Everyone has lots to learn and the instructors here know it. This is not how things have worked elsewhere. At least that's how I've heard some "computer" classes go here in Baton Rouge high schools. The kids are banging around with Slackware and Gentoo, while the teachers try to master Front Page. None of those cluefull kids bother with the class. Other programs, such as the one at Baton Rouge High, let the students loose on a BSD network and let them do what they please. If the program listens to their students, they might all learn something.
We can then hope that industry picks these students up and listens to them. Some companies won't like what the clueful have to say about their software. But every other company in the world needs to hear it.
I think you totally missed the sarcasim in that last posting.
I understood the joke. I also understand a few real downsides to perpetual copyright. Demanding an infinte fee for a perpetual copyright would not balance the system out or promote the useful arts. Demanding a fee simply makes the govenment a pimp to the corrupt business of keeping the public from using information. The author was not serious about the fee, and he poked beautiful fun at the whole thing but not everyone understands what we just exchanged. Thanks for helping me make it clear.
Clarity is hard to find in the tide of astro turf Slashdot is suffering from.
As natural bodies of water and their beaches belong to the public, 100% of beachfront homes are "pirated" if they deny the public access to what's theirs. Softare can be thought of in the same way. BSD, GNU and other projects show that programmers would have the public use their code rather than have it perverted and exploited by a bunch of greedy grabber marketeers like the BSA and Microsoft. Like the oceans, there is little the BSA can do about free software but lie and avoid the issue. Who wants bottled stagnant code when you have all the free software in the world? Once artificial barriers are removed, those who really want resources will have them and all this "pirate" nonsense will fade away like a bad dream.
In the HR world, its known as hiring "right types", and you can usually determine the companies opinion on this by looking at how they operate.
Companies become the cartoon sterotype of itself that HR has in it's head. This is why it's better for companies to do it's hiring through it's employee contacts and for HR to stick to matters of compensation. Human Retards has not got a clue and a company that's not tied to it's respective communities deserves to go extinct. Companies that put themselves at the mercy of thier Human Retards die out as surely as those who have engineer decisions made by accountants and vice versa.
Who has not? I expect more BullShit (TM).
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Some "highly recognizable" members of the open-source community have also asked about the NDA process, but he would not give their names.
Anyone working on free code should be highly suspicious of NDAs and other agreements that limit free speech and co-opt IP. There's no reason to sign a NDA to look at Linux source code. You have to wonder what SCO has that they don't want you to talk about.
Chances are SCO are going to make some realy stupid terms. They would love for only their clueless dupes to sign and therby raise their credibility in the land of the lost. What kind of objective opinion can be written if you can't describe the thing you are talking about? An even more devious prank they can pull is full publication, "against their will." All they've done so far is sling insults. "The anarchists are publishing the Linux source code again, even after they agreed not to!", echos from the future.
Maybe Novell can revoke the contract with SCO and then they can no longer sue because they no longer can enforce the copyrights? I don't know, IANAL.
If SCO sues Novell over Unix, won't that make SCO Unix and other Unix revenues a contested asset? You would think that would limit what SCO can do with those revenues.
Nah, this one's better.
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three young girls progressing through puberty, that's a different story! I'd sure like to raid their arks!
You must have forgotten what happened to the Nazis. Remember the scene with the Angel of Death? If they were 18 in 1988, they are 33 today. That's about 57 in Biloxi years.
If you act out your fantasy on pre pubescent girls, you will find yourself either dead or in jail wishing you were dead. Either way, you will be removed from the gene pool.
Instead of a specific figure, just call it "For A Limited Fee" and then keep increasing it every few years.
Also make the time period "reasonable" instead of 50 years. Might as well charge a yearly fee for perpetual copyrights.
On second thought, I'd prefer free and limited duration copyright. Let's reduce the duration without creating things that can be used against the public. You and I don't owe publishers a thing, so there's no need to bargain with them.
People from South Korea have told me about all sorts of nutty things the Commies do. They send commandos into South Korea to plant weapons and explosives. You hear about it every now and then where a group gets caught, but the "objective" western media miss many damning details. North Korea gets up to this kind of stuff despite their own people not having enough to eat.
It may be just for "propaganda". Propaganda is very important to them. Blocking legitimate communications, astroturfing and sabotage are not just popular in Redmond.
If you've ever studied business a day in your life, you'd know that companies tend to focus on what they're good at.
Can you name one thing Microsoft does better than anyone else? Ease of use? Nope. Stability? Nope. Features? Name one "feature" that has not been coppied numerous times and better by free software. People are sick of the tricks M$ plays to make the Office file format work. Govenrments and reasonable institutions are backing out of all M$ DRM and abusive EULA like paper files are better. Businesses with a clue have already moved "vital" functions away and the desktop will follow quickly. Microsoft has little to offer that others have not done better and more honestly and no amount of money can reverse the bad reputation their abusive practices are earning them. A pile of their own stock value? Can you say dot-net == dot-bomb?
I don't know about y'all, but all the banks I have been with could care less about losing a small fry like me.
Try a bank affiliated with a University, or some other institution that values peer review and loathes vendor lock in. A high proportion of them use Macs, Unix an Linux for personal work and they don't put up with shit like IE only pages.
When you leave the big dumb bank, voice your reasons forcefully but politely in emails and calls. Point out that 50 to 60% of Windoze users have older Microsoft operating systems and up to 15% don't run Microsoft at all, so softare that only talks to the current OS serves much less than a majority it their online cutomers. Not serving one in ten of your customers is madness, serving less than half is suicidal. Even big dumb banks will think twice before moving in that direction and enough defectors will reverse their direction faster than "ILoveYou" make Wall Street a believer in free software.
Are you starting to get the picture? They have gone off the fucking deep end. The entire machine is one big fat lock.
After months of effort, the determined hacker who captures their video stream to see what his broken monitor would not display see mostly blue with one bit of text, "MSIE has caused an exception fault in 0x00001, press any key to reboot."
Now, you could program these curves yourself, but you better KNOW your shit. Get this fuel mix wrong, and manage your engine poorly, or make a typo, and you'll be debuging by rebuilding your cylinder head, or worse, replacing pistons and rods.
How is this any different from turning valves on a bigger than design carborator? Give me a break. If you program your computer wrong, your engine won't work, but I doubt it will explode or burn up.
This project is cool. It looks like free software and so, we can imagine the much will come of it. A nice use of this will be to put fuel injection on engines that were never had it to begin with. I wonder what it and some new heads could do for my 1970 VW van.
So if a badguy shoots someone and takes their car how does this system keep the badguy from using the roads?
>Um, because a stolen car can be located much, much faster than possible thru any other means? Would you steal cars if you knew the police could locate and track you within minutes of the car being reported stolen?
You are not to bright are you? Imagine that I shoot you and take your car. I drive out of town and ditch your car. I suppose you could say the road was denied to me in the future, but only in your car, which I don't want to drive anyway. So there I am, a baddie, driving around my car all nice and happy. I can also drive any car until it's reported stolen the silly cameras are useless.
Video monitoring does not prevent crime. It's much better to have police out on the street than to have them waffle butting around with silly cameras.
The "infrastructure" you speak of was built on public property with monopoly protection. It really belongs to everyone. Just giving it to one company gives that encumbent company the ability to rape the public who get to pay the cost of creating uneeded duplicate ifrastructures while suffering the use of ageing equipment. When you live by public protection, you die by it as well. I'd love to see just anyone able to build infrastructure, but I don't think that it's either possible, permitted or required. Alternate networks will be built and we will all pay for them and then the bells will buy the up when they fail because they don't have to co-operate now. Ready for another century of pay per minute rape telco service?
I doubt the telecom act of 1996 was meant to create an industry that relied on cheap prices by the bells and only on reselling.
No it was not. But my fiber that runs from one side of my house to the other and can't hook into the network everyone else is using does me no good. A network only works if the players co-operate. The Bells have promissed us Broadband Stagnation. This is all just more of the same.
Society is really screwed up when this what we have to do to escape such a rape.
I always considered the moon landing an achievement for the entire human race.
So do I. It showed what free men can do when they co-operate. It shames me what has been lost since. DMCA, Homland Defense, TIA, barf, we shall soon be as bad as our idealogical rivals, as which point we shall simply be economic and military rivals.
Yeah, I know, we'll just get both. At least one offers a way out of the other.
Here's the mindframe that's useful. Instead of sitting around on this rock, blowing up each other's sacred temples and fighting over petrified dino-shit, we should concentrate on exploiting the infinite riches of the Universe. Get out of the zero sum game. A power like China will never alow it's colonies anything aproaching self suficiency. It's up to free people to colinize space and liberate those who are oppressed by a shining example of prosperity.
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We can then hope that industry picks these students up and listens to them. Some companies won't like what the clueful have to say about their software. But every other company in the world needs to hear it.
I understood the joke. I also understand a few real downsides to perpetual copyright. Demanding an infinte fee for a perpetual copyright would not balance the system out or promote the useful arts. Demanding a fee simply makes the govenment a pimp to the corrupt business of keeping the public from using information. The author was not serious about the fee, and he poked beautiful fun at the whole thing but not everyone understands what we just exchanged. Thanks for helping me make it clear.
Clarity is hard to find in the tide of astro turf Slashdot is suffering from.
As natural bodies of water and their beaches belong to the public, 100% of beachfront homes are "pirated" if they deny the public access to what's theirs. Softare can be thought of in the same way. BSD, GNU and other projects show that programmers would have the public use their code rather than have it perverted and exploited by a bunch of greedy grabber marketeers like the BSA and Microsoft. Like the oceans, there is little the BSA can do about free software but lie and avoid the issue. Who wants bottled stagnant code when you have all the free software in the world? Once artificial barriers are removed, those who really want resources will have them and all this "pirate" nonsense will fade away like a bad dream.
Companies become the cartoon sterotype of itself that HR has in it's head. This is why it's better for companies to do it's hiring through it's employee contacts and for HR to stick to matters of compensation. Human Retards has not got a clue and a company that's not tied to it's respective communities deserves to go extinct. Companies that put themselves at the mercy of thier Human Retards die out as surely as those who have engineer decisions made by accountants and vice versa.
Anyone working on free code should be highly suspicious of NDAs and other agreements that limit free speech and co-opt IP. There's no reason to sign a NDA to look at Linux source code. You have to wonder what SCO has that they don't want you to talk about.
Chances are SCO are going to make some realy stupid terms. They would love for only their clueless dupes to sign and therby raise their credibility in the land of the lost. What kind of objective opinion can be written if you can't describe the thing you are talking about? An even more devious prank they can pull is full publication, "against their will." All they've done so far is sling insults. "The anarchists are publishing the Linux source code again, even after they agreed not to!", echos from the future.
Smells like more M$.
If SCO sues Novell over Unix, won't that make SCO Unix and other Unix revenues a contested asset? You would think that would limit what SCO can do with those revenues.
A real Rebel Yell. Best summory I've seen so far.
You must have forgotten what happened to the Nazis. Remember the scene with the Angel of Death? If they were 18 in 1988, they are 33 today. That's about 57 in Biloxi years.
If you act out your fantasy on pre pubescent girls, you will find yourself either dead or in jail wishing you were dead. Either way, you will be removed from the gene pool.
He listens to Hong Kong Jedi.
Also make the time period "reasonable" instead of 50 years. Might as well charge a yearly fee for perpetual copyrights.
On second thought, I'd prefer free and limited duration copyright. Let's reduce the duration without creating things that can be used against the public. You and I don't owe publishers a thing, so there's no need to bargain with them.
It may be just for "propaganda". Propaganda is very important to them. Blocking legitimate communications, astroturfing and sabotage are not just popular in Redmond.
Yes, they understand all the good things you can do without killing babies now.
Not only is this very difficult for a country under the age of 18 years to consider, it's also very difficult for landlocked coutries to fathom.
With half of Windoze users working with win98 and the rest streched over w2k, XP, coding to any IE never works for even a majority of Windoze users.
Now that AOL has "settled" with M$, it's up to Opera to sue them for damages.
Can you name one thing Microsoft does better than anyone else? Ease of use? Nope. Stability? Nope. Features? Name one "feature" that has not been coppied numerous times and better by free software. People are sick of the tricks M$ plays to make the Office file format work. Govenrments and reasonable institutions are backing out of all M$ DRM and abusive EULA like paper files are better. Businesses with a clue have already moved "vital" functions away and the desktop will follow quickly. Microsoft has little to offer that others have not done better and more honestly and no amount of money can reverse the bad reputation their abusive practices are earning them. A pile of their own stock value? Can you say dot-net == dot-bomb?
Try a bank affiliated with a University, or some other institution that values peer review and loathes vendor lock in. A high proportion of them use Macs, Unix an Linux for personal work and they don't put up with shit like IE only pages.
When you leave the big dumb bank, voice your reasons forcefully but politely in emails and calls. Point out that 50 to 60% of Windoze users have older Microsoft operating systems and up to 15% don't run Microsoft at all, so softare that only talks to the current OS serves much less than a majority it their online cutomers. Not serving one in ten of your customers is madness, serving less than half is suicidal. Even big dumb banks will think twice before moving in that direction and enough defectors will reverse their direction faster than "ILoveYou" make Wall Street a believer in free software.
After months of effort, the determined hacker who captures their video stream to see what his broken monitor would not display see mostly blue with one bit of text, "MSIE has caused an exception fault in 0x00001, press any key to reboot."
Just put a computer in your car with a serrial line to the box. You can use Linux to porgram the thing and play your ogg files.
How is this any different from turning valves on a bigger than design carborator? Give me a break. If you program your computer wrong, your engine won't work, but I doubt it will explode or burn up.
This project is cool. It looks like free software and so, we can imagine the much will come of it. A nice use of this will be to put fuel injection on engines that were never had it to begin with. I wonder what it and some new heads could do for my 1970 VW van.
>Um, because a stolen car can be located much, much faster than possible thru any other means? Would you steal cars if you knew the police could locate and track you within minutes of the car being reported stolen?
You are not to bright are you? Imagine that I shoot you and take your car. I drive out of town and ditch your car. I suppose you could say the road was denied to me in the future, but only in your car, which I don't want to drive anyway. So there I am, a baddie, driving around my car all nice and happy. I can also drive any car until it's reported stolen the silly cameras are useless.
Video monitoring does not prevent crime. It's much better to have police out on the street than to have them waffle butting around with silly cameras.
I doubt that.
The "infrastructure" you speak of was built on public property with monopoly protection. It really belongs to everyone. Just giving it to one company gives that encumbent company the ability to rape the public who get to pay the cost of creating uneeded duplicate ifrastructures while suffering the use of ageing equipment. When you live by public protection, you die by it as well. I'd love to see just anyone able to build infrastructure, but I don't think that it's either possible, permitted or required. Alternate networks will be built and we will all pay for them and then the bells will buy the up when they fail because they don't have to co-operate now. Ready for another century of pay per minute rape telco service?
I doubt the telecom act of 1996 was meant to create an industry that relied on cheap prices by the bells and only on reselling.
No it was not. But my fiber that runs from one side of my house to the other and can't hook into the network everyone else is using does me no good. A network only works if the players co-operate. The Bells have promissed us Broadband Stagnation. This is all just more of the same.
Society is really screwed up when this what we have to do to escape such a rape.
Thank you Alta Vista Bablefish.
So do I. It showed what free men can do when they co-operate. It shames me what has been lost since. DMCA, Homland Defense, TIA, barf, we shall soon be as bad as our idealogical rivals, as which point we shall simply be economic and military rivals.
Here's the mindframe that's useful. Instead of sitting around on this rock, blowing up each other's sacred temples and fighting over petrified dino-shit, we should concentrate on exploiting the infinite riches of the Universe. Get out of the zero sum game. A power like China will never alow it's colonies anything aproaching self suficiency. It's up to free people to colinize space and liberate those who are oppressed by a shining example of prosperity.