This is a question of debate, and perspective. MSFT has a higher market cap then does IBM. But for virtually any other business metric, IBM is on top. More revenue, more profit, more employees, more locations. Bigger IP porfolio. Far, far, more lines of products.
In the desktop PC world, Microsoft may be able to push around anyone, including IBM. Anywhere else, IBM is king. This whole sale is due to the very low margins on desktop PCs, I read somewhere it only brought in about $75mil/year in profits -- far to little for IBM to bother with. If IBM starts a serious Linux push -- they already have the technology in place, just marketing time now (.. the same OS, on your departmental server to your mainframe, backed by IBM...) then they would undoubtably piss of Microsoft. And that very slim margin could evaporate overnight.
Your mom-and-pop ISP might not (are there any of those left?) but there are at least two, and possibly more, "bulk" US nation wide ISPs. One lists prices at $4.25/month/user.. Been a while since I looked at monthly dial-up rates, but it would stand to reason that there is at least one national ISP with sub $5/mo rates.
This may be the only option. At a very high level, this would require two things. First that you have a merchant account with the various CC companies. Depending on what kind of business you are in, this could be very easy, or very hard. More difficult would be the software itself. You "talk to" the CC company through one of a few Processor networks.. And those networks only allow certified systems to talk to them, and getting a system certified is, I suspect, close to impossible.
Fortunatly, there are more then a few libraries/servers. RedHat once had such a system, and based on their referral, I once played with MCVE, from Main Street Software. I left the job before anything came of the project; I diddnt go very far with it, but it was infinitly better then a Java system, whose name I dont remember, that I also played with (Dammit, its Java. I should be able to run it under Linux just fine, asshats.)
MCVE bindings are included in stock PHP, which I think is a reasonable vote of confidence.
While doing it yourself would not really remove the SPOF, it would bring it under your control. While the system you build may be technically less secure then one of the third-party-processors, it would also be a smaller target. Your own system wouldnt be effected by a vendetta DDOS against a TPP.
I think, in the grand scheme of things, that the politics of getting merchant accounts with the CC companies would be easier then the technical implementation.
Im speaking from a historical point of view. At one point, while they didn't take a vote, some external approval, beyond the current formality, was necessary. I suspect that there are many, many, clergy that require the couple to be have pre-marriage counseling..
But anyway: You cant just go to Vegas and say "Im married now". Those drive through chapels have some kind of regulations. As for divorce - the fact that governments regulate how it happens via family court is proof of my argument. And adulterers are "punished" in so far as the government sponsored divorce system would grant a divorce if adultery could be proven. But more generally, you seem to have the idea that when I said that marriage effected society that I meant that marriage is good for society. Getting married isn't inherently a good thing, and getting divorced isn't inherently a bad thing. They are thing that effect society, and thus are regulated by it.
The buzz word is not "email client" but "personal information manager". Of course, these are two different things. The later requires the former, but not the other way around.
Just as Firefox is a lean, mean, browsing machine, Thunderbird should be a lean, mean, email reading machine. If you want a calendar, then get something else.
Which is bad over the long term. Over the short term, many banner ad companies wont pay out if your click/sale, click/lead, clik/whatever ratio is out of wack. Sometimes they dont tell you what your ratio is (some places have very detailed accounting information). They are the sole ajudicators of what is out of wack, based on their own definition - usualy not known - of what is normal.
The whole point of marriage is that it affects people beyond the couple. Marriages are presided over by someone in some position of authority (historically speaking, if religious "leaders" should be considered to have authority is a different question...), generally in public, and those marriages are a matter of public record. Only ever going to church for marriages and funerals myself (and then reluctantly), Im not up on the doctrine, but Im pretty sure that the RCs announce upcoming marriages, at least three times, in their regularly scheduled meeting named after a north eastern state... The idea that the parishioners can make formal objections to the marriage before it happens, up to and including during the ceremony, "or forever hold your piece".
The question is not if gay marriage effects others, as marriage does by definition, but if gay marriage effects others more then non-gay marriage, and if it does, if that effect is unreasonable.
First, I have no idea who you are, nor do I know anything about SAMBA politics. For that matter, I don't know much about SAMBA either.
Here is an idea. Learn how to use your shift key. I've only read about 10 of your posts in this discussion, and I have already decided that the other guy is right.
There still has to be some kind of "meta" OS. There is more then just the processor; IO cards; which processors for SMP hosts, memory allocation, etc. What VMWare does - needs to do - may be significantly reduced, but it will still be necessary.
I wonder if Novell will create a management system, allowing point-and-click and/or programmable provisioning capabilities. They could call it ZENWorks for Xen! The manual could be called "Zen and the Art of Xen with ZENWorks"
Depending on how you in interperet a "third party tool", ZENWorks, amongst others would qualify. If they poster means some kinda meta-IT department that produces network-deployable packages, then I dont know. I doubt it.
In this context we are talking about how mistakes today will cost in time tomorrow. In this context, screwing up a computer program will cost more then a doctor screwing up in such a way that it causes death.
If we are talking about time to fix, it is entirely possible that programming mistakes can be more serious then medical mistakes. If you are a doctor and you kill someone, thats it. A few hours of paperwork, maby. If you write an OS over a single continious 48 hours hacking run, then you are stuck with that crap 25 years later, screwing up millions of peoples lives.
Man, I would hate to be in the solar system that an astrophysicist has played with durring his 120th hour that week. It would have 8 stars orbiting a big hunk of cheese.
Why is your DNS server running samba? The very fact that it is running samba is a security problem, patched or unpatched. But you miss the whole point of this discussion about PACKAGE MANAGERS. "make" is not a package management system. Perhaps the most important feature of a package management system is that you no longer need a compiler. It is more then likely that the kernel you are running, installed from a package management system, was configured, tweeked, by people far smarter then you. But if you are replacing a kernel you did build your self, then again, you are missing the whole point.
Ouch! I'm a big fan of linux and all, but I don't really know what it's good for without a compiler...is it really used as a desktop OS? I thought that was always a pipedream for the future and only a reality for the real geeky environments. I'd hate it if my linux machine were my only PC at work....openoffice is really terrible compared to M$:-P
Your serious? What does a DNS server need with a compiler? What does a mail server need with a compiler? What does a web server need with a compiler? What does anything except a developement system need with a compiler?
Hmm, that one I'm not sure about. I'm sure such a facility *could* exist...
Well, ya. And someone could geneticly engineer sea otters to be Linux administrators who do everyones package management for urchins too. But thats not likely to happen. Thats not even reasonable to even think about trying to make happen.
Well, the same can be said for RPM, or deb, or whatever. What is "part of the operating system" anyway? It comes with 2000 and later and was a component of service packs for 98 on. RPM isnt a kernel module, so it isnt "part of the operating system" either. Point?
It is, for better or worse, now the "correct" way to do installs on Windows, thus it provides a common, consistant method for installing (and uninstalling) things. It may or may not be good, but the fact that it is consistant would alone makes it usefull. But it is more then simply a wrapper for compressed files and a dozen or so registry entries. It has significant features, management capabilities for network based installs; it provides for rollbacks, recovery and policies.
Trust me, I hate MS far more then the next guy. And MSI+SMS is almost definitly not as good as ZENWorks. But to declare that Windows doesnt have a package management system is simply false.
If you are installing a beta version of anything as complex and comprehensive as KDE, then you should expect things to get fucked up. Furthermore, if you are installing the beta version of KDE then should be installing the beta version of KDE, not a package manager.
I suppose that could be true. And there is some internanl consistancy to a situation where the network admin confuses a T1 with a 10GigE internet connection and where the network admin allows downloading games, and in fact downloads them himself! Man, if I had a OC-192 in my office.....
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This is a question of debate, and perspective. MSFT has a higher market cap then does IBM. But for virtually any other business metric, IBM is on top. More revenue, more profit, more employees, more locations. Bigger IP porfolio. Far, far, more lines of products.
In the desktop PC world, Microsoft may be able to push around anyone, including IBM. Anywhere else, IBM is king. This whole sale is due to the very low margins on desktop PCs, I read somewhere it only brought in about $75mil/year in profits -- far to little for IBM to bother with. If IBM starts a serious Linux push -- they already have the technology in place, just marketing time now (.. the same OS, on your departmental server to your mainframe, backed by IBM...) then they would undoubtably piss of Microsoft. And that very slim margin could evaporate overnight.
Your mom-and-pop ISP might not (are there any of those left?) but there are at least two, and possibly more, "bulk" US nation wide ISPs. One lists prices at $4.25/month/user.. Been a while since I looked at monthly dial-up rates, but it would stand to reason that there is at least one national ISP with sub $5/mo rates.
This may be the only option. At a very high level, this would require two things. First that you have a merchant account with the various CC companies. Depending on what kind of business you are in, this could be very easy, or very hard. More difficult would be the software itself. You "talk to" the CC company through one of a few Processor networks.. And those networks only allow certified systems to talk to them, and getting a system certified is, I suspect, close to impossible.
Fortunatly, there are more then a few libraries/servers. RedHat once had such a system, and based on their referral, I once played with MCVE, from Main Street Software. I left the job before anything came of the project; I diddnt go very far with it, but it was infinitly better then a Java system, whose name I dont remember, that I also played with (Dammit, its Java. I should be able to run it under Linux just fine, asshats.)
MCVE bindings are included in stock PHP, which I think is a reasonable vote of confidence.
While doing it yourself would not really remove the SPOF, it would bring it under your control. While the system you build may be technically less secure then one of the third-party-processors, it would also be a smaller target. Your own system wouldnt be effected by a vendetta DDOS against a TPP.
I think, in the grand scheme of things, that the politics of getting merchant accounts with the CC companies would be easier then the technical implementation.
Im speaking from a historical point of view. At one point, while they didn't take a vote, some external approval, beyond the current formality, was necessary. I suspect that there are many, many, clergy that require the couple to be have pre-marriage counseling..
But anyway: You cant just go to Vegas and say "Im married now". Those drive through chapels have some kind of regulations. As for divorce - the fact that governments regulate how it happens via family court is proof of my argument. And adulterers are "punished" in so far as the government sponsored divorce system would grant a divorce if adultery could be proven. But more generally, you seem to have the idea that when I said that marriage effected society that I meant that marriage is good for society. Getting married isn't inherently a good thing, and getting divorced isn't inherently a bad thing. They are thing that effect society, and thus are regulated by it.
The buzz word is not "email client" but "personal information manager". Of course, these are two different things. The later requires the former, but not the other way around.
Just as Firefox is a lean, mean, browsing machine, Thunderbird should be a lean, mean, email reading machine. If you want a calendar, then get something else.
Which is bad over the long term. Over the short term, many banner ad companies wont pay out if your click/sale, click/lead, clik/whatever ratio is out of wack. Sometimes they dont tell you what your ratio is (some places have very detailed accounting information). They are the sole ajudicators of what is out of wack, based on their own definition - usualy not known - of what is normal.
The whole point of marriage is that it affects people beyond the couple. Marriages are presided over by someone in some position of authority (historically speaking, if religious "leaders" should be considered to have authority is a different question...), generally in public, and those marriages are a matter of public record. Only ever going to church for marriages and funerals myself (and then reluctantly), Im not up on the doctrine, but Im pretty sure that the RCs announce upcoming marriages, at least three times, in their regularly scheduled meeting named after a north eastern state... The idea that the parishioners can make formal objections to the marriage before it happens, up to and including during the ceremony, "or forever hold your piece".
The question is not if gay marriage effects others, as marriage does by definition, but if gay marriage effects others more then non-gay marriage, and if it does, if that effect is unreasonable.
First, I have no idea who you are, nor do I know anything about SAMBA politics. For that matter, I don't know much about SAMBA either.
Here is an idea. Learn how to use your shift key. I've only read about 10 of your posts in this discussion, and I have already decided that the other guy is right.
There still has to be some kind of "meta" OS. There is more then just the processor; IO cards; which processors for SMP hosts, memory allocation, etc. What VMWare does - needs to do - may be significantly reduced, but it will still be necessary.
I wonder if Novell will create a management system, allowing point-and-click and/or programmable provisioning capabilities. They could call it ZENWorks for Xen! The manual could be called "Zen and the Art of Xen with ZENWorks"
Not all of Linux, but there is gconf, which I can only assume the Gimp uses.
You mean you remember when /. diddnt suck? Oh, wait....
Depending on how you in interperet a "third party tool", ZENWorks, amongst others would qualify. If they poster means some kinda meta-IT department that produces network-deployable packages, then I dont know. I doubt it.
5) Your computer room is now retro. You have made your 21st century computer seem like a 1975 dumb terminal.
* Impossible Mission
Hahaha. Due to a bug, Impossible Mission actuall was impossible!
In this context we are talking about how mistakes today will cost in time tomorrow. In this context, screwing up a computer program will cost more then a doctor screwing up in such a way that it causes death.
If we are talking about time to fix, it is entirely possible that programming mistakes can be more serious then medical mistakes. If you are a doctor and you kill someone, thats it. A few hours of paperwork, maby. If you write an OS over a single continious 48 hours hacking run, then you are stuck with that crap 25 years later, screwing up millions of peoples lives.
Man, I would hate to be in the solar system that an astrophysicist has played with durring his 120th hour that week. It would have 8 stars orbiting a big hunk of cheese.
Why is your DNS server running samba? The very fact that it is running samba is a security problem, patched or unpatched. But you miss the whole point of this discussion about PACKAGE MANAGERS. "make" is not a package management system. Perhaps the most important feature of a package management system is that you no longer need a compiler. It is more then likely that the kernel you are running, installed from a package management system, was configured, tweeked, by people far smarter then you. But if you are replacing a kernel you did build your self, then again, you are missing the whole point.
Your serious? What does a DNS server need with a compiler? What does a mail server need with a compiler? What does a web server need with a compiler? What does anything except a developement system need with a compiler?
Well, ya. And someone could geneticly engineer sea otters to be Linux administrators who do everyones package management for urchins too. But thats not likely to happen. Thats not even reasonable to even think about trying to make happen.
Well, the same can be said for RPM, or deb, or whatever. What is "part of the operating system" anyway? It comes with 2000 and later and was a component of service packs for 98 on. RPM isnt a kernel module, so it isnt "part of the operating system" either. Point?
It is, for better or worse, now the "correct" way to do installs on Windows, thus it provides a common, consistant method for installing (and uninstalling) things. It may or may not be good, but the fact that it is consistant would alone makes it usefull. But it is more then simply a wrapper for compressed files and a dozen or so registry entries. It has significant features, management capabilities for network based installs; it provides for rollbacks, recovery and policies.
Trust me, I hate MS far more then the next guy. And MSI+SMS is almost definitly not as good as ZENWorks. But to declare that Windows doesnt have a package management system is simply false.
If you are installing a beta version of anything as complex and comprehensive as KDE, then you should expect things to get fucked up. Furthermore, if you are installing the beta version of KDE then should be installing the beta version of KDE, not a package manager.
Hmm. Doesnt it?
I suppose that could be true. And there is some internanl consistancy to a situation where the network admin confuses a T1 with a 10GigE internet connection and where the network admin allows downloading games, and in fact downloads them himself! Man, if I had a OC-192 in my office.....
Indeed I was. But now he is doubly wrong, saying that he can pull down whatever his NIC can get.