One of the problems with actually doing rather than saying is that reality makes things complicated. How does it "sense" you're done with it? What if someone's using it to heat something and it needs to remain on and immobile? Unless you could make it telepathic, having it ask you if you're done seems like a great way for it to find out.
Actually, there's a use case to be made there. You're driving in to work and you get a text that your iron has been on for 45 minutes and would you like it turned off? Sort of related: NEVER wash your fiberglass embedded ironing board cover with your underwear. You will rue the day.
Adoption doesn't pass along my genes which is what I want.
Sometimes you want things and they come with a cost. Weather you will pay the cost is up to you. This should not be a difficult or new concept for any adult.
So why the downmod? Did the AC have wrongthink about the religion or is the Koran not a book? If you wanted to know more about a religion and that religion is based on a book, reading that book seems like an excellent place to start. I'd go even farther. Read the Bible! Witches, talking donkeys, genocide, slaves (how to buy and acceptable beating of), rape (how to do it right), gods, devils, angels and one zombie. It also tells you things like how it's bad to murder and steal, in case you haven's already worked that out for yourself.
So women are staying out of IT because they may find the use of the label "nerd" derogatory. Apparently this is not stopping men. Are there any other special exceptions that should be made to benefit women or is this where you draw the line?
So GWXerog posts some verifiable facts going back to the source material, and your argument is that these facts should be disregarded because GWXerog appears to be a man who has views on feminism different from yours. Can you get past your bias enough to realize what a weak argument this is?
I really don't understand all the hate if the devices aren't talking to a corporate server.
Unfortunately, that's how they monetize the "service". The app on your phone connects to the same server as your thermostat and you pay for that. Surely they won't create another revenue stream by tracking the use of your devices, that wouldn't be nice, would it? What happens to your hardware when they go belly up? Are you certain there are no security issues that could give someone control of your stuff? Maybe just watch when you turn on your lights and turn up the heat, thus knowing when you are home? Think it through man!
but as long as they are portable does it really make sense to chase after every last millimetre ?
There's a huge difference between "portable" and "I can comfortably hold this with one hand for an extended period of time". The use case for a laptop as opposed to a tablet can be quite different.
At which point you have to consider the value of the missile vs. the value of the material...
The problem, he said, wasn't effectiveness... the issue is economics.
Let's posit that the "ally" doesn't care how much the missile cost to make because they didn't pay for it. Its cost at that point is very low (it still has to be manned and maintained). From the allies' perspective then, they are comparing that low cost (and maybe opportunity cost) to the value of taking out the drone. Sometimes things get much simpler if you just don't give a shit.
At least I made an argument. Your. You're welcome.
It's not enough to invoke hugely strong emotions.
I'm not trying to start shit, just express my opinion.
The best you'll get is a very mildly despairing (sic) sigh...
Stricken to the quick, I am! That was sarcasm, I'm not really upset. Also, it appears I offended you enough you made a response telling me how inoffensive my post was. You just couldn't resist, could you? In a very small way, I'm going to call that a win.
Well, you tell us. I think there's a legitimate point there. OTOH, your victimhood makes me cringe. People not knowing your job title = discrimination? Get over yourself, you may not be as special as you think you are.
Because I have a friend who runs a crane with a construction crew.
So your friend has a job where she doesn't fit in and she has a hard time. These things happen. Maybe she could find another company or different line of work? I'd also like to point out your anecdote does not constitute data.
I will now wait for you to strike down upon me with great vengeance and furious anger, the type usually triggered when a man in our society dares speak to a woman with a high opinion of herself. Knock yourself out, my karma can take it!
Isn't that an example of security measures working as expected?
Security measures working properly is only good in the proper context.
Car analogy: Your alarm goes off and locks both your steering and brakes. This is good for anti-theft. This is bad if it happens as you're cruising down the freeway.
I'd bet data mining a business would be different from data mining an individual. Imagine what you'd get if you data mined email to a company that made commercials. How about a reseller or an importer? Then comes the question of how do you know who in a company to advertise to. And of course you've just shit all over your own brand by abusing it. I'm not saying it couldn't be done and I'm by no means defending MS, but wouldn't it be easier for them to just charge a reasonable price for their service and leave all the data mining to the free / nearly free stuff?
For example, law enforcement could host properly signed DRM-protected files on sites pretending to host child pornography.
Apparently it's no longer even worth noting that representatives of the US government will run a child porn site offering downloads! Again. Yes, "pretending". So a honeypot without honey. That'll get real far now won't it?
In a healthy democracy there shouldn't be such a thing as "secret rules".
This. A thousand times this. If the voters don't know what's going on how are we supposed to make reasonable and informed decisions? A vote from an uninformed electorate is like participating in a kayak race without a kayak. You're just pretending to go through the motions.
Assuming you're one of the class of "voters", do you recall when you approved of this? I don't think I do. Does the fact that they were classified so the public can't see them mean anything to you? Click on the "heavily redacted form" link in TFA if you haven't already. Does that look like an agency that's interested in coming clean to the public about what they're doing? You can blame "voters" all you want, but in the interest of being fair about this, consider exactly how much effort has gone into keeping the voters ignorant of what's going on.
"A good faith effort is the same as keeping their campaign promises,..." Except that in one case the promise is kept and fulfilled while in the other it is not kept and not fulfilled. Before you explain to me again that he can't unilaterally make changes (see: executive order), I have a question for you. Was he really unaware of the situation he might be facing when it came time to make good on his promises? Surely someone who has attained the political rank of "President" should know he may get pushback on the things he wants to do. We may even expect him to have the foresight to take that resistance into account and keep his promises in spite of it.
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One of the problems with actually doing rather than saying is that reality makes things complicated. How does it "sense" you're done with it? What if someone's using it to heat something and it needs to remain on and immobile? Unless you could make it telepathic, having it ask you if you're done seems like a great way for it to find out.
I haven't heard of internet connected irons...
Actually, there's a use case to be made there. You're driving in to work and you get a text that your iron has been on for 45 minutes and would you like it turned off?
Sort of related: NEVER wash your fiberglass embedded ironing board cover with your underwear. You will rue the day.
Is the driver male or female?
Adoption doesn't pass along my genes which is what I want.
Sometimes you want things and they come with a cost. Weather you will pay the cost is up to you. This should not be a difficult or new concept for any adult.
Sorry to disappoint you sir!
So why the downmod? Did the AC have wrongthink about the religion or is the Koran not a book?
If you wanted to know more about a religion and that religion is based on a book, reading that book seems like an excellent place to start.
I'd go even farther.
Read the Bible! Witches, talking donkeys, genocide, slaves (how to buy and acceptable beating of), rape (how to do it right), gods, devils, angels and one zombie. It also tells you things like how it's bad to murder and steal, in case you haven's already worked that out for yourself.
So women are staying out of IT because they may find the use of the label "nerd" derogatory.
Apparently this is not stopping men.
Are there any other special exceptions that should be made to benefit women or is this where you draw the line?
So GWXerog posts some verifiable facts going back to the source material, and your argument is that these facts should be disregarded because GWXerog appears to be a man who has views on feminism different from yours. Can you get past your bias enough to realize what a weak argument this is?
I really don't understand all the hate if the devices aren't talking to a corporate server.
Unfortunately, that's how they monetize the "service". The app on your phone connects to the same server as your thermostat and you pay for that. Surely they won't create another revenue stream by tracking the use of your devices, that wouldn't be nice, would it? What happens to your hardware when they go belly up? Are you certain there are no security issues that could give someone control of your stuff? Maybe just watch when you turn on your lights and turn up the heat, thus knowing when you are home?
Think it through man!
Bravo! Bravo!
but as long as they are portable does it really make sense to chase after every last millimetre ?
There's a huge difference between "portable" and "I can comfortably hold this with one hand for an extended period of time".
The use case for a laptop as opposed to a tablet can be quite different.
At which point you have to consider the value of the missile vs. the value of the material...
The problem, he said, wasn't effectiveness... the issue is economics.
Let's posit that the "ally" doesn't care how much the missile cost to make because they didn't pay for it. Its cost at that point is very low (it still has to be manned and maintained). From the allies' perspective then, they are comparing that low cost (and maybe opportunity cost) to the value of taking out the drone.
Sometimes things get much simpler if you just don't give a shit.
Oh you're one of those weird offence monsters...
reading comprehension fail.
Done talking to you.
No, you post is just bland stupidity.
At least I made an argument. Your. You're welcome.
It's not enough to invoke hugely strong emotions.
I'm not trying to start shit, just express my opinion.
The best you'll get is a very mildly despairing (sic) sigh...
Stricken to the quick, I am! That was sarcasm, I'm not really upset. Also, it appears I offended you enough you made a response telling me how inoffensive my post was. You just couldn't resist, could you? In a very small way, I'm going to call that a win.
We need to close the death gap by killing more women.
I think that's the wrong way to go about it. We need to teach more men not to die.
Feels good eh? Being all right and righteous?
Well, you tell us. I think there's a legitimate point there. OTOH, your victimhood makes me cringe. People not knowing your job title = discrimination? Get over yourself, you may not be as special as you think you are.
Because I have a friend who runs a crane with a construction crew.
So your friend has a job where she doesn't fit in and she has a hard time. These things happen. Maybe she could find another company or different line of work? I'd also like to point out your anecdote does not constitute data.
I will now wait for you to strike down upon me with great vengeance and furious anger, the type usually triggered when a man in our society dares speak to a woman with a high opinion of herself. Knock yourself out, my karma can take it!
Isn't that an example of security measures working as expected?
Security measures working properly is only good in the proper context.
Car analogy: Your alarm goes off and locks both your steering and brakes. This is good for anti-theft. This is bad if it happens as you're cruising down the freeway.
I'd bet data mining a business would be different from data mining an individual. Imagine what you'd get if you data mined email to a company that made commercials. How about a reseller or an importer? Then comes the question of how do you know who in a company to advertise to. And of course you've just shit all over your own brand by abusing it. I'm not saying it couldn't be done and I'm by no means defending MS, but wouldn't it be easier for them to just charge a reasonable price for their service and leave all the data mining to the free / nearly free stuff?
For example, law enforcement could host properly signed DRM-protected files on sites pretending to host child pornography.
Apparently it's no longer even worth noting that representatives of the US government will run a child porn site offering downloads!
Again.
Yes, "pretending". So a honeypot without honey. That'll get real far now won't it?
In a healthy democracy there shouldn't be such a thing as "secret rules".
This. A thousand times this. If the voters don't know what's going on how are we supposed to make reasonable and informed decisions? A vote from an uninformed electorate is like participating in a kayak race without a kayak. You're just pretending to go through the motions.
If you don't like what I said, rather than mod me down might I suggest you supply a rational (pref. fact based) argument refuting my point?
Assuming you're one of the class of "voters", do you recall when you approved of this? I don't think I do. Does the fact that they were classified so the public can't see them mean anything to you? Click on the "heavily redacted form" link in TFA if you haven't already. Does that look like an agency that's interested in coming clean to the public about what they're doing?
You can blame "voters" all you want, but in the interest of being fair about this, consider exactly how much effort has gone into keeping the voters ignorant of what's going on.
So how exactly is this Trump's fault? I mean, he's had a week to straighten it out and it's not like he's been up to anything else in the meantime!
"A good faith effort is the same as keeping their campaign promises,..." Except that in one case the promise is kept and fulfilled while in the other it is not kept and not fulfilled. Before you explain to me again that he can't unilaterally make changes (see: executive order), I have a question for you. Was he really unaware of the situation he might be facing when it came time to make good on his promises? Surely someone who has attained the political rank of "President" should know he may get pushback on the things he wants to do. We may even expect him to have the foresight to take that resistance into account and keep his promises in spite of it.
It may help if you think of Feminism (specifically third wave) as more of a cult or religion than political movement.