So, common courtesy should then dictate that the woman put the seat UP when she is done, since theoretically the man will be the next to use it.
Oh, and I don't recall ever having sat in piss. Because I can use MY fucking brain and learned to check the seat.:)
I don't understand why the whole toilet seat shit is made such a huge argument as if it's the end of the world anyway. It's a bloody toilet seat for chrissake, not a nuclear device (well, unless you got on the wrong side of a bean burrito but we won't go there).
What's so hard about putting down a seat? I mean yes, it would be unpleasant to stumble in the dark to try and sit down and find the toilet seat to be up.
But by the same token it would be unpleasant to wake up to find whiz on the seat after a guy's gone stumbling in the dark half-asleep.
So really, it's just as logical to train yourself to check the seat position as it is for the guy to have to do the same. If it's so much work for us to put a seat down, why are we putting all that work on him?
I mean sure, in my house I expect the seats to be down, but I also live here alone and I'm used to this idea that, as a guest, you leave things the way you found them.
Unfortunately because my parents' cats drink out of the toilet, they have to leave the lids down as well, so I have already had to train myself to be wary of stumbling in half-asleep. You think falling in is bad....
not everyone is as tech savvy as you seem to think.
Boy can I agree with this. *shudders* I've seen people who should be perfectly capable who had a horrific lack of computer knowledge. I've also seen people that, no matter how much you try to teach them, just don't get it. I don't consider myself very tech savvy for my generation, yet I was usually the person in my office who got shoved at people for computer help. It's enough to make you want to pull your hair out.
But even somebody like me isn't overly keen on switching to Linux. Lots of the other stuff on my computer is open source. Yeah, free is awesome, but if there's something better I can pay for that is suited to what I need, I'm usually going to fork over the money for it.
For example, GIMP has been an amazing tool for me while I'm half-broke but still wanting to do digital art. However, someday I still want photoshop, because GIMP has its limitations. As somebody with an interest in professional photography among other things, GIMP just doesn't cut it as a business solution to me. The controls aren't as fine-grain. It's a subsitute.
Not saying everything open source is that way, but you go with what suits your needs. And in offices where you've got people who, when put in front of a computer, turn into drooling orangutans who have to ask how to do every little thing, every time they do it (I wish I were exaggerating, but I have worked with people like that), the more user-friendly and mind-numbingly simple it is (which includes being *familiar* - and at the moment familiar usually means MS, though I know that sort of puts it into a cycle based on precedents but if you haven't noticed the world often works that way), the less likely you'll have to worry about Joe Idiot calling your tech guys 500 times a day to ask how to change his font.
Oh, it's not that I am pro-counterfeit sales or anything. I agree a big line is crossed when you start to make a profit (hey, I'm an artist myself - wanna use my stuff as a wallpaper I don't care, but sell it and you're on my shitlist.... and I may ask you how the heck you managed it since nobody buys my stuff from me, but that's so far from the point lol).
However, I also believe that the end does not always justify the means. If they call the real police, go them. Fine by me. Try to act like THEY are the police.... that disturbs me a bit.
the number of people who self-identify as "born again" Christians or fundamentalists is off the charts relative to almost any other western country you want to name
Dear gods, please, don't remind me.....
Granted if I recall correctly the education/religion connection was mostly on the more "sheepish" (my term, not theirs, obviously) who are.... well, a lot of them are the born-agains. x.x
I suppose I'm just weird. One of the educated types who isn't atheist, can't really call me agnostic either since I believe there IS something, I just don't have any defined religion. Largely because I don't much give a crap. I don't see any reason to run around trying to be some arbitrary definition of perfect just because somebody said I should. I just be me (unless I'm in public... damn social rules:P) and figure if I screwed up, oh well, if there's a hell at least all my friends are going.
So yeah, I have issues believing it's some "hard-wired" thing. There's not much reason for it to have stuck around, really. Not in as much prevalence as they're trying to claim. It seems more of a neutral thing to me.
The thing I've never understood (kinda a tangent I guess but the topic made me think of it) is why in so many religions, people think some all-powerful god who has to run the universe and all that fun stuff is as much of a nitpicker as they claim. I dunno, just think if I were master of the universe I'd have more important things to do than try to govern what you eat, what you wear, and who you screw. Or if I wanted to, just chuck in some kind of thing where people who break my rules burst immediately into flames. Because that would be both simpler AND more entertaining.
But then.... I would make a horrible god anyway.:P
But yeah, I am constantly driven nuts by the prevalence in the US. Not because I dislike any given religion itself, but we've got so many freaking zealots (I may deal with more of them than the average just because I live in the Midwest), and people that will vote based on religion rather than thinking "gee, will this person really be good at running a city/state/country" or something to that effect. But then, there also seems to be this common problem of people only following half of what they're supposed to be preaching (yeah, man, keep holding up your "god hates fags" sign while you eat your jumbo shrimp). Heywhoa that happens in laws too!
Agreed on the disturbing/fascinating dichotomy. I've read various stories about feral children - don't think I've seen the Discovery show you've mentioned, though. It is kind of interesting to hear about them.... though usually in classroom settings I've seen such cases used to argue the "critical age" for language acquisition.
Ahh biological egoism.
Really, it's not so much that we have a drive to kill each other and screw each other over, so much as a drive to take care of our own needs first.
But as for child development, children - heck any animal that can learn things - is pretty much a sponge at a young age, kinda following the examples presented to it.
If the parents fails to present a proper example, then various forms of media, people other than the parents (who may or may not set good examples), and for all we know even the family dog could become the kid's model (though thankfully I've never had a kid sniff my butt to greet me, I'm glad to say). And yes, I am aware of reinforcement patterns playing a part to - just that if nobody's reinforcing then more than likely the kid will go by modeling or just go by impulse or something.
But then, this is all just me spouting theory. I didn't really study child development in great depth, though we brushed by it in most of my psych classes.
It took a long while to develop civilization, training wild humans not to screw each other at every turn for fun or profit.
Wait... I thought being civilized was all about screwing each other at every turn for fun and profit.:P
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So, common courtesy should then dictate that the woman put the seat UP when she is done, since theoretically the man will be the next to use it.
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Oh, and I don't recall ever having sat in piss. Because I can use MY fucking brain and learned to check the seat.
I don't understand why the whole toilet seat shit is made such a huge argument as if it's the end of the world anyway. It's a bloody toilet seat for chrissake, not a nuclear device (well, unless you got on the wrong side of a bean burrito but we won't go there).
I'm a woman and I still think the toilet seat BS is nonsense.
Oh no! I have to put the seat back down! The world is going to end!!! *screams dramatically*
And I still stand by the fact that finding piss on the seat is no more pleasant than misjudging the position.
I take it you never have to go in the middle of the night when your brain's not quite fully functional.
You missed a couple options:
:P
If the person wants to stand and the seat is down, piss gets on seat.
If the person wants to sit and the seat is up, lower the seat.
You're right. I WOULD have thought you men would be more logical.
To throw another woman's opinion in the mix...
What's so hard about putting down a seat? I mean yes, it would be unpleasant to stumble in the dark to try and sit down and find the toilet seat to be up.
But by the same token it would be unpleasant to wake up to find whiz on the seat after a guy's gone stumbling in the dark half-asleep.
So really, it's just as logical to train yourself to check the seat position as it is for the guy to have to do the same. If it's so much work for us to put a seat down, why are we putting all that work on him?
I mean sure, in my house I expect the seats to be down, but I also live here alone and I'm used to this idea that, as a guest, you leave things the way you found them.
Unfortunately because my parents' cats drink out of the toilet, they have to leave the lids down as well, so I have already had to train myself to be wary of stumbling in half-asleep. You think falling in is bad....
Right, so this may get me yelled at or something for being a "non-geek" on slashdot, but:
I have NEVER known what those priority things are for, so I never touch them.
Hey, some chicks dig video games. :P
not everyone is as tech savvy as you seem to think.
Boy can I agree with this. *shudders* I've seen people who should be perfectly capable who had a horrific lack of computer knowledge. I've also seen people that, no matter how much you try to teach them, just don't get it. I don't consider myself very tech savvy for my generation, yet I was usually the person in my office who got shoved at people for computer help. It's enough to make you want to pull your hair out.
But even somebody like me isn't overly keen on switching to Linux. Lots of the other stuff on my computer is open source. Yeah, free is awesome, but if there's something better I can pay for that is suited to what I need, I'm usually going to fork over the money for it.
For example, GIMP has been an amazing tool for me while I'm half-broke but still wanting to do digital art. However, someday I still want photoshop, because GIMP has its limitations. As somebody with an interest in professional photography among other things, GIMP just doesn't cut it as a business solution to me. The controls aren't as fine-grain. It's a subsitute.
Not saying everything open source is that way, but you go with what suits your needs. And in offices where you've got people who, when put in front of a computer, turn into drooling orangutans who have to ask how to do every little thing, every time they do it (I wish I were exaggerating, but I have worked with people like that), the more user-friendly and mind-numbingly simple it is (which includes being *familiar* - and at the moment familiar usually means MS, though I know that sort of puts it into a cycle based on precedents but if you haven't noticed the world often works that way), the less likely you'll have to worry about Joe Idiot calling your tech guys 500 times a day to ask how to change his font.
Ummm, you buy a new computer.....
Wow, they finally got money to grow on trees, huh?
Uh... dude.... don't know if you realize this but he's DJed several parties. By request. He has good taste in music.
:P
Nice try to snark him though. Shame I know him better.
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Oh, it's not that I am pro-counterfeit sales or anything. I agree a big line is crossed when you start to make a profit (hey, I'm an artist myself - wanna use my stuff as a wallpaper I don't care, but sell it and you're on my shitlist.... and I may ask you how the heck you managed it since nobody buys my stuff from me, but that's so far from the point lol).
However, I also believe that the end does not always justify the means. If they call the real police, go them. Fine by me. Try to act like THEY are the police.... that disturbs me a bit.
I was moreover commenting on the first segment. This one: http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/music-industry-p uts-troops-in-the-streets/2111/
It's not the police officers that bug me. It's the part about them breaking in on people on their own that bothers me.
Last I remember, impersonating law enforcement was illegal.
Is it too optimistic to hope they'll get busted for it someday?
the number of people who self-identify as "born again" Christians or fundamentalists is off the charts relative to almost any other western country you want to name
:P) and figure if I screwed up, oh well, if there's a hell at least all my friends are going.
:P
Dear gods, please, don't remind me.....
Granted if I recall correctly the education/religion connection was mostly on the more "sheepish" (my term, not theirs, obviously) who are.... well, a lot of them are the born-agains. x.x
I suppose I'm just weird. One of the educated types who isn't atheist, can't really call me agnostic either since I believe there IS something, I just don't have any defined religion. Largely because I don't much give a crap. I don't see any reason to run around trying to be some arbitrary definition of perfect just because somebody said I should. I just be me (unless I'm in public... damn social rules
So yeah, I have issues believing it's some "hard-wired" thing. There's not much reason for it to have stuck around, really. Not in as much prevalence as they're trying to claim. It seems more of a neutral thing to me.
The thing I've never understood (kinda a tangent I guess but the topic made me think of it) is why in so many religions, people think some all-powerful god who has to run the universe and all that fun stuff is as much of a nitpicker as they claim. I dunno, just think if I were master of the universe I'd have more important things to do than try to govern what you eat, what you wear, and who you screw. Or if I wanted to, just chuck in some kind of thing where people who break my rules burst immediately into flames. Because that would be both simpler AND more entertaining.
But then.... I would make a horrible god anyway.
But yeah, I am constantly driven nuts by the prevalence in the US. Not because I dislike any given religion itself, but we've got so many freaking zealots (I may deal with more of them than the average just because I live in the Midwest), and people that will vote based on religion rather than thinking "gee, will this person really be good at running a city/state/country" or something to that effect. But then, there also seems to be this common problem of people only following half of what they're supposed to be preaching (yeah, man, keep holding up your "god hates fags" sign while you eat your jumbo shrimp). Heywhoa that happens in laws too!
Agreed on the disturbing/fascinating dichotomy. I've read various stories about feral children - don't think I've seen the Discovery show you've mentioned, though. It is kind of interesting to hear about them.... though usually in classroom settings I've seen such cases used to argue the "critical age" for language acquisition.
Damn kids and your clay tablets.
Ahh biological egoism. Really, it's not so much that we have a drive to kill each other and screw each other over, so much as a drive to take care of our own needs first. But as for child development, children - heck any animal that can learn things - is pretty much a sponge at a young age, kinda following the examples presented to it. If the parents fails to present a proper example, then various forms of media, people other than the parents (who may or may not set good examples), and for all we know even the family dog could become the kid's model (though thankfully I've never had a kid sniff my butt to greet me, I'm glad to say). And yes, I am aware of reinforcement patterns playing a part to - just that if nobody's reinforcing then more than likely the kid will go by modeling or just go by impulse or something. But then, this is all just me spouting theory. I didn't really study child development in great depth, though we brushed by it in most of my psych classes. It took a long while to develop civilization, training wild humans not to screw each other at every turn for fun or profit. Wait... I thought being civilized was all about screwing each other at every turn for fun and profit. :P