I'm not sure how this is funny?
I concede I may be missing something, but very few of my 1500+ servers have access to the internet and those that do are carefully restricted by firewall.
Am I being dense?
That refers specifically to the free Wifi service through the Cloud and BT Openzone and not 3G usage.
This was extensively covered in the media when the original iPhone was released. They tried to put on a fair usage policy, the customer complained. They took it off. Presumably thinking: "fuck it - without tethering they won't use that much data any way."
How was banning a tethering application reasonable?
If providers (like O2 in the UK) were provided with an assurance from Apple that tethering would not be allowed.
And if providers (like O2 in the UK) set up their pricing policy on that assurance.
Under those circumstances, it would be reasonable for Apple to ban a tethering application.
I can't say if that is definitely what has happened.
In the UK, O2 provide unlimited data with no fair usage policy for the iPhone. Every other 3G device they support has data limits and strict fair usage policies.
Best will in the world - you can't use that much data with an iPhone. Start tethering? Let's play.
I'd guess the providers will want to amend agreements with the consumers before they allow tethering.
But you're already sharing it with those with Windows Mobile (and presumably Symbian) smartphones who can share their internet connections with their computers. Hell, you're sharing it with those who have the O2 USB 3G modem. It's not as if iPhone users have their own special 3G network...
The standard O2 'unlimited' web package has a 200MB per month 'fair usage' policy. The iPhone data package is not subject to a 'fair usage' policy and allows unlimited data. This is because all of their iPhone customers complained (and O2 probably realised that it's actually quite hard to use too much data on an iPhone).
So yeah, tether away with your Windows Mobile Device, but you won't be able to do much damage to my online experience with only 200MB to burn. I assume the O2 3G modem packages have higher allowances, but they are still limited.
If an iPhone tethering application is released in the UK, O2 will start enforcing data limits on their iPhone customers. Since I don't have a laptop, you can see why I'm reluctant to join in the demand...?
Sure, you can buy a USB modem and sign up for mobile broadband, but to my knowledge it starts at about £10 a month for 1 GB of usage. The iPhone comes with unlimited data and no 'fair usage' limit.
Not sure what provider you guys are using, but I think you'll find that you are restricted in the data you consume (usually to single digit GB).
The only reason that the iPhone isn't, is because generally speaking, it's pretty hard to use too much with a phone and a browser. Start tethering and it's a different game.
So I want O2 (UK) to think very carefully before allowing tethering and opening up the shared resource to every possible application.
Right now I have unlimited data to my iPhone, but that will be no good to me if the network becomes saturated. (And yes, with an unlimited data plan, some users will run BitTorrent over a tethered connection just because they can.)
Apple's Hokey Cokey with the NetShare application? I can't explain that, but you can see where the conflict lies.
Allow the customers to do whatever they want, or protect the current experience for everyone.
So kind of like an Apple? Do something that everyone raves about, but get put down for it. Sounds fair to me.
I've always wondered what the Microsoft experience would be like if they controlled the hardware in the same model as Apple. This 'experiment' may indicate that it would be better.
Of course, the only people who would object to Microsoft adopting the 'Apple model' for a range of Microsoft high-end PC systems would be every other PC manufacturer in the world...
AT&T are screwing Americans, Rogers are screwing Canadians.
The iPhone 3G doesn't have cut & paste, MMS, replaceable battery or a physical keyboard.
The iPhone camera isn't as good as a number of other camera-phones. Some would say it's outright poor - I've not really ever used by k800i...
Is there anything new to say? Did anyone read the article and find out something new?
Personally, I'm miffed that the white 16GB iPhone aren't available in the UK yet. When they are, I'll get one. The O2 tariffs are not bad, not good. The product offers the best mobile internet experience on a phone that I've seen.
Except that the foundation is investing in an Italian oil company, not Nigerian interests.
I won't pretend to understand the politics of the region, but a little bit of digging shows that not all the people of the Niger Delta are happy. The attacks on Eni (the Italian oil company) by the militant group MEND (Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta) seem to indicate some local dissatisfaction.
The reason they 'only spend 10%' is because they have a endowment to maintain.
I'm not sure anyone is criticising the foundation's financial model, but the LA Times has questioned the nature of the investments that the foundation makes to sustain itself.
There was never a carpet bombing vulnerability in firefox (you would know this if you read the original article about the bug.) I never suggested that there was a "Carpet Bombing" vulnerability in Firefox - I don't know where you got that idea from.
I read the article before I made my first post - your RTFA jibes don't help - I've also read follow up articles.
Rios now claims in a later blog post that he has found three alternative methods to exploit Windows using Safari 3.1.2 and Firefox in conjunction.
However, he admits that the "Carpet Bombing" has been removed from Safari and gives no indications of how the new exploits are achieved.
I'm fast losing interest with the whole issue and I'm not sure I can believe Rios - his buddy McFeters has certainly muddied the waters with his ZDNet posting.
Can't help but feel all this confusion is deliberate.
Your summary for the article is wrong. I'd keep my head down in your position.
Microsoft have not fixed anything. Apple fixed the Safari "Carpet Bomb" issue.
The IE execution issue is still active. Rios is just pointing out that Firefox can also be used to exploit the Safari issue, if the current Safari patch is not deployed.
So just to re-cap: Apple's shitty code is fixed. Microsoft and Mozilla's shitty code needs fixing.
Posting a summary on Slashdot claiming that there is still an unfixed issue in Safari seems a bit like spreading FUD.
From the summary:
Rios is withholding details of the new attack vector until Apple has had time to patch or respond to this issue. From the article:
Mozilla is working on the issue and they've got a responsive team, so I'm sure we'll see a fix soon.
Telling people to RTFA doesn't really help. The Firefox issue that Mozilla is working on CAN be exploited with the now patched Safari "Carpet Bomb" bug.
But that doesn't mean you NEED to use Safari to exploit the Firefox bug. Presumably you can use any method to download a rogue file to the users desktop.
Sometimes you need to do more than RTFA. We're just trying to understand the issue.
Clearly SecureThroughObscure does not. You seem to be over-simplifying as well.
Rios is withholding details of the new attack vector until Apple has had time to patch or respond to this issue.
It wouldn't be the first time I got the wrong end of the stick, but Rios blog seems to suggest that he has discovered a way to use the original "Carpet Bomb" issue with Firefox to steal user data.
He states that Apple have fixed their part, but seems to be saying that he won't reveal the Firefox issue because...
Mozilla is working on the issue and they've got a responsive team, so I'm sure we'll see a fix soon.
So what are Apple supposed to be patching or responding to?
Surely, a fully functional email client makes MMS obsolete? More and more companies offer the ability to send MMS from email.
I've never really used my MMS and when I have, I've had a mix of disappointing result - including the recipient being sent a message telling them to download the MMS from the web.
In my opinion MMS never got off the ground and won't be missed.
You sure? My own Sony Ericsson K750i hasn't got a flash. It's got some naff white LEDs which light up, but they're on continuously - it's definitely not got a conventional, camera-style xenon flash tube. Yep, turns out I've got a K800i. Still my point stands - I can only imagine the K750i is worse...
My Sony Ericsson K750i has taken surprising few photos.
Yes it has a flash, but the photos don't compare well to photos taken from a cheap dedicated digital camera.
To be honest, I hate the ever growing distribution of camera-phones.
I'm fed up with my every (usually drunken) movement being photographed and posted on MyFace by my friends/colleagues/whatever... If I wanted my wife to know what I got up to, I'd bring her along for the evening.
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I'm not sure how this is funny?
I concede I may be missing something, but very few of my 1500+ servers have access to the internet and those that do are carefully restricted by firewall.
Am I being dense?
Wrong - look at the bottom of O2's iPhone page http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paymonthly - "Excessive usage policy and full terms apply"
That refers specifically to the free Wifi service through the Cloud and BT Openzone and not 3G usage.
This was extensively covered in the media when the original iPhone was released. They tried to put on a fair usage policy, the customer complained. They took it off. Presumably thinking: "fuck it - without tethering they won't use that much data any way."
No apologies necessary.
How was banning a tethering application reasonable?
If providers (like O2 in the UK) were provided with an assurance from Apple that tethering would not be allowed.
And if providers (like O2 in the UK) set up their pricing policy on that assurance.
Under those circumstances, it would be reasonable for Apple to ban a tethering application.
I can't say if that is definitely what has happened.
In the UK, O2 provide unlimited data with no fair usage policy for the iPhone. Every other 3G device they support has data limits and strict fair usage policies.
Best will in the world - you can't use that much data with an iPhone. Start tethering? Let's play.
I'd guess the providers will want to amend agreements with the consumers before they allow tethering.
But you're already sharing it with those with Windows Mobile (and presumably Symbian) smartphones who can share their internet connections with their computers. Hell, you're sharing it with those who have the O2 USB 3G modem. It's not as if iPhone users have their own special 3G network...
The standard O2 'unlimited' web package has a 200MB per month 'fair usage' policy. The iPhone data package is not subject to a 'fair usage' policy and allows unlimited data. This is because all of their iPhone customers complained (and O2 probably realised that it's actually quite hard to use too much data on an iPhone).
So yeah, tether away with your Windows Mobile Device, but you won't be able to do much damage to my online experience with only 200MB to burn. I assume the O2 3G modem packages have higher allowances, but they are still limited.
If an iPhone tethering application is released in the UK, O2 will start enforcing data limits on their iPhone customers. Since I don't have a laptop, you can see why I'm reluctant to join in the demand...?
Nokia quote the battery life of the N95 as 3.5 hours talk/data time for 3G and 5 hours for 2G. Is that right?
If so, your N95 is hella-kewl while it lasts.
Of course it's an issue.
Sure, you can buy a USB modem and sign up for mobile broadband, but to my knowledge it starts at about £10 a month for 1 GB of usage. The iPhone comes with unlimited data and no 'fair usage' limit.
Not sure what provider you guys are using, but I think you'll find that you are restricted in the data you consume (usually to single digit GB).
The only reason that the iPhone isn't, is because generally speaking, it's pretty hard to use too much with a phone and a browser. Start tethering and it's a different game.
Or at least that was my understanding.
So I want O2 (UK) to think very carefully before allowing tethering and opening up the shared resource to every possible application.
Right now I have unlimited data to my iPhone, but that will be no good to me if the network becomes saturated. (And yes, with an unlimited data plan, some users will run BitTorrent over a tethered connection just because they can.)
Apple's Hokey Cokey with the NetShare application? I can't explain that, but you can see where the conflict lies.
Allow the customers to do whatever they want, or protect the current experience for everyone.
So kind of like an Apple? Do something that everyone raves about, but get put down for it. Sounds fair to me.
I've always wondered what the Microsoft experience would be like if they controlled the hardware in the same model as Apple. This 'experiment' may indicate that it would be better.
Of course, the only people who would object to Microsoft adopting the 'Apple model' for a range of Microsoft high-end PC systems would be every other PC manufacturer in the world...
So...
AT&T are screwing Americans, Rogers are screwing Canadians.
The iPhone 3G doesn't have cut & paste, MMS, replaceable battery or a physical keyboard.
The iPhone camera isn't as good as a number of other camera-phones. Some would say it's outright poor - I've not really ever used by k800i...
Is there anything new to say? Did anyone read the article and find out something new?
Personally, I'm miffed that the white 16GB iPhone aren't available in the UK yet. When they are, I'll get one. The O2 tariffs are not bad, not good. The product offers the best mobile internet experience on a phone that I've seen.
But it's just a phone, right?
Investing in the third world is a good thing.
Except that the foundation is investing in an Italian oil company, not Nigerian interests.
I won't pretend to understand the politics of the region, but a little bit of digging shows that not all the people of the Niger Delta are happy. The attacks on Eni (the Italian oil company) by the militant group MEND (Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta) seem to indicate some local dissatisfaction.
http://www.africanoiljournal.com/05-09-2007_mend_nigerian_militant_group_attacks_major_oil_pipelines.htm
That kind of cynicism will get you modded through the floor...
The reason they 'only spend 10%' is because they have a endowment to maintain.
I'm not sure anyone is criticising the foundation's financial model, but the LA Times has questioned the nature of the investments that the foundation makes to sustain itself.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?coll=la-home-headlines
I believe the assertion being made is that the foundation's charitable efforts are being sabotaged by its unethical investments.
Have a read of this article from the LA times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?coll=la-home-headlines
I think that's what Stallman is referring to.
Don't know how much is true, but it makes depressing reading.
I read the article before I made my first post - your RTFA jibes don't help - I've also read follow up articles.
Rios now claims in a later blog post that he has found three alternative methods to exploit Windows using Safari 3.1.2 and Firefox in conjunction.
However, he admits that the "Carpet Bombing" has been removed from Safari and gives no indications of how the new exploits are achieved.
I'm fast losing interest with the whole issue and I'm not sure I can believe Rios - his buddy McFeters has certainly muddied the waters with his ZDNet posting.
Can't help but feel all this confusion is deliberate.
Except that NOTHING is clear:
http://xs-sniper.com/blog/
He is saying that the "Carpet Bomb" issue IS fixed, but that he is aware of three other methods to exploit interaction between Safari and Firefox.
He is giving out no details, no work-arounds and no advice on how to protect yourself. It's all a little bit vague.
I'm starting to suspect Shenanigans.
Angry much?
Your summary for the article is wrong. I'd keep my head down in your position.
Microsoft have not fixed anything. Apple fixed the Safari "Carpet Bomb" issue.
The IE execution issue is still active. Rios is just pointing out that Firefox can also be used to exploit the Safari issue, if the current Safari patch is not deployed.
So just to re-cap: Apple's shitty code is fixed. Microsoft and Mozilla's shitty code needs fixing.
Posting a summary on Slashdot claiming that there is still an unfixed issue in Safari seems a bit like spreading FUD.
Rios is withholding details of the new attack vector until Apple has had time to patch or respond to this issue. From the article:
Mozilla is working on the issue and they've got a responsive team, so I'm sure we'll see a fix soon.
Telling people to RTFA doesn't really help. The Firefox issue that Mozilla is working on CAN be exploited with the now patched Safari "Carpet Bomb" bug.
But that doesn't mean you NEED to use Safari to exploit the Firefox bug. Presumably you can use any method to download a rogue file to the users desktop.
Sometimes you need to do more than RTFA. We're just trying to understand the issue.
Clearly SecureThroughObscure does not. You seem to be over-simplifying as well.
I'm not sure that LenE is the only one that has misunderstood it...
I read the blog post as identifying a new way to exploit the original "Carpet Bomb" issue with Firefox instead of IE.
I don't read anything about a new issue in Safari 3.1.2 in Rios's post.
ZDNet are reporting it as a new Apple issue: http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1319
but I'm not sure they're right.
It wouldn't be the first time I got the wrong end of the stick, but Rios blog seems to suggest that he has discovered a way to use the original "Carpet Bomb" issue with Firefox to steal user data.
He states that Apple have fixed their part, but seems to be saying that he won't reveal the Firefox issue because...
Mozilla is working on the issue and they've got a responsive team, so I'm sure we'll see a fix soon.
So what are Apple supposed to be patching or responding to?
Anyone else read the article (that way)?
Yeah, last week my mate spent $200 on a hooker...
Sucker. I can sort myself out for nothing! And now I've got the cash for an iPhone.
Yep, I'm pretty sure you'll still get your friends pictures.
You'll get an SMS message that says "Hey, your friend just sent you an MMS - view it from this webpage..."
You'll click the link on your shiny new iPhone and see the MMS. You won't miss a thing.
(At least that's how most networks in the UK handle MMS messages for users without MMS...)
I don't think that Apple is interested in MMS.
Surely, a fully functional email client makes MMS obsolete? More and more companies offer the ability to send MMS from email.
I've never really used my MMS and when I have, I've had a mix of disappointing result - including the recipient being sent a message telling them to download the MMS from the web.
In my opinion MMS never got off the ground and won't be missed.
It's a good point. Of course you can disable the Wii Connect24 feature and standby consumption goes down to about 1 watt.
Encourage your friends and family to do the same and we'll save the planet!
The PS3 and X360 will continue to draw 2 or 3 watts each in standby, and a whopping 150+ watts when powered on.
They make the Wii's 18 watts seem quite reasonable.
My Sony Ericsson K750i has taken surprising few photos.
Yes it has a flash, but the photos don't compare well to photos taken from a cheap dedicated digital camera.
To be honest, I hate the ever growing distribution of camera-phones.
I'm fed up with my every (usually drunken) movement being photographed and posted on MyFace by my friends/colleagues/whatever... If I wanted my wife to know what I got up to, I'd bring her along for the evening.