One of the first things that the RFC says is, "It consolidates, updates and clarifies, but doesn't add new or change existing functionality".
Unfortunately, that is not the case here. It does indeed change existing functionality, in that RFC 821 allowed use of a CNAME in a HELO, and this specifically excludes that in an EHLO.
He says that AOL has never blocked clients, they're always trying to block servers.
Yet right now at this very moment, I get this:
(09:26:27) AOL Instant Messenger: You have been disconnected from the AOL Instant Message Service (SM) for accessing the AOL network using unauthorized software. You can download a FREE, fully featured, and authorized client, here http://www.aol.com/aim/download2.html.
It doesn't say "for using an unauthorized server", and it's telling me to download a different client.
I find it difficult to believe that it's only doing this to me. It seems more likely that it's doing it to everyone.
This, BTW, is with a GAIM RPM I downloaded from the main project page about a hour ago.
You think it's a good thing for a Free Software company to sell things to generate money for development of Free Software, but only if the things they're selling violate the Free Software ethic?
The net effect of them selling t-shirts and stuffed animals instead of Closed software would be more Free software, *AND* better community relations. The net effect of them putting all their monetary eggs into the Closed basket is an eventual slide into releasing more and more closed software.
They're teaching to the lowest common denominator, and the attitude (not all of them, but enough, and this is the attitude you need to succeed, so the administrators are even more likely to think this way) is that kids will "even out".
If you don't want your kid to "even out", you'd prefer he *STAY* smart, send him to a private school. They're not that expensive; here in Orlando, it's no more expensive than a year of day care.
If you can't afford private school, stop and think about whether you can afford to live on one paycheck more than you can afford to have stupid, indoctrinated kids.
Or move to a state where the government recognizes that if you aren't *USING* the government schools, you shouldn't be *PAYING* for the government schools.
The bottom line is, don't be so selfish that having a nicer car or being able to eat out every night is more important than getting your kids an education that isn't mass-produced.
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* * Nautilus Wow. The basic architecture is there. To you skeptics who look at Nautilus and say "it doesn't have feature X " or "it's too slow" I say, watch development closely, check out the hourlies, watch CVS commits, read the mailing list archives. A lot of cool stuff is coming.
Not trying to be flamebait here, but what do you say to us skeptics who say "all Nautilus did for me that was impressive was consume 160MB of RAM and make really great thumbnails for my pr0n"?
Seriously. It's chock full of "feature X", but YTF do I NEED feature X? More importantly, why do I need it more than 160MB of RAM?
Ok, I'll concede to the fact that RPM has a pretty good man page written for it.
Thank you. See, now that wasn't so hard, was it?
Go check out the stuff on freahmeat. A good chunk of that crap doesn't have a man page written - and if you're lucky, the developer happened to include a README.
What does that have to do with Linux? Other than the fact that those are written FOR Linux, not as a part of it.
Should we judge Windows by the quality of the documentation that comes with freeware for it, too?
Linux is incredibly well documented. Far more so than any version of Windows, ever. Some people have written programs that they have not documented well. That is their problem, not Linux's.
Most Linux distributions include mostly software that is well documented. Windows has commands that have existed for a decade and aren't documented, such as "subst", but I don't hear you decrying it as poorly-documented.
A very good case could be made that Linux is the most well-documented operating system ever written.
Half of the installs I try I have to force because they require "/usr/bin/perl". I installed perl from source, and there is, in fact, a/usr/bin/perl which is the full binary.
Give me one example. I'll bet you when I check it, it doesn't require/usr/bin/perl, it requires some perl RPM. In any event, so what? It tells you what it requires, you assess it visually, and then you install. No problem.
What do you want, quiet mangling of software in the background without letting you control what's going on, or complete control of the process? If you install anything outside the control of the package manager, you may have to take an extra step once in a while. The package manager can't prevent that, it can only make it possible to proceed despite it, and that's what it does.
RPM has easy-to-understand tools that you and the original poster don't seem to understand how to use. Who's fault is that?
Why? Dependencies. For instance, if you're trying to install GTK as a RedHat package, but you've already compiled GLIB using the source. Now, the GTK package won't install because it can't find GLIB in its "registery" (shudder)...
Nonsense. Have you ever used RPM?
What will happen in this circumstance is that RPM will tell you EXACTLY what dependencies are not met, which gives you the option to use a single command line option to tell it "ok, I know this dependency isn't met, go ahead and install".
BTW, dependencies can be created for things like "glib >= 1.2" or the like, which would match files installed from any other RPM, and even "requires
/usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0" which would find that file no matter how it got there.
So what you're decrying is:
1) Your own lack of knowledge regarding how to use the program.
2) The lack of knowledge or bad decisions of people who created certain packages.
In other words, FUD. RTFM and you won't have these problems.
You so called 'radio professionals' are so caught up in your industry's self-manufactured little world that you have totally lost contact with the real world.
Whatever resurgence there is right now in talk radio, it is all (and I do mean ALL) owed, for better or worse, to Howard Stern.
I don't disagree with that, in the FM band.
However, that doesn't mean that the rest of their broadcast day is necessarily filled with crap.
And the AM band is better than ever, too. Like I said, nowadays you can't sling a dead cat without hitting an NPR station, and nearly as easy to find classical.
The difference is that, 10 or 15 years ago, in larger markets, the DJs would occasionally play a local band JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
You really don't know much about the radio biz, do ya?
10 or 15 years ago, I was Music Director and Assistant PD for two stations in Oklahoma, and spent most of my free time socializing with my buddies from other radio stations, including folks from much larger markets and one guy who was syndicated on the Star Network. They all said the same things you're complaining have "changed" since then.
On just as many stations back then as now, you played what the Music Director said you played, or you went and looked for another job.
The difference nowadays is that there are more radio stations, about the same number of total jobs for DJs (because although there are a lot more stations, there are a lot more that play syndicated programming, so it evens out), and the jobs pay a lot more.
On one of the local stations, an alternative/college rock station, a DJ decided to play one of their songs and was promptly put on the vampire shift, for "playing music not in line with the station format and our corporate strategy."
He'd have gotten that same speech from our General Manager in 1986, only he'd have been representing the strategy of a much smaller corporation. (I.E., owning one station instead of 1,000).
Unfortunately, I simply cannot agree that replacing mom-and-pop radio stations with corporate affiliates is any better than replacing mom-and-pop stores with Wal-Marts.
But what we're talking about is replacing one mom-and-pop radio station with five corporate affiliates. That's the situation on your dial these days, overall.
Oh, I'm sure there will be half a dozen posts now from people who live in specific areas where things suck, but there are always half a dozen counter examples to anything.
However, opinions vary, and you are welcome to yours.
Mine is based on having done the job for years, and having kept my nose in it since then.
For the record, the reason that you don't hear anything decent on the radio anymore is, for a large part, due to the fact that approximately 90% of radio stations are owned by three companies.
I think radio right now is the best it's ever been.
I'm no expert, but I have been a #1-rated DJ (in a small market) and a Music Director / Assistant Program Director, so I'm not without expertise.
I recall a time when I could drive down I-10 or I-12 and hear nothing but Country stations, but now it's very rare for me to find a stretch of road where I can't pull in Classic Rock, Hip-Hop, even National Public Radio.
News/talk is seeing a resurgence it hasn't had since FM was invented, and a lot of it is in the FM band.
Those "three companies" are bringing economies of scale into the administration and advertising sales that results in a lot more money being available to pay the talent, upgrade the equipment, and license good programming.
Radio sucks the least it's ever sucked. I suspect that you think this because one radio station you liked changed formats and nobody replaced it. That has always happened, even at tiny little mom-and-pop radio stations in the rural midwest.
Thanks, but I prefer games that don't think SPAS means "Special Purpose Airsoft Shotgun", which the Tactical-Ops web page has said for at least six months.
(I assume you meant Tactical-Ops, not Tac-Ops, which is an old DOS wargame.)
The war on drugs is an unfortunate attempt by conservatives to impose their own blind view of proper private behavior upon others.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is funny! How many people watch a dirty movie that causes them to have the steering wheel melt out of their hands, and crash into a busload of nuns? At least the anti-drug nuts can show a possible avenue of harm to folks who have not chosen of their own free will to participate.
You can't show anything but your own assertion that pornography harms anyone. Sorry, you'll need more than assertions to get action from anybody except a bunch of bitter, frigid prudes.
Pornography, in contrast, is a public enterprise dealing in wares that are by definition non-consensual. No one can consent to participating in pornography, just as no one can consent to non-sexual slavery under the 13th amendment.
Ah, yes; here we have the claim of self-evident, revealed knowledge. It had to be coming, you insane fanatics always come around to it sooner or later. In fact, it sounds remarkably like the reasons Nazis give for Aryan superiority.
How about you provide some background for this belief, other than "Anne Marie says so".
Draw the line at exploitation. Are women being exploited? Then it's pornography and should be banned. It's important to understand these issues by the power bases they draw from and the hegemonies they perpetuate.
Congratulations, you have managed to come full circle; you *ARE* talking about banning sex scenes. And cheerleading. And surrogate mothers.
Curiously, you seem to think it's physically impossible to exploit men, and that no man could ever possibly be forced to participate in pornography.
Just because you don't like sex doesn't mean other women don't.
Are you then prepared to boycott any each and every other business and orginization that sells pornography?
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One of the first things that the RFC says is, "It consolidates, updates and clarifies, but doesn't add new or change existing functionality".
Unfortunately, that is not the case here. It does indeed change existing functionality, in that RFC 821 allowed use of a CNAME in a HELO, and this specifically excludes that in an EHLO.
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He says that AOL has never blocked clients, they're always trying to block servers.
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Yet right now at this very moment, I get this:
(09:26:27) AOL Instant Messenger: You have been disconnected from the AOL Instant Message Service (SM) for accessing the AOL network using unauthorized software. You can download a FREE, fully featured, and authorized client, here http://www.aol.com/aim/download2.html
It doesn't say "for using an unauthorized server", and it's telling me to download a different client.
I find it difficult to believe that it's only doing this to me. It seems more likely that it's doing it to everyone.
This, BTW, is with a GAIM RPM I downloaded from the main project page about a hour ago.
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when they intentionally did the exact opposite of apple's well-researched implementations in order to avoid getting sued by Jobs & co.
Read what you wrote again, and then answer your own questions as to why they don't do things "the Apple way".
Your argument here isn't with GNOME, or Microsoft either; your argument is with the Cupertino Mafia.
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Last week I succinctly explained why Yahoo's initial plans were a blight upon the consciences of the public.
Actually, troll, I believe the moderation you received wasn't "succint", it was "funny".
Which is all you really are; a funny example of post-Nazi fascism.
You're not even a very good troll.
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Let me get this straight:
You think it's a good thing for a Free Software company to sell things to generate money for development of Free Software, but only if the things they're selling violate the Free Software ethic?
The net effect of them selling t-shirts and stuffed animals instead of Closed software would be more Free software, *AND* better community relations. The net effect of them putting all their monetary eggs into the Closed basket is an eventual slide into releasing more and more closed software.
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Who's the idiot who moderated this "redundant"?
It was the first legitimate response to the story, how the hell can it be redundant?
If you're moderating, set for "oldest first (ignore threads" and shit like this won't happen.
Whomever you are, I'm off to remove one of your karma points now...
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Is it just me, or does "Handera" sound like a porn star?
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Stop sending your kids to the government schools.
They're teaching to the lowest common denominator, and the attitude (not all of them, but enough, and this is the attitude you need to succeed, so the administrators are even more likely to think this way) is that kids will "even out".
If you don't want your kid to "even out", you'd prefer he *STAY* smart, send him to a private school. They're not that expensive; here in Orlando, it's no more expensive than a year of day care.
If you can't afford private school, stop and think about whether you can afford to live on one paycheck more than you can afford to have stupid, indoctrinated kids.
Or move to a state where the government recognizes that if you aren't *USING* the government schools, you shouldn't be *PAYING* for the government schools.
The bottom line is, don't be so selfish that having a nicer car or being able to eat out every night is more important than getting your kids an education that isn't mass-produced.
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* * Nautilus Wow. The basic architecture is there. To you skeptics who look at Nautilus and say "it doesn't have feature X " or "it's too slow" I say, watch development closely, check out the hourlies, watch CVS commits, read the mailing list archives. A lot of cool stuff is coming.
Not trying to be flamebait here, but what do you say to us skeptics who say "all Nautilus did for me that was impressive was consume 160MB of RAM and make really great thumbnails for my pr0n"?
Seriously. It's chock full of "feature X", but YTF do I NEED feature X? More importantly, why do I need it more than 160MB of RAM?
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In the second to last paragraph, Dvorak accidentally let's slip his real motivation for his rant. He had trouble getting a ReplayTV unit to work.
He tried to make it a replacement for his VCR, but after 8 straight hours of work, he still couldn't get it to blink "12:00", so he gave up.
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They were thin-clients and AIX workstations.
Dvorak caught a glimpse of something and misunderstood what it was. That shouldn't surprise anybody.
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The religon of Islam itself forbits slavery completely.
It also forbids blowing up car bombs on city streets.
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Ok, I'll concede to the fact that RPM has a pretty good man page written for it.
Thank you. See, now that wasn't so hard, was it?
Go check out the stuff on freahmeat. A good chunk of that crap doesn't have a man page written - and if you're lucky, the developer happened to include a README.
What does that have to do with Linux? Other than the fact that those are written FOR Linux, not as a part of it.
Should we judge Windows by the quality of the documentation that comes with freeware for it, too?
Linux is incredibly well documented. Far more so than any version of Windows, ever. Some people have written programs that they have not documented well. That is their problem, not Linux's.
Most Linux distributions include mostly software that is well documented. Windows has commands that have existed for a decade and aren't documented, such as "subst", but I don't hear you decrying it as poorly-documented.
A very good case could be made that Linux is the most well-documented operating system ever written.
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Half of the installs I try I have to force because they require "/usr/bin/perl". I installed perl from source, and there is, in fact, a /usr/bin/perl which is the full binary.
/usr/bin/perl, it requires some perl RPM. In any event, so what? It tells you what it requires, you assess it visually, and then you install. No problem.
Give me one example. I'll bet you when I check it, it doesn't require
What do you want, quiet mangling of software in the background without letting you control what's going on, or complete control of the process? If you install anything outside the control of the package manager, you may have to take an extra step once in a while. The package manager can't prevent that, it can only make it possible to proceed despite it, and that's what it does.
RPM has easy-to-understand tools that you and the original poster don't seem to understand how to use. Who's fault is that?
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The problem is, with a vast majority of linux software, there is no FM to read.
[smcmahon@qward smcmahon]$ rpm -ql rpm
(much deleted, for brevity)
/usr/man/man1/gendiff.1.gz
/usr/man/man8/rpm.8.gz
/usr/man/man8/rpm2cpio.8.gz
/usr/man/pl/man8/rpm.8.gz
/usr/man/ru/man8/rpm.8.gz
/usr/man/ru/man8/rpm2cpio.8.gz
(the rest deleted)
We're not talking about the vast majority of Linux software, we're talking about RPM.
However, if we were talking about the vast majority of Linux software, you'd still be wrong.
"man man" and learn something.
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Why? Dependencies. For instance, if you're trying to install GTK as a RedHat package, but you've already compiled GLIB using the source. Now, the GTK package won't install because it can't find GLIB in its "registery" (shudder)...
Nonsense. Have you ever used RPM?
What will happen in this circumstance is that RPM will tell you EXACTLY what dependencies are not met, which gives you the option to use a single command line option to tell it "ok, I know this dependency isn't met, go ahead and install".
BTW, dependencies can be created for things like "glib >= 1.2" or the like, which would match files installed from any other RPM, and even "requires
/usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0" which would find that file no matter how it got there.
So what you're decrying is:
1) Your own lack of knowledge regarding how to use the program.
2) The lack of knowledge or bad decisions of people who created certain packages.
In other words, FUD. RTFM and you won't have these problems.
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You so called 'radio professionals' are so caught up in your industry's self-manufactured little world that you have totally lost contact with the real world.
I've been out of radio for over a decade, moron.
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Whatever resurgence there is right now in talk radio, it is all (and I do mean ALL) owed, for better or worse, to Howard Stern.
I don't disagree with that, in the FM band.
However, that doesn't mean that the rest of their broadcast day is necessarily filled with crap.
And the AM band is better than ever, too. Like I said, nowadays you can't sling a dead cat without hitting an NPR station, and nearly as easy to find classical.
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The difference is that, 10 or 15 years ago, in larger markets, the DJs would occasionally play a local band JUST BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO.
You really don't know much about the radio biz, do ya?
10 or 15 years ago, I was Music Director and Assistant PD for two stations in Oklahoma, and spent most of my free time socializing with my buddies from other radio stations, including folks from much larger markets and one guy who was syndicated on the Star Network. They all said the same things you're complaining have "changed" since then.
On just as many stations back then as now, you played what the Music Director said you played, or you went and looked for another job.
The difference nowadays is that there are more radio stations, about the same number of total jobs for DJs (because although there are a lot more stations, there are a lot more that play syndicated programming, so it evens out), and the jobs pay a lot more.
On one of the local stations, an alternative/college rock station, a DJ decided to play one of their songs and was promptly put on the vampire shift, for "playing music not in line with the station format and our corporate strategy."
He'd have gotten that same speech from our General Manager in 1986, only he'd have been representing the strategy of a much smaller corporation. (I.E., owning one station instead of 1,000).
Unfortunately, I simply cannot agree that replacing mom-and-pop radio stations with corporate affiliates is any better than replacing mom-and-pop stores with Wal-Marts.
But what we're talking about is replacing one mom-and-pop radio station with five corporate affiliates. That's the situation on your dial these days, overall.
Oh, I'm sure there will be half a dozen posts now from people who live in specific areas where things suck, but there are always half a dozen counter examples to anything.
However, opinions vary, and you are welcome to yours.
Mine is based on having done the job for years, and having kept my nose in it since then.
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For the record, the reason that you don't hear anything decent on the radio anymore is, for a large part, due to the fact that approximately 90% of radio stations are owned by three companies.
I think radio right now is the best it's ever been.
I'm no expert, but I have been a #1-rated DJ (in a small market) and a Music Director / Assistant Program Director, so I'm not without expertise.
I recall a time when I could drive down I-10 or I-12 and hear nothing but Country stations, but now it's very rare for me to find a stretch of road where I can't pull in Classic Rock, Hip-Hop, even National Public Radio.
News/talk is seeing a resurgence it hasn't had since FM was invented, and a lot of it is in the FM band.
Those "three companies" are bringing economies of scale into the administration and advertising sales that results in a lot more money being available to pay the talent, upgrade the equipment, and license good programming.
Radio sucks the least it's ever sucked. I suspect that you think this because one radio station you liked changed formats and nobody replaced it. That has always happened, even at tiny little mom-and-pop radio stations in the rural midwest.
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The ViaVoice SDK and runtimes are still available for free, so if you don't like it, fix it.
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Go play Tac-Ops (which works under Linux).
Thanks, but I prefer games that don't think SPAS means "Special Purpose Airsoft Shotgun", which the Tactical-Ops web page has said for at least six months.
(I assume you meant Tactical-Ops, not Tac-Ops, which is an old DOS wargame.)
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I agree. Loki keeps coming out with games I don't want, so my Windows partition has to hang around.
Come out with Chaos Gate, Counter-Strike, Rogue Spear, and Swat 3, then we'll talk.
Just come out with Counter-Strike and Rogue spear, and I'll live without Chaos Gate and Swat 3.
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It doesn't take a nuclear rocket scientist to know that this stuff is capable of destroying whole countries.
And it doesn't take a geologist to know that the world is flat, or a biologist to know that maggots spontaneously generate from rotting meat.
As for the former, the Castle Bravo test literally destroyed the island in question and left nothing but a huge crater in its place.
That island was somewhat smaller than North America.
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The war on drugs is an unfortunate attempt by conservatives to impose their own blind view of proper private behavior upon others.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is funny! How many people watch a dirty movie that causes them to have the steering wheel melt out of their hands, and crash into a busload of nuns? At least the anti-drug nuts can show a possible avenue of harm to folks who have not chosen of their own free will to participate.
You can't show anything but your own assertion that pornography harms anyone. Sorry, you'll need more than assertions to get action from anybody except a bunch of bitter, frigid prudes.
Pornography, in contrast, is a public enterprise dealing in wares that are by definition non-consensual. No one can consent to participating in pornography, just as no one can consent to non-sexual slavery under the 13th amendment.
Ah, yes; here we have the claim of self-evident, revealed knowledge. It had to be coming, you insane fanatics always come around to it sooner or later. In fact, it sounds remarkably like the reasons Nazis give for Aryan superiority.
How about you provide some background for this belief, other than "Anne Marie says so".
Draw the line at exploitation. Are women being exploited? Then it's pornography and should be banned. It's important to understand these issues by the power bases they draw from and the hegemonies they perpetuate.
Congratulations, you have managed to come full circle; you *ARE* talking about banning sex scenes. And cheerleading. And surrogate mothers.
Curiously, you seem to think it's physically impossible to exploit men, and that no man could ever possibly be forced to participate in pornography.
Just because you don't like sex doesn't mean other women don't.
Are you then prepared to boycott any each and every other business and orginization that sells pornography?
Yes.
Great; well, Slashdot has porn posted on it every day. Please start your boycott. Go away.
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