One good use is for video rendering or image rendering people who don't want to pay for the highly expensive top of the line cards.
From: http://forums.overclockers-network.com/cgi-bin/ult imatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=005704 I was using V7100(with a res of 2360x960 32bit and 70hzrefresh).... until my radeons came in and with the v7100 I could move 250,000 polys in real time with a little bit of lag.... now with the Radeon8500 I can work with scenes up to 1,000,000 polys with no lag...just beautifly real time flow!...just to bogg it down to the same lag as the V7100 I have to open 1,500,000 polys!
I'm not sure I understad the market that this is shooting for.
Back in the day, overclocking was all about getting the best performance out of a cheaper processor. For example, a $75 Celeron 366 overclocked to 550 would rival the performance of the $500 PII 550.
Grassroots watercooling did the same thing. It allowed people to reap more benifits out of a processor using cheapo parts they bought at their local auto parts stores. A used radiator, fish tank pump, tubing, and some epoxy to affix some home made heat remover directly to the core would cost just a few bucks. Watercoolers used to be an elite group of self doers, but now adays you can buy premade kits for just about anything.
Today, we've got $100 heat sinks, and $250 watercooled cases at a time where overclocking no longer yields significant percentages in processing power and where more than just the processor is a bottleneck.
Spending $35 on a Duron 750 and watercooling it to a gig or more doesn't seem that appealing when you realize 1 gig T-birds are only about $70.
Anyway, my conclusion is this: this product seems silly.
One of the main reasons for watercooling is that if offers a much quieter alternative to the 60db Black label Deltas. However I don' quite understand this:
Sound Level: Very Quiet With Athlon XP 1800+
As far as the noise level is concerned, the new Koolance system is not quite as inconspicuous as the old one. At medium heat levels in the processor core, the three fans can produce quite a racket.
the new Koolance system offers high cooling performance and a low noise level
I went to my local Toys R Us today and the guy told me "Friday" but the sticker said $50 and a quick UPC scan said it was $50. It is better than ordering online because you can check the make date. Reports are that pre Sept/Nov 2000 models can boot CD-Rs and my local store had July 2000s along with lots of Sept Nov models.
Apparently anything before November (or September according to some) 2000 will work. I just went to Toys-R-Us and all they had were July 2000s and also Sept/Nov 2000s.
I had expected that the ones in stock would be more recent, but getting a pre Sept 2000 shouldn't be too difficult if you want to be safe.
What's wrong wth scalping? It is a simple matter of supply and demand. If there is a demand for one at a price then it should be a right to sell it. By selling it at a price below what someone would pay you are depriving the product from the hands of someone who is willing to pay more for it but can't get to the store in time.
That guy is a true capitalist. You my friend, sound to me like a commie. You aren't a commie, are you?:)
}-- all that from a 100 level intro econ class:p
(Note, I'm not saying capitalism or communism is good or bad, just showing a point that I don't think scalping is bad. It's like paying a premium for a service that makes the product more likely to be available.)
Virtually none of the "Name" brands manufacture their own laptops... For example an ODM named Compal makes the Dell Inspiron 5000e, the ChemBOOK 3015,
the PowerNotebooks.com PowerPro III:16
Therefore it would probably be better getting the powernotebooks model for a lot cheaper.
OEMs might get huge kickbacks for buying from Intel, but if they went exclusively AMD wouldn't they get the same kickbacks? And since AMD chips are cheaper to start with, they would still be cheaper with kickbacks than an Intel with kickbacks.
Seeing as how no big companies have switched to exclusive AMD, a failing OEM could stand to make a deal with AMD and sell their systems at the same prices and advertise their CPUs as superior but as a result make a lot of profit.
I look forward to good values on eBay when 2GHz is "obsolete."
Why??
Let's see... you can wait a year until the 2ghz P4 drops to $100 and get one used on ebay, OR, you can take that $100 today and buy a new 1.4ghz AMD Thunderbird. You get similar performance... but on yea, you don't have to wait a friggen year!
How much you pay = amount of money + transaction cost. A years worth of computing sure has value to me!
Most linux users are used to getting their software for free anyway, and probably have the technical savvy to score free versions of any software released.
No. Those are tech savvy Windows users. I argue that most linux users understand the value of their free software and contribute accordingly. If I like a distro I'll donate or buy a boxed set. If I like a game that is in Linux, then I'll pay a reasonable price for it.
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It is funny how people will talk about the instability of AMD chips, but never mention that they've even used one. I personally will only buy AMD for now because they are cheaper and have more power than anything Intel has to offer. So I conscede that I don't have any of the top of the line chips, but I can argue quality and stability any day. I personally run a Duron 800@1000 and a Thunderbird 800@880 stable 18 hours a day every day. Never had a crash in Linux yet. So whose fault is it if you can't get an AMD chip stable?
Look in the Linux kernel source code -- VIA chipsets have many PCI quirks that Intel boards just dont have.
What does that have to do with anything? Since when does a PCI quirk that is patched have anything to do with stability/quality/performance? If it is patched, it doesn't matter! Furthermore, since when is VIA = AMD? I thougt you were saying AMD wasn't stable? Oh wait.. you're contradicting yourself. Not only does AMD make chipsets, but so does SIS and ALi. Oh wait.. that means there isn't a monopoly and you aren't paying for overpriced chipsets.. sorry:)
BTW, if you have a P4 2gig, I'm sorry. Likely you paid $600 for it, and I could have bought a dual AMD mobo and a pair of 1.4 giggers for the same price of your single CPU. Now do you want to talk performance?
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The XPs have the problem that their L1 bridges (which are the ones controlling the multiplier lock) are not only cut but have small troughs between them where they are cut. I will assume that the Palominos have the same problem, otherwise it would be a trivial pencil trick to unlock.
1. Clean out the troughs. They have scorch marks
2. Use tape to cover the bridges, but expose the troughs, and fill them with some glue of sorts, then sand them down level
3. Use pencil trick or conductive ink.
4. Change multiplier as you like.
If you use one of the VIA boards (not sure about the DDR ones, but the SDR for sure) you can run the CPU at 200mhz bus, down from 266, but then bump the memory bus back up to where you want it since they are seperate.
There are several guides online on how to do this. A quick search should yield several.
I've played a lot of Warcraft 2, and despite its simplicity there is some strategy if you look for it.
Off hand, here's what I remember that I would do that resembles a real war scenario:
Take the capital: Most people only build one town hall/castle, so I would send in a block of demolition teams protected by a couple doomed paladins and take out their Castle. This sets them back a lot because likely, they have to build a new town hall before they can do anything else. Likewise in war, if you take the capital it is usually over
There are supply lines: If you build a town around a gold mine and it crumbles, you have to spread your resources and mine more gold. Usually, those second establishments aren't too protected, and if they are the player often can't watch both the main base and the secondary gold mine well enough to prevent an attack. Go in and sacrifice a hand full of knights to take out all the gold miners, and the enemy is set back for a good amount of time.
Multiple prong attacks: the problem with maps is that they usually have a corner per person, so the attack is always known to be from one side. I usually build up enough guys then blast my way around back and attack from 2 or 3 sides. Usually the backs aren't well defended and with a 3 prong attack the enemy usually can't defend
If you spread yourself out, it is hard to organize. Just like in real war, if you expand too far and build too many little cities, a normal human can't watch and efficiently produce in all of those cities. That's where the comptuer has he advantage of being able to control everything at once.
Multiple lines: When you go in for the assault, you can have to diversify troops. I bring in knights and archers, so that while the knights stall the enemy by attacking them, the archers can provide back up from a safe distance.. meanwhile in the chaos, take out their important buildings so that even if you lose all your men you set them back a good bit.
Speaking of the uninformed.. let me suggest that one reason we can't switch to a new architecture is because everybody and their mother runs Windows (ignore the recursiveness of that statement!). Moving from C-64 to Amiga had people grumbling, but moving from x86 to something else is going to have people NOT BUYING. We're talking people who don't have a clue about megahertzes not mattering, new architecture is going to confuse the hell out of the normal web surfer and they likely won't buy it. These companies are of course after profit, and so have to stick with x86
..but I've heard that if you put your hard drive in the freezer for awhile it will be revived long enough to back stuff up until it thaws. Your mileage will vary though, of course.
You have to remember that what most people want out of an operating system is the GUI. They don't care what is running under the hood. That is why I think the statement is accurate. You have the KDEs and GNOMES that look like Windows, but at the same time they are skinnable to look like mac.
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One good use is for video rendering or image rendering people who don't want to pay for the highly expensive top of the line cards.
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I was using V7100(with a res of 2360x960 32bit and 70hzrefresh).... until my radeons came in and with the v7100 I could move 250,000 polys in real time with a little bit of lag.... now with the Radeon8500 I can work with scenes up to 1,000,000 polys with no lag...just beautifly real time flow!...just to bogg it down to the same lag as the V7100 I have to open 1,500,000 polys!
porn sites are going to spam me with www.screw.us?
I'm not sure I understad the market that this is shooting for.
Back in the day, overclocking was all about getting the best performance out of a cheaper processor. For example, a $75 Celeron 366 overclocked to 550 would rival the performance of the $500 PII 550.
Grassroots watercooling did the same thing. It allowed people to reap more benifits out of a processor using cheapo parts they bought at their local auto parts stores. A used radiator, fish tank pump, tubing, and some epoxy to affix some home made heat remover directly to the core would cost just a few bucks. Watercoolers used to be an elite group of self doers, but now adays you can buy premade kits for just about anything.
Today, we've got $100 heat sinks, and $250 watercooled cases at a time where overclocking no longer yields significant percentages in processing power and where more than just the processor is a bottleneck.
Spending $35 on a Duron 750 and watercooling it to a gig or more doesn't seem that appealing when you realize 1 gig T-birds are only about $70.
Anyway, my conclusion is this: this product seems silly.
One of the main reasons for watercooling is that if offers a much quieter alternative to the 60db Black label Deltas. However I don' quite understand this:
Sound Level: Very Quiet With Athlon XP 1800+
As far as the noise level is concerned, the new Koolance system is not quite as inconspicuous as the old one. At medium heat levels in the processor core, the three fans can produce quite a racket.
the new Koolance system offers high cooling performance and a low noise level
WTF? I don't no idea what he's saying!
I went to my local Toys R Us today and the guy told me "Friday" but the sticker said $50 and a quick UPC scan said it was $50. It is better than ordering online because you can check the make date. Reports are that pre Sept/Nov 2000 models can boot CD-Rs and my local store had July 2000s along with lots of Sept Nov models.
Apparently anything before November (or September according to some) 2000 will work. I just went to Toys-R-Us and all they had were July 2000s and also Sept/Nov 2000s.
I had expected that the ones in stock would be more recent, but getting a pre Sept 2000 shouldn't be too difficult if you want to be safe.
What's wrong wth scalping? It is a simple matter of supply and demand. If there is a demand for one at a price then it should be a right to sell it. By selling it at a price below what someone would pay you are depriving the product from the hands of someone who is willing to pay more for it but can't get to the store in time.
:)
:p
That guy is a true capitalist. You my friend, sound to me like a commie. You aren't a commie, are you?
}-- all that from a 100 level intro econ class
(Note, I'm not saying capitalism or communism is good or bad, just showing a point that I don't think scalping is bad. It's like paying a premium for a service that makes the product more likely to be available.)
Well they didn't have terrorism in Orwell's 1984, right?
Next we won't need to vote because terrorists could go to the polls and vote for terrorist friendly politicians
wiposucks.com is taken, but wiposucks.net isn't!
What if you hated sucksucks.com? Then you would have to buy sucksuckssucks.com? Truely bizarre
Note that some of Dell's laptops aren't worth it. Read this:
http://www.powernotebooks.com/Name_Brand.php3
Virtually none of the "Name" brands manufacture their own laptops... For example an ODM named Compal makes the Dell Inspiron 5000e, the ChemBOOK 3015,
the PowerNotebooks.com PowerPro III:16
Therefore it would probably be better getting the powernotebooks model for a lot cheaper.
Lack of SMP support means you run two instances of the client. You can hardly use that excuse to discredit the client.
OEMs might get huge kickbacks for buying from Intel, but if they went exclusively AMD wouldn't they get the same kickbacks? And since AMD chips are cheaper to start with, they would still be cheaper with kickbacks than an Intel with kickbacks.
Seeing as how no big companies have switched to exclusive AMD, a failing OEM could stand to make a deal with AMD and sell their systems at the same prices and advertise their CPUs as superior but as a result make a lot of profit.
On your credit card transaction:
Security
We employ reasonable and current security methods to prevent unauthorized access, maintain data accuracy, and ensure correct use of information.
Well, we thought the "Keep Out" sign on the server door was reasonable...
It isn't uncommon to see somebody with their computer submerged in Mineral Oil, which is nonconductive, and the bath in turn refrigerated.
For example, http://www.drffreeze.com/News.htm
but it hasn't been updated in quite awhile
I look forward to good values on eBay when 2GHz is "obsolete."
Why??
Let's see... you can wait a year until the 2ghz P4 drops to $100 and get one used on ebay, OR, you can take that $100 today and buy a new 1.4ghz AMD Thunderbird. You get similar performance... but on yea, you don't have to wait a friggen year!
How much you pay = amount of money + transaction cost. A years worth of computing sure has value to me!
Most linux users are used to getting their software for free anyway, and probably have the technical savvy to score free versions of any software released.
No. Those are tech savvy Windows users. I argue that most linux users understand the value of their free software and contribute accordingly. If I like a distro I'll donate or buy a boxed set. If I like a game that is in Linux, then I'll pay a reasonable price for it.
It is funny how people will talk about the instability of AMD chips, but never mention that they've even used one. I personally will only buy AMD for now because they are cheaper and have more power than anything Intel has to offer. So I conscede that I don't have any of the top of the line chips, but I can argue quality and stability any day. I personally run a Duron 800@1000 and a Thunderbird 800@880 stable 18 hours a day every day. Never had a crash in Linux yet. So whose fault is it if you can't get an AMD chip stable?
:)
Look in the Linux kernel source code -- VIA chipsets have many PCI quirks that Intel boards just dont have.
What does that have to do with anything? Since when does a PCI quirk that is patched have anything to do with stability/quality/performance? If it is patched, it doesn't matter! Furthermore, since when is VIA = AMD? I thougt you were saying AMD wasn't stable? Oh wait.. you're contradicting yourself. Not only does AMD make chipsets, but so does SIS and ALi. Oh wait.. that means there isn't a monopoly and you aren't paying for overpriced chipsets.. sorry
BTW, if you have a P4 2gig, I'm sorry. Likely you paid $600 for it, and I could have bought a dual AMD mobo and a pair of 1.4 giggers for the same price of your single CPU. Now do you want to talk performance?
The XPs have the problem that their L1 bridges (which are the ones controlling the multiplier lock) are not only cut but have small troughs between them where they are cut. I will assume that the Palominos have the same problem, otherwise it would be a trivial pencil trick to unlock.
1. Clean out the troughs. They have scorch marks
2. Use tape to cover the bridges, but expose the troughs, and fill them with some glue of sorts, then sand them down level
3. Use pencil trick or conductive ink.
4. Change multiplier as you like.
If you use one of the VIA boards (not sure about the DDR ones, but the SDR for sure) you can run the CPU at 200mhz bus, down from 266, but then bump the memory bus back up to where you want it since they are seperate.
There are several guides online on how to do this. A quick search should yield several.
I've played a lot of Warcraft 2, and despite its simplicity there is some strategy if you look for it.
Off hand, here's what I remember that I would do that resembles a real war scenario:
Take the capital: Most people only build one town hall/castle, so I would send in a block of demolition teams protected by a couple doomed paladins and take out their Castle. This sets them back a lot because likely, they have to build a new town hall before they can do anything else. Likewise in war, if you take the capital it is usually over
There are supply lines: If you build a town around a gold mine and it crumbles, you have to spread your resources and mine more gold. Usually, those second establishments aren't too protected, and if they are the player often can't watch both the main base and the secondary gold mine well enough to prevent an attack. Go in and sacrifice a hand full of knights to take out all the gold miners, and the enemy is set back for a good amount of time.
Multiple prong attacks: the problem with maps is that they usually have a corner per person, so the attack is always known to be from one side. I usually build up enough guys then blast my way around back and attack from 2 or 3 sides. Usually the backs aren't well defended and with a 3 prong attack the enemy usually can't defend
If you spread yourself out, it is hard to organize. Just like in real war, if you expand too far and build too many little cities, a normal human can't watch and efficiently produce in all of those cities. That's where the comptuer has he advantage of being able to control everything at once.
Multiple lines: When you go in for the assault, you can have to diversify troops. I bring in knights and archers, so that while the knights stall the enemy by attacking them, the archers can provide back up from a safe distance.. meanwhile in the chaos, take out their important buildings so that even if you lose all your men you set them back a good bit.
Speaking of the uninformed.. let me suggest that one reason we can't switch to a new architecture is because everybody and their mother runs Windows (ignore the recursiveness of that statement!). Moving from C-64 to Amiga had people grumbling, but moving from x86 to something else is going to have people NOT BUYING. We're talking people who don't have a clue about megahertzes not mattering, new architecture is going to confuse the hell out of the normal web surfer and they likely won't buy it. These companies are of course after profit, and so have to stick with x86
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:)
Actually my home MP3 collection is totally legal.
/quote
I think that means that his home ogg collection and non-home collection aren't
..but I've heard that if you put your hard drive in the freezer for awhile it will be revived long enough to back stuff up until it thaws. Your mileage will vary though, of course.
Hey, I read Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy, so I know!
The AIWs do this too, just no mention.
For power point I use Star Office.
You have to remember that what most people want out of an operating system is the GUI. They don't care what is running under the hood. That is why I think the statement is accurate. You have the KDEs and GNOMES that look like Windows, but at the same time they are skinnable to look like mac.