The concern I have is, Will the GPL protect someone who impliments a kernel extension of the same nature as TUX in say Darwin. Will RedHat try to go after Apple? Or does the GPL protect Apple in this case even though it is not using GPL'ed code, just concepts from GPL'ed code.
There have been cases before where politics, not best use dictate what software to use. The federal govt. own regs (so I have been told by people who sell into that biz) prohibit the Federal govt. from standardizing on a platform. They must choose the best platform for the job. MS has succesfully used the tactic, they tried to use at the Pentagon, for years on other OS vendors (Apple mainly.) Linux needs to keep its eye out. Redmond now has the largest lobbying operation in Washington D.C. The current generation of congressman to grow up in the information age, as many of us have.
On the other hand I had a chance to chat with a Wind River salesman for there development toolsthe other day over beer. (I don't do embeded work so this was on the casual conversation side, and he had no reason to tell me bogus stuff.) He said that he expected to sell more embedded development tools for Linux. (There tools are available.) He hadn't. No demand. Either the people using Linux embeded are not using Wind River or that is just a sign of the times.
He also said Wind River owns 60%+ of all there target markets.
The free software movement claims that the GPL preserves freedom. Most people don't see there freedom being infringed on by software. Most don't read the license. People Microsoft Office because it works well. If Star Office comes out with the polish of MS Office for 3/4 the price then that will be a different story. Linux has succeded because it is free, and it works as well as Solaris or AIX in most situations. Real Users (READ: NOT GEEKS) don't care about licensing. Grandma just wants something easy to use.
Apple's relationship with Adobe is incredibly close. Also, Adobe has 0 competition on either Windows or Mac OS X . GIMP is not competiton. Adobe canned the beta of FrameMaker. Mac OS X is UNIX. 95% of the code is open source. Apple will do everything in its power to convince Adobe not to release there stuff for Linux. Animation may be a high profile business for Adobe, but Apple's business is much much larger. It would not suprise me to hear that Pixar is migrating to Mac OS X. One shop does it and I bet other shops will too. Adobe knows that if it holds out long enough people will migrate to Mac OS X just have all there machines on one OS. Remember, Pixar, Dreamworks, and Disney don't give a crap about Linux or "Free software." They give a crap about getting therre job done in the most cost effective efficent manner. They will go to Mac OS X , and with it comes Photoshop.
It would not suprise me if the US all ready had a petaflop of super computing power or more in one machine. The box might sit down at some government agency like the NSA (the worlds largest employer of mathmaticians) and be classified so that no person without a clearance and need to know will ever know about it. At least for thirty years or so.
Disclaimer: I have no clearance , so this is sheer speculation on my part.
I think the BSD license provides maxamized value for tax payer software. If you release something under GPL that was funded by tax-payers. You limit the amount of people who can use it. Companies that want to link (Apple's Aqua interface) closed libraries can't. This limits the usefullness of the software to taxpayers. Remember taxpayers are individuals AND corporations.
People may be interested to know that there have been open source trusted operating systems for years. The most notable being Flash from the University of Utah. SE-Linux, SE-Darwin, and TrustedBSD actually have the same ancestry.
If the work is classified. To even tell the FSF or the author, that there is a violation of the GPL could be espionage. Remember, classified, etc. means don't tell anyone! If you notice, most software licenses have a clause that says that if this is a US government user, then this software is classified as XXXX clause.
Apple is has its own compiler group. That I am sure contributes back to the gcc tree, since most of Apple's development tools are based on GNU technologies. That being said: Doesn't that mean that Red Hat is going to focus a few more developers on gcc for G4/altivec chips? In addition to what Apple all ready has. A big deal, but not THAT big of deal.
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It seems that the company that wrote cups has a interesting business model. It is licensing CUPS to non-GPL friendly companies (EG. Anything that is not a Linux distro.) , and that is how it plans to make money. Apple like most of the *BSD's, prefers to touch GPL software with a ten foot pole.
I hear (Government) from the few place's that have Linux desktops. I here that Apple is starting to eat that up. With Mac OS X, because Mac's are a Unix now. They are not just for writing memo's anymore. Plus people don't have to worry about file formats.
LUG's usually beneift a small group of individuals. Thiis is why they are denied. You need to show that you are benefiting the public in some way. Not the members of the LUG's.
Try looking at a association, which is a 501(c)6 .
Be very carefull when forming a non-profit, there are over 26 different kinds, and everyone of them has restrictions. That the IRS will not hesitate to pounce on you for , and hold its manager liable.
"Great for MacOS X folks, not very relevant to the rest of the Unix world. "
Actually it matters quite a bit to the Unix world. Every Unix has differenent API's. Carbon is just another API.
This is no different then saying Oracle on Linux matters to only Linux users. It doesn't . Because it presents you with options. Microsoft X on Mac OS X is a hand above the Windows version. Entourage is essentially Outlook with NNTP, POP, and IMAP built into it. Instead of having to use gateways on the Exchange server.
You want a Unix on the desktop , you got it. Mac OS X may not be perfect, but it is a huge step in the right direction (95% open source is better then 0% open source.)
You obviously need to think a little deeper then three meters you see in front of you.
The majority of Apple's components are the same as Dell's, Compaq's, Gateways. The video cards, pci slots, mother boards , etc. The major difference is in the chip, and Open Firmware. All these components are in ample supply for all hardware makers. The powerpc chips are used in a lot of other places then Apple. All PC vendors ( with the exception of Compaq, and Sony) use commodity parts. Some vendors (Apple, Dell, IBM) pay more, because they prefer higher quality parts that have a low DOA rate due to higher QA standards. When all the people who replied to my post, pass that class in economics in college let me know. Supply and demand in Apple's situation doesn't hold up , only because the parts they buy are in the same demand as everybody else. Also Apple's profit margins are higher, and the prices very competive with PC's.
>1) Second hand Apple market is about 1/20th >the size of the second hand PC market >therefore supply is lower, price is higher.
That may be the case, but your logic makes no sense. Apple internals are largely identical to PC's wit the exception of the chips, and better quality PC parts.
>2) Everybody and their mother sells PC >components but there are relatively few >Apple resellers and pretty much no Apple >component sellers.
Again, Apple uses the same hard drives, the same RAM, the same PCI cards, the same peripherials. Now if you mean purchasing a mother board off the shelf and BYOB then yes that would be difficult.
Obviously you are clueless about Apple's market, and what goes into there machines. You should be labeled a troll, and not insightfull.
2) Prices on Ebay are incredibly inflated for everything. I seen items like digital cameras go for $400 when I could buy the same camera from Best Buy for $360 and online for $300.
This I will agree with you on. I find ebay still good to buy dated computers, other assorted antiques and curiosities.
The author seems to miss the fact that , while oil was part of the equation. 100's of thousands of Somali's were on the verge of dying of starvation. There was a two pronged cause here. At least one half by anyone's standards would be very noble.
I noticed in the CNET article that it said the patent holders were currently hammering out licensing terms.
Doesn't this mean that in order for MPEG-4 to run on Linux/*BSD that it someone or some organization would have to navigate the patent waters first?
I am quite happy being opressed. I am using Mac OS X 10.1, and while it has its low points. Mac OS X 10.1 has more high points. I write things in Python, and write VB macros for MS Office. Quit happy.
The world is not perfect, but it is a pretty good blend.
Funny, i thought Anthrax had been occuring naturally for millions of years. That must be the US Army killing 20+ Elephants a year with Anthrax in Africa.
While most Unix administrators fell into their positions. Eg. Right place right time. I think you need to look at getting some training. Forget the CS degree.
I had a friend who broke in at 32. He went off and got certified on Sun, and their E10K's. It helped him get his foot in the door. He was lucky though. Also concentrate on learning a scripting language or two like Perl. You need to have skills that will make you stand out from the rest of the crowd.
Compaq Tru64 is mushed together with HP-UX. Talk about to totally different Unix's. Remember HP-UX, very strong in manufacturing, but don't ask what SAM can do for you, ask what it can do to you.
Then there is Tru64. Tru64 hands down has the easiest and best clustering in the industry. A reputation as a real number cruncher. Part of this of course was because of the Alpha. Now what?
Maybe we will get lucky and Apple will purchase Tru64 from HP/Compaq. That would make it realy sweet!!!!
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The concern I have is, Will the GPL protect someone who impliments a kernel extension of the same nature as TUX in say Darwin. Will RedHat try to go after Apple? Or does the GPL protect Apple in this case even though it is not using GPL'ed code, just concepts from GPL'ed code.
There have been cases before where politics, not best use dictate what software to use. The federal govt. own regs (so I have been told by people who sell into that biz) prohibit the Federal govt. from standardizing on a platform. They must choose the best platform for the job. MS has succesfully used the tactic, they tried to use at the Pentagon, for years on other OS vendors (Apple mainly.)
Linux needs to keep its eye out. Redmond now has the largest lobbying operation in Washington D.C. The current generation of congressman to grow up in the information age, as many of us have.
On the other hand I had a chance to chat with a Wind River salesman for there development toolsthe other day over beer.
(I don't do embeded work so this was on the casual conversation side, and he had no reason to tell me bogus stuff.) He said that he expected to sell more embedded development tools for Linux. (There tools are available.) He hadn't. No demand. Either the people using Linux embeded are not using Wind River or that is just a sign of the times.
He also said Wind River owns 60%+ of all there target markets.
The free software movement claims that the GPL preserves freedom.
Most people don't see there freedom being infringed on by software. Most don't read the license.
People Microsoft Office because it works well. If Star Office comes out with the polish of MS Office for 3/4 the price then that will be a different story.
Linux has succeded because it is free, and it works as well as Solaris or AIX in most situations.
Real Users (READ: NOT GEEKS) don't care about licensing. Grandma just wants something easy to use.
Apple's relationship with Adobe is incredibly close. Also, Adobe has 0 competition on either Windows or Mac OS X . GIMP is not competiton. Adobe canned the beta of FrameMaker. Mac OS X is UNIX. 95% of the code is open source.
Apple will do everything in its power to convince Adobe not to release there stuff for Linux. Animation may be a high profile business for Adobe, but Apple's business is much much larger.
It would not suprise me to hear that Pixar is migrating to Mac OS X. One shop does it and I bet other shops will too. Adobe knows that if it holds out long enough people will migrate to Mac OS X just have all there machines on one OS. Remember, Pixar, Dreamworks, and Disney don't give a crap about Linux or "Free software." They give a crap about getting therre job done in the most cost effective efficent manner.
They will go to Mac OS X , and with it comes Photoshop.
It would not suprise me if the US all ready had a petaflop of super computing power or more in one machine. The box might sit down at some government agency like the NSA (the worlds largest employer of mathmaticians) and be classified so that no person without a clearance and need to know will ever know about it. At least for thirty years or so.
Disclaimer:
I have no clearance , so this is sheer speculation on my part.
I think the BSD license provides maxamized value for tax payer software. If you release something under GPL that was funded by tax-payers. You limit the amount of people who can use it. Companies that want to link (Apple's Aqua interface) closed libraries can't. This limits the usefullness of the software to taxpayers. Remember taxpayers are individuals AND corporations.
People may be interested to know that there have been open source trusted operating systems for years. The most notable being Flash from the University of Utah.
SE-Linux, SE-Darwin, and TrustedBSD actually have the same ancestry.
TrustedBSD - http://www.trustedbsd.org
SE-Darwin - http://www.stosdarwin.org/
Cheers,
Thomas Vincent
Am I the only who is impressed that a essay written by a member of the free software community is only 3/4 of a page?
My god, a concise well thought out essay. On todays internet, god forbid!
If the work is classified. To even tell the FSF or the author, that there is a violation of the GPL could be espionage.
Remember, classified, etc. means don't tell anyone!
If you notice, most software licenses have a clause that says that if this is a US government user, then this software is classified as XXXX clause.
Plus, I think Apple added altivec support to GCC 3.0 .
Apple is has its own compiler group. That I am sure contributes back to the gcc tree, since most of Apple's development tools are based on GNU technologies. That being said:
Doesn't that mean that Red Hat is going to focus a few more developers on gcc for G4/altivec chips? In addition to what Apple all ready has. A big deal, but not THAT big of deal.
It seems that the company that wrote cups has a interesting business model. It is licensing CUPS to non-GPL friendly companies (EG. Anything that is not a Linux distro.) , and that is how it plans to make money. Apple like most of the *BSD's, prefers to touch GPL software with a ten foot pole.
I hear (Government) from the few place's that have Linux desktops. I here that Apple is starting to eat that up. With Mac OS X, because Mac's are a Unix now. They are not just for writing memo's anymore. Plus people don't have to worry about file formats.
LUG's usually beneift a small group of individuals. Thiis is why they are denied. You need to show that you are benefiting the public in some way. Not the members of the LUG's.
Try looking at a association, which is a 501(c)6 .
Be very carefull when forming a non-profit, there are over 26 different kinds, and everyone of them has restrictions. That the IRS will not hesitate to pounce on you for , and hold its manager liable.
Cheers,
Tomas
"Great for MacOS X folks, not very relevant to the rest of the Unix world. "
Actually it matters quite a bit to the Unix world. Every Unix has differenent API's. Carbon is just another API.
This is no different then saying Oracle on Linux matters to only Linux users. It doesn't . Because it presents you with options. Microsoft X on Mac OS X is a hand above the Windows version. Entourage is essentially Outlook with NNTP, POP, and IMAP built into it. Instead of having to use gateways on the Exchange server.
You want a Unix on the desktop , you got it. Mac OS X may not be perfect, but it is a huge step in the right direction (95% open source is better then 0% open source.)
You obviously need to think a little deeper then three meters you see in front of you.
The majority of Apple's components are the same as Dell's, Compaq's, Gateways. The video cards, pci slots, mother boards , etc. The major difference is in the chip, and Open Firmware. All these components are in ample supply for all hardware makers. The powerpc chips are used in a lot of other places then Apple. All PC vendors ( with the exception of Compaq, and Sony) use commodity parts. Some vendors (Apple, Dell, IBM) pay more, because they prefer higher quality parts that have a low DOA rate due to higher QA standards. When all the people who replied to my post, pass that class in economics in college let me know. Supply and demand in Apple's situation doesn't hold up , only because the parts they buy are in the same demand as everybody else. Also Apple's profit margins are higher, and the prices very competive with PC's.
>1) Second hand Apple market is about 1/20th >the size of the second hand PC market >therefore supply is lower, price is higher.
That may be the case, but your logic makes no sense. Apple internals are largely identical to PC's wit the exception of the chips, and better quality PC parts.
>2) Everybody and their mother sells PC >components but there are relatively few >Apple resellers and pretty much no Apple >component sellers.
Again, Apple uses the same hard drives, the same RAM, the same PCI cards, the same peripherials. Now if you mean purchasing a mother board off the shelf and BYOB then yes that would be difficult.
Obviously you are clueless about Apple's market, and what goes into there machines. You should be labeled a troll, and not insightfull.
2) Prices on Ebay are incredibly inflated for everything. I seen items like digital cameras go for $400 when I could buy the same camera from Best Buy for $360 and online for $300.
This I will agree with you on. I find ebay still good to buy dated computers, other assorted antiques and curiosities.
The author seems to miss the fact that , while oil was part of the equation. 100's of thousands of Somali's were on the verge of dying of starvation. There was a two pronged cause here. At least one half by anyone's standards would be very noble.
I noticed in the CNET article that it said the patent holders were currently hammering out licensing terms.
Doesn't this mean that in order for MPEG-4 to run on Linux/*BSD that it someone or some organization would have to navigate the patent waters first?
I am quite happy being opressed. I am using Mac OS X 10.1, and while it has its low points. Mac OS X 10.1 has more high points. I write things in Python, and write VB macros for MS Office. Quit happy.
The world is not perfect, but it is a pretty good blend.
Funny, i thought Anthrax had been occuring naturally for millions of years. That must be the US Army killing 20+ Elephants a year with Anthrax in Africa.
While most Unix administrators fell into their positions. Eg. Right place right time. I think you need to look at getting some training. Forget the CS degree.
I had a friend who broke in at 32. He went off and got certified on Sun, and their E10K's. It helped him get his foot in the door. He was lucky though. Also concentrate on learning a scripting language or two like Perl. You need to have skills that will make you stand out from the rest of the crowd.
Numbness, Why , and then rage....
Compaq Tru64 is mushed together with HP-UX. Talk about to totally different Unix's. Remember HP-UX, very strong in manufacturing, but don't ask what SAM can do for you, ask what it can do to you.
Then there is Tru64. Tru64 hands down has the easiest and best clustering in the industry. A reputation as a real number cruncher. Part of this of course was because of the Alpha. Now what?
Maybe we will get lucky and Apple will purchase Tru64 from HP/Compaq. That would make it realy sweet!!!!