person reporting on toxicologist conference: "What we are dealing with here is a toxin that leaves no traces in the human body, making it impossible to find out the cause of death."
Dwight: "FALSE! If you make a spectral analysis of ever particle of food and air that enters the body, and store them forever, you will find plenty of evidence for this supposedly undetectable poison!"
I'd say they're both right, in a way. For most real world deployments, it's impossible to find out if they have been compromised by this in the past because they didn't have a packet filter installed, so it's best for them to assume that they have been.
There is "insulting people", and there is responding to someone who said "freetards" with a straight face.
I will say though that sparrows have small brains, too, and rock a lot! So it's not about size, the trick is to slip a finger or two in there as well, to make it seem gigantic.
Between the dictators the US props up and the civilians it kills, and way the military industrial complex robs you blind, how about you OPEN your eyes?
"But I don't need to, it's already obvious!" -- every moron, ever
The idiotic thing is that you think "the US" is a monolith, instead of a bunch of agencies made up by people, with plenty of incentive to use tax payer money for useless or even counterproductive things, like attacking Iraq in response to 9/11, or killing kids with drones. If anything, "The US" isn't in the business of dealing with threats, it's in the business of creating them while talking about mushroom clouds and fucking its own population as it jumps on chairs in fear of imaginary mice; and the population responds with hollow chauvinistic sound bites aimed about other populations to make itself feel better about it. You're pinned to the floor, get fleeced for everything of value you got, and scream "ahhh! sweet victory!" because it's even worse elsewhere. Fucking pathetic.
Yeah yeah, but I didn't ask for "random silly things in the Bible", I asked about a specific silly thing. Substituting other silly things doesn't count.
And you sound like the guy from that Bill Hicks bit... "looks like we got ourselves a reader!" ^^
If someone claimed Hitler was secretly building a throne out of his own boogers, does anyone who asks for evidence, or outright calls bullshit, a fan of Hitler? Fuck no. Likewise, I read both Bible and Quran, and *because* I have serious problems with both I get annoyed when people make up additional stuff because hey, the Bible is stupid anyway, who cares. Yet if someone steals $50 from you, and you claim they stole $100, that kind of makes you a thief as well.
I doubt we'll ever be able to find out every last detail about the universe and prove we have got it right, because we're in it. Now, this is mostly half-knowledge and intuition, I might well be wrong. It's not over until the fat lady packs up the microscope, after all. But if I'm not, then we'll just come full circle and find out that a false story is actually still better than a correct, detailed description which ultimately says nothing, and that Nietzsche had a point there:P
To be fair though, it IS usually technobabble, of the worst kind, too. Not that I think duping people is cool, but pretending that *any* Star Trek actors have some kind of authority to convey when it comes to science just cracks me up.
But that's the thing, both grinding and buying suck -- what about challenging gameplay? Isn't that what makes the rewards actually rewarding? Nowadays AAA titles put incredibly amounts of content into games, and then they want to make sure everybody gets to see all of it, and people want that too, because they paid for it, but it leads to shitty games IMHO.
I got kinda bored with gaming because of all this glorified skinner box stuff, like achievements people "hunt" just so they can tick them off. I might as well go through folders of sounds, textures and models to "consume the content". The way to win that is to not play, and that's kinda sad for me. But then again maybe it's just something one grows out of after a while, and it's not use trying to "fix" that, and trying to tell those who are still having fun with it how they should have fun:P
Okay, I'm not an expert on stone age babies, I was ranting after all. And it's really besides the point: take a human from 5000 years ago, when they were mostly much smaller, and give them *our diet*, raise it with our diversity of things to see and interact with, and blammo, you have yourself a modern baby.
If you don't think things like immunity to disease and dietary patterns or even social structures have an effect on evolution then you haven't a clue what evolution is, and you should quit spreading misinformation as if you are some kind of expert on it
I didn't say it doesn't have *any* influence, of course lack of disease immunity is a huge factor, but that doesn't change anything about those distorted ideas of what evolution supposedly means and wants which piss me off so much. I don't
Furthermore I would say cultures evolve, too (e.g. "memes" before that became to mean captioned cat pics). But that doesn't change the fact that biologically, we're all pretty much the same, our main differences come from habits and culture. Things that can be 100% reprogrammed in a single generation, and therefore are very, very thin ice from which to look down on supposedly primitve tribes.
Yeah yeah, I grant you that you no longer die of the common cold. Good job. If that was all some people were patting themselves on the back for, I would not have posted.
As for "kid's quoting "Mien Kaumph", I don't believe anybody is talking about the Aryian race here.
I said "rephrasing", and with all that talk about how evolution "demands" the stronger wiping out the weaker, it actually does imply that by sheer virtue of being here while others are not, we are some kind of winner.
But I am here to tell you, the only thing you "win" by evolving is that you lose more sophisticated things when you ultimately, inavoidably, go extinct forever. I'm not saying progress is pointless -- otherwise I wouldn't snarl at what I consider to be stupid statements, you know, I would rather welcome them as the decay they represent -- but fuck getting attached to it, and thinking it *really* means anything.... in short, thinking a tree is "better" than a flower, or a galaxy spanning civilization better than a bacterium. This idea of better and worse is not what evolution "demands", it's an utterly human concept. And looking around, I would even guess it's made up in compensation for how laughably weak we've become as individuals to fit into our great civilization which does all the heavy lifting, and increasingly our thinking, for us.
Evolution doesn't achieve a goal, it's just passing the time, and it's not even "using energy" -- differentials even themselves out, and that leads to pretty forms and weird sounds, for a while. Nothing more, but hey, also nothing less.
Aryian, schmaryian, after all that was just pseudo-scientific babble, today we say "modern man" or "western civilization" and stuff like that. It's just as vapid, just as pseudo-scientific, and just as chauvinistic. Much less active and aggressive, sure - but it still contains the seeds of misguided ideas that could motivate less lazy people to do more than just shrug when others die, or crush icky bugs without even trying to fetch a glass and putting them outside, because that'd be just asking too much. Evolution, progress, hahahahaha. Good one. We give up our individual strength to make the machine stronger, is all it is. All for the purpose of the further degeneration of a precious few at the top exploiting the machine. I wish I could hear and bitch about *their* delusions, they ought to be even more infuriation than the ones we have down here at the bottom of the food chain.
Also, I made it my policy to only post on slashdot before having breakfast, so don't take it personally, I just wanna scream into the digital abyss a bit >:[
Wouldn't any cop who is for accountability and against corruption, any cop who has a brain and a conscience and wants to feel good and proud not only of the job they are doing personally, but also of their colleagues, or at least not fucking ashamed, welcome this as a very small price to pay?
And why would I care what the others, those who engage in corruption and abuse of authority, think? They have a service weapon, they can always opt out by blowing out what has to be their equivalent of brain matter.
"Outrageous invasion of privacy", when people regularly get shot by cops showing up out of nowhere, and get invaded with bullets and boots? Cry me a fucking river. Clean up your department, clean up your profession, and then let's talk again about treating cops like they're more than rabid, wiley dogs by default. Likewise, let's cure AIDS first, and then re-consider the viability of people having random sex with without condoms.
If you can't adapt to the current world, then you die.
Heh. There is no singular "current world" outside our tightening sphere of slavery. Also: if you adapt successfully, for a while, you die as well.
But no, evolutionist want to have a kind, caring world, even though their very theory demands the opposite.
What is it with kids these days awkwardly rephrasing Mein Kampf and not even being aware of it? I swear I keep seeing that.
Evolution doesn't "demand" shit, it just is. It doesn't strive towards a certain purpose or zenith, it just wobbles around here and there because it can, because there is energy available to do so, and when it ends, it ends. Yeah, there is competition and fighting, but it's not required for evolution to happen -- all we need is diversity and random stuff happening. And it's actually kinda hard, if not impossible, to get rid of that, and furthermore evolution also laughs at the tiny timeframes you can conceive of, the differences you see.
Where you see a straight line to some kind of goal, it sees you bouncing around local optima, and none of the what any lifeform is doing is distuingishable from anything else if you zoom far out enough. Yet if you zoom in far enough, if you are that lifeform, it always matters. If you zoom in too far, you end up believing what you think matters, matters in general, and that's where unintentional comedy begins.
Last but surely not least: a stone age baby raised by modern parents would behave like any modern child. Most of our supposed progress is not in us, it's in the networks of objects and human relations we amassed; by ourselves, we haven't changed. And 5000 years of progress would disappear in one single generation if it simply ceased to be passed on, you know? Not so for, say, the ability of a bird to fly. Instead of thinking we're hot shit because it feels good to hear us saying that, we should know our place and think for a change, really.
There is a huge span between "coming into contact" and "having to compete for space/food". The animals and plants I see day in and out seem to be generally rather more relaxed than what you are describing -- the option you pretend doesn't even exist, co-existence, is the most common one.
It's all pretty much relative, and ultimately stone age and transcendent energy beings with civilizations spanning the whole universe are exactly the same before the heat death of the universe. Can you tell me the fundamental difference between a bacterium, a dog, a human, or the entirety of human civilization? It's all just a bunch of life, and any hierarchy of value you could propose you made up yourself, self-righteously so.
And actually, it's not like we are much more than toy people from a toy culture -- we can't even make lighters that can be refilled more than a few times because we're too greedy, and right now we have new devices and software on us pushed constantly just to keep us buying, with hardly any meaningful progress and plenty of regression. We're ones to talk, really. It's Dunning-Kruger all the way down -- if we were oh so advanced, maybe cultures we came in contact with would thrive, instead of shrivel up and die?
This bit from "Network" comes to mind:
It's too late, Diana. There's nothing left in you that I can live with. You're one of Howard's humanoids. If I stay with you, I'll be destroyed. Like Howard Beale was destroyed. Like Laureen Hobbs was destroyed. Like everything you and the institution of television touch is destroyed. You're television incarnate, Diana: Indifferent to suffering; insensitive to joy. All of life is reduced to the common rubble of banality. War, murder, death are all the same to you as bottles of beer. And the daily business of life is a corrupt comedy. You even shatter the sensations of time and space into split seconds and instant replays. You're madness, Diana. Virulent madness. And everything you touch dies with you.
it pays for him to string this out as long as the tinfoil-hat* money keeps flowing.
He handed over all he had in one swoop, a long time ago: It's been out of his hands last summer, you ignorant motherfucker.
Also, while you're imagining, also imagine how much work it is to sift through all that material, and that even if it wasn't, publishing everything at once means most of it would get next to no importance. Also notice how there is much more money in apathy/compliance than tinfoil hats, and that NOT reporting on this stuff, or misrepresenting it, is often enough also agenda driven. You act as if the infrastructure for mass surveillance on civilians didn't buy a private jet or ten? Hah.
the only people who do care are those with actual (or future) power who are justifiably afraid that someone will get in and use this info politically
It's not just people who want power who would care: it's also anyone interested in resisting power instead of being an accomplice. Ever heard of The White Rose? Sure they didn't last long, but it was still better than being arrested by their own typewriters. And that you personally cannot imagine that money is not the single most important factor to anyone says a lot more about you than about the state of the world, or the people in it. Stop projecting, and stop trolling a discussion you don't know the first fucking thing about.
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person reporting on toxicologist conference: "What we are dealing with here is a toxin that leaves no traces in the human body, making it impossible to find out the cause of death."
Dwight: "FALSE! If you make a spectral analysis of ever particle of food and air that enters the body, and store them forever, you will find plenty of evidence for this supposedly undetectable poison!"
I'd say they're both right, in a way. For most real world deployments, it's impossible to find out if they have been compromised by this in the past because they didn't have a packet filter installed, so it's best for them to assume that they have been.
There is "insulting people", and there is responding to someone who said "freetards" with a straight face.
I will say though that sparrows have small brains, too, and rock a lot! So it's not about size, the trick is to slip a finger or two in there as well, to make it seem gigantic.
Too soon.
Between the dictators the US props up and the civilians it kills, and way the military industrial complex robs you blind, how about you OPEN your eyes?
"But I don't need to, it's already obvious!" -- every moron, ever
The idiotic thing is that you think "the US" is a monolith, instead of a bunch of agencies made up by people, with plenty of incentive to use tax payer money for useless or even counterproductive things, like attacking Iraq in response to 9/11, or killing kids with drones. If anything, "The US" isn't in the business of dealing with threats, it's in the business of creating them while talking about mushroom clouds and fucking its own population as it jumps on chairs in fear of imaginary mice; and the population responds with hollow chauvinistic sound bites aimed about other populations to make itself feel better about it. You're pinned to the floor, get fleeced for everything of value you got, and scream "ahhh! sweet victory!" because it's even worse elsewhere. Fucking pathetic.
Yeah yeah, but I didn't ask for "random silly things in the Bible", I asked about a specific silly thing. Substituting other silly things doesn't count.
*that make
And you sound like the guy from that Bill Hicks bit... "looks like we got ourselves a reader!" ^^
If someone claimed Hitler was secretly building a throne out of his own boogers, does anyone who asks for evidence, or outright calls bullshit, a fan of Hitler? Fuck no. Likewise, I read both Bible and Quran, and *because* I have serious problems with both I get annoyed when people make up additional stuff because hey, the Bible is stupid anyway, who cares. Yet if someone steals $50 from you, and you claim they stole $100, that kind of makes you a thief as well.
I doubt we'll ever be able to find out every last detail about the universe and prove we have got it right, because we're in it. Now, this is mostly half-knowledge and intuition, I might well be wrong. It's not over until the fat lady packs up the microscope, after all. But if I'm not, then we'll just come full circle and find out that a false story is actually still better than a correct, detailed description which ultimately says nothing, and that Nietzsche had a point there :P
A made up word from what I can tell.
I don't see how those are claiming earth is the center of the universe, "just" that it can't be moved, and that the sun moves around it.
Script: "People used to believe that Earth is at the center of the universe. According to them, god made it so."
Final Cut: "Earth is at the center of the universe. God made it so."
Seems very easy, especially if you get to write the script from which they read.
That's great, but where does it say this planet is the center of the universe?
To be fair though, it IS usually technobabble, of the worst kind, too. Not that I think duping people is cool, but pretending that *any* Star Trek actors have some kind of authority to convey when it comes to science just cracks me up.
But that's the thing, both grinding and buying suck -- what about challenging gameplay? Isn't that what makes the rewards actually rewarding? Nowadays AAA titles put incredibly amounts of content into games, and then they want to make sure everybody gets to see all of it, and people want that too, because they paid for it, but it leads to shitty games IMHO.
I got kinda bored with gaming because of all this glorified skinner box stuff, like achievements people "hunt" just so they can tick them off. I might as well go through folders of sounds, textures and models to "consume the content". The way to win that is to not play, and that's kinda sad for me. But then again maybe it's just something one grows out of after a while, and it's not use trying to "fix" that, and trying to tell those who are still having fun with it how they should have fun :P
Okay, I'm not an expert on stone age babies, I was ranting after all. And it's really besides the point: take a human from 5000 years ago, when they were mostly much smaller, and give them *our diet*, raise it with our diversity of things to see and interact with, and blammo, you have yourself a modern baby.
I didn't say it doesn't have *any* influence, of course lack of disease immunity is a huge factor, but that doesn't change anything about those distorted ideas of what evolution supposedly means and wants which piss me off so much. I don't
Furthermore I would say cultures evolve, too (e.g. "memes" before that became to mean captioned cat pics). But that doesn't change the fact that biologically, we're all pretty much the same, our main differences come from habits and culture. Things that can be 100% reprogrammed in a single generation, and therefore are very, very thin ice from which to look down on supposedly primitve tribes.
Yeah yeah, I grant you that you no longer die of the common cold. Good job. If that was all some people were patting themselves on the back for, I would not have posted.
I said "rephrasing", and with all that talk about how evolution "demands" the stronger wiping out the weaker, it actually does imply that by sheer virtue of being here while others are not, we are some kind of winner.
But I am here to tell you, the only thing you "win" by evolving is that you lose more sophisticated things when you ultimately, inavoidably, go extinct forever. I'm not saying progress is pointless -- otherwise I wouldn't snarl at what I consider to be stupid statements, you know, I would rather welcome them as the decay they represent -- but fuck getting attached to it, and thinking it *really* means anything.... in short, thinking a tree is "better" than a flower, or a galaxy spanning civilization better than a bacterium. This idea of better and worse is not what evolution "demands", it's an utterly human concept. And looking around, I would even guess it's made up in compensation for how laughably weak we've become as individuals to fit into our great civilization which does all the heavy lifting, and increasingly our thinking, for us.
Evolution doesn't achieve a goal, it's just passing the time, and it's not even "using energy" -- differentials even themselves out, and that leads to pretty forms and weird sounds, for a while. Nothing more, but hey, also nothing less.
Aryian, schmaryian, after all that was just pseudo-scientific babble, today we say "modern man" or "western civilization" and stuff like that. It's just as vapid, just as pseudo-scientific, and just as chauvinistic. Much less active and aggressive, sure - but it still contains the seeds of misguided ideas that could motivate less lazy people to do more than just shrug when others die, or crush icky bugs without even trying to fetch a glass and putting them outside, because that'd be just asking too much. Evolution, progress, hahahahaha. Good one. We give up our individual strength to make the machine stronger, is all it is. All for the purpose of the further degeneration of a precious few at the top exploiting the machine. I wish I could hear and bitch about *their* delusions, they ought to be even more infuriation than the ones we have down here at the bottom of the food chain.
Also, I made it my policy to only post on slashdot before having breakfast, so don't take it personally, I just wanna scream into the digital abyss a bit >:[
Yeah, it's sad it has come to this, but, it's not the fault of the public it has.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
Wouldn't any cop who is for accountability and against corruption, any cop who has a brain and a conscience and wants to feel good and proud not only of the job they are doing personally, but also of their colleagues, or at least not fucking ashamed, welcome this as a very small price to pay?
And why would I care what the others, those who engage in corruption and abuse of authority, think? They have a service weapon, they can always opt out by blowing out what has to be their equivalent of brain matter.
"Outrageous invasion of privacy", when people regularly get shot by cops showing up out of nowhere, and get invaded with bullets and boots? Cry me a fucking river. Clean up your department, clean up your profession, and then let's talk again about treating cops like they're more than rabid, wiley dogs by default. Likewise, let's cure AIDS first, and then re-consider the viability of people having random sex with without condoms.
That's not a review, that's just one of those grownups clowning around on youtube for views from little kids :(
Nope, it hasn't. 50 years I could see. But 500 years? Now that's just fantasy.
Heh. There is no singular "current world" outside our tightening sphere of slavery. Also: if you adapt successfully, for a while, you die as well.
What is it with kids these days awkwardly rephrasing Mein Kampf and not even being aware of it? I swear I keep seeing that.
Evolution doesn't "demand" shit, it just is. It doesn't strive towards a certain purpose or zenith, it just wobbles around here and there because it can, because there is energy available to do so, and when it ends, it ends. Yeah, there is competition and fighting, but it's not required for evolution to happen -- all we need is diversity and random stuff happening. And it's actually kinda hard, if not impossible, to get rid of that, and furthermore evolution also laughs at the tiny timeframes you can conceive of, the differences you see.
Where you see a straight line to some kind of goal, it sees you bouncing around local optima, and none of the what any lifeform is doing is distuingishable from anything else if you zoom far out enough. Yet if you zoom in far enough, if you are that lifeform, it always matters. If you zoom in too far, you end up believing what you think matters, matters in general, and that's where unintentional comedy begins.
Last but surely not least: a stone age baby raised by modern parents would behave like any modern child. Most of our supposed progress is not in us, it's in the networks of objects and human relations we amassed; by ourselves, we haven't changed. And 5000 years of progress would disappear in one single generation if it simply ceased to be passed on, you know? Not so for, say, the ability of a bird to fly. Instead of thinking we're hot shit because it feels good to hear us saying that, we should know our place and think for a change, really.
Yeah, those types are just oozing spiritual development.
Like that's not already the case.
There is a huge span between "coming into contact" and "having to compete for space/food". The animals and plants I see day in and out seem to be generally rather more relaxed than what you are describing -- the option you pretend doesn't even exist, co-existence, is the most common one.
It's all pretty much relative, and ultimately stone age and transcendent energy beings with civilizations spanning the whole universe are exactly the same before the heat death of the universe. Can you tell me the fundamental difference between a bacterium, a dog, a human, or the entirety of human civilization? It's all just a bunch of life, and any hierarchy of value you could propose you made up yourself, self-righteously so.
And actually, it's not like we are much more than toy people from a toy culture -- we can't even make lighters that can be refilled more than a few times because we're too greedy, and right now we have new devices and software on us pushed constantly just to keep us buying, with hardly any meaningful progress and plenty of regression. We're ones to talk, really. It's Dunning-Kruger all the way down -- if we were oh so advanced, maybe cultures we came in contact with would thrive, instead of shrivel up and die?
This bit from "Network" comes to mind:
He handed over all he had in one swoop, a long time ago: It's been out of his hands last summer, you ignorant motherfucker.
Also, while you're imagining, also imagine how much work it is to sift through all that material, and that even if it wasn't, publishing everything at once means most of it would get next to no importance. Also notice how there is much more money in apathy/compliance than tinfoil hats, and that NOT reporting on this stuff, or misrepresenting it, is often enough also agenda driven. You act as if the infrastructure for mass surveillance on civilians didn't buy a private jet or ten? Hah.
It's not just people who want power who would care: it's also anyone interested in resisting power instead of being an accomplice. Ever heard of The White Rose? Sure they didn't last long, but it was still better than being arrested by their own typewriters. And that you personally cannot imagine that money is not the single most important factor to anyone says a lot more about you than about the state of the world, or the people in it. Stop projecting, and stop trolling a discussion you don't know the first fucking thing about.
How is pointing out that racism is dumb and incorrect defending genocide? Oh the irony.