Check out http://www.flex.com/sign_up/ if you are in Hawaii. $10 a month for unlimited dial up. No tech support. They give you the numbers you need and that's it. Best of all, they bash AOL users and post their hate mail:)
Wouldn't a cash less society put drug dealers out of business? One point of cash is that anonyminity of a transaction (legal or not), and also to provide a low transaction cost for a purchase (don't need to wait for approval, power to come back on etc.)
that should say 6 seconds, not 6 minutes. I believe AMD's spec is that a K7 will die in six seconds without any cooling.
On the two AMD DDR boards that I've played with, there is a new BIOS setting that allows the motherboard to power down the machine after a specific temperature. I have mine set to kill when the motherboard's thermal probe measures over 65c.
This is a great feature, and thankfully I've never had the pleasure of testing it out. Hopefully it responds better than the on-die thermal diode of the Palominos.
Last night my friends and I were up until 2:30 am setting up our bathroom server! We were trying to get debian on a P133, 420 meg hard drive to be a mail server that would go on the window ledge in our bathroom, (for no reason at all other than to block outsider's view of the inside), giving all of us user@bathroom.res.cmu.edu email addresses. As well as a small write up at http://bathroom.res.cmu.edu This article is like an insult to our failure:)
Hopefully we will have finished the project by late Sunday, so we can say things like:
The normal user sees clock speed as a measure of performance. Clearly it isn't, and so AMD is moving to model numbers that use higher numbers. Tom says a A1600 is "as fast" as a P4 1.6ghz, however this still relys on clock speed as a measurement!
They need to move away from clock speed and to real world output. I think a good idea would be do name their CPUs after something like the number of FLOPS or MIPS the processor is capable of, much like Apple has done (except that AMD and Intel are both x86 for the sake of this argument, and so it might actually have an effect), unfortunately, neither Apple nor AMD has the market share or reputation to start a new trend, especially since the Intel PR machine has the "clock speed" crown and is likely in no hurry to reveal how weak a P4 has to be in order to reach the higher clock speeds.
This is quickily moving out of my range of understanding, but from my humble point of view and limited understanding, it shouldn't matter what instruction set was used to compute the values, the end result is the same in either case. It is a matter of which does it more quickily...
From my point of view, it is like a car race... it doesn't matter which care you use to get there, but the one that gets there first is better/faster/has a better implementation of instruction sets (ie, therefore is faster)
Notice that current motherboards are not able to handle the thermal diode because they didn't exist at the time the boards were manufactured. Instead, one will have to rely on the onboard external sensor until new mobos are released.
Now I see why my Hexus benchmark post on the Athlon article didn't get modded up.. it was because it was important enough to get on the benchmarks article...
This is how your average joe thinks when walking into a computer store for his new computer.
The average joe I know is too computer illiterate to know that Intel has a "reputation" and go with the cheaper AMDs. I know that doesn't stand for most people, but those that I know also have me advising them to avoid the P4 at all costs (no pun intended:) )
It seems that the new core and its new extensions puts it far ahead of the Spitfire core and nearly up to par with the current Thunderbirds. It will be interesting seeing durons compared to P4s in the near future:)
If " A film will remain on a computer's hard drive for 30 days but will erase itself 24 hours after it is first run" is all, then burn a copy onto a CD so that it won't be able to erase itself.
of course the old changing the clock in the BIOS trick might work too:)
Yes but to my knowledge, those are larger.. this briefcase is only around 5" high. I had to take the shielding off the power supply to get it to close. As a server, I don't need CD/floppy drives, only a network connection and power.
Though for LAN boxen, yes, those large toolbox suitcases do work pretty well.
What will happen if we flame macs out of existance so that MS is able to pick up its megar market share? To the common user, Macs have a high market share to Linux (I believe this is true, mod me down if I'm wrong.. I have no data), and so MS will effectively have the entire monopoly. This will screw linux users because then new hardware will be even more MS (read not=Linux) friendly. (ie, Plug and Play, winmodems)
"For example an ODM named Compal makes the Dell Inspiron 5000e, the ChemBOOK 3015,
the PowerNotebooks.com PowerPro III:16,
the Sceptre SoundX S6600 (14.1") and S6900 and 6902 (15")...and
they are all the same laptop, just with different names on them!"
Buying from lesser known companies could potentially net you the same laptop for less. I bought a Umax T333, and I thought it sucked. Umax support was crap, and replacement parts impossible to find. Then, I found out that it is the same model as the Kapok 1100 and the ProStar 1200, then finding BIOSes, drivers, and batteries was simple.
If you are looking for an older laptop, consider one with a cpu that has multiplier controls. Mine is a K6-2 333, so everything is configured via dip switches. I can run the 333@166 and lower all the voltage settings for a cool running laptop that still runs Linux and E with ease. I've gotten my battery time from 2.5 hours up to 3.5-4.0 hours. I'm glad I ordered the cheapest laptop that money could buy two years ago. I now have no regrets.
Sure, for most of us, save for games, a 166mhz processor is enough. I use that example because I run my laptop's AMD K6-2 333@166 (vcore 2.2@1.8, I/O 3.3@2.5) and it runs Enlightenment as well as I need, and at that usually at 0% load. For games, there isn't much of a gain from 1.33ghz to 1.4, as stated in the article. However, they don't make mention of people who NEED the full 1.4ghz. People who do rendering and other CPU intensive applications are the people who need to pay the premium. If you were rendring a scene or movie for money, the difference between the 66mhz and $25 could potentially be hours, days, or profits. Nobody buys a 66mhz faster CPU for $25 more thinking how much faster they can compile a kernel, but leading edge has its purposes.
Of course, some people just like to brag, and ego can be worth $25
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Check out http://www.flex.com/sign_up/ if you are in Hawaii. $10 a month for unlimited dial up. No tech support. They give you the numbers you need and that's it. Best of all, they bash AOL users and post their hate mail :)
Wouldn't a cash less society put drug dealers out of business? One point of cash is that anonyminity of a transaction (legal or not), and also to provide a low transaction cost for a purchase (don't need to wait for approval, power to come back on etc.)
that should say 6 seconds, not 6 minutes. I believe AMD's spec is that a K7 will die in six seconds without any cooling.
On the two AMD DDR boards that I've played with, there is a new BIOS setting that allows the motherboard to power down the machine after a specific temperature. I have mine set to kill when the motherboard's thermal probe measures over 65c.
This is a great feature, and thankfully I've never had the pleasure of testing it out. Hopefully it responds better than the on-die thermal diode of the Palominos.
We make an email server and put it in the bathroom.
http://blacktop.res.cmu.edu/mailserver.jpg We're still working out some networking troubles but you can try http://bathroom.res.cmu.edu/~tw
And no, a PII 233 is not old hardware. Anything pentium class or even 486 can make a linux server of almost any type.
Last night my friends and I were up until 2:30 am setting up our bathroom server! We were trying to get debian on a P133, 420 meg hard drive to be a mail server that would go on the window ledge in our bathroom, (for no reason at all other than to block outsider's view of the inside), giving all of us user@bathroom.res.cmu.edu email addresses. As well as a small write up at http://bathroom.res.cmu.edu This article is like an insult to our failure :)
Hopefully we will have finished the project by late Sunday, so we can say things like:
"Dude, have you flushed the logs yet?"
First it says "here are the instructions" then it says not to try it at home. Oh the irony!
The normal user sees clock speed as a measure of performance. Clearly it isn't, and so AMD is moving to model numbers that use higher numbers. Tom says a A1600 is "as fast" as a P4 1.6ghz, however this still relys on clock speed as a measurement!
They need to move away from clock speed and to real world output. I think a good idea would be do name their CPUs after something like the number of FLOPS or MIPS the processor is capable of, much like Apple has done (except that AMD and Intel are both x86 for the sake of this argument, and so it might actually have an effect), unfortunately, neither Apple nor AMD has the market share or reputation to start a new trend, especially since the Intel PR machine has the "clock speed" crown and is likely in no hurry to reveal how weak a P4 has to be in order to reach the higher clock speeds.
This is quickily moving out of my range of understanding, but from my humble point of view and limited understanding, it shouldn't matter what instruction set was used to compute the values, the end result is the same in either case. It is a matter of which does it more quickily...
:)
From my point of view, it is like a car race... it doesn't matter which care you use to get there, but the one that gets there first is better/faster/has a better implementation of instruction sets (ie, therefore is faster)
teach me the err of my ways
By saying AMD vs P4, I meant cpu power, not memory, though that is even close. I mistakenly said 1.7ghz instead of 1.6.
p4 ALU: 6140 FPU: 3920
AMD ALU: 5501 FPU: 4327
So maybe here, killed isn't the right word.. sorry
But, on the multimedia benchmark,
p4 Integer: 12610 Floating Point: 15600
AMD Integer: 17531 Floating Point: 20099
Almost 40% and 25% increases there... at almost the same clock speed.
Dispite you linking to goatse, keep in mind these are not my benches. They were done by a person who bought the hardware for his personal use.
Check out this link for benchmarks of a dual AMD overclocked to 1.6ghz. I simply crushes the dual P4 Xeon 1.7ghz
... their target be Microsoft or the creater of the virus? This is just as frivilous as suing mp3.com for allowing users to copy artist's work.
Notice that current motherboards are not able to handle the thermal diode because they didn't exist at the time the boards were manufactured. Instead, one will have to rely on the onboard external sensor until new mobos are released.
Now I see why my Hexus benchmark post on the Athlon article didn't get modded up.. it was because it was important enough to get on the benchmarks article...
This is how your average joe thinks when walking into a computer store for his new computer.
:) )
The average joe I know is too computer illiterate to know that Intel has a "reputation" and go with the cheaper AMDs. I know that doesn't stand for most people, but those that I know also have me advising them to avoid the P4 at all costs (no pun intended
It is Dell that is sleeping with Intel.. and M$. I believe Compaq has been offering AMD solutions for some time now.
I've read it has been delayed as well, though I can't remember where I read it at... nor can I find it.
Here are some early benches of the Morgan based Duron:
:)
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=211
It seems that the new core and its new extensions puts it far ahead of the Spitfire core and nearly up to par with the current Thunderbirds. It will be interesting seeing durons compared to P4s in the near future
If " A film will remain on a computer's hard drive for 30 days but will erase itself 24 hours after it is first run" is all, then burn a copy onto a CD so that it won't be able to erase itself.
:)
of course the old changing the clock in the BIOS trick might work too
Never will I have the guts to take it even near an airport :)
Yes but to my knowledge, those are larger.. this briefcase is only around 5" high. I had to take the shielding off the power supply to get it to close. As a server, I don't need CD/floppy drives, only a network connection and power.
Though for LAN boxen, yes, those large toolbox suitcases do work pretty well.
My self contained portable Linux server... :)
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/~tw/serv.jpg
This is plain to see. The machine is small enough, you can mount it inside your CRT monitor and have your own x86 imac!
What will happen if we flame macs out of existance so that MS is able to pick up its megar market share? To the common user, Macs have a high market share to Linux (I believe this is true, mod me down if I'm wrong.. I have no data), and so MS will effectively have the entire monopoly. This will screw linux users because then new hardware will be even more MS (read not=Linux) friendly. (ie, Plug and Play, winmodems)
One important thing is to do research! Many "OEMs" actually buy their laptops from other OEMs.
for example, check out this link
"For example an ODM named Compal makes the Dell Inspiron 5000e, the ChemBOOK 3015, the PowerNotebooks.com PowerPro III:16, the Sceptre SoundX S6600 (14.1") and S6900 and 6902 (15")...and they are all the same laptop, just with different names on them!"
Buying from lesser known companies could potentially net you the same laptop for less. I bought a Umax T333, and I thought it sucked. Umax support was crap, and replacement parts impossible to find. Then, I found out that it is the same model as the Kapok 1100 and the ProStar 1200, then finding BIOSes, drivers, and batteries was simple.
If you are looking for an older laptop, consider one with a cpu that has multiplier controls. Mine is a K6-2 333, so everything is configured via dip switches. I can run the 333@166 and lower all the voltage settings for a cool running laptop that still runs Linux and E with ease. I've gotten my battery time from 2.5 hours up to 3.5-4.0 hours. I'm glad I ordered the cheapest laptop that money could buy two years ago. I now have no regrets.
Sure, for most of us, save for games, a 166mhz processor is enough. I use that example because I run my laptop's AMD K6-2 333@166 (vcore 2.2@1.8, I/O 3.3@2.5) and it runs Enlightenment as well as I need, and at that usually at 0% load. For games, there isn't much of a gain from 1.33ghz to 1.4, as stated in the article. However, they don't make mention of people who NEED the full 1.4ghz. People who do rendering and other CPU intensive applications are the people who need to pay the premium. If you were rendring a scene or movie for money, the difference between the 66mhz and $25 could potentially be hours, days, or profits. Nobody buys a 66mhz faster CPU for $25 more thinking how much faster they can compile a kernel, but leading edge has its purposes.
Of course, some people just like to brag, and ego can be worth $25