How do you write C++ code for use from Python such that it's not an independent module?
I mentioned C/C++ because of the context, but I was actually referring to the logical aspect of the system. You can (and I know people who do) make spaghetti-code even with, for instance, RPC calls.
Anyway, regardless of how you architecture it, in the end you'll have Python script feeding data to your C++ code.
That's the point: you should not depend on that. The C++ code must be thoroughly tested independently of the Python code. You know, the whole high cohesion / low coupling thing.
If something goes wrong, you might want to debug said C++ code specifically as it is called from Python (i.e. with that data).
Then you should use that recorded data in your C++ unittests.
Even if you don't ever have to cross the boundary between languages during debugging, there are still benefits to be had from a debugger with more integrated support - for example, it can show Python representations of objects that were passed to your C++ code.
Even if your debugger had not that feature, it would still be useful. My point is that a good developer should need your debugger only on special cases (e.g. when you don't have access to all the code).
You forgot Alice. But most importantly, you forgot the "interest in maintaining the data". When people have easy access to the data, it will be replicated. I don't think what happened to, for instance, the Dr. Who episodes that were lost, could happen again. At that time only a handful of people had access to the films... nowadays you can find practically anything on bittorrent / www.
I can still run my MSX games from ~30 years ago. All it takes is interest in maintaining the data. If it is important -- and some even if it isn't -- somebody will maintain it.
Damn, you are right! The worse part is that I just assumed it was Java because it was slow (the whole startup behavior matched the Java timing pattern), but I never actually verified. In the end it was just terrible coding... I apologize for my misinfo and prejudice...;)
I only use two Java applications: Liferea (after google reader died) and Jitsi. When I start them, I can feel the sadness in my computer. They take ages to startup, but granted, after they've started they're just like any regular native application. Though Jitsi doesn't integrate well with gtk3, but overall it is pretty good.
I use mine as a XMPP server. The following was before I had a blackout here (Sept. 16): dmbasso@raspberrypi ~ $ uptime 11:46:25 up 180 days, 10:47, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
I suggest that some people need to grow up, and realise that the West is the absolute paragon of virtue compared to what Russia, China and Muslim countries are doing.
I suggest that some people need to wake up, and realise that while the West is currently the absolute paragon of virtue (compared to what Russia, China and Muslim countries are doing) we must not take that condition for granted.
FTFY.
I shudder to think what will happen to the world when the baton of world domination is handed to these despots.
Yep, me too. That's exactly the reason I don't want "the West" to become them.
Meaningful contribution: - giving support for health care systems, etc. Sinking the ship: - giving support for installing spyware on citizens' computers.
If you can't see how the later is prone to be abused then you're really naive. But your signature shows that's not the case, and I can only laugh at the hypocrisy.
Nice strawman[1]. [...] Now, your poor use of cognitive errors aside[2]
[1] there's no strawman here [2] quite ironic:)
Because you're what's left.
I've never been in the US, and I have no plans to go there.
In other news, it may be shocking for you, but not everyone wants to turn everything into a political cause.
It may be shocking to you, but ignoring an issue is a political action, regardless of you being aware or not.
if we don't focus our energy we accomplish nothing. [...] You can't be a part of every cause, you have to pick a few and focus on those, otherwise you won't accomplish much of anything, anywhere.
Yep, I agree on that.
Now, if you want to go down with the ship, you go man. I'll be on the life boat floating off thattaway, noting that your noble sacrifice gave me a place to put my feet up.
That's where your analogy breaks, you're not only floating away, when you say "If signing up for some 'cyber reserve army' is what's needed" you are actually contributing to sink the ship... not the one you left, but the one you're about to board.
[...] dying or starving to death for the noble cause [...]
I'm pretty sure that 90%* or more of people here are far from that risk. People like you and me have the option to chose where we're going to work, the only matter is how much you're willing to be paid. I rather have a lower income and be sure I'm a positive element in society than the other way around. That's not "somebody else's political statement", that's my political statement, because I want to live in a better society. If your world-view is "it's a lost cause, let me make it worse", than no, no pardon given. And please reflect more about it, because you are part of the problem.
That's exactly how the system works, make people dependent of "a job that pays the bills", even if that job is against what we agree are human rights. And while you are just a small gear in this machine, happily turning while the machine hums idly, don't complain when someone takes control of it and uses it as what it was really designed for. 1984 ftw.
Even the summary states they hand over very little. Much less than I had anticipated.
If you believe them. I mean, we all should believe everything they broadcast, right? Like Mr. Clapper rubbing his forehead while saying in the congress hearing "we do not willingly collect any data on American citizens". Yeah, sure.
And just for clarification, I've been using Unity for only around a year because I waited as long as I could before I had to upgrade libraries and stuff. The upgrade to Gnome/gtk 3 broke all my gedit plugins, and I didn't have time to adapt them. Recently I decided to try Pluma (MATE's version of gedit), and it was a piece of cake to make plugins work.
So I can't thank you enough, MATE crew, you guys are awesome!
Exactly, some of my friends that used Ubuntu highly recommend Mint. But I think I'm switching back to Debian with MATE, let's see. Funny thing is Canonical announced they were going to accept donations more or less at the same time they made the switch to Unity. At first I thought "great, I'll be able to easily show my support", but then I learned about the crap Unity was (and still is). After a year of using Unity I can safely say that it pisses me off (like when accidentally launching an application with meta+number) without bringing any advantage for my use case. The Dash is a joke... gnome-do were much better at it, even if I had to install the mono crap.
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How do you write C++ code for use from Python such that it's not an independent module?
I mentioned C/C++ because of the context, but I was actually referring to the logical aspect of the system. You can (and I know people who do) make spaghetti-code even with, for instance, RPC calls.
Anyway, regardless of how you architecture it, in the end you'll have Python script feeding data to your C++ code.
That's the point: you should not depend on that. The C++ code must be thoroughly tested independently of the Python code. You know, the whole high cohesion / low coupling thing.
If something goes wrong, you might want to debug said C++ code specifically as it is called from Python (i.e. with that data).
Then you should use that recorded data in your C++ unittests.
Even if you don't ever have to cross the boundary between languages during debugging, there are still benefits to be had from a debugger with more integrated support - for example, it can show Python representations of objects that were passed to your C++ code.
Even if your debugger had not that feature, it would still be useful. My point is that a good developer should need your debugger only on special cases (e.g. when you don't have access to all the code).
The problem with using the mix (when you actually write the C++ code yourself) is that debugging it is a major pain in the ass
Only if you don't use the C/C++ code as an independent module, as it should be. If you *must* debug it in parallel, you're designing it wrong.
You forgot Alice. But most importantly, you forgot the "interest in maintaining the data". When people have easy access to the data, it will be replicated. I don't think what happened to, for instance, the Dr. Who episodes that were lost, could happen again. At that time only a handful of people had access to the films... nowadays you can find practically anything on bittorrent / www.
I can still run my MSX games from ~30 years ago. All it takes is interest in maintaining the data. If it is important -- and some even if it isn't -- somebody will maintain it.
Damn, you are right! The worse part is that I just assumed it was Java because it was slow (the whole startup behavior matched the Java timing pattern), but I never actually verified. In the end it was just terrible coding... ;)
I apologize for my misinfo and prejudice...
I use plenty of Java applications, I have an Android phone. I was referring to those that I have to run a JVM in my computer, sorry for being vague.
I only use two Java applications: Liferea (after google reader died) and Jitsi. When I start them, I can feel the sadness in my computer. They take ages to startup, but granted, after they've started they're just like any regular native application. Though Jitsi doesn't integrate well with gtk3, but overall it is pretty good.
I'm curious as well.
I use mine as a XMPP server. The following was before I had a blackout here (Sept. 16):
dmbasso@raspberrypi ~ $ uptime
11:46:25 up 180 days, 10:47, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
It was not my comment, though I agree with it. I just quoted the GP and emphasized that part. ;)
You and those who up-voted your post didn't read the emphasized part:
Corporations (which control the government effectively anyway) are worse than any government at this point.
I suggest that some people need to grow up, and realise that the West is the absolute paragon of virtue compared to what Russia, China and Muslim countries are doing.
I suggest that some people need to wake up, and realise that while the West is currently the absolute paragon of virtue (compared to what Russia, China and Muslim countries are doing) we must not take that condition for granted.
FTFY.
I shudder to think what will happen to the world when the baton of world domination is handed to these despots.
Yep, me too. That's exactly the reason I don't want "the West" to become them.
"I don't know what I'll do in office, but you can bet your ass it won't be to try and create a better society!"
I see you're eagerly waiting for the Republican primaries.
If you can't see how people who are starving [...]
I'll not repeat myself.
But your username d(u)mbasso shows that's not the case,
Nice ad hominem! :) I guess that's what's left when you don't have actual arguments...
so I can only laugh at your pathetically small penis.
... no, you can always go further down! :)
[...]have all deemed Azure safe from external hackers.
Yep, the internal hackers are assured.
Meaningful contribution:
- giving support for health care systems, etc.
Sinking the ship:
- giving support for installing spyware on citizens' computers.
If you can't see how the later is prone to be abused then you're really naive. But your signature shows that's not the case, and I can only laugh at the hypocrisy.
You could make a simulation using genetic algorithms to find the best code to avoid or revert the exception.
Nice strawman[1]. [...] Now, your poor use of cognitive errors aside[2]
[1] there's no strawman here :)
[2] quite ironic
Because you're what's left.
I've never been in the US, and I have no plans to go there.
In other news, it may be shocking for you, but not everyone wants to turn everything into a political cause.
It may be shocking to you, but ignoring an issue is a political action, regardless of you being aware or not.
if we don't focus our energy we accomplish nothing. [...] You can't be a part of every cause, you have to pick a few and focus on those, otherwise you won't accomplish much of anything, anywhere.
Yep, I agree on that.
Now, if you want to go down with the ship, you go man. I'll be on the life boat floating off thattaway, noting that your noble sacrifice gave me a place to put my feet up.
That's where your analogy breaks, you're not only floating away, when you say "If signing up for some 'cyber reserve army' is what's needed" you are actually contributing to sink the ship... not the one you left, but the one you're about to board.
[...] dying or starving to death for the noble cause [...]
I'm pretty sure that 90%* or more of people here are far from that risk. People like you and me have the option to chose where we're going to work, the only matter is how much you're willing to be paid. I rather have a lower income and be sure I'm a positive element in society than the other way around. That's not "somebody else's political statement", that's my political statement, because I want to live in a better society. If your world-view is "it's a lost cause, let me make it worse", than no, no pardon given. And please reflect more about it, because you are part of the problem.
* statistics out-of-my-ass
That's exactly how the system works, make people dependent of "a job that pays the bills", even if that job is against what we agree are human rights. And while you are just a small gear in this machine, happily turning while the machine hums idly, don't complain when someone takes control of it and uses it as what it was really designed for. 1984 ftw.
Perhaps he just eats too much chocolate.
Indeed, I stand corrected.
The actual statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v7YtTnon90
Even the summary states they hand over very little. Much less than I had anticipated.
If you believe them. I mean, we all should believe everything they broadcast, right? Like Mr. Clapper rubbing his forehead while saying in the congress hearing "we do not willingly collect any data on American citizens". Yeah, sure.
The few times some soldiers were caught doing something like that, it were a major scandal and they got prosecuted
Oh really? So please tell me what happened to the murderers in the "Collateral Murder" video?
Hint: http://www.policymic.com/articles/57263/collateral-murder-shooters-bradley-manning-exposed-go-free-while-he-goes-to-prison
s/-do were/-do was/
And just for clarification, I've been using Unity for only around a year because I waited as long as I could before I had to upgrade libraries and stuff. The upgrade to Gnome/gtk 3 broke all my gedit plugins, and I didn't have time to adapt them. Recently I decided to try Pluma (MATE's version of gedit), and it was a piece of cake to make plugins work.
So I can't thank you enough, MATE crew, you guys are awesome!
Exactly, some of my friends that used Ubuntu highly recommend Mint. But I think I'm switching back to Debian with MATE, let's see.
Funny thing is Canonical announced they were going to accept donations more or less at the same time they made the switch to Unity. At first I thought "great, I'll be able to easily show my support", but then I learned about the crap Unity was (and still is). After a year of using Unity I can safely say that it pisses me off (like when accidentally launching an application with meta+number) without bringing any advantage for my use case. The Dash is a joke... gnome-do were much better at it, even if I had to install the mono crap.