I like your idea, but it would never fly as more than a very niche product for people like us. Nobody will ship a mainstream successful phone that doesn't have a unified interface. It's suicide to expect the average smartphone user to understand, much less make use of 2 different totally different ways of operating their "phone". And that is assuming it is seamless and doesn't need to be messed with when one wants to transition. I trust Google and Apple to perhaps be able to nail that part, but even if it really is automagical it will still confused the shit out of most users. Sure the pitch might sell a few of them for the cool factor and geeks will love it, but most people are barely able to use their smartphones as it is beyond installing apps and opening emails. Look at desktop PC users and you will know what I mean. Windows is old as sin by now but it still is mostly a mystery to the average user who uses it almost every day. I think the Moto Atrix was an attempt at what you are talking about, but I never really followed it after hearing about all the drama the software/ROM had. I'd be curious is others have tried this and what the resulting products were like.
and written up by the dedicated hacks over at NetworkWorld. Too bad for them they could only span it over to measly pages. Think of all the advertising dollars wasted.
I never trusted pilots! I just wasn't sure why, but everybody who told me I was a loony can go suck a bag of dicks. I mean think about it who else flies planes? Terrorists on 9/11 thats who! Why is nobody in the liberal media is reporting this connection? I mean think about it, they say they lock the cabin door for their own safety but what are they hiding? A mosque? WMD's? I think we have a right to know who these so called "Captains" really are. I know this is a lot to take in, but somebody has to speak the truth. Sometimes you just have to have faith that if an idea doesn't seem to make any sense or be based in anything rational then it must have been put in your head by God. Where else could it come from? And if God is putting super smart ideas in my head then everybody better just pay attention to every word I have to say or risk eternal damnation. I mean I prefer Coke to Pepsi, is that because God told me to? Why risk it, best to stock up on Coke. I mean you could chance it, but that's a pretty big gamble to take. If any of this doesn't make sense to you it just proves how liberals and their heathen worldly "education" can poison the pure childlike mind required to accept The Truth without question. Now I command you all to buy my forthcoming book where I reveal even more of His Word exclusively for the special introductory price of $29.99. End times are right around the corner so better buy now.
Not trying to troll or anything, but despite a casual interest in Mozilla and mobile OS's and being an avid desktop FF user I had no clue it was out of beta. No doubt I missed a post or two, but considering I use FF Mozilla's top product and am often sent to their site to report bugs I really think they should fire their marketing people. Breaking into mobile is hard. If a guy who has been using FF since it was still called Phoenix isn't aware you put out a final product I would venture to guess the people who just stopped clicking the big blue E on their desktop are not likely to be coming out in droves. Something has gone seriously wrong at Mozilla over the last few years and this is just another example.
You are right that in some cases the options are wide and require effort to investigate. In that case I weigh the productivity loss of looking into it further, if it is a minor feature or something I only use rarely I have no shame in letting inertia keep me on what I'm used to. I rarely use a painting program on my PC but every now and then I need it for some random thing I just keep using what I'm used to without worrying too much about missing out on something a tad better. My OS's on the otherhand are very well researched, and in a hypothetical world where there was a $1000 one that vastly increased what I could get done and still run my software I would buy it in a minute. Cost is certainly a factor, but unless you have a philosophical belief in only using free solutions you are not really looking at the big picture. Had a friend who does quite a bit of Photoshoping try and go GIMP because it was OSS. I wished him best of luck, Adobe blows- but he was back in a week. In the end his enthusiasm for all of the great qualities of open software simply weren't enough to deal with a not very good product (according to him).
I'm not afraid to admit I use a quite of commercial software and have been quite happy with many products out there. Yes even a few MS ones. But as a person with a functioning brain and an interest in productivity you can bet your ass every time I'm looking at an upgrade I take a moment to survey the options. Often over the course of a major version upgrade cycle I learn that a cheaper or if I'm lucky an OSS solution has become viable for my needs. Any time I see an organization act outside of that simple principle I can suspect only one of two things and neither are good. I usually hope it's just narrow minded ignorance, which with luck can sometimes be cured, but when you lock people into a paid-for only solution it usually ends up being bribery of some sort. Governments are in the end just made up of people, and like in the corporate world the decision makers are often the most selfcentered people in the land. Add to that despite using and recommending certain MS programs and services I have little doubt in my mind that MS is one of the most unethical technology companies in the world- it's how they got where they are.
This. MyFordTouch 2012 (Powered by MS) car owner here in full agreement. I get angry every time I see an ad touting this hellish "feature". Other brand's seem comparably nearly as bad.
Wow, did a quick Google and learned a lot about this infamous sound-check. Reagan... really seems like a fool. Was just a little tyke at the time but the more I hear the less I like the man.
I bought a Nook HD+ (9in) 2 weeks ago and it is a great value. For a consumption device it is a hacker's dream at that price. Custom ROMs really make it a great device. But it is not a desktop or notebook PC. And only a fool or a media consumption only user would feel they are equivalent.
Good! I've never been against porting to any platform that gives a dev more potential customers; Until the X1. Fuck those assholes for what they tried(and nearly succeeded) to do. We won't forget and my 360 is the last Xbox I will ever buy.
I'm not a tinfoil hat type who won't touch GMO because of any silly number of silly new age concerns or paranoid fantasies. But, that doesn't mean people don't have aright to know what they eat. Sure labeling won't solve problems like in TFA, but anything additional that informs consumers is a good thing. And knowing the potential pitfalls of different food choices should be a right. The current inability of shoppers in the US to know what foods are GMO means consumers have no choice. It also leads to suspicion and support to the luddite part of the anti-GMO crowd.
Labeling is the first step to educating the public on GMOs and what they provides as well as potential impacts worldwide from GMO such as increased yield (with less chemicals) on one hand, and things like genetic diversity concerns and the role of seed/pesticide suppliers and patents on the other. The reason labeling here is so opposed by the industry isn't because of some conspiracy or concern that customers will decide to stop eating their product, or radically change their diet. Americans have known what we eat and its volume are deadly and McDonalds hasn't been shut down.
Instead the reason behind non-labeling is to keep the status quo, labels on food mean questions, questions lead to competing information and the rise of the conspiracy theorist. Not having to label is just the path of least resistance. But keeping a few loud mouth idiots quiet isn't a good reason to not engage honestly with the public about a very profound change in the way we produce food, and quality to support a growing population.
To be fair, I don't believe there is a jailbreak for iOS6 or any of the new iDevices. So I imagine that number must have gone down. Of course the general gist of what you say is accurate. If WP8 gains any relevance at all I expect them to be in the same boat Apple and Google are in.
I really hope Nokia realized that when they sold their soul to MS they don't get to say what they want anymore. They are tied to a much stronger company, who literally controls their only chance at having any relevance in smartphones. When they had options, and in-house OS production they might have been able to say what they wanted, and risk souring one of many relationships. Now it's all the eggs in one place, with a company not known for treating even perfect partners with an ounce of respect.
I believe the setting you are referring to was only in the pre 6.0 betas. I can't remember what it was called. I assume it was removed because of issues like this. But perhaps only the toggle was removed?
Very true about GMaps being awkward vs native app. But did you ever use the older YouTube app? It was fucking horrible, featureless, HD-challanged, slow as all hell. The new Google provided one is so much better, and even the web interface was miles ahead for literally years. The other benefit for iOS users is one less uninstallable app. But Apple should have let people do that from the start.
Wow, despite the stereotype you peddle to the angry at the world basement dweller *portion* of Slashdot, these same social scientists you mock include most of the founders of any significant human civilization and the documentors/philosophers of high level thinking; which I'm told is something required even to do even "real" science. Heck many of them were "real" scientists as well and not just wimpy philosophy space wasters. Back when people were only considered wise if they valued both understanding the physical and the metaphysical. These beta test scientists understood silly things like maintaining analyzing history, being able to speak/write coherently, and many other social innovations were key to a society where ""real" science could be performed. These proto-social scientists found patterns and themes in history, created structured language, documented things, and otherwise enabled the wide spread acceptance and clear reasoning for the social contract distinguishing humans from other animals through mutual generational information transfer. This is what makes us able to understand the value of interaction over pure instinct and creates an environment where experiments and science can exist. Humans didn't do much of anything to progress up until this point. Before all this a lab would have been pointless and useless, specimens/materials from far away lands would be impossible to acquire or identify, the concept of the academic collaboration/review model would seem pointless. Heck good luck building anything even resembling a piece of modern scientific equipment over the course of a lifetime. Even if you did you would be all alone in figure out how to use it. Though none of that would interest you because you likely would be too focused on survival, unfamiliar with anything you hadn't personally experienced, and without any way to compile, compute, or transfer knowledge to future generations. So science, "real" or "social" would seem like a total waste, and in the just another thing distracting you from the next meal. Luckily some early humans understood what you do not. Thank them everytime you do anything that you wouldn't see your dog do.
He should have said almost nobody, which is pretty true. But I'm quite happy with my LG Quantum first gen WP7.5 phone even if others aren't going WP in droves.
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I like your idea, but it would never fly as more than a very niche product for people like us. Nobody will ship a mainstream successful phone that doesn't have a unified interface. It's suicide to expect the average smartphone user to understand, much less make use of 2 different totally different ways of operating their "phone". And that is assuming it is seamless and doesn't need to be messed with when one wants to transition. I trust Google and Apple to perhaps be able to nail that part, but even if it really is automagical it will still confused the shit out of most users. Sure the pitch might sell a few of them for the cool factor and geeks will love it, but most people are barely able to use their smartphones as it is beyond installing apps and opening emails. Look at desktop PC users and you will know what I mean. Windows is old as sin by now but it still is mostly a mystery to the average user who uses it almost every day. I think the Moto Atrix was an attempt at what you are talking about, but I never really followed it after hearing about all the drama the software/ROM had. I'd be curious is others have tried this and what the resulting products were like.
Dude, whoooshh! I'm pretty sure he was talking in jest.
and written up by the dedicated hacks over at NetworkWorld. Too bad for them they could only span it over to measly pages. Think of all the advertising dollars wasted.
I never trusted pilots! I just wasn't sure why, but everybody who told me I was a loony can go suck a bag of dicks. I mean think about it who else flies planes? Terrorists on 9/11 thats who! Why is nobody in the liberal media is reporting this connection? I mean think about it, they say they lock the cabin door for their own safety but what are they hiding? A mosque? WMD's? I think we have a right to know who these so called "Captains" really are. I know this is a lot to take in, but somebody has to speak the truth. Sometimes you just have to have faith that if an idea doesn't seem to make any sense or be based in anything rational then it must have been put in your head by God. Where else could it come from? And if God is putting super smart ideas in my head then everybody better just pay attention to every word I have to say or risk eternal damnation. I mean I prefer Coke to Pepsi, is that because God told me to? Why risk it, best to stock up on Coke. I mean you could chance it, but that's a pretty big gamble to take. If any of this doesn't make sense to you it just proves how liberals and their heathen worldly "education" can poison the pure childlike mind required to accept The Truth without question. Now I command you all to buy my forthcoming book where I reveal even more of His Word exclusively for the special introductory price of $29.99. End times are right around the corner so better buy now.
Not trying to troll or anything, but despite a casual interest in Mozilla and mobile OS's and being an avid desktop FF user I had no clue it was out of beta. No doubt I missed a post or two, but considering I use FF Mozilla's top product and am often sent to their site to report bugs I really think they should fire their marketing people. Breaking into mobile is hard. If a guy who has been using FF since it was still called Phoenix isn't aware you put out a final product I would venture to guess the people who just stopped clicking the big blue E on their desktop are not likely to be coming out in droves. Something has gone seriously wrong at Mozilla over the last few years and this is just another example.
You are right that in some cases the options are wide and require effort to investigate. In that case I weigh the productivity loss of looking into it further, if it is a minor feature or something I only use rarely I have no shame in letting inertia keep me on what I'm used to. I rarely use a painting program on my PC but every now and then I need it for some random thing I just keep using what I'm used to without worrying too much about missing out on something a tad better. My OS's on the otherhand are very well researched, and in a hypothetical world where there was a $1000 one that vastly increased what I could get done and still run my software I would buy it in a minute. Cost is certainly a factor, but unless you have a philosophical belief in only using free solutions you are not really looking at the big picture. Had a friend who does quite a bit of Photoshoping try and go GIMP because it was OSS. I wished him best of luck, Adobe blows- but he was back in a week. In the end his enthusiasm for all of the great qualities of open software simply weren't enough to deal with a not very good product (according to him).
I'm not afraid to admit I use a quite of commercial software and have been quite happy with many products out there. Yes even a few MS ones. But as a person with a functioning brain and an interest in productivity you can bet your ass every time I'm looking at an upgrade I take a moment to survey the options. Often over the course of a major version upgrade cycle I learn that a cheaper or if I'm lucky an OSS solution has become viable for my needs. Any time I see an organization act outside of that simple principle I can suspect only one of two things and neither are good. I usually hope it's just narrow minded ignorance, which with luck can sometimes be cured, but when you lock people into a paid-for only solution it usually ends up being bribery of some sort. Governments are in the end just made up of people, and like in the corporate world the decision makers are often the most selfcentered people in the land. Add to that despite using and recommending certain MS programs and services I have little doubt in my mind that MS is one of the most unethical technology companies in the world- it's how they got where they are.
This. MyFordTouch 2012 (Powered by MS) car owner here in full agreement. I get angry every time I see an ad touting this hellish "feature". Other brand's seem comparably nearly as bad.
Wow, did a quick Google and learned a lot about this infamous sound-check. Reagan... really seems like a fool. Was just a little tyke at the time but the more I hear the less I like the man.
Oh I think value will be lost. We're already seeing it in the disintegration of the Xbox brand globally. Now kindly fuck off troll. Cheers!
I bought a Nook HD+ (9in) 2 weeks ago and it is a great value. For a consumption device it is a hacker's dream at that price. Custom ROMs really make it a great device. But it is not a desktop or notebook PC. And only a fool or a media consumption only user would feel they are equivalent.
Good! I've never been against porting to any platform that gives a dev more potential customers; Until the X1. Fuck those assholes for what they tried(and nearly succeeded) to do. We won't forget and my 360 is the last Xbox I will ever buy.
To be fair Apple took the same stance pre-Appstore, and they managed to build a healthy ecosystem.
I'm not a tinfoil hat type who won't touch GMO because of any silly number of silly new age concerns or paranoid fantasies. But, that doesn't mean people don't have aright to know what they eat. Sure labeling won't solve problems like in TFA, but anything additional that informs consumers is a good thing. And knowing the potential pitfalls of different food choices should be a right. The current inability of shoppers in the US to know what foods are GMO means consumers have no choice. It also leads to suspicion and support to the luddite part of the anti-GMO crowd.
Labeling is the first step to educating the public on GMOs and what they provides as well as potential impacts worldwide from GMO such as increased yield (with less chemicals) on one hand, and things like genetic diversity concerns and the role of seed/pesticide suppliers and patents on the other. The reason labeling here is so opposed by the industry isn't because of some conspiracy or concern that customers will decide to stop eating their product, or radically change their diet. Americans have known what we eat and its volume are deadly and McDonalds hasn't been shut down.
Instead the reason behind non-labeling is to keep the status quo, labels on food mean questions, questions lead to competing information and the rise of the conspiracy theorist. Not having to label is just the path of least resistance. But keeping a few loud mouth idiots quiet isn't a good reason to not engage honestly with the public about a very profound change in the way we produce food, and quality to support a growing population.
To be fair, I don't believe there is a jailbreak for iOS6 or any of the new iDevices. So I imagine that number must have gone down. Of course the general gist of what you say is accurate. If WP8 gains any relevance at all I expect them to be in the same boat Apple and Google are in.
I really hope Nokia realized that when they sold their soul to MS they don't get to say what they want anymore. They are tied to a much stronger company, who literally controls their only chance at having any relevance in smartphones. When they had options, and in-house OS production they might have been able to say what they wanted, and risk souring one of many relationships. Now it's all the eggs in one place, with a company not known for treating even perfect partners with an ounce of respect.
I believe the setting you are referring to was only in the pre 6.0 betas. I can't remember what it was called. I assume it was removed because of issues like this. But perhaps only the toggle was removed?
Very true about GMaps being awkward vs native app. But did you ever use the older YouTube app? It was fucking horrible, featureless, HD-challanged, slow as all hell. The new Google provided one is so much better, and even the web interface was miles ahead for literally years. The other benefit for iOS users is one less uninstallable app. But Apple should have let people do that from the start.
I seriously almost fucking died from choking on my lunch reading this. Cheers!
Perhaps it's limited to phones at the moment? Surprised to see the Android version beat iOS considering MS has supported iOS much more in the past.
Oh come on Alien Being, quit being so politically correct and tell us how you really feel!
Wow, despite the stereotype you peddle to the angry at the world basement dweller *portion* of Slashdot, these same social scientists you mock include most of the founders of any significant human civilization and the documentors/philosophers of high level thinking; which I'm told is something required even to do even "real" science. Heck many of them were "real" scientists as well and not just wimpy philosophy space wasters. Back when people were only considered wise if they valued both understanding the physical and the metaphysical. These beta test scientists understood silly things like maintaining analyzing history, being able to speak/write coherently, and many other social innovations were key to a society where ""real" science could be performed. These proto-social scientists found patterns and themes in history, created structured language, documented things, and otherwise enabled the wide spread acceptance and clear reasoning for the social contract distinguishing humans from other animals through mutual generational information transfer. This is what makes us able to understand the value of interaction over pure instinct and creates an environment where experiments and science can exist. Humans didn't do much of anything to progress up until this point. Before all this a lab would have been pointless and useless, specimens/materials from far away lands would be impossible to acquire or identify, the concept of the academic collaboration/review model would seem pointless. Heck good luck building anything even resembling a piece of modern scientific equipment over the course of a lifetime. Even if you did you would be all alone in figure out how to use it. Though none of that would interest you because you likely would be too focused on survival, unfamiliar with anything you hadn't personally experienced, and without any way to compile, compute, or transfer knowledge to future generations. So science, "real" or "social" would seem like a total waste, and in the just another thing distracting you from the next meal. Luckily some early humans understood what you do not. Thank them everytime you do anything that you wouldn't see your dog do.
He should have said almost nobody, which is pretty true. But I'm quite happy with my LG Quantum first gen WP7.5 phone even if others aren't going WP in droves.
You can always use bootcamp if need-be.
Are you a pathological liar, or just a off the meds today?