Real World Job Experience. Is the concept that hard to understand?
whois: handle cf21
If you know anything about internic handles that should help "date" me a little and perhaps answer some of your questions about my experience.
OK, so you actually have been around for a while.
When I said 5 years, I meant that 21 year old had already 5 years at Atari Corporation, he started working there in high school. It seemed to me to be part of the real world at the time. The paychecks were certainly for real.
Actually, I'm 47... the kid who was that Senior Software Engineer (see "Bullshit" above) at Atari Corp. was also extremely helpful to me. I didn't care about the fact that I was considerably older than he was, I cared that he had *the answers to my questions*, I was an R&D tech there and I was working on some video arcade hardware for which the documentation provided me was laughably inadequate.
I've seen quite a few very experienced young people in IT. I have NO problem with the idea that there are others I haven't met.
It is unfortunate that people who judge IT professionals by criteria other than demonstrated competence are allowed to progress to management positions.
I don't buy it. Being on the net for 5 years or taking apart and playing with computers with your friends isn't real world(tm) job experience.
When I worked for Atari Coin-Op back in the late 1980s, one of our senior software engineers who'd been with the company 5 years was just celebrating his 21st birthday.
I have absolutely no problem with a 19 year old with 5 years IT experience. However, if you're making statements like yours in a public forum, I question your experience.
Whoever gave you a 5/insightful for your post demonstrates that the moderation system for slashdot has serious problems, your score should have been -1/Troll.
You mean you actually used EDLIN? MS worked that up as an intentional joke, like Easter Eggs and that sort of thing. There are a shitload of good DOS text / programmer's editors. I still use Q-Edit once in a long while.
it SOUNDS like yet ANOTHER employment program but it isn't. I've had the opportunity to actually see these people in action and they're much better than most of the people posting messages on slashdot when it comes to developing HTML, open source applications, Flash/database integration and whatever else they feel
If true, I'm really glad to hear this. However, I'm inclined to see how this plays out before judging the results.
When I mentioned to a friend I was thinking of going into Web development, she said "Don't bother, there's so much competition that our hourly rates are already getting killed."
This was the San Francisco Bay Area, circa 1995. We've got a bigger oversupply now at the end of the first dot-com boom.
Sounds like YET ANOTHER employment program put together by misguided do-gooders who didn't bother to check the job market before teaching the kids a "new career".
That's an eventual solution, and depends on the sort of campaign spending reform that most of Congress and most lobbyists oppose.
The question that needs to be answered now is what can be done to make the major content providers considerably less profitable so that the current generation of CEOs will be replaced by people more open to reason.
To put it differently, what would it take to make business as usual impossible to continue for the major content providers who have literally chosen to put their profits ahead of our freedom?
Arguments about free speech, liberty, fair usage will not make any impact on the CEOs of the major content providers. They do understand, and they laugh.
These arguments won't have any impact on our Congress because for the most part, our elected officials lack the intellectual ability to comprehend them, and in any case, they can be considered employees of the content providers.
What's left? Figuring out how to make the anti-democratic behavior of the content providers unprofitable by whatever means necessary.
Economic boycott against targeted content providers would be a good start.
You missed the most important lesson from The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress.
The use of electromagnetic railguns as a low-cost way to move freight through space as an alternative to rockets.
The difference between now and when he wrote it (he called them "catapults") is that a shitload of money was spent on development of railguns in the context of SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative aka Starwars) since the early '60s when the book was written. While the SDI concept was a failure, the railgun technology worked.
Railguns can move the megatons required to build a space infrastructure for a few dollars a pound. Try that with rockets. - -
Public education from elementary school through high school can NOT solve this problem.
There are too many people ranging from teachers through the spectrum of elected public officials who know that a public capable of finding things out for themselves is a direct threat to their jobs and their way of life.
I mean, the masses might start thinking for themselves if this happened.
I think all we can do with this is to put out what we know about getting to things and screening information and let the people capable of figuring out that they need to learn more about how to do this become a self-selected elite. - -
>How many people have went out and killed themselves after seeing Katz repeat himself over and over,
Please do it now before you pollute the human gene pool any further. In the slashdot how-to tradition, I'll even tell you how.
1. Get a stick of dynamite, a blasting cap, and some vaseline.
2. Set up a videocam.
3. Turn on the videocam.
4. Insert the blasting cap into the stick of dynamite.
5. Cover the stick of dynamite with vaseline.
6. Stick the dynamite as far up your ass as possible.
7. Detonate the blasting cap.
You'll do the species a lot more good that way than you will by any possible contribution you think you can make to humanity.
Look up "Index Expurgatorius", their list of banned books sometime.
This merely expands this crap into cyberspace.
However, the reason why I posted has nothing to do with this. If anybody using the Catholic ISP as a provider can read this (this site is probably banned) try some Catholic Church and Catholic organization sites and see how much their censorware software will let you read. Try for controversial subjects.
Let us know the results.
If they've managed to come up with censorware that works, they've finally managed an authentic miracle.
My guess is they've pulled off something a hell of a lot funnier.
>Just give more money to the public school system,
>improve the quality of teaching from k12 to
>college (introduce computer science or coding ?)
>and you'll have better results !
I doubt that this would do you any good, as you're obviously too stupid to benefit from education delievered either via in-person or virtual means.
If you were capable of learning, I'd point you at the Voices from the Hellmouth series.
Or at the numerous statistics that demonstrate that private schools produce better education for less money.
While SDI was never a really workable concept, some very nice technology was created for it. A lot of research was done on practical rail guns. A rail gun system big enough to put 1000 kg freight payloads into orbit would cost billions of dollars. It would get the cost of getting hardware to orbit to tens of dollars a pound instead of $10K per pound. This opens up the Solar System.
Most of the agents in the FBI previously served in the military or police force. They are not geeks
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Then what the fuck are they doing investigating a computer intrusion?
When a site gets attacked and the FBI come in they set up and start auditing logs. If this guy's IP sows up all over the place, NO MATTER WHAT HE WAS DOING, he is going to become a suspect.
In other words, by your so-called logic, if I see an article about a site hack on Wired News or attrition.org and check it out, I deserve to have my door kicked in and my computer ripped off.
I might have been more polite about this if they'd merely copied the guy's hard drive and files using one of many forensic software packages on the market. . A warrant is supposed to allow a reasonable search under defined circumstances. They used it to take punitive action against him without proving him guilty of anything in a court of law.
While I doubt you are capable of doing anything more important with your computer than websurfing, some of us make our livings with our computers, others "merely" need them to finish our education.
Brain-damaged assholes like you making excuses for police state tactics are a fundamental precondition for the operation of a modern police state.
"They are only doing their jobs" "Don't ask questions." "They know what they're doing" and other rationalizations for conduct which if you had been educated properly, you'd know was wrong are the kind of thing seen in the early stages of a police state. The "good German", i.e., somebody like you, is the ideal citizen for a totalitarian state, you make excuses for police action that the police won't even bother to make for themselves.
People looking the other way and telling other people, "it's not that bad" are the sort of thing that keeps the herd asleep until it's too late to do anything about it.
In a free country with people in it who want it to stay free, your only possible purpose is as fertilizer for the lawns of your betters. I would advise against using your body however processed as food products, prions are amazingly persistent and most of us would rather not find out from experience what's wrong with that mass of reeking pus you call a brain.
The highest form of civic action you are capable ot taking is suicide, and if you want to do a good thing for America, you'll act on my suggestion immediately.
The nicest thing I can say about you is that you're a tard, and whack-a-tard is one of the more amusing things to do on the Net.
The following is the first few hits off Google using those search terms. I got 6,750 hits from them. I think your story is in there somewhere.The evidence points in one direction, and nobody on either side of "DRUGWARS" should have any interest in arguing it.
Here's a quote from the article,"According to a Detroit News analysis of 33 Metro area school districts, there is no difference between teen drug and alcohol use in districts that offered DARE and in districts that did not. DARE is used in 70 of the 88 Metro districts."
I grabbed that one because it's from this year.
Do you get it now? There is no good news about DARE outside of the press releases from the people on the payroll.
To make this kind of project a safe one from the viewpoint of the Internet community, it either needs to be available to everybody or nobody. If everybody, we can check up to see who's trying to shut who down and demand an accounting, and if none is provided, the victims can look into various forms of relief, legal and otherwise.
OK, let's grant that the current people in charge are really good guys that won't let totalitarian regimes use their service. How long before this company is acquired by a corporation who has no social conscience and will sell the info to the highest bidder? Or a government with no hesitation about trading people's lives for better export treatment or other kinds of political deals?
I'm surprised that the hacker community hasn't already unloaded on these guys.
Your getting a 4 for this swill suggests a problem with the moderation system.
"Do realistically violent games and movies desensitize kids to the real thing? No doubt."
Evidence, please.
"Does it do so to the point where actual violence is much, much easier to commit? Unprovable."
If it's unprovable, why are you wasting our time?
"There are plenty of things that can cause a decrease in crime statistics, from better policing to bad reporting."
How about a decrease in violent criminal activity among young people? Apparently you're trying to dodge the conclusion Occam's Razor gives us because it doesn't fit your thesis.
"But claming that there's no correlation at all between virtual and actual violence, even in sarcasm, is just dodging the issue and irresponsible in the extreme."
Since you're the fool who's trying to demonstrate that there is a correlation against the evidence, the burden of proof that there's a correlation between actual and simulated violence is on you, and you not only don't meet it, you have asserted above that it's "unprovable". You make so little sense that I wonder if you're a politician yourself.
So you get your news from National Public Radio, also known as an organization that has stood firmly with the National Association of Broadcasters in it's attempt to preserve megacorporate domination of the airwaves by backing the attempt to overturn FCC regulations allowing low-power community radio stations onto the air citing "excessive interference". You didn't hear about that on your favorite radio station, either, did you? What else aren't they telling you?
You expect us to be impressed by your listening to NPR? Better to provide evidence that you're an informed citizen worthy of being listened to on public policy issues, and you've failed to do that as well.
You can download PGPfone at the PGP International site. It encrypts voice over either an IP connect or via modem.
It'll run on Win9.x (probably NT and 2000), Mac (probably OS9 and before). Zimmermann couldn't get his company to push this as a product, so he more or less put it in public domain, and if you think it needs to be run on Linux / other -ix operating systems, port it yourself.
" Among Silicon Valley's top tech employers, only chip maker Intel Corp. screens prospective workers for illegal substances." quote from article
Let's see, Intel just scrapped the Timna successor to the Celeron (how many millions of dollars just got flushed?), just had to recall the 1.13 GHz PIII...that's all the bad news that comes to mind, but I don't follow Intel much, I'm running AMD just like I did on the last computer.
It's difficult to see just how much good their effort to ensure a clean and sober workplace has done either the company or its stockholders.
Here is a short summary of a 3 part series about a publication finding itself under attack by fungi. I haven't been able to find the URL for the series yet.
Sample quote from the article summary:
"By the time we get done, we have to walk away from everything we own, the lost profits, the medical and health costs--it will be well over $300,000, possibly $500,000," she said.
Some experts weren't surprised by Pheatt's findings.They say houses, offices and classrooms around the country have had problems with toxic mold. In Austin, Texas, last month, an elementary school was closed after officials found mold in the walls.
Outside scientists said that while they have not
examined the Job Journal employees, the symptoms they described have been linked to the three strains of mold.
end quote
It appears that the 3 strains are the same ones mentioned in the article on Mir.
This is some serious shit here. As for why the business operators of Mir seem to be minimizing this, interesting question.
Note that the group in the office that got hammered was generally there during regular business hours, they weren't sealed in an air tank with the fungi and they still had serious consequences, not all of which were discussed in the article summary.
I'm trying to contact the publisher for more information.
Just checked the University of Texas site faculty directory, including the business school. I tried Liebowitz and Leibowitz spellings.
I got " No employee record was found for the name that you entered"
Too bad, I wanted to thank the guy for producing an entertaining story.
As for a $1000 Windoze, suits me fine. It would give the entire PC manufacturing community lots of reasons to support Linux and to put money into the kind of development that is yet to be done in order to make Linux and its applications usable for one's computer illiterate grandparents.
I really want to see that. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to advise somebody who's new to computers to buy a computer, spend a day showing them the ropes, and NOT have to provide unpaid customer support afterwards?
However, I really don't think anybody at M$hit is really stupid enough to commit to the course of suicidal stupidity described in the PDF.
In a post-breakup environment, they would have to compete for real with stable operating systems under circumstances where the developer community momemtum would be out the door from their viewpoint. Their options will be to cut prices and improve product quality in order to stay in business.
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OK, so you actually have been around for a while.
When I said 5 years, I meant that 21 year old had already 5 years at Atari Corporation, he started working there in high school. It seemed to me to be part of the real world at the time. The paychecks were certainly for real.
I've seen quite a few very experienced young people in IT. I have NO problem with the idea that there are others I haven't met.
It is unfortunate that people who judge IT professionals by criteria other than demonstrated competence are allowed to progress to management positions.
When I worked for Atari Coin-Op back in the late 1980s, one of our senior software engineers who'd been with the company 5 years was just celebrating his 21st birthday.
I have absolutely no problem with a 19 year old with 5 years IT experience. However, if you're making statements like yours in a public forum, I question your experience.
Whoever gave you a 5/insightful for your post demonstrates that the moderation system for slashdot has serious problems, your score should have been -1/Troll.
Anybody who can install PGP unassisted can run it by following the instructions in my PGP Quick Start Guide article at 8wire.
You mean you actually used EDLIN? MS worked that up as an intentional joke, like Easter Eggs and that sort of thing. There are a shitload of good DOS text / programmer's editors. I still use Q-Edit once in a long while.
This was the San Francisco Bay Area, circa 1995. We've got a bigger oversupply now at the end of the first dot-com boom.
Sounds like YET ANOTHER employment program put together by misguided do-gooders who didn't bother to check the job market before teaching the kids a "new career".
The question that needs to be answered now is what can be done to make the major content providers considerably less profitable so that the current generation of CEOs will be replaced by people more open to reason.
To put it differently, what would it take to make business as usual impossible to continue for the major content providers who have literally chosen to put their profits ahead of our freedom?
These arguments won't have any impact on our Congress because for the most part, our elected officials lack the intellectual ability to comprehend them, and in any case, they can be considered employees of the content providers.
What's left? Figuring out how to make the anti-democratic behavior of the content providers unprofitable by whatever means necessary.
Economic boycott against targeted content providers would be a good start.
The use of electromagnetic railguns as a low-cost way to move freight through space as an alternative to rockets.
The difference between now and when he wrote it (he called them "catapults") is that a shitload of money was spent on development of railguns in the context of SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative aka Starwars) since the early '60s when the book was written. While the SDI concept was a failure, the railgun technology worked.
Railguns can move the megatons required to build a space infrastructure for a few dollars a pound. Try that with rockets.
- -
There are too many people ranging from teachers through the spectrum of elected public officials who know that a public capable of finding things out for themselves is a direct threat to their jobs and their way of life.
I mean, the masses might start thinking for themselves if this happened.
I think all we can do with this is to put out what we know about getting to things and screening information and let the people capable of figuring out that they need to learn more about how to do this become a self-selected elite.
- -
Please do it now before you pollute the human gene pool any further. In the slashdot how-to tradition, I'll even tell you how.
1. Get a stick of dynamite, a blasting cap, and some vaseline.
2. Set up a videocam.
3. Turn on the videocam.
4. Insert the blasting cap into the stick of dynamite.
5. Cover the stick of dynamite with vaseline.
6. Stick the dynamite as far up your ass as possible.
7. Detonate the blasting cap.
You'll do the species a lot more good that way than you will by any possible contribution you think you can make to humanity.
This merely expands this crap into cyberspace.
However, the reason why I posted has nothing to do with this. If anybody using the Catholic ISP as a provider can read this (this site is probably banned) try some Catholic Church and Catholic organization sites and see how much their censorware software will let you read. Try for controversial subjects.
Let us know the results.
If they've managed to come up with censorware that works, they've finally managed an authentic miracle.
My guess is they've pulled off something a hell of a lot funnier.
>improve the quality of teaching from k12 to
>college (introduce computer science or coding ?)
>and you'll have better results !
I doubt that this would do you any good, as you're obviously too stupid to benefit from education delievered either via in-person or virtual means.
If you were capable of learning, I'd point you at the Voices from the Hellmouth series.
Or at the numerous statistics that demonstrate that private schools produce better education for less money.
>are seeing more, unpredictable, violent behavior,
>and suicide in youth
Numbers and sources, please, and if you want to be taken seriously, the sources had damned well better be recognizable.
"We'll also erect a giant statue in your image on the front lawn of our corporate headquarters*."
(*Giant statue offer void on the planet Earth)
Register it from the Space Station and have your lawyer send a letter demanding Qualcomm cough up the statue.
While SDI was never a really workable concept, some very nice technology was created for it. A lot of research was done on practical rail guns. A rail gun system big enough to put 1000 kg freight payloads into orbit would cost billions of dollars. It would get the cost of getting hardware to orbit to tens of dollars a pound instead of $10K per pound. This opens up the Solar System.
In other words, by your so-called logic, if I see an article about a site hack on Wired News or attrition.org and check it out, I deserve to have my door kicked in and my computer ripped off.
I might have been more polite about this if they'd merely copied the guy's hard drive and files using one of many forensic software packages on the market. . A warrant is supposed to allow a reasonable search under defined circumstances. They used it to take punitive action against him without proving him guilty of anything in a court of law.
While I doubt you are capable of doing anything more important with your computer than websurfing, some of us make our livings with our computers, others "merely" need them to finish our education.
Brain-damaged assholes like you making excuses for police state tactics are a fundamental precondition for the operation of a modern police state.
"They are only doing their jobs" "Don't ask questions." "They know what they're doing" and other rationalizations for conduct which if you had been educated properly, you'd know was wrong are the kind of thing seen in the early stages of a police state. The "good German", i.e., somebody like you, is the ideal citizen for a totalitarian state, you make excuses for police action that the police won't even bother to make for themselves.
People looking the other way and telling other people, "it's not that bad" are the sort of thing that keeps the herd asleep until it's too late to do anything about it.
In a free country with people in it who want it to stay free, your only possible purpose is as fertilizer for the lawns of your betters. I would advise against using your body however processed as food products, prions are amazingly persistent and most of us would rather not find out from experience what's wrong with that mass of reeking pus you call a brain.
The highest form of civic action you are capable ot taking is suicide, and if you want to do a good thing for America, you'll act on my suggestion immediately.
The nicest thing I can say about you is that you're a tard, and whack-a-tard is one of the more amusing things to do on the Net.
+DARE +school +ineffective
The following is the first few hits off Google using those search terms. I got 6,750 hits from them. I think your story is in there somewhere.The evidence points in one direction, and nobody on either side of "DRUGWARS" should have any interest in arguing it.
ABCNEWS.com : Study Finds D.A.R.E. Ineffective
Several Studies Suggest DARE Programs Ineffective
Project DARE Ineffective 10 Years Later!
Falcon's Cry: DARE found ineffective
Herald - Ineffective D.A.R.E. prevention program should be replaced
DARE's clout smothers other drug programs
Here's a quote from the article,"According to a Detroit News analysis of 33 Metro area school districts, there is no difference between teen drug and alcohol use in districts that offered DARE and in districts that did not. DARE is used in 70 of the 88 Metro districts."
I grabbed that one because it's from this year.
Do you get it now? There is no good news about DARE outside of the press releases from the people on the payroll.
OK, let's grant that the current people in charge are really good guys that won't let totalitarian regimes use their service. How long before this company is acquired by a corporation who has no social conscience and will sell the info to the highest bidder? Or a government with no hesitation about trading people's lives for better export treatment or other kinds of political deals?
I'm surprised that the hacker community hasn't already unloaded on these guys.
"Do realistically violent games and movies desensitize kids to the real thing? No doubt."
Evidence, please.
"Does it do so to the point where actual violence is much, much easier to commit? Unprovable."
If it's unprovable, why are you wasting our time?
"There are plenty of things that can cause a decrease in crime statistics, from better policing to bad reporting."
How about a decrease in violent criminal activity among young people? Apparently you're trying to dodge the conclusion Occam's Razor gives us because it doesn't fit your thesis.
"But claming that there's no correlation at all between virtual and actual violence, even in sarcasm, is just dodging the issue and irresponsible in the extreme."
Since you're the fool who's trying to demonstrate that there is a correlation against the evidence, the burden of proof that there's a correlation between actual and simulated violence is on you, and you not only don't meet it, you have asserted above that it's "unprovable". You make so little sense that I wonder if you're a politician yourself.
So you get your news from National Public Radio, also known as an organization that has stood firmly with the National Association of Broadcasters in it's attempt to preserve megacorporate domination of the airwaves by backing the attempt to overturn FCC regulations allowing low-power community radio stations onto the air citing "excessive interference". You didn't hear about that on your favorite radio station, either, did you? What else aren't they telling you?
You expect us to be impressed by your listening to NPR? Better to provide evidence that you're an informed citizen worthy of being listened to on public policy issues, and you've failed to do that as well.
It'll run on Win9.x (probably NT and 2000), Mac (probably OS9 and before). Zimmermann couldn't get his company to push this as a product, so he more or less put it in public domain, and if you think it needs to be run on Linux / other -ix operating systems, port it yourself.
Let's see, Intel just scrapped the Timna successor to the Celeron (how many millions of dollars just got flushed?), just had to recall the 1.13 GHz PIII ...that's all the bad news that comes to mind, but I don't follow Intel much, I'm running AMD just like I did on the last computer.
It's difficult to see just how much good their effort to ensure a clean and sober workplace has done either the company or its stockholders.
Sample quote from the article summary:
"By the time we get done, we have to walk away from everything we own, the lost profits, the medical and health costs--it will be well over $300,000, possibly $500,000," she said.
Some experts weren't surprised by Pheatt's findings.They say houses, offices and classrooms around the country have had problems with toxic mold. In Austin, Texas, last month, an elementary school was closed after officials found mold in the walls.
Outside scientists said that while they have not examined the Job Journal employees, the symptoms they described have been linked to the three strains of mold.
end quote
It appears that the 3 strains are the same ones mentioned in the article on Mir.
This is some serious shit here. As for why the business operators of Mir seem to be minimizing this, interesting question.
Note that the group in the office that got hammered was generally there during regular business hours, they weren't sealed in an air tank with the fungi and they still had serious consequences, not all of which were discussed in the article summary.
I'm trying to contact the publisher for more information.
I got " No employee record was found for the name that you entered"
Too bad, I wanted to thank the guy for producing an entertaining story.
As for a $1000 Windoze, suits me fine. It would give the entire PC manufacturing community lots of reasons to support Linux and to put money into the kind of development that is yet to be done in order to make Linux and its applications usable for one's computer illiterate grandparents.
I really want to see that. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to advise somebody who's new to computers to buy a computer, spend a day showing them the ropes, and NOT have to provide unpaid customer support afterwards?
However, I really don't think anybody at M$hit is really stupid enough to commit to the course of suicidal stupidity described in the PDF.
In a post-breakup environment, they would have to compete for real with stable operating systems under circumstances where the developer community momemtum would be out the door from their viewpoint. Their options will be to cut prices and improve product quality in order to stay in business.