The fact that they are making so many pointless actions shows that they are scared. These clowns are outnumbered and powerless in a situation where users can simply ignore them without any loss to themselves. The funny thing is if their product actually worked, this situation wouldn't have happened. The good news is that they are wasting money and resources trying to scare and re-educate the public and that is one area they have no chance of winning. Anyone capable of doing anything with these keys or similar information isn't going to give a rats ass about anything the chairperson of AACS has to say. A lot of people didn't even know what these organizations were before, but once they do they often think of them as the Gestapo of the digital age. Thats not an image they will be able to overcome and it will always put a damper on their propaganda. I might have an ounce of respect for them if they actually used some common sense and good PR strategy, but they clearly think senseless threats are going to scare everyone into submission. In the mean time I'm not giving them a red cent. I'll save it for a good high speed connection or some new hardware.
Your argument is driven purely by narrow minded politics and has no regard for the user. Regardless of how you feel towards MS, its going to benefit Linux users if they have a choice to view Silverlight content. This OS is supposed to give users choice, if your going to limit developement based on politics and what company you don't like then your not that much different then MS. If Mac and Windows users do embrace Silverlight then I don't see how ignoring it would be good for Linux users or anyone who wants to switch. At the same time half the people with your attitude will complain that it isn't cross-platform. Lets not complain when someone truly qualified is willing to change that.
I'm a PSP owner. Its a beautiful device for playing portable games, nothing more. The screen is big, the graphics are good, and if Nintendo games aren't your style its pretty much your only option. Thats being said Sony is a joke when it comes to portable digital audio/video players and online services. Even Microsoft is far superior to them in those categories so their chance at creating an all in one device that competed with the iPod and the DS was laughable. I wouldn't even call this a missed opportunity because Sony just doesn't have it in them to make the PSP that should have been. The only thing that will change this is if they learn from their failure and make some big changes.
They rarely ever consider the effects on people outside the US. For example, why is the rate of violence in Japan so much lower than in the US when children in Japan have more access to violent video games and other forms of entertainment? Could it be that we have a culture that continues to glorify war and promote aggression as the most effective means of solving problems? Our history to this day is centered around war and being some kind of hero and our government is the strongest supporter of this. Americans including kids were aggressive long before video games were all that realistic. The fact that our video games are violent is more of a biproduct of the way we are, not the cause of what we have become. The late 80s and early 90s were the most violent for kids in the US, yet most of the games people were playing weren't that realistic when it came to violence. Doom was great but your average kid was playing a 3rd person 2d game on NES. The music was pretty violent but that was after it was influenced by violence in gang and drug infested communities. In the end most kids that are hardcore gamers(the ones that would be most influence by their games) don't have time to go outside and commit real world violence. Real world violence would just be seen as a hinderance to game playing.
There are plenty of jobs here in the Seattle area. Some people just don't know where to look. I have worked with contractors in the area and have seen the hordes of jobs they have and the majority of them are.Net/C#. Entry level positions usually start through a college program or through contractors like Volt or Excel. These aren't crappy jobs either. For whatever reason applying to the companies around here directly will most likely be ignored. When I got my first interview for a.Net position, they asked me how much I wanted. I had no idea what to ask for so I said $30 and hour. The lady laughed at me and said no.Net dev had ever asked her for a salary that low before. Most of the product managers I have worked with don't use any other source besides one of the major contractors. Then they get full time prospects from existing contract employees. Usually so few people end up applying for the position they end up settling for someone they are unsure about. I actually don't have a CS degree but I had an intership and 4 years of programming experience. So when I applied for my first programming position at a software company I was going up against people with CS desgrees but they had no work experience, so I got the job easily. During the interview they told me 2 things. One that they could care less about a degree and two they didn't care what programming language you solved the problems in as long as you were good at it.
Its news because despite all of Windows real flaws, there are many times when comparable Windows issues are patched and people jump all over it. Sometimes there is good reason but most people here don't make that distinction. You often see the same response that you are making. There's a lot of nitpicking around here so it shouldn't be such a big deal if is done towards other platforms as well. Thats being said I agree, this isn't news unless their purpose is to report when a patch for any OS is released.
MS's flagship game hasn't come out yet. For a lot of people Halo was the reason to get the Xbox. I don't think they are going overtake Nintendo when Halo 3 comes out but I'm sure they will be doing a lot better. I expected the 360 to be doing much worse. Its Sony's low sales that have suprised me.
Most web developers could never develope something as good as Gmail and even Google has had problems getting things to run on Opera and Safari. When Google Calender came out it did not work with Opera. I know I was an Opera user and they specifically stated that it was IE and FF only. Eventually it would load but it was extremely slow. I'm sure it works now it was obviously not that easy. Same thing goes for some of their other apps. You'r talking about a major corporation that has more knowledge and resources then most. In contrast I think web apps need a lot of work before we have true cross browser solutions that are easy for everyone to make.
Standards compliancy and working with FF aren't necessarily the same thing, especially if you consider previous versions of FF. Whenever I develope sites according to standard Opera was usually the one to get it right. FF was off in its own world because it didn't render to standard and it didn't render the IE way. Thats was one of the reasons why I used FF. It was a non-IE browser that still managed to be usable on many non-standard sites that favored IE. Opera and Safari were totally different. Even many google sites are FF and IE only when they come out. Look at Google Calender, it wouldn't even run under Opera when it came out and they only supported FF and IE. Was that laziness or comprimise? It sucks that many sites render differently under each browser but IE is not the only one doing things its own way. Opera, Safari and FF all render websites differently and adhere to different standards regardless of their lip service. Throw browser features into the mix and FF isn't that different from IE. It steals features from Opera, though not enough to make it as feature rich, and it's less compliant than the underdog.
As far as reason for developing for IE goes there are many. Back when I used to use html editors even Dreamweaver's crappy code favored IE. So tools play a part. And yes, many people are behind the times. Not just developers but users. Last time I checked my site logs most users were still on IE 6. I know you guys are cutting edge but you have to realize not everyone moves as fast as you and many of them just don't care.
Because we all know the planet always does smart and productive things. Lets not forget this is the same planet that created this situation in the first place.
As you can imagine there are plenty of people here who work for software companies. I'm one of them. The products I work on are pirated heavily. If I made the argument that I am loosing out because of that I would deserve to be smacked repeatedly. I get paid well and guess what? We are hiring. The only people complaining here are the big shareholders and president which is understandable to a point. It would be laughable to think that if all the people who pirate our software would have been customers. The truth is if they didn't have the option they would use free software. I am greatfull to pirate bay. Most people who pirate our more expensive products can't afford them and they don't need them. For us there will always be part of the market who has to pay for our products but piracy assures that even people who don't still get hooked on them. When they do spend money on software or go to work their experience will favor our products.
You really think some kid who downloads 3dsMax is costing that company money? How about some teenager who pirates SQL Server Enterprise? I know tons of people with 3dsMax on their machines but I have met very few who actually use it. With Photoshop, I know many people who pirate it and actually use it, but if they couldn't get it free most of them would not buy it. Instead they would actually pay attention to something like Gimp or Paint.NET. I'm not saying they are saints, but I am saying its not money lost. At the end of the day everyone thinks they have to have Photoshop which is free advertising(ching ching). So yeah it would be a massive exxageration to say that every product pirated costs the company money.
I'm throwing poop bricks at them not because they put adaware on there but becuase they had the audacity to give such a lame reason for it. After that I looked at their page noticed how much white space there was. It was rediculous. If those ads were visible I wouldn't have bothered reading the article. That list is one big joke.
People in my company pretty much live in Outlook 2007. I have multiple workstations, notebooks and mobile devices synching to the exchange server. Somebody sends out a meeting notice and it needs to be accepted , then it automatically marked in your calender, and they get a list of who is going, the room automatically gets reserved etc, if there is a time conflict the user is notified. Sending an ordinary email would require extra steps, unecessary tracking and time people don't have. It may not sound like a lot of work but if you considered the amount of meetings we have and how often the details change then it becomes a lot of work. I am not a manager, I use it all the time and I'm not really big on calenders.
There's other benefits too. If I get a new phone that can mate with an Exchange server, my detailed contacts and notes sych with the phone. I don't have to install plugins or Thunderbird extensions and the experience is pretty consistent across multiple devices. We also use tablet PC a lot as well as a phone that supports ink and I can synch notes that include ink. Also consider that this is the anti-MS capital of the internet so its probably not the best place to ask questions like that without someobody trying to convince you that the general public uses notepad to schedule most of their meetings. There are other options that have some of these capabilities but not all of them. Outlook is the most fearure rich if your ecosystem includes mobile devices or tablet enabled pc's.
Is this a rhetorical question? They probably assumed that most of the people demanding preinstalled Linux won't buy it and they would be wasting resources. Even if it does well most of the people who demanded it won't buy a dell. I know because I saw people go to forums just to say, go to Dell's site and vote for Linux.
There are people that do what you are describing at MS, its just not PR, its developer content and user assistance teams. PR doesn't really work with the products in the sense that they would have that capability.
Don't assume that what PR does is the sum of how a developer product is sold to developers. Marketing isn't even the biggest resource for that. The method for promoting development products varies for every single product team. Every division has their own user assistance groups and developer content groups that consist of programmer writers, editors and technical writers. Those people sell products to developers in the manner that you are requesting. They conducts labs, make videos, do training, booths, make developer centers and are often the people who handle API documentation since they have both development and communication skills. Sometimes evangelists augment that process. And FYI evengelists are not part of PR. PR has its own job to do. Most MS oriented developers wouldn't go to PR for such a resource. MS does have significant resources selling development platforms in the manner you requested they just don't think PR is the most qualified resource for that aspect of a development products promotion.
Although its not consistent, there are times when deleting files takes a rediculous amount of time. Its completely unnaceptable. I get similar behave sometimes just by opening folders. I click on a folder and have to wait for the green bar to do something, I'm not sure what, are you trying to make thumbnails of my text files, theres only ten? From what I can tell it has something to do with either search indexing or thumnails.
I have never seen what you are describing.
It can't be that uncommon. I know hourly workers at MS get 2 - 15 min paid breaks. In practice they get as many paid breaks as they want so long as their work flow isn't horrible. Lunch and breaks aren't even really tracked for hourly workers and if your boss asks you to go out to lunch; thats a 2 hour paid lunch (hours and food) all in the name of team building.
Maybe its a Washington State thing, but even when I was an hourly worker, I got 2 - 15 min breaks at every company I have worked for and they were paid breaks. They even told us we had to take them.
Really? I thought it was the other way around. Most of my problems with Linux have been because of my Nvidia graphics card. When Fedora 6 came out I had problems installing the drivers and with Ubuntu I had some problems enabling graphics acceleration.
I could get by with GIMP I just don't like it. Getting by doesn't mean a whole lot and its a down right horrible phrase to use if you want to convince someone to use a product. I use a few titles (Photoshop, Fireworks etc)to do tasks that could probably all be done with Photoshop, but that doesn't mean it could be done better, more efficiently or to my preferences. I could name a lot of titles that I prefer that aren't available on Linux. PSPad is an example. Sure there is something else I can use, but since I have a choice, I choose my own preferences over yours. I see no reason to use software I don't prefer just because it works when the software I am using works. Just because something is an alternative doesn't mean its an alternative that the user will like. A large portion of users don't want to settle for software titles that fit their specifications but not their preferences. Inregards to Linux, instead of trying to force your ideals on non-Linux users and dictate their needs, you should also address their preferences and if you can't satisfy them then they have a valid reason for going elsewhere. But you are correct that Photoshop is not going to sell Linux to these people. It would take a lot more than that.
Errr this is almost exactly what I did except half the time I didn't know what I was setting up or what was going wrong. Yes, Gentoo was my first attempt at installing a Linux distro. I wanted to be cool and skip the more user friendly distros. I remember there were 3 different types of installs and I tried to pick what I thought was the easiest one. I didn't touch another distro for a long time after that. That was about 5 years ago so it was probably a lot worse then. I swore that some day I would return and defeat the Gentoo installation. I've almost tried again but I usually end up playing a game instead.
There's also the tablet pc API, hand writing recognition, Sideshow, Jolt Ink etc and some of this was home grown. MS has made a lot of innovations when it comes to mobile pc, UMPC, tablet etc. Its silly for someone to say they lack innovation when they don't even kow about this stuff.
People at MS say stuff like this all the time, they just don't go public with it. And why would they? I don't see their competition admitting their faults anymore then they do.
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The fact that they are making so many pointless actions shows that they are scared. These clowns are outnumbered and powerless in a situation where users can simply ignore them without any loss to themselves. The funny thing is if their product actually worked, this situation wouldn't have happened. The good news is that they are wasting money and resources trying to scare and re-educate the public and that is one area they have no chance of winning. Anyone capable of doing anything with these keys or similar information isn't going to give a rats ass about anything the chairperson of AACS has to say. A lot of people didn't even know what these organizations were before, but once they do they often think of them as the Gestapo of the digital age. Thats not an image they will be able to overcome and it will always put a damper on their propaganda. I might have an ounce of respect for them if they actually used some common sense and good PR strategy, but they clearly think senseless threats are going to scare everyone into submission. In the mean time I'm not giving them a red cent. I'll save it for a good high speed connection or some new hardware.
Your argument is driven purely by narrow minded politics and has no regard for the user. Regardless of how you feel towards MS, its going to benefit Linux users if they have a choice to view Silverlight content. This OS is supposed to give users choice, if your going to limit developement based on politics and what company you don't like then your not that much different then MS. If Mac and Windows users do embrace Silverlight then I don't see how ignoring it would be good for Linux users or anyone who wants to switch. At the same time half the people with your attitude will complain that it isn't cross-platform. Lets not complain when someone truly qualified is willing to change that.
I'm a PSP owner. Its a beautiful device for playing portable games, nothing more. The screen is big, the graphics are good, and if Nintendo games aren't your style its pretty much your only option. Thats being said Sony is a joke when it comes to portable digital audio/video players and online services. Even Microsoft is far superior to them in those categories so their chance at creating an all in one device that competed with the iPod and the DS was laughable. I wouldn't even call this a missed opportunity because Sony just doesn't have it in them to make the PSP that should have been. The only thing that will change this is if they learn from their failure and make some big changes.
They rarely ever consider the effects on people outside the US. For example, why is the rate of violence in Japan so much lower than in the US when children in Japan have more access to violent video games and other forms of entertainment? Could it be that we have a culture that continues to glorify war and promote aggression as the most effective means of solving problems? Our history to this day is centered around war and being some kind of hero and our government is the strongest supporter of this. Americans including kids were aggressive long before video games were all that realistic. The fact that our video games are violent is more of a biproduct of the way we are, not the cause of what we have become. The late 80s and early 90s were the most violent for kids in the US, yet most of the games people were playing weren't that realistic when it came to violence. Doom was great but your average kid was playing a 3rd person 2d game on NES. The music was pretty violent but that was after it was influenced by violence in gang and drug infested communities. In the end most kids that are hardcore gamers(the ones that would be most influence by their games) don't have time to go outside and commit real world violence. Real world violence would just be seen as a hinderance to game playing.
There are plenty of jobs here in the Seattle area. Some people just don't know where to look. I have worked with contractors in the area and have seen the hordes of jobs they have and the majority of them are .Net/C#. Entry level positions usually start through a college program or through contractors like Volt or Excel. These aren't crappy jobs either. For whatever reason applying to the companies around here directly will most likely be ignored. When I got my first interview for a .Net position, they asked me how much I wanted. I had no idea what to ask for so I said $30 and hour. The lady laughed at me and said no .Net dev had ever asked her for a salary that low before. Most of the product managers I have worked with don't use any other source besides one of the major contractors. Then they get full time prospects from existing contract employees. Usually so few people end up applying for the position they end up settling for someone they are unsure about. I actually don't have a CS degree but I had an intership and 4 years of programming experience. So when I applied for my first programming position at a software company I was going up against people with CS desgrees but they had no work experience, so I got the job easily. During the interview they told me 2 things. One that they could care less about a degree and two they didn't care what programming language you solved the problems in as long as you were good at it.
Its news because despite all of Windows real flaws, there are many times when comparable Windows issues are patched and people jump all over it. Sometimes there is good reason but most people here don't make that distinction. You often see the same response that you are making. There's a lot of nitpicking around here so it shouldn't be such a big deal if is done towards other platforms as well. Thats being said I agree, this isn't news unless their purpose is to report when a patch for any OS is released.
MS's flagship game hasn't come out yet. For a lot of people Halo was the reason to get the Xbox. I don't think they are going overtake Nintendo when Halo 3 comes out but I'm sure they will be doing a lot better. I expected the 360 to be doing much worse. Its Sony's low sales that have suprised me.
Most web developers could never develope something as good as Gmail and even Google has had problems getting things to run on Opera and Safari. When Google Calender came out it did not work with Opera. I know I was an Opera user and they specifically stated that it was IE and FF only. Eventually it would load but it was extremely slow. I'm sure it works now it was obviously not that easy. Same thing goes for some of their other apps. You'r talking about a major corporation that has more knowledge and resources then most. In contrast I think web apps need a lot of work before we have true cross browser solutions that are easy for everyone to make.
Standards compliancy and working with FF aren't necessarily the same thing, especially if you consider previous versions of FF. Whenever I develope sites according to standard Opera was usually the one to get it right. FF was off in its own world because it didn't render to standard and it didn't render the IE way. Thats was one of the reasons why I used FF. It was a non-IE browser that still managed to be usable on many non-standard sites that favored IE. Opera and Safari were totally different. Even many google sites are FF and IE only when they come out. Look at Google Calender, it wouldn't even run under Opera when it came out and they only supported FF and IE. Was that laziness or comprimise? It sucks that many sites render differently under each browser but IE is not the only one doing things its own way. Opera, Safari and FF all render websites differently and adhere to different standards regardless of their lip service. Throw browser features into the mix and FF isn't that different from IE. It steals features from Opera, though not enough to make it as feature rich, and it's less compliant than the underdog. As far as reason for developing for IE goes there are many. Back when I used to use html editors even Dreamweaver's crappy code favored IE. So tools play a part. And yes, many people are behind the times. Not just developers but users. Last time I checked my site logs most users were still on IE 6. I know you guys are cutting edge but you have to realize not everyone moves as fast as you and many of them just don't care.
Because we all know the planet always does smart and productive things. Lets not forget this is the same planet that created this situation in the first place.
As you can imagine there are plenty of people here who work for software companies. I'm one of them. The products I work on are pirated heavily. If I made the argument that I am loosing out because of that I would deserve to be smacked repeatedly. I get paid well and guess what? We are hiring. The only people complaining here are the big shareholders and president which is understandable to a point. It would be laughable to think that if all the people who pirate our software would have been customers. The truth is if they didn't have the option they would use free software. I am greatfull to pirate bay. Most people who pirate our more expensive products can't afford them and they don't need them. For us there will always be part of the market who has to pay for our products but piracy assures that even people who don't still get hooked on them. When they do spend money on software or go to work their experience will favor our products. You really think some kid who downloads 3dsMax is costing that company money? How about some teenager who pirates SQL Server Enterprise? I know tons of people with 3dsMax on their machines but I have met very few who actually use it. With Photoshop, I know many people who pirate it and actually use it, but if they couldn't get it free most of them would not buy it. Instead they would actually pay attention to something like Gimp or Paint.NET. I'm not saying they are saints, but I am saying its not money lost. At the end of the day everyone thinks they have to have Photoshop which is free advertising(ching ching). So yeah it would be a massive exxageration to say that every product pirated costs the company money.
I'm throwing poop bricks at them not because they put adaware on there but becuase they had the audacity to give such a lame reason for it. After that I looked at their page noticed how much white space there was. It was rediculous. If those ads were visible I wouldn't have bothered reading the article. That list is one big joke.
People in my company pretty much live in Outlook 2007. I have multiple workstations, notebooks and mobile devices synching to the exchange server. Somebody sends out a meeting notice and it needs to be accepted , then it automatically marked in your calender, and they get a list of who is going, the room automatically gets reserved etc, if there is a time conflict the user is notified. Sending an ordinary email would require extra steps, unecessary tracking and time people don't have. It may not sound like a lot of work but if you considered the amount of meetings we have and how often the details change then it becomes a lot of work. I am not a manager, I use it all the time and I'm not really big on calenders. There's other benefits too. If I get a new phone that can mate with an Exchange server, my detailed contacts and notes sych with the phone. I don't have to install plugins or Thunderbird extensions and the experience is pretty consistent across multiple devices. We also use tablet PC a lot as well as a phone that supports ink and I can synch notes that include ink. Also consider that this is the anti-MS capital of the internet so its probably not the best place to ask questions like that without someobody trying to convince you that the general public uses notepad to schedule most of their meetings. There are other options that have some of these capabilities but not all of them. Outlook is the most fearure rich if your ecosystem includes mobile devices or tablet enabled pc's.
Is this a rhetorical question? They probably assumed that most of the people demanding preinstalled Linux won't buy it and they would be wasting resources. Even if it does well most of the people who demanded it won't buy a dell. I know because I saw people go to forums just to say, go to Dell's site and vote for Linux.
Please elaborate on this. I'm not a Linux lover and I have noticed quite the opposite.
There are people that do what you are describing at MS, its just not PR, its developer content and user assistance teams. PR doesn't really work with the products in the sense that they would have that capability. Don't assume that what PR does is the sum of how a developer product is sold to developers. Marketing isn't even the biggest resource for that. The method for promoting development products varies for every single product team. Every division has their own user assistance groups and developer content groups that consist of programmer writers, editors and technical writers. Those people sell products to developers in the manner that you are requesting. They conducts labs, make videos, do training, booths, make developer centers and are often the people who handle API documentation since they have both development and communication skills. Sometimes evangelists augment that process. And FYI evengelists are not part of PR. PR has its own job to do. Most MS oriented developers wouldn't go to PR for such a resource. MS does have significant resources selling development platforms in the manner you requested they just don't think PR is the most qualified resource for that aspect of a development products promotion.
Although its not consistent, there are times when deleting files takes a rediculous amount of time. Its completely unnaceptable. I get similar behave sometimes just by opening folders. I click on a folder and have to wait for the green bar to do something, I'm not sure what, are you trying to make thumbnails of my text files, theres only ten? From what I can tell it has something to do with either search indexing or thumnails.
"Sure, but it wouln't provide any obvious reasons for Vista-bashing. Where's the fun in that?" Your being kind of redundant.
I have never seen what you are describing. It can't be that uncommon. I know hourly workers at MS get 2 - 15 min paid breaks. In practice they get as many paid breaks as they want so long as their work flow isn't horrible. Lunch and breaks aren't even really tracked for hourly workers and if your boss asks you to go out to lunch; thats a 2 hour paid lunch (hours and food) all in the name of team building. Maybe its a Washington State thing, but even when I was an hourly worker, I got 2 - 15 min breaks at every company I have worked for and they were paid breaks. They even told us we had to take them.
Really? I thought it was the other way around. Most of my problems with Linux have been because of my Nvidia graphics card. When Fedora 6 came out I had problems installing the drivers and with Ubuntu I had some problems enabling graphics acceleration.
The company that invented the software evengelist doesn't have time for an agenda. Yea sure.
I could get by with GIMP I just don't like it. Getting by doesn't mean a whole lot and its a down right horrible phrase to use if you want to convince someone to use a product. I use a few titles (Photoshop, Fireworks etc)to do tasks that could probably all be done with Photoshop, but that doesn't mean it could be done better, more efficiently or to my preferences. I could name a lot of titles that I prefer that aren't available on Linux. PSPad is an example. Sure there is something else I can use, but since I have a choice, I choose my own preferences over yours. I see no reason to use software I don't prefer just because it works when the software I am using works. Just because something is an alternative doesn't mean its an alternative that the user will like. A large portion of users don't want to settle for software titles that fit their specifications but not their preferences. Inregards to Linux, instead of trying to force your ideals on non-Linux users and dictate their needs, you should also address their preferences and if you can't satisfy them then they have a valid reason for going elsewhere. But you are correct that Photoshop is not going to sell Linux to these people. It would take a lot more than that.
Errr this is almost exactly what I did except half the time I didn't know what I was setting up or what was going wrong. Yes, Gentoo was my first attempt at installing a Linux distro. I wanted to be cool and skip the more user friendly distros. I remember there were 3 different types of installs and I tried to pick what I thought was the easiest one. I didn't touch another distro for a long time after that. That was about 5 years ago so it was probably a lot worse then. I swore that some day I would return and defeat the Gentoo installation. I've almost tried again but I usually end up playing a game instead.
There's also the tablet pc API, hand writing recognition, Sideshow, Jolt Ink etc and some of this was home grown. MS has made a lot of innovations when it comes to mobile pc, UMPC, tablet etc. Its silly for someone to say they lack innovation when they don't even kow about this stuff.
People at MS say stuff like this all the time, they just don't go public with it. And why would they? I don't see their competition admitting their faults anymore then they do.