazil and South Africa in on the act for a little while now too, so as with most organisations irrelevance isn't relevant when change is possible as it is with the G8. China has been in on the G8 meets for a few years now anyway, there are only a few issues covered by the G8 from which it's excluded.
First Canada gets C-61, this is where ACTA now takes the stage.
My rights don't need management.
Good luck with all that.
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Needless to say I wasn't expecting much more than a quick response saying that my MP was also concerned and that she would keep an eye on it, blah blah blah. Indeed this was almost exactly what I received several months ago. Today however, to my surprise I received a further letter from my MP. It seemed that she had also written a letter with mine attached to John Hutton who is the Secretary of State for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform. I never honestly thought that my letter would get much of a response but it did get one from Shriti Vadera (Under Secretary). My MP forwarded it as follows (with my name replaced):
Dear Ms May,
Thank you for your letter of 19 March to John Hutton on behalf of your constituent, Simian Road, about the 'peer to peer' network users. I am replying as this matter falls within my portfolio.
Mr Road's concerns may have been prompted by recent press reports on this issue, some of which, I'm afraid, were inaccurate. The correct position is as follows:
In December 2005, the then Chancellor asked Andrew Gowers to undertake an independent review of the UK intellectual property framework. The Review was published in December 2006 (and can be found at http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/independent_reviews/gowers_review_intellectual_property/gowersreview_index.cfm). The Government welcomed the findings of the Review, and committed to taking forward those recommendations for which it is responsible, to ensure that the UK Intellectual Property (IP) regime is fit for the digital age.
The following recommendation concerned "peer-to-peer" (P2P) data-sharing - in effect the un-authorised copying of data files (typically music or films) between individuals: "Recommendation 39: Observe the industry agreement of protocols for sharing data between ISPs and rights holders to remove and disbar users engaged in 'piracy'. If this has not proved operationally successful by the end of 2007, Government should consider whether to legislate".
The issue is a complex one and has implications for data protection, e-commerce, consumers, the network infrastructure competition, and copyright protection. To date, industry has been unable to develop a voluntary solution and, in view of this, we have decided to start looking at possible legislative solutions. As stated in the Creative Britain strategy paper published on 22 February: "We will consult on legislation that would require internet service providers and rights holders to co-operate in taking action on illegal file sharing - with a view to implementing legislation by April 2009".
The consultation paper, which we are developing in discussion with stakeholders, will seek to identify a number of possible legislative options, including technological solutions.
those $40/ hr steelworkers in pittsburg don't look so crappy anymore
no war needed, just peak oil
globalization: reversed
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Don't these guys know anything? Pirates can do anything they want!
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate
Yar-har-fiddle-dee-dee
Being a pirate is alright to be
Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free
You are a pirate!
No the title is correct, it is just that their aim is bad. If they were aiming at international privacy it would probably be safe.
Adopt Canada's method in South Park, stick them on a floating chunk of arctic ice and:
Prime Minister Abootman: "Eh! What do you think you're doing?!"
Terrence: "We're setting you adrift, idiot."
Murphey's fighting Occam, and we're in the stands.
Remember during that wonderful pouring of love for the poor, teh G8 solved the problem by promising them the same money they promised 10 years ago.
Problem solved.
I think this will be JUST as successful but it wont get as much sexy coverage.
Making people believe that you want to end poverty gets you a lot more young poon than going after pirates.
Well, we have our American myopia, and you Europeans have your delusion of grandeur. Yours is funnier.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
I am glad that the war against the G8 is now in the front cyber-lawn and so many people are saying WTF? Seems that a lot of folks here don't think *they* have a chance. Let's see if attitudes change when the storm-troopers kick down doors of student dorms to search and destroy the wifi routers...
This has been on the go in secret for a while. At the G8 they just rubber stamp the done deal. The wikileaks article is quite scary (RTFA) but what is weird is that you have to go to Wikileaks and download dodgy TIFF files to find out about it. Where's the democracy in that?
Bring on the stormtroopers. I am going to see how many peers, seeds and leeches drop off over the next month. Just fear alone might shut down P2P viability. Let's see... Virgin media subscribers are going to tidy up their act, Google/Youtube is going to get cleared up and now this. All the news is in cyber-space today, shame the real economy has fallen off of a very large cliff...
How do we setup a P2P network that goes wi-fi to wi-fi with no need for ISP's, governments and snitches? It's time for web 3.0...
While I agree that China, India and Brazil should be included, I do not agree with your statement that the G8 is group of good-old-boys who wish they were still relevant. Some facts (number between brackets indicates rank in GDP).
G8:
Canada (13), France (8), Germany (5), Italy (10), Japan (3), Russia (7), the United Kingdom (6), and the United States (1)
For comparison:
China (2), India (4), Brazil (9)
The only odd ball is Canada in this list. The G8+5 makes much more sense (as proposed by the UK), and includes China, India, Brazil, Mexico, and South Africa.
Not if all that GDP is produced by subsidence agriculture. It's the ability to project power outside your borders that counts.
"cooperation from ISPs"
If that means what I think it means I hope it doesn't happen.
Besides.... a large portion of pirating takes place in China... who doesn't seem to care.
Here's an idea.... let's pick yet another topic for G8 to impossibly try to solve.
My vote is for Earthquakes... I mean... really... look how many people one earthquake killed in China.... someone should do something.....
Yar!
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"The United States is very concerned about the increasing number of acts of piracy and armed robbery at sea, especially off the Somali coast," according to the U.S. Department of State. Piracy and armed robbery have disrupted trade in east Africa and threatened the delivery of humanitarian assistance to the Somali people.
You forgot to include this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state
The only difference between Somalia and [all the other failed states] is that Somalia has one of the longest coasts in Africa, which makes it hard to police, even for a stable government. Perhaps more importantly though, this failed State sits between the Mediterranean Sea (the Suez Canal) and the Indian Ocean. If Somalia wasn't in the way of such a vital shipping corridor, they wouldn't get nearly as much attention from Western Governments.
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Wrong:
- Poor people won't donating part of what they were gain from this to politicians.
- Music And Film Industry Associations of Anywhere will donate.
Laws will be passed and enforced!
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When I read the title, I geared myself up for a cool G8 vs Pirates naval campaign. Instead of awesomeness, I got "music piracy". Oh well.
It is perfectly legal to download the anarchist cookbook, but they want to criminalize downloading copyrighted music and movies...?
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While the headlines surrounding next weekÃ(TM)s G8 summit mostly concern climate change and development in Africa, thereÃ(TM)s also a new international plan for piracy measures being discussed
The worst part is the headline and summary weren't even misleading. You just assumed the worst, when the truth was in the first paragraph, ferchrissakes!
At least you know better now, right?
we will just ignore it. let them prosecute 100-150 million people if they can.
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It is kind of weird that the government is so active against piracy, but really dosnt give a damn about the environment. If they reassigned all of their people from one field to the other, we wouldnt need to stay inside watching movies, we could go out and enjoy the happy joy springtime with rainbows and bluebirds, and such.
"International Pirates" is exactly what the members of the G8 are.
Hence the growing influence of the G8+5 (or G13), and the proposal to add U5 (a rotating group of 5 underdeveloped countries). There has been a lot of discussion about decreasing the time the G8 meets in order to increase the time the G13 meets.
"Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
K ...sounds like more reason to go through your personal stuff ...are we turning in to a communist state ...is there not long enuff waits at the borders already with out them going through your laptop for mp3s ...come on this is bullshit ....how about using this money to feed the hungry or house the poor ...
I thought the same. Moreover I don't see how restricting or preventing copyright infringement over the internet (which is by and large free of cost) is relevant to fighting 'piracy', which is the same 'crime' (copyright infringement) but here the perpetrator intends to illegally profit from the act.
I always thought software and related computerised piracy involved money exchanging hands. When and how did this definition change?
Energy conservation? Hmm... The higher the cost of oil, the more taxes the gov't collects.
Alternative energy? Not quite yet, let the private sector come up with inventions, and once they're feasible then tax it, so that gov't can make collect money even on non-oil-based energy sources.
Weapons proliferation? Permanent war? There is a lot of money to be made in weapons dealing and war.
Violent crime? Does it threaten the profitability of any G8 member? Not quite? Right, let's tackle piracy first, it will guarantee steady income for our multibillion corporations who pay our living expenses anyway.
Some of this may be a bit of a stretch, but only a bit. The more time goes by, the more apparent it is that governments are not interested in the rights of the people - they are interested in their own pursuits/agenda that maximizes their income and power, while at the same time keeping the masses subdued by minimizing their rights - at all costs.
Perhaps we have already crossed the point of no return. Think about this. Are you interested in criticizing the current US gov't? Can you make a movement against it? How do you know that you won't be wiretapped and then blackmailed? Or that any of your plans can be thwarted with warrant-less surveillance? Maybe that's how so many politicians don't place that critical vote - because they had been wiretapped and gotten dirt on. Big Brother started watching a long time ago, and no doubt has everything he needs to get where he's going. Nothing will stop him.
Judging by recent laws passed in the EU, it is following suit.
As for many parts of Asia, Big Brother never left (think China, Russia, Uzbekhistan).
Rich people come together to discuss ways of solving problems that annoy rich people, while ignoring those problems that are genuinely harmful to most people.
The very questionable belief that anything that is problematic for a rich person ultimately winds up harming the poor is once again offered as justification.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
its an accumulative issue.
the laws being pushed in u.s., europe. the ACTA bill, french and british isp 3 strikes and youre out bullshit, proceedings of riaa.
and now this, on top of everything. inclusion of 'data piracy' on a global summit that has much more serious matters to handle than feeding some already fat cats.
no. i dont need to read TFA. its gone way out of hand already.
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For a second I had hoped the G8 might be addressing the >other piracy issue, namely the armed boarding and robbery of boats in areas such as Nigeria, Morocco, and Somalia
You know, where there are tangible goods being stolen and real people being murdered.
But I'm sure this software piracy issue is much more important.
The laws will also prevent ISPs from being liable for copyright infringement.
Okay, then I'm an ISP. Warez, please.
So they finally decided to destroy piracy! Not child porn rings, not human trafficking, not abuse of human rights, not ignorance, and not poverty. So sharing files is more evil than other things. I don't only find this disturbing, I find it outrageous.
the internet is useful because it provides two way communication. if you make the internet a one way system, you basically have nothing more than a fancy form of television.
And you think this is news to them? Companies like the television model and they want it back. They have the money to pay off politicians, and politicians set the agenda.
in other words, the gig is up, the effort is futile. piracy is permanent
Your ability to copy stuff across the Internet depends entirely on a legal framework that makes this possible, something that can be easily changed.
Democracies have been taken over and destroyed by corporations and special interests before, with a complete destruction of civil liberties and complete control of communications by the state.
Only a complete fool would believe that this can't happen again.
You're kidding, right? People need a certain level of income just to survive. A billion dollar economy shared among a billion people simply doesn't have the resources to be considered "wealthy", no matter that they've got a billion bucks worth of production. Even a trillion dollars shared among a billion people isn't enough to constitute real wealth.
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
Well, we have our European myopia, and you Americans have your delusion of grandeur. Yours is scarier.
i mainly do oscommerce estore development and general development. almost all the stuff we use or the customers request installation on their stores, or modifications that they have us do are open source.
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Well, I can't say I disagree.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
You'd project power outward by trade volume, not by per-capita wealth. And none of the BRIC countries are substance economy - they project their influence outward plenty, and growing.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
Do these companies believe that somehow piracy takes away from the economy? Most people spend every penny they have as it is. The few people who actually will pay for what they pirated will only be taking money away from some other sector... which will then scream for laws to drive money back to their sector. And nothing helps the economy like more lawyers picking over our bones (sarcasm).
The only place these laws will be effective are in countries like the US... and speaking for me and my friends... we are ALREADY TAPPED OUT ON CASH.
Squeeze somewhere else please.
I wasn't implying that big economy means wealthy populace. If yours is a $100M economy of 100 people, you'd indeed be wealthy, but still a minnow in trade.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
Is there a way to only download songs that only causes kitten killing?
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Surely they have more important things to worry about, like people starving and dying of aids, iraq, afghanistan, robert mugabe, burma, etc...
Just shows they're only concerned with the agenda of big business.
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youll just be taken as a radical, an oddity and labeled by the media (they control it) that way.
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Not really. See for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
With the obvious exception of Russia, they're all in the top 8. Because the G8 has always been about economic clout, not necessarily just size. This is why Russia is in there, but not India or Brazil.
The G8+5 countries form a list with a less arbitrary cutoff, but that is irrelevant, because everyone is interested in clout, not size.
This is getting worse by the minute.
The G8 used to consist of the 8 largest economies in the world. Now it is mostly just a group of good-old-boys who wish they were still relevant on the world economic stage.
Members of the G8: US, Japan, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Russia.
Respective ranks in world GDP: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11. Total GDP: two thirds of the world.
Some has-beens.
Don't get me wrong I engadge in the odd pirating ... well ... anyway
This is great news, as they stop piracy, the free software/free content movement will explode.
This is the worse thing RIAA and it's likes wants to happen, but they can't see it
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You know, the ones that pull up to your boat with AK-47s, kill you, and take your boat? Why aren't any of the G8 using spy satellites or spyplanes to catch them?
Avast, ye scurvy scallywag! Who did tell ye our numbers be decreasing?
Let me be the first pirate to say, I think we should go ahead and begin killing G8 leaders. Until there is real democracy with actual counted votes, and a real free media not run by the corporations who have also corrupted all of our western "democracies", this pirate is armed, downloading whatever the fuck he wants, and if you didn't get the message loud enough: FUCK YOU.
I'm going to sign this message in caps, in the style of John Hancock:
RHY
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Sure combat piracy, just don't stop sharing.
Who cares about per capita? If the Chinese government put their foot down and decided they wanted to take over the the microprocessor market, I'd shit my pants if I was in Intel's board.
I mean their board of directors, you geek!
Don't underestimate the economic power of a fascist country, and China is one. Especially if it has more manpower than you could muster even if you legalized child labour. They can fairly turn their eye on some market and corner it. They have everything necessary. They have the brains to design and control it, and they have cheap slave labour to manufacture it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
China is far more complicated than you can imagine. It is both fascist and non-fascist. Do you know that elections have been running there for more than a decade now, at the village level? In other words, the majority of the population in China is already democratic.
Sorry, but I am not interested in getting a unified world law written by old rich people who only are interested in making themselves and their progeny richer while using the justification that if it is good for the rich it will "trickle down" to the poor eventually, even though that is known to be complete bullshit.
What? So the MPAA and RIAA have the old dodo galoots in G8 by their collective cojones now?
Here's a thought - how about not anally violating legit users? I pay to get a DRM infested low bit rate MP3 as a legit user, but on torrent I can get a 320kbps CD quality tune or even lossless FLAC's today? Where's the incentive to prevent piracy here?
If G8 wants to get involved in something financial and internet related they should start by killing off international identity theft rings.
This is a MUCH larger dollar amount than even the claims of the content conglomerates. It also hits a broader range of businesses - primarily the financial institutions, which are already in enough trouble from the housing bubble bust.
Taking down a handfull of the biggest identity theft rings would drastically cut these losses. This would do a lot to stabilize the world economy - without appreciably shifting the world power balance or hurting any particular country (unless it was acting as a safe haven for one of the rings and participating in its ill-gotten gains).
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
'Now I'll be on the FBi watch list..." - oh if only you knew...
Just as I was posting a reply my Virgin Broadband drops off the net. Only the paranoid survive and after I checked up my backup connection to the interwebs and ran a traceroute or two I almost had one of those paranoid moments! I even paused my torrents in case they had cut me off already (they do have boxes to slow down p2p users).
Where was I, another poisonous comment:
I forgot about circuses and bread. This year the UK are not in the football so we don't even have circuses. Don't get me started on bread, that's getting a bit expensive these-a-days.
In my earlier post I forgot to mention that the ACPA was originally proposed at the Gleneagles meeting of the G8. That was the one on the eve of the 7/7 London bombings, widely regarded as weird at the time and not investigated a great deal thereafter.
At or around the same time there was 'Sideshow Bob' Geldof making the same speech that he always makes with the exact same false promises. They called it Live G8 Aid or something like that - a circus if ever there was one. The next day it was back to The War Against Terrorism with the distinctly weird 7/7 thing. Theoretically I could pervert my mind to believe that was all it was cracked up to be, but the mental effort is too hard. There were too many bad guys running terror exercises that were exactly like the act of terror that actually happened, much like the story we don't talk about...
Getting back to ACPA, the official story is that the Japanese proposed it at Gleneagles. I don't wish to be dismissive of Japanese music and film, however, it strikes me as odd that they should be the ones wanting to lock down intellectual property rights.
'Sideshow Bob' had his sidekick Bono with him at Gleneagles. Allegedly they were the ones representing *us* and speaking to power, placing the 'let's feed the starving Afrikaans' spiel on the table. Bono was also the person that tried to get the 'three downloads and your broadband gets cut off' idea to be accepted a little while back. I now suspect that he had an entirely different agenda at the G8 meeting, namely to place ACPA on the table. He has the vested interests, not the Japanese.
If there is to be a peasants revolt over all of this I would not be surprised if the entire U2 back catalog was burned on the streets. To make their vulgar trite rubbish available as a default torrent could also become a popular armchair protest at or around the same time as the barricades get manned...
You Sir - owe me a new keyboard. And new nose hairs - OUCH!
Slashdot, where armchair scientists get shouted down and armchair theologians get modded up.
They're going to hang us all! O_O
Most the recent piracy cases seem to be in the coastal waters of Somalia. I'd of thought either working towards a stable government, or, failing that, an international naval task force might help. But ISPs? What are they supposed to do?
Watch this Heartland Institute video
Why do these terrorists (people who employ "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion" - see wikipedia article on Terrorism) still abuse the term piracy? Neither the United Nations, nor the International Maritime Bureau define piracy as the downloading of files (see wikipedia article on Piracy).
The legality/illegality aside, the way they are handling physical piracy sure makes me confident they'll succeed in removing internet "piracy" in no time (here, here, here and here - I bet you didn't even hear that is a problem in other businesses, maybe with the exception of fashion and software).
Here's something to think about, dear G8. All of these products being copied have artificially high prices. Could it be that those prices should be adjusted down to make it non-profitable to copy them instead of using lots of taxpayers' money (who do you think will fund these new action programs against "piracy"? You thought it was the businesses involved? Wrong!) to fight an uphill battle (War On Drugs anyone?).
... not because they decided to do that (although I don't care because I use FLOSS and if I really like a game I buy it), but because they are putting it out in the open. Remember the new US trade agreement 'against corruption'?
Here be signatures
Things look bit different when you factor in PPP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) Fact is, UK, Italy, and France just don't carry the weight of their pretense.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
For instance, if you've lost your job, and desperately need to find another, do you dispense with things like going to the bathroom, reading, or sex?
After all, compared to the REALLY BIG issues in your life, those things are not NEARLY so important, are they?
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
A bit different? UK: 6 on each of those PPP lists. Italy: 9 and 10. France: 8 on each of them. The only one that even drops out of the top eight with massaging is Italy.
You can argue that China should be in the G8, as it is in the top eight economies by any measure (though G8 was specfically created as a group of industrial *democracies*), and that Brazil and India should get an invite as full members, not just the G8+5 (as democracies with a GDP nearly at or more than Russia's), but that doesn't change the fact that the existing members are gigantic economies, the powers of the world.
You aren't one of those people that is obsessed with trying to prove that 'old Europe' is senescent, are you?
not buying cds is an expression of what i feel. its an inner issue, they dont need to know, or it doesnt have to have an impact. its for doing what i believe as the right thing to do.
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collaborating with something that is not righteous, just, acceptable to the society is in itself a violation of morality. imagine the germans who fled nazi germany out of ethical reasons. they might have stayed (in 30s) and just lived on. yet they left their homeland. their change didnt do any impact. but, morally, they didnt stay on and become a contributor to some unethical scheme.
its a matter of moral values. the way things are going, the intellectual property industries (especially music, tv, movie) have become a hulking dinosaur that is preventing progress of mankind. a lot of laws that are violating privacy of people, and installing dangerous mechanisms to monitor communication have been passed in a number of countries recently, and some of them are due to international pressure from media cartels.
these are very dangerous. because a monitor and control mechanism that is there for some purpose, can be used also for another purpose. we had it here in turkey. supposedly to combat terrorism and crime, monitoring of all communications traffic has been exploited by the ruling party to shame opponents and take them under pressure - opposition party, non party government officials and so on.
the proceedings of the media cartels to preserve an age old (18th century, specifically) business method are not only hurting development of new distribution and business methods, but also creating dangerous grounds for implementation of such control and monitor mechanisms.
yes, my choice may not have too much impact. yes, noone may notice if i dont buy cds anymore.
yet, i wont be a part of the above, and i'll know it. this is important.
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The European G8 members, all four out of 8, collectively account for 19% of world GDP, and it drops to less than 14% when PPP is factored in. Without Germany, the figures drop to less than 14% nominal and less than 10% PPP. I take exception with Germany because, in addition to being the biggest European economy, she trades extensively both within and without European borders, unlike the other European members who mostly trade within Europe block.
So, G8 has 3 out of 8 members collectively representing 10% of world GDP (and falling), while missing BRIC countries whose GDP are equal/greater and whose shares of world GDP are rising. Yes, I'd say G8 is bit off balance.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
but if there was nothing as ip, there wouldnt be a need for gpl either.
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..that the G8 meeting finally will take up serious topics like software piracy, instead of trivial problems like war, weapon export control, trafficing, hunger, spread of HIV and global warming.