I read in an interview somewhere when Xerox management was asked about this, and they said that one invention from the Parc was able to finance it [the PARC] for like 15 years or something. Wish I had that URL....
Nowhere in the actual report does it use the word "agressively", and it potentially overstates the committee's enthusiasm; the actual quote from the report is;
From The Report The report makes three recommendations. First, the Federal government should aggressively encourage the development of open source software for high end computing.
While it's fairly obvious IMHO that code is a form of expression and should be covered under the first ammendment, the judge says code is more functional than expressive. Has anyone thought about the Perl Poetry contest? Seems to me that stuff is about as expressive as you can get, as much as regular poetry or any other form of expression. Has the DeCSS thought about this argument?
Alright, this is as good a place for me to post my little rant as any.
As much as Slashdotters bitch (well deservedly) about TLDs and how pointless they've become, with no one caring if its a.com,.org, or.net, lets all remember that Slashdot.**org** is as commercial a site as any. Plus, they have registered slashdot.com. How about Linux.com, a sight devoted to being completely non-commercial. Freshmeat seems to be a commercial site as well, yet they use.net?
Anyway, before we bitch too much about all the companies hogging and abusing TLDs, check the URL to which you post.:)
In Raleigh, the police apparaently have nothing better to do, so the hang out at the movie theatres every Fri and Sat night, ensuring IDs are checked, and also often stand in front of new and popular R movies to ensure nobody sneaks in.
My brother tried to get an undercover cop to by a ticket for him at an R movie. Boy was he embarassed.:)
As much as I love anything becoming free, and applaud Sun's possible move to do this, I can't help but have flashbacks from the Netscape release. Both were huge and probably bloated pieces of software. Both had lots of third party stuff which had to be removed, and broke all sorts of things. I haven't seen the Star Office code obviously, but from using it a little, it sure seems bloated and dificult. I don't know how many volunteers will jump onboard.
Let's remember what JWZ said about Open Source not being magic dust to fix all problems.
And let's also hope my guesses and assumptions are completely wrong, and this is a huge boon to the community!
You are really missing the point with all of the microsoft issues. The reason for proliferation of the macro viruses, etc. is not their inherent power (C is far more powerful) but their ability to hook strait to the environment combined with a lack of any sort of permissions and a userbase of people who run every attatchment sent to them.
AFAIK The AMD 760 northbridge will be the first to support dual processors, and will support two (though it is possible use more than one northbridge for up to 8 processors). It will be sweet when it comes out, as the athlon does not need to share system bus resources, and thus a pair of 750 MHz chips should equal 1500 MHz, as opposed to about ~1200 MHz on Intel chips.
You make some great points, and I agree to an extent. But when it comes down to it, if ease of use is the be-all and end-all, buy a mac or a windows box. And I hate to sound like an elite, especially since I have even written essays about why it is good to bring in users, even dumb novice users (market share for one), but dammit, I like the jokes in the documentation. I love Debian speaking to me in the first person. And I like intelligent (admittedly hackeresque) user interfaces for hackers. Besides, all that standardization has given birth to such evil and viscious incarnations as the windows registry.
Maybe I'm alone in my views, but I doubt it. I don't think everyone is ready to give up the vi vs. emacs flame war, probably more because it is familiar than for any real technical arguments. In the end, we as a community come together even though we may whine, complain and moan. Those little tidbits and quirks that may piss of my mom are funny and entertaining to me. Yes, I even like arcane man pages. But users like my mom already have an OS (two in fact), don't give them mine too!:)
Don't whine, most people who use Debian are able to do some stuff themselves and not bitch about the details. Just grab the binaries (rpm or tar.gz will do) and use alien (alien ) to convert them to debs, then dpkg -i
These are development releases, the developers have better things to do than roll packages for everyone and their dog's version of Linux, plus unless you are getting the source your probably no good to the developers. (ok, some people write docs or submit good bug reports from binaries, but very, very few.)
First of all- to preempt the question that I KNOW is going to come time and again here: KERNEL 2.4 WILL COME OUT WHEN IT IS READY AND NOT A MINUTE BEFORE. Incase anyone is wondering, Mozilla will also be released WHEN IT IS READY. As will KDE2. As will any other project your waiting for.
For those of you new to Open Source, the reason you can run linux for months without a crash is because the developers take great pride in it. We don't release our software as a final version until it is ready and fairly bug-free.
If you truly want to know when it will be coming out, subscribe to the kernel-dev list and read the status. Or, if that's too much mail, at least check out kernel traffic. It makes for good reading.
This particular list has been on kernel traffic for atleast a month. Alan has been updating it and revising it for a while now, with no huge changes. Why it's slashworthy now--I have no idea. Oh well, a minor rant.:)
> Well, I have a feeling that most of the people > > where railroaded into voting He was a POW and proved it is difficult to railroad him into doing anything.:)
> Also for a non technical person, this law, > expecially with its special exclusions for > content providers and what not, its easy for a > quick gloss of this bill to appear as a positive > thing for technology. Almost looks like it moves > copywrite law into the new millinium! hehehehe
Yeah, that's my excuse for still supporting him. Still, I would think (and this goes for all senators) that they would have at least one geek on the staff who could tell them this is a very, very, bad idea. But I guess conservative republicans go for slightly libertarian geeks.:)
I've been a gung-ho John McCain supporter for a while now, even sending him cash. I am pretty dismayed to find that he supported this bill, while he rails on and on against business writing legislation. IMHO he's still better than the others running. Don't suppose anyone's heard of a candidate against this bill? Maybe since Gore "invented the Internet"?:)
There is more to this issue than just having a great, stable, browser for Linux though. Unfortunately, Linux/non-Windows users are still a teeny-tiny slice of the OS pie. Even if Konquerer kicks @$$ and is the greatest browser ever, people on Windows aren't going to use it (they can't). Although I like Opera alot, it's not statisticly huge. And as more people switch to IE, more crap is going to pop up on the web that is proprietary and requires IE, or other Windows features. So Mozilla is more a fight for standards than a fight for an awesome browser. Many say they don't want all the bells and whistles that are being put into mozilla, but most "users" do, and they are the ones we need to keep the web open and standards-complient. That's why it's so important that Mozilla succeds not just in being a quality browser, but that it has a wide and deep user base.
I agree it'd be nice to see Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, IE and (I wish) Konqueror line up side by side with a good objective review. But not on ZD mags. C|Net used to do some decent stuff. And MaximumPC isn't too terribly bad (though maxLinux sux).
I talked to a guy at the Linux Expo in Raleigh who said he worked for IBM, and that they were infact very interested in porting the drivers. He told me that they had to just take care of legal issues, and then he was expecting his superiors to give him the go ahead to rewrite the drivers. He also mentioned it shouldn't be dificult. I obviously don't have any confirmation on this, so take it as you will.
Jeez, compared to the sig to noise ration of these investment morons to, Slashdot looks like paradise! Half of em are spreading dis info in order to short the stock, a few honestly believe band of evil "hackers" are going to come out to destroy the computers, and some are just plain stupid. Then ETrade says extremely smart Linux programmers are "unfit to invest"?!?
Slashdot Mirror
I read in an interview somewhere when Xerox management was asked about this, and they said that one invention from the Parc was able to finance it [the PARC] for like 15 years or something. Wish I had that URL....
Erik
Is that an alias for RMS? 8-) 3dfx should be forced to beg forgivness, the same as KDE and all others who dare open-source once proprietary code!
Erik
Nowhere in the actual report does it use the word "agressively", and it potentially overstates the committee's enthusiasm; the actual quote from the report is;
From The Report
The report makes three recommendations. First, the Federal government should aggressively encourage the development of open source software for high end computing.
Italics mine
I doubt the RIAA would give a shit seeing as they don't publish DVD's which is about the only useful thing for DeCSS.
Erik
While it's fairly obvious IMHO that code is a form of expression and should be covered under the first ammendment, the judge says code is more functional than expressive. Has anyone thought about the Perl Poetry contest? Seems to me that stuff is about as expressive as you can get, as much as regular poetry or any other form of expression. Has the DeCSS thought about this argument?
Erik
Alright, this is as good a place for me to post my little rant as any.
.com, .org, or .net, lets all remember that Slashdot.**org** is as commercial a site as any. Plus, they have registered slashdot.com. How about Linux.com, a sight devoted to being completely non-commercial. .net?
:)
As much as Slashdotters bitch (well deservedly) about TLDs and how pointless they've become, with no one caring if its a
Freshmeat seems to be a commercial site as well, yet they use
Anyway, before we bitch too much about all the companies hogging and abusing TLDs, check the URL to which you post.
Erik
Oops, did I say I? I meant to say he. :)
Erik
I also have the monitor pics up now also
In Raleigh, the police apparaently have nothing better to do, so the hang out at the movie theatres every Fri and Sat night, ensuring IDs are checked, and also often stand in front of new and popular R movies to ensure nobody sneaks in.
:)
My brother tried to get an undercover cop to by a ticket for him at an R movie. Boy was he embarassed.
As much as I love anything becoming free, and applaud Sun's possible move to do this, I can't help but have flashbacks from the Netscape release. Both were huge and probably bloated pieces of software. Both had lots of third party stuff which had to be removed, and broke all sorts of things.
I haven't seen the Star Office code obviously, but from using it a little, it sure seems bloated and dificult. I don't know how many volunteers will jump onboard.
Let's remember what JWZ said about Open Source not being magic dust to fix all problems.
And let's also hope my guesses and assumptions are completely wrong, and this is a huge boon to the community!
Erik
You are really missing the point with all of the microsoft issues. The reason for proliferation of the macro viruses, etc. is not their inherent power (C is far more powerful) but their ability to hook strait to the environment combined with a lack of any sort of permissions and a userbase of people who run every attatchment sent to them.
Erik
AFAIK The AMD 760 northbridge will be the first to support dual processors, and will support two (though it is possible use more than one northbridge for up to 8 processors). It will be sweet when it comes out, as the athlon does not need to share system bus resources, and thus a pair of 750 MHz chips should equal 1500 MHz, as opposed to about ~1200 MHz on Intel chips.
You make some great points, and I agree to an extent. But when it comes down to it, if ease of use is the be-all and end-all, buy a mac or a windows box. And I hate to sound like an elite, especially since I have even written essays about why it is good to bring in users, even dumb novice users (market share for one), but dammit, I like the jokes in the documentation. I love Debian speaking to me in the first person. And I like intelligent (admittedly hackeresque) user interfaces for hackers. Besides, all that standardization has given birth to such evil and viscious incarnations as the windows registry.
:)
Maybe I'm alone in my views, but I doubt it. I don't think everyone is ready to give up the vi vs. emacs flame war, probably more because it is familiar than for any real technical arguments. In the end, we as a community come together even though we may whine, complain and moan. Those little tidbits and quirks that may piss of my mom are funny and entertaining to me. Yes, I even like arcane man pages. But users like my mom already have an OS (two in fact), don't give them mine too!
Erik
Don't whine, most people who use Debian are able to do some stuff themselves and not bitch about the details. Just grab the binaries (rpm or tar.gz will do) and use alien (alien ) to convert them to debs, then dpkg -i
These are development releases, the developers have better things to do than roll packages for everyone and their dog's version of Linux, plus unless you are getting the source your probably no good to the developers. (ok, some people write docs or submit good bug reports from binaries, but very, very few.)
Erik
First of all- to preempt the question that I KNOW is going to come time and again here: KERNEL 2.4 WILL COME OUT WHEN IT IS READY AND NOT A MINUTE BEFORE. Incase anyone is wondering, Mozilla will also be released WHEN IT IS READY. As will KDE2. As will any other project your waiting for.
:)
For those of you new to Open Source, the reason you can run linux for months without a crash is because the developers take great pride in it. We don't release our software as a final version until it is ready and fairly bug-free.
If you truly want to know when it will be coming out, subscribe to the kernel-dev list and read the status. Or, if that's too much mail, at least check out kernel traffic. It makes for good reading.
This particular list has been on kernel traffic for atleast a month. Alan has been updating it and revising it for a while now, with no huge changes. Why it's slashworthy now--I have no idea. Oh well, a minor rant.
Erik
> Well, I have a feeling that most of the people > > where railroaded into voting :)
:)
He was a POW and proved it is difficult to railroad him into doing anything.
> Also for a non technical person, this law,
> expecially with its special exclusions for
> content providers and what not, its easy for a
> quick gloss of this bill to appear as a positive
> thing for technology. Almost looks like it moves
> copywrite law into the new millinium! hehehehe
Yeah, that's my excuse for still supporting him. Still, I would think (and this goes for all senators) that they would have at least one geek on the staff who could tell them this is a very, very, bad idea. But I guess conservative republicans go for slightly libertarian geeks.
Erik
I've been a gung-ho John McCain supporter for a while now, even sending him cash. I am pretty dismayed to find that he supported this bill, while he rails on and on against business writing legislation. IMHO he's still better than the others running. Don't suppose anyone's heard of a candidate against this bill? Maybe since Gore "invented the Internet"? :)
Erik
There is more to this issue than just having a great, stable, browser for Linux though. Unfortunately, Linux/non-Windows users are still a teeny-tiny slice of the OS pie. Even if Konquerer kicks @$$ and is the greatest browser ever, people on Windows aren't going to use it (they can't). Although I like Opera alot, it's not statisticly huge. And as more people switch to IE, more crap is going to pop up on the web that is proprietary and requires IE, or other Windows features. So Mozilla is more a fight for standards than a fight for an awesome browser. Many say they don't want all the bells and whistles that are being put into mozilla, but most "users" do, and they are the ones we need to keep the web open and standards-complient. That's why it's so important that Mozilla succeds not just in being a quality browser, but that it has a wide and deep user base.
I agree it'd be nice to see Opera, Mozilla, Netscape, IE and (I wish) Konqueror line up side by side with a good objective review. But not on ZD mags. C|Net used to do some decent stuff. And MaximumPC isn't too terribly bad (though maxLinux sux).
Erik
I talked to a guy at the Linux Expo in Raleigh who said he worked for IBM, and that they were infact very interested in porting the drivers. He told me that they had to just take care of legal issues, and then he was expecting his superiors to give him the go ahead to rewrite the drivers. He also mentioned it shouldn't be dificult. I obviously don't have any confirmation on this, so take it as you will.
Erik
I found a list of mirrors. Some only have the page, some have docs and tools, some have the source. Here they are:
ftp://129.187.206.68/pub/unix/ide/KDevelop/
ftp://ftp.bawue.de/pub/unix/KDevelop/
ftp://ftp.chg.ru/pub/X11/kdevelop/
ftp://ftp.weltopia.com/pub/kdevelop/
I was able to grab the source, but not the c refs and other stuff :(
Anyone got kdevelop mirrors? Server seems to be massively /.ed.
Jeez, compared to the sig to noise ration of these investment morons to, Slashdot looks like paradise! Half of em are spreading dis info in order to short the stock, a few honestly believe band of evil "hackers" are going to come out to destroy the computers, and some are just plain stupid. Then ETrade says extremely smart Linux programmers are "unfit to invest"?!?
Erik
Kyle's Dad: We have laws called sexual harassment laws regulate what we can and can't do and say in the workplace.
Kyle: Isn't that called Facisism?
Kyle's Dad: No, it's Democracy because we say it's democracy!