And a lot of people get annoyed when they have to wait for the Java virtual machine to start up when they first visit a page containing an applet during a browsing session.
What application development language and deployment method do you recommend for applications that can be deployed from a web site to end users, even if the end users are not the administrator of the computer that they happen to be using?
There use to be this thing called applets. I like Java applets, but apparently there are only a few of us left.
But we need a client side scripting language, don't we? I mean, something has to fill that niche. Personally, I like JavaScript.
Javascript is not really a best first language to learn, I don't suppose. But my teenage son was more interested in it than in the C 'hello world' example I showed him, because he was familiar with web pages and web browsers and he could immediately see the implications.
My guess is that if you do a simple script that moves something around on the screen and then let him play around with it some, that this will spark his interest.
But, for example, in a Java applet, or even in JavaScript, the user downloads the code and executes it on the client. Why would this not be considered 'distribution'?
Right. But the point he makes a couple of times is that the original code is still available.
Another thing I would point out is that the OP makes all of his comments about the GPL assuming distribution. My understanding is that GPL code can be mixed and mingled with closed source code as long as the derived work is not distributed. Which may seem trivial, but I'm sure this happens plenty.
I think I'll hold out for the GPS tracking device that will eventually be planted under our skin. And I hate when people say, "but hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to be worried about". I want to say, "what if I am doing something wrong asshole"?
but would not renew it to get it to the next generation
Read: push out half baked buggy junk to make a quick buck and spend the next couple of years patching it before pushing out the next incomplete buggy version.
People don't buy Windows because Windows is better; they buy Windows to run applications. Plenty of games and vertical-market applications still don't work even on Wine.
IMO, they do no such of a thing. They buy 'Windows' because it is installed on the machine they purchase. The average user never really gives it much thought.
Furthermore, you drive home my point. Games are developed for Windows, not because it is the platform of choice for developers or users, but because it is the default OS. It's just not profitable for developers to consider releasing versions of their games that support other OS's. And every bit of that is contributed directly to Microsoft's monopoly on the desktop. It's a vicious cycle of shit
The very same thing is true for hardware. Sure Linux has huge support for hardware, but it's not because OEM's have bent over backwards to write Linux drivers.
By the way, there is no problem with 90% of people running gasoline engines. As long as the gasoline engines are not all manufactured by the same company.
Likewise, if 90% of passenger cars in the U.S. ran on gasoline, it would mean that either gasoline engines are way better or that they have unfair competitive advantage. Does the market share of of gas cars and diesel cars fit into your analogy?
I think if that was the only thing keeping me on MS's suckware, I would find a way around it.
The main reason businesses run Windows is the same exact reason most home owners run Windows, because it is the default OS. They never give it much consideration to begin with, it's just what comes in the box.
The fact that this monopoly has been allowed to continue all these years is outrageous, really. If 90% of people owned Fords, it would mean that either Fords are way better or that they have unfair competitive advantage.
The Microsoft monopoly in the OS market is the single greatest problem in technology today and the negative effects of the monopoly cascades in every direction.
Visio became popular, not based so much on its merits, which I'm sure it's a fine piece of software, but more because MS leverages the Windows monopoly to push software of every sort. People then used Visio and the closed, proprietary formats of Visio and now because they have so much work stored in these formats it is a deterrent to considering an alternative OS. The problem comes full circle.
and is easily defeated by the end user with Firefox and "NoScript".
Oddly placed plug, lol. It kinds of stands out. So would this problem also be defeated with people running IE with javasscript disabled?
Firefox is my browser of choice, I just thought this was a weird place to drop a 'NoScript' advertisement.
Cool, now I can gas up the 31 gallons in my Avalanche for less than $125. And my Toyota Corolla for less than $40.
~S
No. There is sure to be a forthcoming press release from the oil barons explaining why we're all still screwed.
You know, like the ones they send out in May, November, and December regarding travel. Robin Meade: "Due to people traveling for [summer vacation] [Thanksgiving] [Christmas], gas prices are expected to rise another $.50 per gallon".
Or when there's bad weather. Robin Meade: "In anticipation of gusty breezes in the Gulf, gas prices at the pump may blow you away." I love it when they make it sound cutesy.
I look forward to the first honest media release from the oil companies. Robin Meade: "Gas prices are going up. Why, you ask? Just for the hell of it, according to the CEO of Exxon. Who added 'nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in dodo' ".
When American liberals say they want freedom of choice, that they really mean is that they want to kill babies.
And this explains many of the contradictions of their 'ideology'.
Your statement made about as much sense as my paraphrase. This concludes my karma burn for the day. Thank you.
I'm not a liberal. I don't support roe v. wade. My statement makes perfect sense, and was not flame bait in the least.
American conservatives claim to want free markets, yet consistently support bail outs like the one in the subject of this thread. They also support various subsidies. Or rather, they pick and choose subsidies to support.
American conservatives claim to want free markets, yet support a wide array of market tinkering. Therefore, my conclusion that what they actually want is zero tax burden is perfectly sensible.
There are many, many fundamental inconsistencies with American conservatism. Modern American liberalism suffers from inconsistencies as well. That's not to say that inconsistency in political ideology is always a negative. I'm reminded of this every time a libertarian advocates private ownership of public roads and interstates.
My observation was not meant as a slander, yet I guess I should have realized that it would have been taken that way.:/
And, byw, the reason I had ideology in quotes in my first post is that I'm not sure it is a completely legitimate use of the term.
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But, how knows, maybe from all the people who are saved by modern medicine will come some of the positive mutations we are supposedly missing out on.
Internet Channel on Wii doesn't run them.
Wii is stupid.
More importantly, iPhone doesn't run them.
iPhone is even more stupid.
And a lot of people get annoyed when they have to wait for the Java virtual machine to start up when they first visit a page containing an applet during a browsing session.
People are stupid.
Ok, so that's my trolling for the day.
What application development language and deployment method do you recommend for applications that can be deployed from a web site to end users, even if the end users are not the administrator of the computer that they happen to be using?
There use to be this thing called applets. I like Java applets, but apparently there are only a few of us left.
But we need a client side scripting language, don't we? I mean, something has to fill that niche. Personally, I like JavaScript.
Maybe Slashdot editors did check the summary. Maybe they just wanted to see all of you dance.
You mean, internets.
And do you think the loose typing and automatic typecasting is a plus or a negative, in terms of first languages to learn?
(hey, I almost hit your buzzword.)
Javascript is not really a best first language to learn, I don't suppose. But my teenage son was more interested in it than in the C 'hello world' example I showed him, because he was familiar with web pages and web browsers and he could immediately see the implications.
My guess is that if you do a simple script that moves something around on the screen and then let him play around with it some, that this will spark his interest.
Good luck
But, for example, in a Java applet, or even in JavaScript, the user downloads the code and executes it on the client. Why would this not be considered 'distribution'?
Right. But the point he makes a couple of times is that the original code is still available.
Another thing I would point out is that the OP makes all of his comments about the GPL assuming distribution. My understanding is that GPL code can be mixed and mingled with closed source code as long as the derived work is not distributed. Which may seem trivial, but I'm sure this happens plenty.
I think I'll hold out for the GPS tracking device that will eventually be planted under our skin. And I hate when people say, "but hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to be worried about". I want to say, "what if I am doing something wrong asshole"?
Read: push out half baked buggy junk to make a quick buck and spend the next couple of years patching it before pushing out the next incomplete buggy version.
IMO, they do no such of a thing. They buy 'Windows' because it is installed on the machine they purchase. The average user never really gives it much thought.
Furthermore, you drive home my point. Games are developed for Windows, not because it is the platform of choice for developers or users, but because it is the default OS. It's just not profitable for developers to consider releasing versions of their games that support other OS's. And every bit of that is contributed directly to Microsoft's monopoly on the desktop. It's a vicious cycle of shit
The very same thing is true for hardware. Sure Linux has huge support for hardware, but it's not because OEM's have bent over backwards to write Linux drivers.
By the way, there is no problem with 90% of people running gasoline engines. As long as the gasoline engines are not all manufactured by the same company.
Apples and oranges.
Plus it depends on how you define 'better'.
I think if that was the only thing keeping me on MS's suckware, I would find a way around it.
The main reason businesses run Windows is the same exact reason most home owners run Windows, because it is the default OS. They never give it much consideration to begin with, it's just what comes in the box.
The fact that this monopoly has been allowed to continue all these years is outrageous, really. If 90% of people owned Fords, it would mean that either Fords are way better or that they have unfair competitive advantage.
The Microsoft monopoly in the OS market is the single greatest problem in technology today and the negative effects of the monopoly cascades in every direction.
Visio became popular, not based so much on its merits, which I'm sure it's a fine piece of software, but more because MS leverages the Windows monopoly to push software of every sort. People then used Visio and the closed, proprietary formats of Visio and now because they have so much work stored in these formats it is a deterrent to considering an alternative OS. The problem comes full circle.
So there's my anti-Microsoft rant for the day
Doesn't sound too flexible. Sounds rather rigid.
Sounds lovely. Of course, the 'relationship' could be that they bully, intimidate, and beat them with whips.
That's a relief. I was worried there for a while.
Bill Gates is Satan. There. You made me say it.
And one other.
[church lady]
I wonder who it could be...maybe....SATAN!!!! Well isn't that special.
[/church lady]
And in the 9th ring of hell. Amen.
Microsoft is doing a terrible job of copying Google, and normally they are so good at copying.
Let's download it right now!!!!
:|
Some people never learn.
No. There is sure to be a forthcoming press release from the oil barons explaining why we're all still screwed.
You know, like the ones they send out in May, November, and December regarding travel. Robin Meade: "Due to people traveling for [summer vacation] [Thanksgiving] [Christmas], gas prices are expected to rise another $.50 per gallon".
Or when there's bad weather. Robin Meade: "In anticipation of gusty breezes in the Gulf, gas prices at the pump may blow you away." I love it when they make it sound cutesy.
I look forward to the first honest media release from the oil companies. Robin Meade: "Gas prices are going up. Why, you ask? Just for the hell of it, according to the CEO of Exxon. Who added 'nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in dodo' ".
I'm not a liberal. I don't support roe v. wade. My statement makes perfect sense, and was not flame bait in the least.
American conservatives claim to want free markets, yet consistently support bail outs like the one in the subject of this thread. They also support various subsidies. Or rather, they pick and choose subsidies to support.
American conservatives claim to want free markets, yet support a wide array of market tinkering. Therefore, my conclusion that what they actually want is zero tax burden is perfectly sensible.
There are many, many fundamental inconsistencies with American conservatism. Modern American liberalism suffers from inconsistencies as well. That's not to say that inconsistency in political ideology is always a negative. I'm reminded of this every time a libertarian advocates private ownership of public roads and interstates.
My observation was not meant as a slander, yet I guess I should have realized that it would have been taken that way. :/
And, byw, the reason I had ideology in quotes in my first post is that I'm not sure it is a completely legitimate use of the term.