While it's true that an end-node host will mostly do one-way transactions like downloading or uploading, intermediate systems (switches) use full duplex to much advantage.
Some wireless equipment is used in this same way; bridges, mesh, etc.
The other issue is latency. That's not at all important, is it.
It's ISCSI that is a great cheap SAN protocol. FC still has some use to it that ISCSI can't beat, but for most stuff, ISCSI is awesome.
I just don't see a lot of reason to bridge the two, unless you are transitioning in a very very large environment.
Look at Cisco's switches that try to bring FC and 10GbE together -- they suck! No layer 3 support, and the latency is horrible compared with competitors.
People will complain about the overhead that the network stack adds to it, or latency or junk, but really, it's not that big of a deal. Get a network card with offloading.
ISCSI is good enough for 80% of orgs out there. That's what's wrong with FC.
Cisco ASAs suck. We have a couple of 5580 series with 10G ports and lots of VLANs. They fail over often, configuration is a nightmare if you need to move a VLAN interface from one physical port to another, etc etc. Buggy as hell. I make the purchasing decisions around here and we are NOT going with Cisco come a year or two from now when we replace them. I'd rather just use iptables than Cisco ACLs.
Cisco wireless sucks too, along with ACS, their radius/tacacs+ server (which only runs on Windows). Go Aruba.
As for Cisco networking, you are crazy. Look at their crappy 10G switches. Arista, Juniper, Force10, Extreme, Brocade(foundry), have Cisco whipped (Except maybe for the 4900M, which is an okay switch).
Look at the Cisco 3750-E switch. Juniper whipped Cisco's ass with the E 4200 series -- faster and cheaper. Cisco had to come out with the 3750-X, and they still price it higher than the Juniper, even though the Juniper has multiple advantages (faster interconnect, more nodes in the cluster, etc).
Cisco has some nice little routers, and some of their carrier stuff is good to, but Juniper still has them bent over for high-cap transit.
Yeaaa... I think you're a chump. No offense intended.
I see you're argument as being; basically, Microsoft got caught 100%-undeniably, red-handed, copying the answer of one test question out of one-hundred, but since it was only one out of that hundred, and they used a mirror connected to a video camera that someone else read back to them indirectly and obscurely as possible, it's not really cheating.
No, it's still cheating, and that's only cheating that they were able to 100% prove. What about the rest of Bing's results? They could anywhere from "slightly" to "mostly" based off of the Google search engine results that they captured and we really don't know it at this point.
You have to consider the scale. A tiny tiny little group of Google Employees were able to get their signature into Bing's search engine results. How many people use MSIE and their data was being captured by Microsoft, and the signature data still got in there. Wow.
Let's start with the fact that if this was a KDE message board, and I was to thoughtfully complain in any way, my message would be quietly deleted. I don't bother posting any feedback, filing bugs, or doing anything for KDE any more. KDE doesn't give a fark about it's users. The developers are writing code for themselves and some strangely distorted user-effigy they built up, but who doesn't exist.
But nevermind KDE as a Window Manager itself. What you did to apps like Amarok is a crime. Fark you. I liked that app. I used it. Then you ripped out 75% of it's functionality and replaced it with a super-crappy dumbed-down UI that crashed when you moved the window. All in the name of "cleaning up the code."
This was the same for countless other K-apps. Rip it up, replace the code so it was neat and tidy, but remove most of the features and dismiss anyone who complains about it.
I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who works in a field as fast-changing as a computer-related field and refuses to learn new skills (including, *GASP*, on your OWN time)
Would you want a doctor who still exclusively used surgical techniques from the 50's to perform your open-heart surgery? Would you want a mechanic who hasn't learned anything new in 20 years to work on your Prius? Well, the IT world changes *way* faster than either of those fields.
Your expectation of programmers to perform unpaid work for the benefit of the employer may need some comparison to shed light on how unusual and unrealistic it really is.
It would be pretty unusual for a mechanic or surgeon to perform their specialties outside of a paid-work environment.
In the case of the surgeon, the only place I can think of where you would get such experience would be a war zone as a military medic, and you would be paid what most military members make; not much. How often would an existing surgeon volunteer, unpaid, for such work? Amazingly, it does happen, but it's not expected and not that regular of an occurrence (ask Doctors Without Borders how many free hands they could use some time).
I guess a mechanic could wander around his neighborhood and offer, unpaid, to check out the new cars on the block. I know if some guy from three blocks over knocked on my door and offered to do a free oil change on my Lotus/Prius/Leaf, I'd call the police immediately.
But, alas, you are right that many programmers do actually spend some of their own time to learn a new skill. So, why do they do it when it's very unusual in comparison with other professions?
For one, it only costs them their time and doesn't require a significant setup. You don't need someone having a heart attack to do surgery on, and you don't need to spend $40K on a new Prius.
But more importantly, they are doing it for themselves. They expect to be paid more, or to use the skill to get a better job -- at a different employer. Sometimes they just do it for fun.
"Refusing to learn new skills", as you put it, is not what you meant. What you meant was that you expect programmers to learn new skills at their own cost on their own time for the employer's benefit, or just to not be fired.
Would I learn something new on the job if my employer sent me to training, bought me a book about it, or just gave me the time to google it up and do some trail an error? Sure. How often has that happened? Almost never. That's why I've never felt bad about quitting for a better job, sometimes with zero-day notice. It's been very very rare that I've ever had an employer show me any loyalty as a human resource to be invested in.
No no no, we all need to threaten to kill him. That way, when someone finally does it, there are so many suspects that it will take any investigation a couple of decades just to narrow it down for a couple of hundred particularly agitated slashdotters with serious cases of submitter rage.
I have to agree with the "jackasses" comment being well deserved. They falsely accused someone of wrong, tried to quietly correct it, then insult anyone who called them out on their mistake, including those who they wronged.
Being wrong is one thing, but how they handled it turned the editors into "jackasses".
Five seconds is way more than needed to annoy people. It should be more like two or three seconds.
When I follow links to videos and it starts with an obnoxious advert, I almost never bother to actually follow through and watch the video that I was originally after -- it's just not worth it to be annoyed that much. I wonder if Youtube will figure that out.
Alternatively, I just mute the volume and go to another tab and come back in two or three minutes after reading/doing something else, so that would also give false information that I had actually watched the whole advert when I really had not.
While I understand the history, I've always found the terms "East", "West", "Middle East" and similar non-geographic geographic/cultural nomenclature to be arrogant at best. West of Japan is China, and they may end up being the new west if the arrogant USA doesn't get it's intellectual act together.
The world is not some flat map that some idiot in the 1800s drew on paper. I agree that using the pacific was probably a pretty good idea for a separator there on paper, but the general terms of "East" and "West" as used by most talking heads is just shallow-thinking.
Sort of like the words/terms "perfect storm", "actually", and "blog" really annoy me.
Suggesting that passengers would stand up against plane hijackers is absurd. The American public at-large already crapped it's pants and bent over for the federal government when ordered to do so. Why would those same people not cower in fear when confronted directly with any other threat?
Of course American's are terrorized cowards. They will do anything to have someone tell them that it's going to be alright, that their investments are safe, that their house is worth more than it is, that social security will be around when they retire, and that the plane will land safely if they just do as they are told.
Want a direct example? Just look at these bus passengers do nothing as an old man is assaulted by some bully:
I think it's pretty irrelevant since it seems that the effective goal of the KDE developers is to mimic Windows Vista and 7. Besides the window manager, just look what they did to Amarock between 3.5 and 4.0 as a prime example for what they have done with the apps. It's like Winamp3.
This isn't a small company here. This is VERIZON. They have ass-loads of people working all day long figuring out billing trends and analyzing where their profits come from. To feign ignorance is impossible... and irrelevant. "Oops we committed fraud" should not work, but apparently does when you are a corporation. I'll have to try that some day when I appear before a judge and try to use BS like this as precedent.
However, a judge or jury can not allocate out "cruel and unusual punishment". I can't remember where but fairly recently there was a case of some guy who was convicted/plead-guilty to some misdemeanor crime that was completely unrelated to alcohol, but one of the terms of probation was that he was not allowed to consume alcohol. He apparently really liked his beer and fought the terms of probation and won. I don't have many more details on this as it's from basic memory.
I'm pretty sure that he fought the issue based on US 8th constitutional amendment grounds.
Given the wild disassociation between theft and computer encryption, this would certainly qualify as "unusual punishment".
Well, one of the differences here is that, indeed, the community is completely irate regarding this.
Secondly, we can indeed do something about this. If we don't like this HTC device, we can buy a Droid 2, or one of the many other Android devices out there.
Personally, I've got a Nexus One. I like iPhones just fine, but I can't do business with AT&T.
I don't think non-networking guys really understand the harm that NAT/PAT/masq has done.
I am talking economic damage. NAT has cost you money. It's cost you a LOT of money. It cost your company money. It cost everyone who uses computer an ASS LOAD OF MONEY totally wasted on a cheap hack to get around the fact that we needed a better addressing system.
All the wasted software time which talented people worked for, and NAT is just a work-around.
All the money wasted PAYING for above mentioned software, salaries, time.
All of the needless hardware and software implementations related to NAT.
Anyone who runs a large Cisco PIX/ASA platform can bemoan the number of statics needed between network interfaces.
Think about the apps that had a really hard time working because of NAT. The games that could not peer-to-peer because both sides were behind NAT.
Think about all of the companies that have multiple DNS views -- inside, and then public. That's a ton of extra work.
Best thing of all that I look forward to in IPv6 is... the idiots that it will wring out of the IT/comp-sci sector. Idiot sysadmins that label their servers with IPv4 addresses, idiot programmers who won't learn IPv6 and will get the boot to the curb that they have long deserved.
If you can't handle it, GTFO lamers. You don't need to know your workstation's IP address -- you need to know it's hostname and how to use DNS. I can't tell you the number of places I've worked at where people hard-code IP addresses into config files and the damage that it has caused, along with labeling servers/printers/whatever with their IPv4 address.
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While it's true that an end-node host will mostly do one-way transactions like downloading or uploading, intermediate systems (switches) use full duplex to much advantage.
Some wireless equipment is used in this same way; bridges, mesh, etc.
The other issue is latency. That's not at all important, is it.
It's ISCSI that is a great cheap SAN protocol. FC still has some use to it that ISCSI can't beat, but for most stuff, ISCSI is awesome.
I just don't see a lot of reason to bridge the two, unless you are transitioning in a very very large environment.
Look at Cisco's switches that try to bring FC and 10GbE together -- they suck! No layer 3 support, and the latency is horrible compared with competitors.
People will complain about the overhead that the network stack adds to it, or latency or junk, but really, it's not that big of a deal. Get a network card with offloading.
ISCSI is good enough for 80% of orgs out there. That's what's wrong with FC.
Flowbee man. Get one. It's about as good as those Cheapy-Cuts places anyway.
Cisco ASAs suck. We have a couple of 5580 series with 10G ports and lots of VLANs. They fail over often, configuration is a nightmare if you need to move a VLAN interface from one physical port to another, etc etc. Buggy as hell. I make the purchasing decisions around here and we are NOT going with Cisco come a year or two from now when we replace them. I'd rather just use iptables than Cisco ACLs.
Cisco wireless sucks too, along with ACS, their radius/tacacs+ server (which only runs on Windows). Go Aruba.
As for Cisco networking, you are crazy. Look at their crappy 10G switches. Arista, Juniper, Force10, Extreme, Brocade(foundry), have Cisco whipped (Except maybe for the 4900M, which is an okay switch).
Look at the Cisco 3750-E switch. Juniper whipped Cisco's ass with the E 4200 series -- faster and cheaper. Cisco had to come out with the 3750-X, and they still price it higher than the Juniper, even though the Juniper has multiple advantages (faster interconnect, more nodes in the cluster, etc).
Cisco has some nice little routers, and some of their carrier stuff is good to, but Juniper still has them bent over for high-cap transit.
Yeaaa... I think you're a chump. No offense intended.
I see you're argument as being; basically, Microsoft got caught 100%-undeniably, red-handed, copying the answer of one test question out of one-hundred, but since it was only one out of that hundred, and they used a mirror connected to a video camera that someone else read back to them indirectly and obscurely as possible, it's not really cheating.
No, it's still cheating, and that's only cheating that they were able to 100% prove. What about the rest of Bing's results? They could anywhere from "slightly" to "mostly" based off of the Google search engine results that they captured and we really don't know it at this point.
You have to consider the scale. A tiny tiny little group of Google Employees were able to get their signature into Bing's search engine results. How many people use MSIE and their data was being captured by Microsoft, and the signature data still got in there. Wow.
Including mine, we've got three votes for a monkey throwing chairs here.
Let's start with the fact that if this was a KDE message board, and I was to thoughtfully complain in any way, my message would be quietly deleted. I don't bother posting any feedback, filing bugs, or doing anything for KDE any more. KDE doesn't give a fark about it's users. The developers are writing code for themselves and some strangely distorted user-effigy they built up, but who doesn't exist.
But nevermind KDE as a Window Manager itself. What you did to apps like Amarok is a crime. Fark you. I liked that app. I used it. Then you ripped out 75% of it's functionality and replaced it with a super-crappy dumbed-down UI that crashed when you moved the window. All in the name of "cleaning up the code."
This was the same for countless other K-apps. Rip it up, replace the code so it was neat and tidy, but remove most of the features and dismiss anyone who complains about it.
Screw you KDE community.
I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who works in a field as fast-changing as a computer-related field and refuses to learn new skills (including, *GASP*, on your OWN time)
Would you want a doctor who still exclusively used surgical techniques from the 50's to perform your open-heart surgery? Would you want a mechanic who hasn't learned anything new in 20 years to work on your Prius? Well, the IT world changes *way* faster than either of those fields.
Your expectation of programmers to perform unpaid work for the benefit of the employer may need some comparison to shed light on how unusual and unrealistic it really is.
It would be pretty unusual for a mechanic or surgeon to perform their specialties outside of a paid-work environment.
In the case of the surgeon, the only place I can think of where you would get such experience would be a war zone as a military medic, and you would be paid what most military members make; not much. How often would an existing surgeon volunteer, unpaid, for such work? Amazingly, it does happen, but it's not expected and not that regular of an occurrence (ask Doctors Without Borders how many free hands they could use some time).
I guess a mechanic could wander around his neighborhood and offer, unpaid, to check out the new cars on the block. I know if some guy from three blocks over knocked on my door and offered to do a free oil change on my Lotus/Prius/Leaf, I'd call the police immediately.
But, alas, you are right that many programmers do actually spend some of their own time to learn a new skill. So, why do they do it when it's very unusual in comparison with other professions?
For one, it only costs them their time and doesn't require a significant setup. You don't need someone having a heart attack to do surgery on, and you don't need to spend $40K on a new Prius.
But more importantly, they are doing it for themselves. They expect to be paid more, or to use the skill to get a better job -- at a different employer. Sometimes they just do it for fun.
"Refusing to learn new skills", as you put it, is not what you meant. What you meant was that you expect programmers to learn new skills at their own cost on their own time for the employer's benefit, or just to not be fired.
Would I learn something new on the job if my employer sent me to training, bought me a book about it, or just gave me the time to google it up and do some trail an error? Sure. How often has that happened? Almost never. That's why I've never felt bad about quitting for a better job, sometimes with zero-day notice. It's been very very rare that I've ever had an employer show me any loyalty as a human resource to be invested in.
Just look at Mexico.
No no no, we all need to threaten to kill him. That way, when someone finally does it, there are so many suspects that it will take any investigation a couple of decades just to narrow it down for a couple of hundred particularly agitated slashdotters with serious cases of submitter rage.
Limelight.
I have to agree with the "jackasses" comment being well deserved. They falsely accused someone of wrong, tried to quietly correct it, then insult anyone who called them out on their mistake, including those who they wronged.
Being wrong is one thing, but how they handled it turned the editors into "jackasses".
I was not aware that there was EXIM haters. It's a good mailer. I doubt anyone who was ever forced to configure sendmail will say otherwise.
"HI! BILLY MAYS HERE"
Five seconds is way more than needed to annoy people. It should be more like two or three seconds.
When I follow links to videos and it starts with an obnoxious advert, I almost never bother to actually follow through and watch the video that I was originally after -- it's just not worth it to be annoyed that much. I wonder if Youtube will figure that out.
Alternatively, I just mute the volume and go to another tab and come back in two or three minutes after reading/doing something else, so that would also give false information that I had actually watched the whole advert when I really had not.
Second this. I am a vertical panel user.
While I understand the history, I've always found the terms "East", "West", "Middle East" and similar non-geographic geographic/cultural nomenclature to be arrogant at best. West of Japan is China, and they may end up being the new west if the arrogant USA doesn't get it's intellectual act together.
The world is not some flat map that some idiot in the 1800s drew on paper. I agree that using the pacific was probably a pretty good idea for a separator there on paper, but the general terms of "East" and "West" as used by most talking heads is just shallow-thinking.
Sort of like the words/terms "perfect storm", "actually", and "blog" really annoy me.
Now get off my lawn.
Suggesting that passengers would stand up against plane hijackers is absurd. The American public at-large already crapped it's pants and bent over for the federal government when ordered to do so. Why would those same people not cower in fear when confronted directly with any other threat?
Of course American's are terrorized cowards. They will do anything to have someone tell them that it's going to be alright, that their investments are safe, that their house is worth more than it is, that social security will be around when they retire, and that the plane will land safely if they just do as they are told.
Want a direct example? Just look at these bus passengers do nothing as an old man is assaulted by some bully:
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/11/raymel_curry_sucker_punches_di.php
Can someone explain the obsession that the Japanese have with white people? It's like some form of self-inflicted racism or something. I don't get it.
I think it's pretty irrelevant since it seems that the effective goal of the KDE developers is to mimic Windows Vista and 7. Besides the window manager, just look what they did to Amarock between 3.5 and 4.0 as a prime example for what they have done with the apps. It's like Winamp3.
This isn't a small company here. This is VERIZON. They have ass-loads of people working all day long figuring out billing trends and analyzing where their profits come from. To feign ignorance is impossible... and irrelevant. "Oops we committed fraud" should not work, but apparently does when you are a corporation. I'll have to try that some day when I appear before a judge and try to use BS like this as precedent.
However, a judge or jury can not allocate out "cruel and unusual punishment". I can't remember where but fairly recently there was a case of some guy who was convicted/plead-guilty to some misdemeanor crime that was completely unrelated to alcohol, but one of the terms of probation was that he was not allowed to consume alcohol. He apparently really liked his beer and fought the terms of probation and won. I don't have many more details on this as it's from basic memory.
I'm pretty sure that he fought the issue based on US 8th constitutional amendment grounds.
Given the wild disassociation between theft and computer encryption, this would certainly qualify as "unusual punishment".
I'd mod that up more if I could.
Well, one of the differences here is that, indeed, the community is completely irate regarding this.
Secondly, we can indeed do something about this. If we don't like this HTC device, we can buy a Droid 2, or one of the many other Android devices out there.
Personally, I've got a Nexus One. I like iPhones just fine, but I can't do business with AT&T.
I don't think non-networking guys really understand the harm that NAT/PAT/masq has done.
I am talking economic damage. NAT has cost you money. It's cost you a LOT of money. It cost your company money. It cost everyone who uses computer an ASS LOAD OF MONEY totally wasted on a cheap hack to get around the fact that we needed a better addressing system.
All the wasted software time which talented people worked for, and NAT is just a work-around.
All the money wasted PAYING for above mentioned software, salaries, time.
All of the needless hardware and software implementations related to NAT.
Anyone who runs a large Cisco PIX/ASA platform can bemoan the number of statics needed between network interfaces.
Think about the apps that had a really hard time working because of NAT. The games that could not peer-to-peer because both sides were behind NAT.
Think about all of the companies that have multiple DNS views -- inside, and then public. That's a ton of extra work.
Best thing of all that I look forward to in IPv6 is... the idiots that it will wring out of the IT/comp-sci sector. Idiot sysadmins that label their servers with IPv4 addresses, idiot programmers who won't learn IPv6 and will get the boot to the curb that they have long deserved.
If you can't handle it, GTFO lamers. You don't need to know your workstation's IP address -- you need to know it's hostname and how to use DNS. I can't tell you the number of places I've worked at where people hard-code IP addresses into config files and the damage that it has caused, along with labeling servers/printers/whatever with their IPv4 address.
I totally agree with you there.