It really doesn't matter if government uses OSS or not, they invent the money from thin air. Cost is of no concern to them so long as their money is backed by their ability to take ours.
I'm worried that government is drinking the Vista security Koolaid and may allow Microsoft to do something like forcing hardware manufactures to include chips that only run software approved by Microsoft on Windows.. in the name of security that is. Microsoft does have people on the take in DHS.
IMHO any government at all is a bad thing tho.. so I could care less what they do so long as they aren't pointing guns at me.
DHS Bureaucrat: "In the interest of national security (and the children) We here by declare that it's now a federal crime for anyone to connect to an administrative c$ share!"
Yeah, Sun, OpenBSD, FreeBSD and yes, even Red Hat (and the stupid SELinux patches) are far more secure. There is a reason the military uses Solaris 8 for secrets of national security.. its because its rock solid.
The problem with Microsoft and Apple is they don't understand security, that is.. by its nature its a hassle.. its easy to just get on the plane.. its secure to be held up, stopped and searched. You can't have that in a "it just works OS." For home users who don't know what it means when you see an important security warning message (like "MAC Address of Gateway has changed.") I think Apple does a pretty good job, I wouldn't serve didily on it though.
One big thing that Linux vendors should do is OFF BY DEFAULT services.. but then.. it couldn't "just work" if we did that...:: rolls eyes::
Windows - 39, 12 severe, average 21 day fix Mac - 49, 1 severe, average 66 day fix Red Hat - 208, 2 severe, average 13 day fix
I know that Red Hat is patching more than just the OS, we are talking about people who patch little things like gaim or libfoo.so (microsoft still hasn't patched Office since Feb. http://research.eeye.com/html/alerts/zeroday/20070 209.html
Wow, I don't care what they claim in the report. Hats off to Red Hat!
Ya know, after we take over the country and re-enshrine our rights in better, stronger wording than the original bill of rights.. free the people of this nation, return states rights, end the wars, and limit the feds to.. just about managing the *entire* post office (but not quite)..
Anyhow after all that, I think I may want to keep the current politicians around.. we can make a new office for them.. "The US House of Bitches" It's an elected positions where you must choose one of two powerless kneejerk parties. The Democrazies or The Repulunatics.. The use for this will be for our own entertainment, to make many pointless non-binding resolutions.. also to make crazy statements like "We need more DRM port security for the state of Montana to protect our children from the Dangers of Global Warming on Mars!" and acquisition of the highest office (Speaker of the Bitches) that will have the power to adjust the price of stamps $0.01 every 10 years (up or down)
Ohh, we could have and office called Minority Whelp Bitch also..:)
"Congress must make clear * Laws." As we all know they can't make them simple enough for the average man to read.. they might actually *understand* them:: gasp:: !
Kinda reminds me of the Constitution where it says "Congress shall pass no law.. "..and ya know, they should have ended that sentence right there..
..And the Techno scene is.. oh yeah the majors don't have anything to do with them anyhow and never did because they couldn't make a producer into a star (except one that sucks, Moby)... but anyhow.. the little labels they are doing fine.
You might all disagree with me but really I say let them tank. The major labels put out the worst absolute low grade crappy music (look at the stars on the top 10. Justin Timberlake, Jay-Z Britney Spears, Fergie, Gym Class Heroes etc..) You can barley call it music.. Where as if you are a talented group that *IS* actually signed to a major label they pay them squat because they are too busy giving all there money to Justin Timberlake and the RIAA this is on top of the fact that they are lobbying to get laws passed to protect this trash from 'so called' pirates.
I am thrilled to death today that people decided not to buy there products.. its long overdue.
Well, what your saying is actually the cause. The reason we allow them to do this is because we believe that you have a right to conduct business any way you see fit within legal limits. The fact that its also profitable is just clear sign that the free market works. The ISP's should stand up and say "Yes we do offer higher speeds to more wealthy areas and we are going to continue to do this until the poorer areas can afford our services." instead of hiding behind the stupid reasons they are giving.
I don't see this as being different than wanting to build a shop on nice downtown real estate rather than the ghetto slums.
I hate how some people today think there is something wrong with making money.
Well, if you can prove that cars are a problem to your air, you can sue right now. The problem is proof.. that's actually a huge problem in the global warming circle. (personally I don't think anything will change till the average Joe can see an impact on their own lives anyhow but.. 'nother topic) Instead of all the idiotic things they do (IE: ramming a whaling ship) Greenpeace could spend its money to buy land then protect it as private property. Maybe they could develop clean energy (wind / solar) on it as well and sell it. The free market does have answers to problems people would not expect it to.
I don't know how bad things were before "regulations" I grew up in Montana and from what I can tell the mining waste that was there 100 years ago is STILL there.. Government has not made the land owners clean it nor have they cleaned it themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Smelter_Stac k - still has no trees in 200 miles of it.. (some time back they did put a golf course on the tons upon tons of ash and waste.. to hide it.)
I believe those who would use force on other men, to be the root evil of all recorded time and I believe that governments impose only force on others, as they have no other tool at their command.. I know where the Libertarians stand on this.. and if I had to choose between small government and no government I would take either just as well. Though I do not believe in the concept of government, as the founding fathers said it may be a necessary evil.. I don't know really but we have a LONG way to go to get either limited or no government in this country.
Move towards the center.. I'm down. Ron Paul in 08.:)
Well. we could pass a law against it based solely on the fact that you don't "like" Wal-Mart.. I totally see your logic, lets make Wal-Mart illegal.
They don't actually need to do something wrong, or break any laws, they just need to be a successful corporation, with lots of large ugly stores, full of cheep products, and staffed by low income workers. (who do better there than some other jobs.) That's reason enough right?
We should force all stores to be local stores with high prices and limited goods.. this preserves the image of America. We should not try to do things better.
We can also force the lumber industry to start using axes again because if they have better, faster, methods then they will use them and become too successful. Think of all the jobs this will provide, just on making enough lumber for a single house. (and never mind the cost..)
Handy capping business rules, its good for everyone.
Well its more of an Anarcho-capitalist idea but.. Why again do we need environmental regulation? If private people owned the land then they could sue when someone polluted their land, this makes regulation unnecessary. Actually its government regulating *its* land. (as it must claim to reserve rights over it in order to control it.) On top of all of that.. government is actually exempt from a lot of environmental laws.
Nuclear power plant owners were told from the feds that they would take the waste and dispose of it for them. In fact, they were told that they did not own the waste at all and it was illegal to dispose of it by any other means. They must turn the waste over to the government. This is still true today, yet the feds have not *actually* taken the possession of ANY of the waste. Its stored on site in most plants. The nuclear utilities have been paying the feds for storage to the tune of $8 billion dollars since 1980 even though not a single scrap of waste has been stored by the government. You see what a kick ass job the government does in the environmental protection role.
As for the money required to enter.. say the.. airline business.. it is very very high, but as others have proved its not out of reach.
It is an improvement, as it gets more stuff to people faster and cheeper than ever before. Nothing wrong with Wal-Mart they just do the box store thing better, someday they too will be gone.. maybe Amazon will put them out...and Kodak another massive monopoly was replaced by.. an even larger monopoly? no.. cheep digital cameras that were created without government intervention.
Thats how Iso Hunt has been fighting the RIAA and MPAA.
>> Read above. According to normal procedures of DMCA takedown, it is your responsibility to identify what maybe infringing your copyright, and >> then we will comply. Your notion that we should know every title MPAA owns, while you have difficulty producing such yourself, is absurd. >> Links to websites such as imdb.com is user submitted, while torrent links may be user submitted or indexed from other sources on the internet. >> We do not moderate this process, we don't have the resource to do so and it is not our policy.
They are being sued but so far so good, they have been online for about 4 years now. I don't see why a group as large as Google can't just remove content when Viacom informs them of it.
This mentality burns me up. Government is not the solution to every problem. Yes, corporations are wrong for bribing government.. but they couldn't do it AT ALL if government had no power to control business in the first place.
Well I disagree with you, and I'll just simply say that I'll take less or no government control over more better and new and improved control any day.
If end result is always monopoly why is something as massive as K-Mart almost history now? Something came along that was better and the monopoly disappeared overnight. Same thing would happen to AT&T.. if they start charging $30 per minute, people will move en-mass to something else. Freedom ensures choice.
Well those of us who actually know how to make Linux cheep, know this is false.. trouble is we are going to be hearing this quote for a long time now..:-(
You blame corporations and cite government as the solution to the problem but in reality it is government's involvement in business that creates a need to incorporate in the first place. We don't need more government control of business, we need less. What we want is to create an environment where "real people" control their own business and not fictional unethical money making monstrosities.
There is a few things wrong with this technically but actually the legal aspects are even more interesting.
Who is hurt from pornography? Kids? Ya really think so? The only kids that want to see this are the 14, 15, and 16 year olds who jack off to the JC Penny's underwear catalogs. If you deny them from looking at porn.. what exactly are you protecting them from? Besides all of this, it won't work, young kids have been stealing their dads pornos long long before the net was around.
I don't like laws that try to force morality on people.. even the youngest citizens..
Yeah, I like the posts that say Gnome is "catching up" to KDE.. guys its not a race. There is a reason most distros default to gnome, (well a few but the big one is) Usability. Having used all major releases of KDE.. (and praticaly everything else too) I can say that I like KDE. There is nothing really wrong with KDE, but its not as usable. Gnome is just easier to use and I dont mean easier as I'm a computer novice and cant figure out KDE (although it is).. I mean its easier for a computer expert who does not want to have to spend 3 hours configuring his desktop so it operates as it should. People who want to *play with* their computer use KDE. People who want to work use Gnome.
Even if Gnome didn't exist I dont think I would use KDE, I think maybe I would go for Fluxbox instead.
I don't believe a government can remove a right from someone.. they didn't make them, they cant remove them.. they can just deny them the ability to exercise it. They can infringe upon them and threaten you if you use them.. but your rights exist outside the boundaries of any government.
Thats absolutly right, ibelieve things like eating or smoking while driving have come up before also.
Could they add mutable charges?
"You are facing charges of.. Texting while driving. You had a empty fast food bag in the car so thats eating while driving. We discovred a cigarette butt in your car. Smoking while driving. Falure to carry a trashbag in your automobile. (This is law in WA) We were able to tell from our Real_ID records that you recieved a phone call in your car today. There is a fine for that.. 5 accounts each of.. Reckless driving. Careless driving. and driving while distracted...AND:: gasp:: building a campfire in your passenger seat!..the chair is TOO good for you! May god have mercy on your soul."
I know its absurd.. but really.. is that where we are headed?
Government cant protect freedom. They can only take freedom away.
Government does not, and can not create rights, rights do not come from them. Without being too religious, our rights come from our property.. sine we own our bodies and our lives (that come from a god or w/e you believe.) We may choose what to do with that body or life. Just as you have the freedom to decide what to do with other things you own.
Government can only create permissions.
They allow people to own a business via a business license. However you are not free to do so because the government can remove your permission.
In this country today you need permission in the form of a permit or license to do just about anything.
beyond this..
There is no such thing as a "limited" or "shared" right. You don't have permission to speak "sometimes" you always possess this right and it never goes away. Many deny this and a classic example of the argument is "You don't have a right to yell fire in a crowded theater". This is false. You very much have a right to do so and if there actually is a fire it may even be a good idea to yell "FIRE!" What you do not have a right to do is to injure other people.. since people may get hurt by your actions you are responsible for them.
Rights and Permission are the opposite of each other. One is freedom the other is control.
Oh I'm a Libertarian, you dont need to tell me about it.
Regan just said a few things that were right thats all.. I think in diffrent times, he may have been a very good president.. I can think of worse *cough*bush*clinton*cough*
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It really doesn't matter if government uses OSS or not, they invent the money from thin air. Cost is of no concern to them so long as their money is backed by their ability to take ours.
I'm worried that government is drinking the Vista security Koolaid and may allow Microsoft to do something like forcing hardware manufactures to include chips that only run software approved by Microsoft on Windows.. in the name of security that is. Microsoft does have people on the take in DHS.
IMHO any government at all is a bad thing tho.. so I could care less what they do so long as they aren't pointing guns at me.
Yeah... Cept with government they have guns.
DHS Bureaucrat: "In the interest of national security (and the children) We here by declare that it's now a federal crime for anyone to connect to an administrative c$ share!"
Maybe Symantec made a deal with MS on Vista.. You report that Windows is "The most secure OS(tm)" and We will not put you out of business.
After a little cool off time.. out comes the report.
Yeah, Sun, OpenBSD, FreeBSD and yes, even Red Hat (and the stupid SELinux patches) are far more secure. There is a reason the military uses Solaris 8 for secrets of national security.. its because its rock solid.
:: rolls eyes ::
The problem with Microsoft and Apple is they don't understand security, that is.. by its nature its a hassle.. its easy to just get on the plane.. its secure to be held up, stopped and searched. You can't have that in a "it just works OS." For home users who don't know what it means when you see an important security warning message (like "MAC Address of Gateway has changed.") I think Apple does a pretty good job, I wouldn't serve didily on it though.
One big thing that Linux vendors should do is OFF BY DEFAULT services.. but then.. it couldn't "just work" if we did that...
Windows - 39, 12 severe, average 21 day fix
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Mac - 49, 1 severe, average 66 day fix
Red Hat - 208, 2 severe, average 13 day fix
I know that Red Hat is patching more than just the OS, we are talking about people who patch little things like gaim or libfoo.so (microsoft still hasn't patched Office since Feb. http://research.eeye.com/html/alerts/zeroday/2007
Wow, I don't care what they claim in the report. Hats off to Red Hat!
Ya know, after we take over the country and re-enshrine our rights in better, stronger wording than the original bill of rights.. free the people of this nation, return states rights, end the wars, and limit the feds to.. just about managing the *entire* post office (but not quite)..
:)
Anyhow after all that, I think I may want to keep the current politicians around.. we can make a new office for them.. "The US House of Bitches" It's an elected positions where you must choose one of two powerless kneejerk parties. The Democrazies or The Repulunatics.. The use for this will be for our own entertainment, to make many pointless non-binding resolutions.. also to make crazy statements like "We need more DRM port security for the state of Montana to protect our children from the Dangers of Global Warming on Mars!" and acquisition of the highest office (Speaker of the Bitches) that will have the power to adjust the price of stamps $0.01 every 10 years (up or down)
Ohh, we could have and office called Minority Whelp Bitch also..
Know whats funnier?
:: gasp :: !
..and ya know, they should have ended that sentence right there..
"Congress must make clear * Laws." As we all know they can't make them simple enough for the average man to read.. they might actually *understand* them
Kinda reminds me of the Constitution where it says "Congress shall pass no law.. "
..And the Techno scene is.. oh yeah the majors don't have anything to do with them anyhow and never did because they couldn't make a producer into a star (except one that sucks, Moby)... but anyhow.. the little labels they are doing fine.
You might all disagree with me but really I say let them tank. The major labels put out the worst absolute low grade crappy music (look at the stars on the top 10. Justin Timberlake, Jay-Z Britney Spears, Fergie, Gym Class Heroes etc..) You can barley call it music.. Where as if you are a talented group that *IS* actually signed to a major label they pay them squat because they are too busy giving all there money to Justin Timberlake and the RIAA this is on top of the fact that they are lobbying to get laws passed to protect this trash from 'so called' pirates.
I am thrilled to death today that people decided not to buy there products.. its long overdue.
Well, what your saying is actually the cause. The reason we allow them to do this is because we believe that you have a right to conduct business any way you see fit within legal limits. The fact that its also profitable is just clear sign that the free market works. The ISP's should stand up and say "Yes we do offer higher speeds to more wealthy areas and we are going to continue to do this until the poorer areas can afford our services." instead of hiding behind the stupid reasons they are giving.
I don't see this as being different than wanting to build a shop on nice downtown real estate rather than the ghetto slums.
I hate how some people today think there is something wrong with making money.
Well, if you can prove that cars are a problem to your air, you can sue right now. The problem is proof.. that's actually a huge problem in the global warming circle. (personally I don't think anything will change till the average Joe can see an impact on their own lives anyhow but.. 'nother topic) Instead of all the idiotic things they do (IE: ramming a whaling ship) Greenpeace could spend its money to buy land then protect it as private property. Maybe they could develop clean energy (wind / solar) on it as well and sell it. The free market does have answers to problems people would not expect it to.
c k - still has no trees in 200 miles of it.. (some time back they did put a golf course on the tons upon tons of ash and waste.. to hide it.)
:)
I don't know how bad things were before "regulations" I grew up in Montana and from what I can tell the mining waste that was there 100 years ago is STILL there.. Government has not made the land owners clean it nor have they cleaned it themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Pit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaconda_Smelter_Sta
I believe those who would use force on other men, to be the root evil of all recorded time and I believe that governments impose only force on others, as they have no other tool at their command.. I know where the Libertarians stand on this.. and if I had to choose between small government and no government I would take either just as well. Though I do not believe in the concept of government, as the founding fathers said it may be a necessary evil.. I don't know really but we have a LONG way to go to get either limited or no government in this country.
Move towards the center.. I'm down. Ron Paul in 08.
Well. we could pass a law against it based solely on the fact that you don't "like" Wal-Mart.. I totally see your logic, lets make Wal-Mart illegal.
They don't actually need to do something wrong, or break any laws, they just need to be a successful corporation, with lots of large ugly stores, full of cheep products, and staffed by low income workers. (who do better there than some other jobs.) That's reason enough right?
We should force all stores to be local stores with high prices and limited goods.. this preserves the image of America. We should not try to do things better.
We can also force the lumber industry to start using axes again because if they have better, faster, methods then they will use them and become too successful. Think of all the jobs this will provide, just on making enough lumber for a single house. (and never mind the cost..)
Handy capping business rules, its good for everyone.
Well its more of an Anarcho-capitalist idea but.. Why again do we need environmental regulation? If private people owned the land then they could sue when someone polluted their land, this makes regulation unnecessary. Actually its government regulating *its* land. (as it must claim to reserve rights over it in order to control it.) On top of all of that.. government is actually exempt from a lot of environmental laws.
Nuclear power plant owners were told from the feds that they would take the waste and dispose of it for them. In fact, they were told that they did not own the waste at all and it was illegal to dispose of it by any other means. They must turn the waste over to the government. This is still true today, yet the feds have not *actually* taken the possession of ANY of the waste. Its stored on site in most plants. The nuclear utilities have been paying the feds for storage to the tune of $8 billion dollars since 1980 even though not a single scrap of waste has been stored by the government. You see what a kick ass job the government does in the environmental protection role.
As for the money required to enter.. say the.. airline business.. it is very very high, but as others have proved its not out of reach.
It is an improvement, as it gets more stuff to people faster and cheeper than ever before. Nothing wrong with Wal-Mart they just do the box store thing better, someday they too will be gone.. maybe Amazon will put them out. ..and Kodak another massive monopoly was replaced by.. an even larger monopoly? no.. cheep digital cameras that were created without government intervention.
Thats how Iso Hunt has been fighting the RIAA and MPAA.
>> Read above. According to normal procedures of DMCA takedown, it is your responsibility to identify what maybe infringing your copyright, and
>> then we will comply. Your notion that we should know every title MPAA owns, while you have difficulty producing such yourself, is absurd.
>> Links to websites such as imdb.com is user submitted, while torrent links may be user submitted or indexed from other sources on the internet.
>> We do not moderate this process, we don't have the resource to do so and it is not our policy.
They are being sued but so far so good, they have been online for about 4 years now. I don't see why a group as large as Google can't just remove content when Viacom informs them of it.
This mentality burns me up. Government is not the solution to every problem. Yes, corporations are wrong for bribing government.. but they couldn't do it AT ALL if government had no power to control business in the first place.
Well I disagree with you, and I'll just simply say that I'll take less or no government control over more better and new and improved control any day.
If end result is always monopoly why is something as massive as K-Mart almost history now? Something came along that was better and the monopoly disappeared overnight. Same thing would happen to AT&T.. if they start charging $30 per minute, people will move en-mass to something else. Freedom ensures choice.
Well those of us who actually know how to make Linux cheep, know this is false.. trouble is we are going to be hearing this quote for a long time now.. :-(
You blame corporations and cite government as the solution to the problem but in reality it is government's involvement in business that creates a need to incorporate in the first place. We don't need more government control of business, we need less. What we want is to create an environment where "real people" control their own business and not fictional unethical money making monstrosities.
There is a few things wrong with this technically but actually the legal aspects are even more interesting.
Who is hurt from pornography? Kids? Ya really think so? The only kids that want to see this are the 14, 15, and 16 year olds who jack off to the JC Penny's underwear catalogs. If you deny them from looking at porn.. what exactly are you protecting them from? Besides all of this, it won't work, young kids have been stealing their dads pornos long long before the net was around.
I don't like laws that try to force morality on people.. even the youngest citizens..
Yeah, I like the posts that say Gnome is "catching up" to KDE.. guys its not a race. There is a reason most distros default to gnome, (well a few but the big one is) Usability. Having used all major releases of KDE.. (and praticaly everything else too) I can say that I like KDE. There is nothing really wrong with KDE, but its not as usable. Gnome is just easier to use and I dont mean easier as I'm a computer novice and cant figure out KDE (although it is).. I mean its easier for a computer expert who does not want to have to spend 3 hours configuring his desktop so it operates as it should. People who want to *play with* their computer use KDE. People who want to work use Gnome.
Even if Gnome didn't exist I dont think I would use KDE, I think maybe I would go for Fluxbox instead.
I don't believe a government can remove a right from someone.. they didn't make them, they cant remove them.. they can just deny them the ability to exercise it. They can infringe upon them and threaten you if you use them.. but your rights exist outside the boundaries of any government.
Thats absolutly right, ibelieve things like eating or smoking while driving have come up before also.
..AND :: gasp :: building a campfire in your passenger seat! ..the chair is TOO good for you! May god have mercy on your soul."
Could they add mutable charges?
"You are facing charges of..
Texting while driving.
You had a empty fast food bag in the car so thats eating while driving.
We discovred a cigarette butt in your car. Smoking while driving.
Falure to carry a trashbag in your automobile. (This is law in WA)
We were able to tell from our Real_ID records that you recieved a phone call in your car today. There is a fine for that..
5 accounts each of..
Reckless driving.
Careless driving.
and driving while distracted.
I know its absurd.. but really.. is that where we are headed?
Government cant protect freedom. They can only take freedom away.
Government does not, and can not create rights, rights do not come from them. Without being too religious, our rights come from our property.. sine we own our bodies and our lives (that come from a god or w/e you believe.) We may choose what to do with that body or life. Just as you have the freedom to decide what to do with other things you own.
Government can only create permissions.
They allow people to own a business via a business license. However you are not free to do so because the government can remove your permission.
In this country today you need permission in the form of a permit or license to do just about anything.
beyond this..
There is no such thing as a "limited" or "shared" right. You don't have permission to speak "sometimes" you always possess this right and it never goes away. Many deny this and a classic example of the argument is "You don't have a right to yell fire in a crowded theater". This is false. You very much have a right to do so and if there actually is a fire it may even be a good idea to yell "FIRE!" What you do not have a right to do is to injure other people.. since people may get hurt by your actions you are responsible for them.
Rights and Permission are the opposite of each other. One is freedom the other is control.
Oh I'm a Libertarian, you dont need to tell me about it.
Regan just said a few things that were right thats all.. I think in diffrent times, he may have been a very good president.. I can think of worse *cough*bush*clinton*cough*