If Fiesty is solid and OpenOffice is made to work like MS Office then Microsoft is in trouble. Otherwise Linux will remain nothing more than a mosquito.
I'm sorry but I am confused your saying to unless OpenOffice clones office then Ubuntu will be nothing but a clone?
I think it would kinda suck if OpenOffice's goal was to just clone Microsoft. If you want MS Office on Linux then use wine or try and pressure the Office Team to make a copy for Linux systems.
One feature of OpenOffice that saved my girlfriend was that she was doing her dissertation last year and she did it in MS Word but to get it printed she needed it in PDF format. Now we were both busy at university and neither of us:
Wanted to waste money on a PDF converter for MS Word.
Had time to look for a free one for MS Word.
In the end we imported it into open office. Fixed the import errors and then used OpenOffice's native convert to PDF. Open Office isn't super great though because neither of us could figure out how to do Chapters (like you have on a book at the top of the page to show which one your on) in either Word or Office. Theres some kind of Hack to do it in Open Office but again, no time.
This isn't a Windows vs. Linux article. Its a Linux vs. Linux Article.
The screen resolution problem he was having was because he was using alpha software. Its like comparing Windows Longhorn as the final product for the end user. This version of Ubuntu still has a lot more testing to do before its being released.
So far we've had the following of Ubuntu Feistry Fawn: Herd 1, 2, 3, 4 and are currently on 5. These are "Alpha"s?
Next there is going to be "Release Candidate"s. These are "Beta"s? I can assure you that there are going to be at least RC1 and RC2 of Feisty before its released.
So any specific problems with Feisty Fawn should be commented on after its released not while it is still in Alpha.:D
I think the point the article was trying to make was that its easier then it has been on previous Linux Distributions not that its "ready for desktop" or that its "easier then windows" because the Author has previous Linux experience and compares different versions of Linux systems.
Don't take this article as a Windows vs Linux thing. Its a Linux vs Linux article.
Really? What bugs are non-issues? Tell me and I will look into it for you and report them to the bug tracker.
I have had problems with Dapper Drake and Edgy because I am using a laptop and every bug I have reported has been taken seriously. Please tell me so I can look into it for you.
I hope you will give Ubuntu another go when the next Long Term Support release comes out.:D
Theres already a few things that I like, although everyone is different of course these problems really bug me on Windows XP and wish/hope they fixed them in Vista or Vista+1..
- No need to defrag your system. - Can have lots and lots of files in the same folder without limit (not so important for everyone I guess) - When you cut and paste DVD movie files from one folder to another on the same Hard Drive its almost instant (as in doesn't copy anything just reallocates it). - When you copy files from one location to another and theres no space left it doesn't delete all the files that you just copied. - When you copy files to a new location it checks that there is enough space for it to copy all the files. - When your doing something CPU intensive it doesn't slow down the GUI. You can watch a movie even though the CPU is at 100% doing something else.
I hope this is the "Firefox wakeup" moment for Microsoft to improve their Desktop with these features too. Also there are many bad points about Ubuntu too but this would be my wish list for Windows.
Also the file copying feature that doesn't delete the files you copied is something windows needs a lot. Yesterday I was doing some data recovery with Knoppix to a USB pen and my boss kept saying "Check how big it is before you copy it". I didn't understand why until I asked him and he explained that its because it would delete the files if its too big for the USB pen.
I had to explain to him that doesn't happen on Linux systems only Windows. Does that happen on the Mac? I don't think it does..
I know your angry. I have a problem also with my Edgy Ubuntu laptop where I have to have wireless on to boot otherwise the whole thing freezes on boot (The reason for this bug is because of a closed source Intel wireless driver, not open source). This has also been fixed in Feisty but not Edgy.
BUT
Edgy is a Beta product and it is said many, many times on the Ubuntu website that if you want a stable version of Ubuntu to use Dapper Drake LTS (version 6.10... LTS=Long Term Support). I know its not what you want to hear, sorry and I hope you have better luck in the future.:D
I don't choose an OS because it boots faster then another one and I think both boot almost as fast.
I'm using Ubuntu Edgy on a Laptop and a Desktop. I don't think it loads as fast as XP but again, I don't really care about how fast it boots when its only a couple of extra seconds.
For the record I would guess my boot speeds to be as so..
Desktop:
Ubuntu Edgy - 35 Seconds - To the desktop and ready to launch.
Windows XP - 25 Seconds - To show the desktop
- extra 5 seconds - To be ready to load apps
I should also note I use Ubuntu more so it could just be that its loading more stuff up to begin with compared to my windows xp partition. I tried to install Vista but it said I didn't have enough space (needs more then 10 gig).:(
...I would rather they spent time making the Source engine use openGL so that game developers would be able to use the Source engine on the Playstation 3, Nintendo Wii, etc.
Unreal 3 is openGL hence why more companies are using that compared to Valve's Source engine. Hopefully they will get the hint sooner rather then later.
Both DirectX and openGL just tell the gfx card what to do. The fact that they decided to use DirectX which only works on Microsoft platforms for a game engine they're trying to license to other companies is pretty stupid from a business point of view.
.. Not let one state in one country change the how the Internet works for billions of people of hundreds of countries because they're afraid that their kids might see some naked people..
Microsoft is crafting a multifaceted plan to approach open source from a number of different levels: Linux as an operating system competitor; interoperability with Linux in mixed environments;
The main beef among open source advocates is Microsoft's refusal to put any of the licenses into the community for review and approval. Michael Tieman, president of the Open Source Initiative (OSI), says the community is more than willing to assess Microsoft's licenses on their merit, just like the GPL or other open source licenses. Direct discussions have been held over the years to no avail.
Its also the only time in the article the directly mention the GPL at all.
I see your point of view and you are completely correct. There is nothing you have said that is wrong.
I have also seen the same BS over and over from these "experts" as to why Linux "isn't ready for Desktop". I laugh at them from my Ubuntu Laptop, my first Linux distro with no prior knowledge of Linux before.
I have been using it for six months now and am very happy with being able to:
- download everything from one place - not having to defrag - not having to virus scan - not having to download drivers from 5 maybe 6 different websites - not having to update all my programs from 20 maybe 30 different websites.. and all the other complicated things you have to do with windows just to keep it running and secure.
To me that stuff is boring and I want it to just work!
When you upgrade you don't have to edit any configuration files, you only have to edit them once to get it working for your machine.
If Linux came pre-installed (which it already does. Just not by dell) then the idea is that the configuration files would already be set for your system by the manufacturer so you would not have to edit.conf files as you mention.
Everything would be setup to go for that specific machine out the box. You could even have a disk which reinstalls the operating system still with everything ready to go specific for that machine.
Sadly, most people think they should be able to buy a Dell PC running Linux for less than the cost of a Dell PC running Windows. In fact, they usually cost more.
If buying a PC from Dell with Linux is more expensive then the exact same PC with windows pre-installed then why not buy a PC with pre-installed windows, take pictures of yourself declining the windows license and ask for the windows license money back.
I remember a slashdot article a while back doing this with a Dell Laptop and they sent him a refund without any questions
Not only do you get exactly the same cheap PC hardware you get with the windows pre-install. You also get to save $50 on the license refund.
Not exactly the most reliable source of information.
You're right this article sucks, theres almost no information at all. In fact one might wonder if the man had ever tried a copy of a Linux based operating system.
It doesn't make a difference to me if the vending machine my character walks by says Soda or Cocoa-Cola.
That is ofcourse until:
- You can't shoot vending machines anymore because it worries the sponsors who want their adverts to be crystal clear.
- Vending machines seem to be all over the place in future games to generate more views.
- The product is in your face all the time (No advertising laws in Games!).
- It starts saying crap like "Drink more coke!" for the 100th time when you pass by the area of said vending machine.
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I'm sorry but I am confused your saying to unless OpenOffice clones office then Ubuntu will be nothing but a clone?
I think it would kinda suck if OpenOffice's goal was to just clone Microsoft. If you want MS Office on Linux then use wine or try and pressure the Office Team to make a copy for Linux systems.
One feature of OpenOffice that saved my girlfriend was that she was doing her dissertation last year and she did it in MS Word but to get it printed she needed it in PDF format. Now we were both busy at university and neither of us:
In the end we imported it into open office. Fixed the import errors and then used OpenOffice's native convert to PDF. Open Office isn't super great though because neither of us could figure out how to do Chapters (like you have on a book at the top of the page to show which one your on) in either Word or Office. Theres some kind of Hack to do it in Open Office but again, no time.
Hope they make it easier to write books in OO
This isn't a Windows vs. Linux article. Its a Linux vs. Linux Article.
:D
The screen resolution problem he was having was because he was using alpha software. Its like comparing Windows Longhorn as the final product for the end user. This version of Ubuntu still has a lot more testing to do before its being released.
So far we've had the following of Ubuntu Feistry Fawn: Herd 1, 2, 3, 4 and are currently on 5. These are "Alpha"s?
Next there is going to be "Release Candidate"s. These are "Beta"s? I can assure you that there are going to be at least RC1 and RC2 of Feisty before its released.
So any specific problems with Feisty Fawn should be commented on after its released not while it is still in Alpha.
I think the point the article was trying to make was that its easier then it has been on previous Linux Distributions not that its "ready for desktop" or that its "easier then windows" because the Author has previous Linux experience and compares different versions of Linux systems.
Don't take this article as a Windows vs Linux thing. Its a Linux vs Linux article.
Really? What bugs are non-issues? Tell me and I will look into it for you and report them to the bug tracker.
:D
I have had problems with Dapper Drake and Edgy because I am using a laptop and every bug I have reported has been taken seriously. Please tell me so I can look into it for you.
I hope you will give Ubuntu another go when the next Long Term Support release comes out.
Theres already a few things that I like, although everyone is different of course these problems really bug me on Windows XP and wish/hope they fixed them in Vista or Vista+1..
- No need to defrag your system.
- Can have lots and lots of files in the same folder without limit (not so important for everyone I guess)
- When you cut and paste DVD movie files from one folder to another on the same Hard Drive its almost instant (as in doesn't copy anything just reallocates it).
- When you copy files from one location to another and theres no space left it doesn't delete all the files that you just copied.
- When you copy files to a new location it checks that there is enough space for it to copy all the files.
- When your doing something CPU intensive it doesn't slow down the GUI. You can watch a movie even though the CPU is at 100% doing something else.
I hope this is the "Firefox wakeup" moment for Microsoft to improve their Desktop with these features too. Also there are many bad points about Ubuntu too but this would be my wish list for Windows.
Also the file copying feature that doesn't delete the files you copied is something windows needs a lot. Yesterday I was doing some data recovery with Knoppix to a USB pen and my boss kept saying "Check how big it is before you copy it". I didn't understand why until I asked him and he explained that its because it would delete the files if its too big for the USB pen.
I had to explain to him that doesn't happen on Linux systems only Windows. Does that happen on the Mac? I don't think it does..
I know your angry. I have a problem also with my Edgy Ubuntu laptop where I have to have wireless on to boot otherwise the whole thing freezes on boot (The reason for this bug is because of a closed source Intel wireless driver, not open source). This has also been fixed in Feisty but not Edgy.
BUT
Edgy is a Beta product and it is said many, many times on the Ubuntu website that if you want a stable version of Ubuntu to use Dapper Drake LTS (version 6.10... LTS=Long Term Support). I know its not what you want to hear, sorry and I hope you have better luck in the future.
I don't choose an OS because it boots faster then another one and I think both boot almost as fast.
:(
I'm using Ubuntu Edgy on a Laptop and a Desktop. I don't think it loads as fast as XP but again, I don't really care about how fast it boots when its only a couple of extra seconds.
For the record I would guess my boot speeds to be as so..
Desktop:
Ubuntu Edgy - 35 Seconds - To the desktop and ready to launch.
Windows XP - 25 Seconds - To show the desktop
- extra 5 seconds - To be ready to load apps
I should also note I use Ubuntu more so it could just be that its loading more stuff up to begin with compared to my windows xp partition. I tried to install Vista but it said I didn't have enough space (needs more then 10 gig).
thanks for derailing the thread and opening the whole DirectX vs. OpenGL holy war..
Maybe next time you'll stay on topic.
...I would rather they spent time making the Source engine use openGL so that game developers would be able to use the Source engine on the Playstation 3, Nintendo Wii, etc.
Unreal 3 is openGL hence why more companies are using that compared to Valve's Source engine. Hopefully they will get the hint sooner rather then later.
Both DirectX and openGL just tell the gfx card what to do. The fact that they decided to use DirectX which only works on Microsoft platforms for a game engine they're trying to license to other companies is pretty stupid from a business point of view.
... it must be true!!
.. Not let one state in one country change the how the Internet works for billions of people of hundreds of countries because they're afraid that their kids might see some naked people ..
Ok, I read the article and the problem is that someone at Microsoft will say one thing such as..
and then does the opposite spreading patent FUD.
Or how about this line..
while still trying to kill interoperability..
Microsoft is like the Aliens in the movie Mars Attacks. "We come in peace... We come in peace..." while they are running around killing people.
and then theres people like you. "Come on they're trying!" quoting all these articles...
Look at what Microsoft DO not what they SAY
The piece from the article says it all..
Its also the only time in the article the directly mention the GPL at all.
Is this something Dell over looked?
Canonical offer commercial support for Ubuntu including Phone and Email support.
...and this is different from Windows how?
Since when did grandma, dad, mum or your sister install graphics drivers on windows?
We must tell the French government! What will they do without being able to find their source code!?
I see your point of view and you are completely correct. There is nothing you have said that is wrong.
.. and all the other complicated things you have to do with windows just to keep it running and secure.
I have also seen the same BS over and over from these "experts" as to why Linux "isn't ready for Desktop". I laugh at them from my Ubuntu Laptop, my first Linux distro with no prior knowledge of Linux before.
I have been using it for six months now and am very happy with being able to:
- download everything from one place
- not having to defrag
- not having to virus scan
- not having to download drivers from 5 maybe 6 different websites
- not having to update all my programs from 20 maybe 30 different websites
To me that stuff is boring and I want it to just work!
Why the hell are you using vim when you can use a notepad alternative editor like gedit?
Nice attempt at trying to make it sound harder then it is but you fail miserably.
Unlike windows that makes you go and download/install drivers from the website again and again and again and again...
Yeah because a one click upgrade isn't worth mentioning..
Let me show you how to get Nvidia Gfx drivers working on Ubuntu..
Sooo hard? Also Ubuntu automatically updates your graphics drivers so you never have to keep tabs on if your using the latest drivers.
When you upgrade you don't have to edit any configuration files, you only have to edit them once to get it working for your machine.
.conf files as you mention.
If Linux came pre-installed (which it already does. Just not by dell) then the idea is that the configuration files would already be set for your system by the manufacturer so you would not have to edit
Everything would be setup to go for that specific machine out the box. You could even have a disk which reinstalls the operating system still with everything ready to go specific for that machine.
If buying a PC from Dell with Linux is more expensive then the exact same PC with windows pre-installed then why not buy a PC with pre-installed windows, take pictures of yourself declining the windows license and ask for the windows license money back.
I remember a slashdot article a while back doing this with a Dell Laptop and they sent him a refund without any questions
Not only do you get exactly the same cheap PC hardware you get with the windows pre-install. You also get to save $50 on the license refund.
How? I have two floss projects that I would like to do that with. Got a link?
You spelled "exploitation" wrong.
You're right this article sucks, theres almost no information at all. In fact one might wonder if the man had ever tried a copy of a Linux based operating system.
That is ofcourse until:
- You can't shoot vending machines anymore because it worries the sponsors who want their adverts to be crystal clear.
- Vending machines seem to be all over the place in future games to generate more views.
- The product is in your face all the time (No advertising laws in Games!).
- It starts saying crap like "Drink more coke!" for the 100th time when you pass by the area of said vending machine.