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Ten Things We Still Don't Understand About Humans

ParticleGirl writes "New Scientist has an article examining 10 human features (bugs?) that we still don't understand, like blushing, laughing, and nose-picking. There are some interesting, speculative evolutionary explanations listed for each. '[Psychologist Robert R. Provine] thinks laughing began in our pre-human ancestors as a physiological response to tickling. Modern apes maintain the ancestral 'pant-pant' laugh when they are tickled during play, and this evolved into the human 'ha-ha.' Then, he argues, as our brains got bigger, laughter acquired a powerful social function — to bond people. Indeed, Robin Dunbar at the University of Oxford has found that laughing increases levels of endorphins, our body's natural opiates, which he believes helps to strengthen social relationships.'"

397 comments

  1. Nose picking? by 18_Rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's not to understand? It clears the nose!

    1. Re:Nose picking? by Kokuyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And is so much less uncomfortable than blowing your nose.

    2. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      And let's not forget how much fun it is. Not to mention how it drives the ladies wild.

    3. Re:Nose picking? by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And it dislodges whatever blowing your nose couldn't.

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    4. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, we do it because it tastes great

    5. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But TFA assumes we eat our snot after!

    6. Re:Nose picking? by PitaBred · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aye. And it happens in children who are still not coordinated enough to figure out HOW to blow their nose. I'd love to get some grant money to study that...

    7. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's exactly what it is for. As mentioned above, even kids do it instinctively.

      The mucus in the nose protects the soft tissue and captures lots of bacteria and other germs. That stuff needs cleaned out every once in a while and blowing your nose can not get all that encrusted stuff out. You want rotting bacteria in your nose?

    8. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally I think the nose and the nasal passages are undergoing some of the fastest evolution of any part of the body right now. You see a huge variation in nose shape around the world, and I don't know about you but personally my nose is one of the most annoying parts of my body, not allowing enough air through and often getting clogged, sometimes running, sometimes bleeding for no reason, and getting boogers (there must be a technical term, please enlighten me). I often wonder if people with different-shaped noses have the same problems I do, or if these problems are solved in the nose designs of other races.

    9. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you claim that children who pick their noses contributes to global warming somehow, you will get all of the funding you want.

    10. Re:Nose picking? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obligatory:
      Why do gorillas have such big nostrils?

      Because they have big fingers.

    11. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because it's less filling!

    12. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      And it dislodges whatever blowing your nose couldn't.

      This one morning... I had one of those hard, pointy bits of dried mucus in my nose, I had to pull it out, the poking was painful. It was firmly glued to the side of my nose, and I ended up pulling out a long strand that felt like it had been filling up a sinus cavity all the way across my cheekbone. It felt like my head was 5 pounds lighter after that! It was magical, I tell you.

    13. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you RTFA, you would see they are not referring to the first act of picking, but the second act of how some people dispose of it.

    14. Re:Nose picking? by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

      Think of the children!

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    15. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Variation doesn't imply evolution. Selecting out bad versions of the nose is what would cause evolution. Are you suggesting we not have children with people who get bloody noses?

    16. Re:Nose picking? by Ozan · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think the author equates nose picking with eating one's boogers, Mucophagy. I would really like to know why people do THAT.

      As for nose-picking itself, since humans are dry-nosed primates, drying of mucus in the nose is natural and cleaning it out is as well.

    17. Re:Nose picking? by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh, man, I know what you mean. Totally understand. I've felt that one. Nothin' like going from 1% clear nasal passages to 1% blocked.

      Very few things in life feel better.

      Mods: I'm 100% serious. Putting aside any personal feelings of disgust, how many of you agree? You all know it's true.

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    18. Re:Nose picking? by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This has to be true. Think about it - how did people clear their noses before facial wipes of any kind (handkerchief, tissue, anything) was invented? There seems to be no more natural way to go about it than just to pick it.

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    19. Re:Nose picking? by mooingyak · · Score: 2, Informative

      boogers (there must be a technical term, please enlighten me)

      Dried nasal mucus

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    20. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell does it matter? Rotting = a different kind of bacteria chowing down. Bacteria's bacteria.

    21. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less filling!

    22. Re:Nose picking? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      +2 Informative?

      Really, slashdot?

      I realize there's no +/-1 gross, but Informative?

    23. Re:Nose picking? by santax · · Score: 1

      guys... some things are private... really...

    24. Re:Nose picking? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 1

      Or, for that matter, claim that children picking their noses prove that global warming is a lie. The funding sources just come from the opposite camp.

    25. Re:Nose picking? by Anachragnome · · Score: 1

      "I often wonder if people with different-shaped noses have the same problems I do, or if these problems are solved in the nose designs of other races."

      There is evidence to suggest that may be the case.

      http://www.drabruzzi.com/images/nose6.jpg

    26. Re:Nose picking? by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      I have a normal nose with none of those problems, except I do get boogers, which aren't a problem since they are fun to pick. Was your nose broken once upon a time perhaps? You'd think a nose like yours would have devolved itself generations ago.

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    27. Re:Nose picking? by skaet · · Score: 1

      Allow me to direct you to where this belongs: http://www.4chan.org/

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    28. Re:Nose picking? by skeeto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And isn't that such a great feeling of accomplishment when you pull out a nice big dry one? When you feel it peel away from the inside of the nose. I almost want to save them to look back on.

    29. Re:Nose picking? by Vu1turEMaN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it doesn't.

      Honesty and truthfulness have little value over there, whereas 2 +5's obviously show that everyone agrees with them here.

    30. Re:Nose picking? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Because you aren't doing it right. Once you've mastered the Farmers Blow, it never again becomes an issue.

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    31. Re:Nose picking? by X0563511 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is interesting.

      My nostrils are nearly the exact same size as my fingertips.

      Is this true for others as well?

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    32. Re:Nose picking? by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think I've just discovered my next porn fetish. Women pulling impossibly enormous and elastic snots from their nose. Slowly.

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    33. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Once, I'd been sick with (what I thought) was a head cold for like, two weeks. It seemed to be getting better only very slowly. Then one day, while I was sitting at the computer, I feel something shift deep in my nasal cavity. Suddenly, something back there dropped and was heading down my throat. I reflexively gagged, as if I could have thrown up had the offending mystery gone much farther down. It ended up in my mouth for a brief moment before I reflexively spat it on the (carpeted, sadly) floor.

      It turned out to be a rather long plug of mucus, the middle hard, the outside rather gooey (nearly like that slime stuff they used to sell in tubs as toys). It was awful, awful stuff, and I was too creeped out by it to experiment much with it.

      Regardless, almost immediately my cold symptoms lifted 90%, and I was pretty much fully recovered from the "cold" the next day.

      I guess what happened was, one of my sinuses got clogged (and perhaps infected), and that's what was causing the symptoms. By happy chance, the plug managed to exit my sinus on its own, and then everything was better.

      Wish I could have manually extracted it!

    34. Re:Nose picking? by BillGod · · Score: 1

      Ha I just find it funny this is modded 5 informative.. REALLY? did we need to be informed. We need a 6 informative but don't need to know.

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    35. Re:Nose picking? by armchairyoda · · Score: 1

      By the way, every reply to the parent is modded +5 Insightful/Informative at some point... I'll Just let that sink in for a second.

    36. Re:Nose picking? by BinaryX01 · · Score: 1

      No, because it's less filling

    37. Re:Nose picking? by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      Recent studies have show that kids who eat their boogers tend to be sick less often later in life. They believe that the injestion of these bacteria in small doses boosts our immune system.

      1 down, 9 to go!

    38. Re:Nose picking? by ozbird · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the author equates nose picking with eating one's boogers, Mucophagy. I would really like to know why people do THAT.

      Snort or pick, it's still the same booger.

    39. Re:Nose picking? by SlashWombat · · Score: 1, Troll

      Not to mention the taste is out of this world.

    40. Re:Nose picking? by ChameleonDave · · Score: 1

      The camp with money, in that case.

    41. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you don't have to wipe it on your shirt!

      (captcha: "astute", yes I am :D )

    42. Re:Nose picking? by msheekhah · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had my nose severeley broken, like in 7 places just on the left side.... had a tube up my nose for a couple of weeks after the surgery... my nose hair and skin grew into the gauze and when they pulled it out... OUCH... but my point is after that, I get the crusties all the time... those you can't do anything put pick them out... what I hate are the crusties that are all dry on the end you grab, but turn out goo on the other side...

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    43. Re:Nose picking? by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Informative

      And for some extra nasal bandwidth, try neti.

      BTW, blowing your nose is a really nasty practice, because is pushes the goo further into your sinuses. Of course, in some social situations it's the only acceptable way :-/

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    44. Re:Nose picking? by rishistar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm a vegan you insensitive clod!

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    45. Re:Nose picking? by FungusCannon · · Score: 0

      I think the author equates nose picking with eating one's boogers, Mucophagy. I would really like to know why people do THAT.

      It's a convenient way to get rid of it. Seriously!

    46. Re:Nose picking? by rvw · · Score: 1

      This one morning... I had one of those hard, pointy bits of dried mucus in my nose, I had to pull it out, the poking was painful. It was firmly glued to the side of my nose, and I ended up pulling out a long strand that felt like it had been filling up a sinus cavity all the way across my cheekbone. It felt like my head was 5 pounds lighter after that! It was magical, I tell you.

      This reads like a nasal gontse (guy opens nose to show everone)!

    47. Re:Nose picking? by Jaroslav.Tucek · · Score: 1

      Please don't tell me that someone somewhere is really devoting research grants to study nose-picking ... duh, in the meantime NASA's Europa mission is being postponed for years because of budget cuts...

    48. Re:Nose picking? by andrea.sartori · · Score: 1

      Thanks for sharing this with us.

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    49. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, we do it because it tastes great

      Less filling.

    50. Re:Nose picking? by GarryFre · · Score: 1

      Exactly! I'll be damed if I am going to tolerate my nose feeling like a rock quarry with all chock full of boulders superglued into placee, just because I could blow my nose till my head explodes and not budge a single one just because some asshole thinks I should spend my life feeling like I got beans rattling in my nose.

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    51. Re:Nose picking? by GarryFre · · Score: 1

      Magical hehe, yep totally. We should all get ahold of these bean counter researchers and educate them about this. Obviously if they haven't figured this out by now, they are doomed without our help.

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    52. Re:Nose picking? by jefu · · Score: 1

      I think I remember reading something a year or so ago that suggested that nose-picking actually helped to improve children's overall disease resistance by exposing them to more airborn pathogens internally. Eating dirt was also mentioned in the same context.

    53. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, less filling

      in the nose anyway

    54. Re:Nose picking? by lxs · · Score: 2, Funny

      But you're missing out on a taste sensation and hours of fun.

    55. Re:Nose picking? by Terrorwrist · · Score: 0

      Eating boogers provides us a daily dose of Vitamin B.

    56. Re:Nose picking? by Troed · · Score: 1

      "other races"

      ?

    57. Re:Nose picking? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I thought it was because it's less filling?

    58. Re:Nose picking? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Mods: I'm 100% serious. Putting aside any personal feelings of disgust, how many of you agree? You all know it's true.

      The mods clearly agree. It's official - the longest unbroken string of +4 and +5 informative/insightfuls I have ever seen is a paean to nose picking. C'mon guys! We're never gonna shed the basement-dwelling nerd image at this rate, and the only girls who will look at us will be ones who pick THEIR noses!

      (And with that, now it's disgusting again.)

    59. Re:Nose picking? by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 1

      I wasn't sure if the AC I was responding to was trying to be disgusting and get mods to waste their points on down-modding. Because I was agreeing when I responded, I felt it was necessary to leave a little note asking the current mods to put their personal feelings aside and judge the ideas on the merits of the ideas.

      I just didn't want to get "-1, Uncomfortable conversation topic."

      But thank you for that insightful observation that the mods are judging the ideas, not their personal feelings on the ideas. Makes me feel better.

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    60. Re:Nose picking? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      What about NOSA's Sinal Explorer? Will it be postponed as well?

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    61. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now explain elephants

    62. Re:Nose picking? by marceloramires · · Score: 1

      "clears the nose" would be an answer to pubic hair also!

    63. Re:Nose picking? by rizole · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because people are animals and animals will eat anything edible if they get nutrition out of it. Oxpeckers groom the animals of the african savanha eating dandruff and earwax (which I hear is the same stuff as snot in a different form) amoung other things. A cats digestion is inefficient and there is still enough protein left in the end result for some dogs to want to eat it. There's an evolutionary advantage to enjoying your food no matter how disgusting.

    64. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less filling.

    65. Re:Nose picking? by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      But thank you for that insightful observation that the mods are judging the ideas, not their personal feelings on the ideas. Makes me feel better.

      Maybe I was just observing that they're as disgusting as everyone else.;)

    66. Re:Nose picking? by virtue3 · · Score: 1

      I gotta tell ya, my boss got me hooked on the sinus rinse stuff. I use a pressurized version (the neti pot never manages to plow through without a good couple of tries...). I feel 1000% better most of the time cuz of it. My boss sweared by it because he no longer needed allergy meds nor suffered from hay fever. Stuff is magic!

    67. Re:Nose picking? by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      Um, my sis is a microbio and that is exactly her thinking on the matter.

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    68. Re:Nose picking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, apart from looking bad, nose picking help cleaning only the last trait of your nose and it help exchanging bacterial infections between fingers and your nose mucosae.

      Trust me, try nasal irrigation. It's safe, it's healthy and it keeps your nose clean for days.

    69. Re:Nose picking? by zobier · · Score: 1

      Saline nasal spray FTW!

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  2. #1 by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The desire to be first

    1. Re:#1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Desire to be first does not apply /everywhere/

    2. Re:#1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The desire to be first

      And the crushing despair that follows when one fails.

  3. Missed one: by ninjapiratemonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Women.

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    1. Re:Missed one: by joocemann · · Score: 3, Funny

      It has already been understood. Women are da debbil, like that foosball.

    2. Re:Missed one: by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      You should be glad there aren't any members of the fairer sex on Slashdot. You'd get your ass kicked.

    3. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't. I do. In fact I changed from your point of view to being able to not only understand how women think but sometimes even play on their motivations like on a piano. Nice side effect: Works on men too! :) But of course, any unfair manipulation is completely out of question. Analog to "white hat hacking".

      But for you I have one single rule that you have to burn into your brain like your life would depend on it:
      It's not important what you say, but how you say it. Or more general, how it feels.

      This works while flirting, in every day communication, when arguing, when she asks if she looks fat, in creating a situation that will make her hot, etc, etc, etc.
      You can walk up to a girl, and literally say the biggest crap. If it creates the right feeling in her, it will work.
      That's why pickup lines are completely use- and pointless.

      Politicians and especially advertisers are professionals in this too. Because it works on the more "basic" emotional brain. (Which really is not "simpler" than logic, but just another kind of intelligence.)

      Never forgetting that single thing will help you more than any stupid relationship-help book. (Ok, I guess most of these include this nowadays.)

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    4. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, I forgot: Of course I meant "how it feels for her"! Which means you have to listen to your emotional brain. Something that goes a bit against the stereotype of the cool western male, but in the end will make you a more manly man. (Protip: You still don't have to actually show all of those emotions. ^^)

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    5. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, it's about things we don't understand in *humans*.

      OW OW OW OW OW OW OW STOP IT. I was kidding, I'm not going to post it.

    6. Re:Missed one: by ninjapiratemonkey · · Score: 1

      All nice and well, but that's still not understanding women. You just have the operators manual. It's similar to knowing how to drive a car, or knowing that you can run. Most people can (somewhat) drive, but they probably couldn't tell you how it worked. They can give you an explanation like "the gas goes through the pipes to the engine and then it goes vroom!", but they won't understand how it works. It just does; much like your explanation on how you understand women. You don't. You simply know how to push the buttons in the right way to get them to do what you want.

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    7. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know, the level of unethical manipulation, objectivization, self-involvement, narcissism, and sexism in your theory seems perfectly consistent with the "stereotype of the cool western male."

      But you're right about not needing relationship-help books. They also just slap together half-assed, pseudo-psychology and painfully obvious observations on rhetoric.

      It's going to be painful, when you realize just how many women see right through your pose.

    8. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But do we really want to understand why if we know already how to operate the buttons?

      My theory is that they are addicted to emotion, not a man's emotion but THEIR emotions. Men OTOH are trained from a younger age to discard emotions, to suck it up.

    9. Re:Missed one: by diego.viola · · Score: 1

      Research about Fabio Fusaro and you will understand them.

    10. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can give you an explanation like "the gas goes through the pipes to the engine and then it goes vroom!", but they won't understand how it works.

      Sounds like they still know more about cars than the former owners of General Motors!

    11. Re:Missed one: by jerep · · Score: 1

      What you're trying to understand women? I gave up on that long ago.

    12. Re:Missed one: by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      What? I'm one and I don't even understand them. I don't even understand myself, those days when I do things that in a logical way I would never do. That's what I get for being a geeky lady: you do brain stuff, and still there are days where my female hormones reign. Is hell, believe me, hell!

    13. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a break. You post on Slashdot. You're not some expert womanizer. Take that goofy pickup community crap to the seminars where it belongs. Even your community's most well-known success story, that bald guy who wrote that book, lost his girlfriend to another guy.

    14. Re:Missed one: by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Fair? Unfortunately, I've come to learn that they are just as unfair as the other.

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    15. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are full of... bullwisdom*1.

      *1 word automatically replaced by Apple iSwearNot.

    16. Re:Missed one: by Sciros · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can walk up to a girl, and literally say the biggest crap. If it creates the right feeling in her, it will work.

      I disagree, I walked up to a girl, and indeed literally said "the biggest crap," and it didn't work.

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    17. Re:Missed one: by Panzor · · Score: 1

      Now's the part where you get hit on. They'll get their ass kicked for THAT. As gbarules said,

      A: fairer sex on slashdot
      B: ass kicked

      A -> B

      True statement. My God, discrete math has scarred me!

    18. Re:Missed one: by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Apparently you said it in the wrong way :)

    19. Re:Missed one: by reallyjoel · · Score: 1

      You just said it wrong. You need to really believe what you're saying, believe your own crap.

    20. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because you obviously walked up to the wrong one!

    21. Re:Missed one: by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      Suck, squeeze, bang, blow. Applies to car engines exactly as it applies to women.

    22. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Try saying it again, this time with feeling

    23. Re:Missed one: by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      You need to say it to a woman as you're walking out of the bathroom. If she's the right one, she'll respond with something like "Yeah, I know what you're talking about."

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    24. Re:Missed one: by aurelianito · · Score: 1

      You can walk up to a girl, and literally say the biggest crap. If it creates the right feeling in her, it will work.

      I disagree, I walked up to a girl, and indeed literally said "the biggest crap," and it didn't work.

      How did you said it?

    25. Re:Missed one: by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      The awesome thing about understanding women is that you really only need to figure out one of them.

    26. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Because you created the wrong feeling of course. Come here, and I will literally open a girl with that exact sentence. I'll even bet two expensive cocktails on it! :)

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    27. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. That's why all this "Mistery method"-based pickup "techniques" by definition are doomed to fail.

      You can't play something. You have to *be* it. Of course that's also the catch. ;)

      About the "unethical" stuff: Of course power always gives you the ability to do unethical stuff. But do you want someone to love/like/respect you because you manipulated her, or because he/she really loves/likes/respects you? You will notice that the former just never really can make you happy. It feels fake.
      As I clearly stated in my comment, I couldn't do such things. My "soul" just rejects it, because it goes against my most basic motivations of doing something good to both of us.
      When I approach women, I do it with the question "How can I make this fun and something good and valuable for both of us.". How could someone ever reject that? :D

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    28. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      So you assume that you know enough of my knowledge, to judge if I really understand women, from reading my two comments?
      Really?
      I think that could have come trough better, no? :)

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have the strong feeling, that your definition of "understanding" always shifts deeper, when someone comes up with a deeper explanation of the inner workings. No? ;)
      Ok, if not, then I'll try to define "understanding" from your comment. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

      Perhaps the best method would be, to define a point on the scale that goes from no understanding to defining it down to the effects of an all-encompassing world formula.
      What would be a realistic point here?
      Most likely the one, that helps you to never have misunderstandings with women again. (Driving the car flawlessly.)
      Or the one, that enables you to perfectly think like a woman. (My guess on what your definition of "really understanding" is.)

      Well, I guess we can agree, that my comments showed, that I'm pretty clear about the former.

      Now about the latter: What would define the perfect understanding of female thought?
      How about being able to flawlessly predict her reactions to everything? Including complex and long-term results.
      Right?

      But does it have to be 100% flawless and perfect? Not really, right? We're only human. So a specific level should be enough to state that we really are able to do something.
      Ok, then you can be the judge on this:
      I have many female and male friends, that ask me when they have personal or relationship problems. (I like helping people, because their success is a bit my own success. Just like with children.)
      The girls often wonder, why I understand them so well, while their boyfriend doesn't. And men tell me that I was right with how they would react.
      But I also often get into situations, where I say something about what will happen in the future. And they insist that they are not going to act like that.
      Yet afterwards, we talk about it. And I was, according to them, better at predicting them, than they were themselves. :)

      I must say, that I think that I can actually feel like a girl. Maybe because I am not ashamed by it because I do care so much, what everybody thinks. I know that I am still a manly man. Maybe even more so, because of the strength that it gives me.

      Of course you can freely dispute everything I said. Because it's only words. And because we could only finally settle it, when you would watch me act, and see for yourself, how good or bad my predictions are. Or you can just continue to define that I'm outside of your definition of "real understanding". (Just please then also provide that definition. :)

      I think it would help you, to also use near-complete knowledge, instead of rejecting it because it's not perfect. :)

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    29. Re:Missed one: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The problem is, that it is just commonly assumed, that logic would be the highest form of intelligence, and that the emotional intelligence -- the one that women are really good at -- would be "lower" or somehow primitive.

      So even women who call themselves "emancipated" really just run behind male ideals of intellectualism and engineer jobs, etc.

      Who states that they are better? Seriously. Who came up with the stupid idea, that people skills, ability to sense emotions, and especially the ability to raise children well, would be bad things? I don't even think that there is a more important skill than the ability to raise and understand children. And that this is not the most respected job in the world really is a shame.

      So... appreciate your female skills. Your "illogical" emotional brain is a strength. Work with it, instead of suppressing it. Aren't those "illogical" things often also those that feel the best?
      What do you think why they feel the best? Not because they are inherently wrong, for sure!
      Allow yourself to just let the hormones reign. Cry like crazy, get angry, laugh, love, hate, play all your emotions. Only by allowing them, can you relieve that "hell".

      And don't let anyone tell you that because you are starting fights for no reason, then after them suddenly are happy, you are crazy, or something like that. You are not. It's girl style. It's good. You are even allowed to call it fun! And if a male friend really understands your needs, you both can handle it without hurting your relationship. You can also even improve it.

      Or as a web-economy business plan:
      1. Find out who you *really* are.
      2. Accept and love that one.
      3. Be yourself. (That real you.) Don't bend yourself for others.
      4. ...
      5. PROFIT! ;) (Notice how all interactions with others, and your own life, start to improve.)

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    30. Re:Missed one: by Smallpond · · Score: 1
    31. Re:Missed one: by luder · · Score: 1

      You forgot to point at yourself while saying it.

    32. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, the level of unethical manipulation, objectivization, self-involvement, narcissism, and sexism in your theory seems perfectly consistent with the "stereotype of the cool western male."

      It's not a theory. Women(for all primates) select mates based on social status and confidence. Like any trait resulting from evolution, it is not perfect.

      It's going to be painful, when you realize just how many women see right through your pose.

      As any man will tell you, primal urges can easily overcome logic.

    33. Re:Missed one: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, the level of unethical manipulation, objectivization, self-involvement, narcissism, and sexism in your theory seems perfectly consistent with the "stereotype of the cool western male."

      Sincerity. Women like sincerity. If you can fake that, then you've got it made.

    34. Re:Missed one: by SnEptUne · · Score: 1

      There is no point in only understanding on person, and live a sheltered life with only the one person you can understand. Nevertheless, it is equally pointless to understand the world but lose yourself. Neither women nor men are universal, they are connected but are diverse. Reality is only what you perceive, so understanding "women" is only imaginative.

    35. Re:Missed one: by Ninja+Programmer · · Score: 1

      I don't know, the level of unethical manipulation, objectivization, self-involvement, narcissism, and sexism in your theory seems perfectly consistent with the "stereotype of the cool western male."

      In case you missed it -- women do this to men all the time. They typically start "the game" one step ahead of most men in this way. When they want a certain outcome in a relationship they say things to manipulate the guy; or at the very least that's a very typical tool in their toolbox (to say they always do this is an over-generalization). This has actually been clinically tested -- women have natural superior ability in something called "intentionality" (think of it as the opposite of Asperger's syndrome, which tends to affect men more). That is to say, they more naturally think in terms of what you or others in general are thinking and are more likely to act in accordance to that. Men more natural try to build simpler models of the world.

      Hurricane78 is probably just someone who has seen through this and has the mental capacity to "turn the game around" in a sense, and "play the game" at their level.

  4. Or why people still take ... by Charles+Dodgeson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... the New Sensationalist seriously as a science magazine.

    (Fine, mod this flamebait. I've got Karma to burn and I really dislike that rag.)

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    1. Re:Or why people still take ... by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... the New Sensationalist [newscientist.com] seriously as a science magazine.

      Yeah, particularly as the article uses the outmoded term "altruism" for helping behaviour, and for some reason says, "most people say it doesn't make any evolutionary sense." I guess by "most people" they mean "most people who know nothing about the extensive and sound work on kin-selection and the evolutionary advantages of being a member of a group that engages in helping behaviour that has taken place in the past fifty years."

      Seriously, helping behaviour hasn't been an issue for a couple of decades, and only then amongst the innumerate hangers-on from an earlier era. No one who knows anything about modern evolutionary thinking believes it is an issue today, which pretty much means, "New Sensationalist chooses ignorant ass to make up plausible bullshit to sell magazines to ignorant people under the guise of science."

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    2. Re:Or why people still take ... by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Parent is not a flaimbait. NewScientist is definitely "new stupidist" in this article.

      For example, it's clear that altruism is generally good for the community (even though it might be detrimental to an individual), thus it makes perfect sense that we've evolved it. Same for blushing.

      Etc.

    3. Re:Or why people still take ... by Kratisto · · Score: 1

      If you needed any more convincing, half their articles are top 10 lists like this one.

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    4. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Parent is not a flaimbait.

      For example, it's clear that altruism is generally good for the community (even though it might be detrimental to an individual)

      I would like to point out, from altruistic motivations, that the word is "flamebait", not "flaimbait".

      I apologize for any detrimental impact that this may have upon you as an individual.

    5. Re:Or why people still take ... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Not a problem :)

      I like when someone helps to hone my English skills.

    6. Re:Or why people still take ... by dominious · · Score: 1
      I agree with you, and more as they mention Art :

      Sexual display, learning tool or form of social glue? Art still refuses to be pinned down

      WTF? How about a way of expression?? It all starts when you have something in your head and there is no other way to communicate it...

    7. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the conclusion is right, drugs bond people. I mean, our natural opiates.. whichever natural opiates... hell. :-)

    8. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your phrasing implies group selection, which has been outside the orthodoxy for decades. Selective altruism can be good for a gene (itself and all its replicas).

    9. Re:Or why people still take ... by dhasenan · · Score: 1

      "Altruism" is a standard term for this in evolutionary literature. Deal with it.

    10. Re:Or why people still take ... by Bobb9000 · · Score: 1

      I'm curious - do you or any others reading this have any suggestions for a good, solid, wide-ranging science news magazine? I like a lot of things about New Scientist, but I find its periodic wanderings off into pop drivel and (as you say) sensationalism tiresome. It's been better than many of the others I've found, though, which is a sad commentary on the field. What do you all read instead?

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      Bobb9000 - raised by the wolves,
      Oxford education as phrased by the wolves.
    11. Re:Or why people still take ... by radtea · · Score: 1

      For example, it's clear that altruism is generally good for the community (even though it might be detrimental to an individual)

      Helping behaviour (not altruism, which is an obsolete ethical term from a ridiculous moral theory that has no place in ethics, much less biology) increases the individual's chances of having his or her genes represented in future generations. That is, by the only standard of "good" that evolution recognizes, "good for the individual."

      There may be other standards of good that you want to invoke for other reasons, but in any discussion of evolution, reproductive fitness, including the contribution of kin to reproductive fitness, is the only standard of good that matters.

      Helping behaviour is not "good for the community" because evolution doesn't select for communities, it almost always selects for individuals or very, very closely related individuals--families at best, not communities in anything remotely resembling the usual sense of the word "community". In extremely rare and unusual cases evolution selects for individual genes, but since the unit of selection is the individual, not the gene, this is a minor effect in comparison.

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    12. Re:Or why people still take ... by Inthewire · · Score: 1

      What do you all read instead?

      Slashdot.

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      Writers imply. Readers infer.
    13. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a problem :)

      I like when someone helps to hone my English skills.

      Good on you! And, to the asshole that modded my previous post "Troll": It wasn't intended as such, and such a moderation, especially when the person to whom the post was addressed has since taken it as it was intended: I hope you get meta-moderated into oblivion. While I certainly could have been more obsequious, and much less terse, so as to placate those here with mod points whose reading skills are meager at best and who always assume their own prejudices, I chose not to do so, and so you, clueless Moderator, are politely invited to kindly go fuck yourself.

      Not that it matters, I suppose: Who cares what an AC says anyway, right?

    14. Re:Or why people still take ... by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      Nature!

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    15. Re:Or why people still take ... by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      scientific american, perhaps?

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    16. Re:Or why people still take ... by linguizic · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I was once fortunate enough to have dinner with E. O. Wilson and I was trying to talk to him about how I can advance sociobiology in my own discipline linguistics and he basically said "pshhh sociobiology, that Rguments pretty much over". So I think for him it's over for the people that matter most to him. However, the social sciences are a ways from accepting it even in the watered down form also known as "evolutionary psychology".

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    17. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the parent seems to understand what they're talking about, you don't.

      Traits are never (naturally) selected for being "generally good for the community." Traits are selected when they increase their likelihood of being passed on relative to their alleles. Sometimes this corresponds to "good for the community", sometimes it runs counter. There must statistically be a benefit to the gene relative to its competitors, in that host or others.

    18. Re:Or why people still take ... by yali · · Score: 1

      Except that if you actually click through the word "Altruism" to the writeup, you'll see that they mention kin selection and reciprocity in the very first paragraph.

      Also, the word "altruism" is not outmoded in the scientific literature. Nor is it a synonym for helping behavior. In fact, that seems to be the source of your confusion. Altruism refers to behaviors that benefit others but not the individual doing the behavior -- and in the context of TFA (and many philosophical discussions), evolutionary advantage is not considered "real" altruism. "Altruism" is thus being used here to refer to helping behavior that confers no evolutionary advantage. Which is why it is a mystery from an evolutionary perspective. QED.

    19. Re:Or why people still take ... by Ed+Avis · · Score: 1

      If 'altruism' is no longer a fashionable term, what do the cool scientists say nowadays?

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    20. Re:Or why people still take ... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      How long is Scientific American? Also, how much (if any) is only interesting to Americans?

      I have a subscription to New Scientist (£132/year for 52 issues) but I don't find time to read every issue. There are 40 pages of content in the current issue (I didn't count the adverts or the jobs section).

      Scientific American is $44 for 12 issues (seems to be monthly?), which surprisingly works out to be 30p cheaper per issue. Is it shorter, or does it just have more advertising?

      (The prices above are for a subscription for someone in the UK. US/rest-of-Europe subscribers would pay $154/€211 and $25/$44 respectively.)

    21. Re:Or why people still take ... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Traits ARE selected on a 'good for community' basis. Remember, evolution operates on the level of the whole species. Individuals do not evolve, species do.

      I.e. if you have a community of egoistic bastards who will kill their own kin instead of helping them, then this community is likely to be wiped out in case of a disaster.

      Compare this to a community of altruists helping each other - they'll have a higher probability to survive a disaster, even though some individuals may die. So the genome of altruistic community will be more viable. In other words, individuals surrounded by altruists are more likely to survive.

      Tabu-behaviors are another similar thing. For example, in wolf packs only "alpha" (sometimes "beta" and "gamma") males/females mate, so only the most robust genes pass to the next generations. Even though it's detrimental for individual wolfs (who do not get a chance to mate).

      So, go and read books. I highly recommend Dawkins' "Egoistic Gene".

    22. Re:Or why people still take ... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "Helping behaviour is not "good for the community" because evolution doesn't select for communities, it almost always selects for individuals or very, very closely related individuals--families at best, not communities in anything remotely resembling the usual sense of the word "community"."

      Read my answer here: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1329789&cid=28995643

    23. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear that altruism is generally good for the individual's genes (even though it might be detrimental to the indidivual organism), thus it makes perfect sense that we've evolved it.

      Fixed that for you.

    24. Re:Or why people still take ... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      True Dat. Most useless fake "science" article I've ever read. Wondering why we dream? And saying science doesn't know. Bullshit. Why do we _think_. When you are asleep your subconscious is _thinking_. The rest of it is more twitter blurb bullshit.

    25. Re:Or why people still take ... by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      I have only read it at friends, so this is by memory, but the magazine is fairly large.. I'd say 40 pages is probably not too far off. It has adverts, but not overly many. Not many of the articles are american interest per se, but it is sometimes obvious that it is Americans writing the article (the silly units, e.g.).

      or $5 you could buy an issue in the digital edition. Probably the cheapest way to evaluate it!

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    26. Re:Or why people still take ... by Troed · · Score: 1

      I've been a subscriber to SA for ... a decade or so I believe. I switched to the digital version a few years back (pdf, read it on my mobile) and while I have issues with the "oh noes global warming climate changing whatever EARTH IS DYING" articles the rest are pretty ok. It's quite seldom US specific, although sometimes around elections it gets a bit boring.

      Checking through some of the latest pdfs indicates it's around 75 pages in each issue - but I didn't exclude ads then.

    27. Re:Or why people still take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a long time Scientific American reader, I can say that it does not really cater to "American"s, but it was established over 150 years ago, when the name probably made more sense.
      It has a lot of ads, but also a lot of content, (I just counted 57 pages in a random recent issue, not counting ads or table of contents). However several years ago it underwent an editorial change to be more popular, and, in my opinion, I don't find it as informative as it once was. It used to be really good at finding a balance between being too technical for a laymen and too dumbed down for a scientist, but now it seems watered down for the masses, a little like "light" beer that started out as American lager (already a light beer) and then had more taste removed.

    28. Re:Or why people still take ... by skangas · · Score: 1

      It's not very hard to realize that the same mechanisms which would allow for helpful behavior in a small group might also allow for helpful behavior on an aggregated scale. That is to say, the thing in our brain which tells us "it's good to help one another" might not be able to distinguish between situations depending on whether there is an evolutionary benefit to the action or not.

      The timeframe in which altruistic behavior according to your definition would even be possible is miniscule compared to the time it took our species to evolve. We invented agriculture a mere 10,000 years ago. Philanthropy didn't become a possibility until much later. This means there simply hasn't been enough time for the "nice on small scale but asshole on large scale"-gene to evolve.

      There is also the possibility not all human behavior is encoded in our genes, but in our society (education, parenting, religious values etc).

    29. Re:Or why people still take ... by multi+io · · Score: 1

      It all starts when you have something in your head and there is no other way to communicate it...

      And what would be the evolutionary advantage in communicating it?

    30. Re:Or why people still take ... by The+Archon+V2.0 · · Score: 1

      Sexual display, learning tool or form of social glue? Art still refuses to be pinned down

      WTF? How about a way of expression??

      I've yet to see someone who tries to interpret art who goes for the obvious. It's also worth noting that that's about the only time I've seen the words "sexual" and "glue" used together without it being a funny ER story.

    31. Re:Or why people still take ... by arminw · · Score: 1

      ...Which is why it is a mystery from an evolutionary perspective....

      Many human behaviors and characteristics which are hard to explain by evolution, have an alternate, better explanation from the creationist perspective. Altruism and superstition, for example, can be grouped under the larger category of religion. Art and creativity are other aspects of human behavior that are better explained by the creationist model. Nobody has ever found a culture or ethnic group that does not practice some form of religion.

      The Bible tells us that God is love and he proved that love by sending Jesus Christ. The Bible also tells us that man is made in the image of God and therefore also has been given the ability to love. Scientists observe the universe and living things. They can if they want to observe God's creativity. Some scientists actually do appreciate God's creation. Because God loves beauty and is creative, man also does to art, music, great architecture and on and on.

      Laughter does not only have to occur in response to something funny; it also occurs as a response to foolishness. We humans to laugh not only at funny stuff, but also very much, derisively at a fool. God considers atheists to be fools and laughs at them, even though he still loves them and hopes they would turn from their folly.

      Psalm 37:12 The wicked person plots against a righteous one and grits his teeth at him. 13 The Lord laughs at him because he has seen that his time is coming.

      Psalm 14:1 Godless fools say in their hearts, "There is no God."

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    32. Re:Or why people still take ... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      The people I've met who still claim "altruism" is wasteful and stupid were all Ayn Rand fanatics who confuse their opinions with fact and 10 seconds of thinking with 'research'. They're quite a hoot, probably the reason they've never heard of things like the prisoners dilemma and are unaware of modern science is simply that SHE never wrote about those things.

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    33. Re:Or why people still take ... by t_ban · · Score: 1

      Seriously, helping behaviour hasn't been an issue for a couple of decades, and only then amongst the innumerate hangers-on from an earlier era. No one who knows anything about modern evolutionary thinking believes it is an issue today

      You mean evolutionary explanations for non-obvious human behaviour are no longer tentative, and there is no room for doubt any more? No one has dared to question a hypothesis in the past twenty years, because if they did, they would face this sort of ridicule?
       
      Doesn't really sound like good science.

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      First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Gandhi
  5. Optimistic by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Good thing psychology figured out the rest of the puzzle, huh?!

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    1. Re:Optimistic by oldhack · · Score: 1

      Ok, Ok, that was at this New Scientist piece, not at psychology in general.

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    2. Re:Optimistic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have modded that funny if you hadn't followed up - it sounded so damn sarcastic.

  6. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes. When God created us, we were all black. Then the devil came along and caused some of us to degenerate and loose colour.

  7. Quick... by joocemann · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... smell my finger!

    (explain that one)

    1. Re:Quick... by Nonillion · · Score: 1

      Only if you pull my finger.....

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    2. Re:Quick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... smell my finger!

      (explain that one)

      Stinky pinky, the game of smell!

    3. Re:Quick... by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Easy - it's the desire to share!

  8. Memes by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Informative

    Memes could explain some of them. Some could be pure cultural (i.e. kissing, superstition, altruism) and others could had helped that we evolved this way (your odds of mating could had been increased if you had the ability to do some of those things).

    1. Re:Memes by thenextstevejobs · · Score: 0

      Does anyone else just immediately stop listening when they see words like 'meme'? Makes me feel like you're going to try to get me to subscribe to Adbusters or that maybe you're taking sociology seriously for some bizarre reason. Reminds me of something Feynman once said...

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    2. Re:Memes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sociology is a legitimate science.

    3. Re:Memes by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Does anyone else just immediately stop listening when they see words like 'meme'?

      Perhaps 'meme' is a fnord.

    4. Re:Memes by Kratisto · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd mod you Funny.

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    5. Re:Memes by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      No. It's really just you.

      Yes, I'll get off your lawn now! ^^

      But welcome to the 21st century.

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    6. Re:Memes by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Perhaps 'meme' is a fnord.

      'Meme' is a what?

      You didn't finish your sentence

    7. Re:Memes by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And, conversely, fnord is a meme.

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    8. Re:Memes by SBrach · · Score: 1

      No, I stop reading.

    9. Re:Memes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone else just immediately stop listening when they see words like 'meme'?

      Nah. Meme has some validity, at least. Me, I stop listening when people use neologisms such as "prolly". After all, consider the word from which it is ostensibly derived: "Probably". Hell, how much harder is it to type "probly"? That, at least, would make some sense. "Prolly"? WTF?

      Then there's the people that insist on using SMS-speak...

      And, the ever-popular (these days) confusion between "lose/loose", "there/their/they're", etc.

      Which leads, of course, to "it's/its", and worse, a simple lack of regard for the use of the apostrophe in general, 'cause (*grin*) typing "im", "dont", "cant" is just SO much faster than "I'm", "don't" and "can't" on a non-interactive message board, you see.

      Oh! And while I'm ranting: What's the deal with all of the one-liner posts here now? Basically content free, they translate to "I've got nothing to add to this conversation, but feel a need to post, regardless". OMGWTFBBQ?!? LOL

      Ya know?

      Finally: Why is it that the quality of Slashdot posts overall appears to be an inverse function of UID? Not only in written English spelling/grammar quality, but also in content, organization and coherence? Not to mention cluefulness... the lack of which should be sufficient reason to eliminate "Ask Slashdot", at the very least, and "Your Rights Online" as well, I think.

      Posting AC, so as to get the triple-digit effect *grin*

      It's a joke, mostly - laugh.

    10. Re:Memes by giorgist · · Score: 1

      Relax, it has become a buzzword but there are people that know what they talking about

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_9-Qx5Hz4

    11. Re:Memes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMGWTFBBQHXR!!!11!!1ONe

      is this ur lawn im on?

    12. Re:Memes by zobier · · Score: 1

      Does anyone else just immediately stop listening when they see words like 'meme'?

      Perhaps 'meme' is a fnord.

      'Meme' is a what?

      You didn't finish your sentence

      What sentence? They just quoted GGP without adding anything to the conversation.

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  9. Teenagers? by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Teenagers are not a biological issue at all, but a societal one. And one pretty easy to understand. Actually allow a smooth transition between childhood and adulthood, rather than making laws to restrict and "protect" teens until they hit that magic age of 18 or 21 or whatever, and while the problems won't go away, they'll become no worse than those of other young primates.

    1. Re:Teenagers? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right and wrong. Teenagers are an invention. It used to be that you went from late childhood (13 - 14) into adulthood. There's a reason why many people had little more than an 8th grade education - after that you were expected to join the world of work. Alexander the Great had pounded much of the world into submission by the time he was 20. "Teenagers" as we understand them are a product of post WW2 western culture as a market for commodity capitalism in the face of expanding resource bases. As resource bases contract and the world goes back to a solar economy, expect the teenager to disappear.

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    2. Re:Teenagers? by tacarat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can it be argued that the some of the problems with teens is that they're treated as kids longer than is healthy? Folks used to be "adults" much sooner. Maybe it's Darwin award fodder, but if an adult makes a stupid mistake, they're morons and treated accordingly. If a child does it, they're "just kids" who couldn't have known better. If a teen does it then they're sort of in the middle, dumb, but not responsible. The coddling that some parents throw into the mix does nothing but protect or encourage some behavior.

      So yes, kids should be allowed to start drinking, swearing, fighting, fucking, smoking, shooting, PAYING THEIR OWN WAY and whatever else sooner in life than when they're allowed to now.

      /rant off
      /goto parent's basement of neverending virginity

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    3. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Underground History of American Education is relevent here, if you're interested in one former teacher's account of how forced schooling came to be in the U.S. and where the new concept of "adolescence" came from. Highly depressing; I thoroughly recommend it. It's free to read online. (Not affiliated with it in any way, I just happened to have read it recently.)

      link

    4. Re:Teenagers? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

      indeed - it's a great book.

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    5. Re:Teenagers? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      There's a reason why many people had little more than an 8th grade education - after that you were expected to join the world of work. .... As resource bases contract and the world goes back to a solar economy, expect the teenager to disappear.

      Wow ... so what you're saying is that Africa and the Middle East are actually progressive! Damn. We westerners are so ignorant ....

    6. Re:Teenagers? by Rozine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because society expected teenagers to work in the past doesn't mean that there aren't significant mental (physical brain) changes going on during that timeframe.

      And resources contracting back to a "solar economy"? Turn in your geek card - geeks believe in the power of technology to improve lives. There's no reason to expect that that won't continue.

    7. Re:Teenagers? by rm999 · · Score: 1

      "Teenager" actually correlates with puberty pretty well. During puberty, people are drenched with abnormally high levels of various hormones which changes their behavior pretty drastically.

      A society that depends on 15 years olds in any serious manner is screwed.

    8. Re:Teenagers? by interkin3tic · · Score: 0

      Alexander the Great had pounded much of the world into submission by the time he was 20.

      Yeah, but with a middle and last name like that, I probably would have too.

    9. Re:Teenagers? by fermion · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I agree. It is hard to say how what we call teenagers fit into the evolutionary system, I believe that the teen years, as depicted in the late and generation defining John Hughes films are more a reflection of having so much excess production that we not only need to insure that our children do not produce, but are also massive consumers. This is a recent phenomena, and a new state of adolescence.

      Evolutionary, we have a biology in which, I am told by people who seem to know, that a 15-17 year old girl is almost perfectly situation to bear offspring. The can carry them without the problems of later year, and often can deliver them without the difficulty of later years. Also the Circadian rhythm seems to change in a teen, allowing teens to sleep later, and in smaller chunks, as one might benefit one who had a child that needed to fed every couple hours. It is strange.

      This of course is one issue we have with teens. On one hand we want to treat them children, which they are not. On the other hand, we won't give them a responsibility, which they need. We still have high schools starting at the same time as the elementary schools, a pretty silly thing to do, many adults, if they have a choice, go to work between 8 and 9. Many young people, if they have choice, work the night shift. In this way, adolescence is truly screwed up because the teen is still controlled by the assumptions of the adults, while having legitimate needs that are given no reasonable outlet.

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    10. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my wife will be incredibly pleased.

    11. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Teenager" actually correlates with puberty pretty well. During puberty, people are drenched with abnormally high levels of various hormones which changes their behavior pretty drastically.

      A society that depends on 15 years olds in any serious manner is screwed.

      Depends on the society. In a society where the average lifespan is 35 years, 15yr olds are absolutely crucial to reproduction, and since they are raised to, they generally fall into a very adult and responsible role at an earlier age than we are used to, and they're fine at it.

    12. Re:Teenagers? by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's also why the world used to be a much more brutal place. Teenagers and their hormones and persecution and superiority complexes and need to prove themselves need to be contained until they mature a bit. Alexander the great sounds cool until you realize it was a guy with a god-complex (literally) running around with a private army slaughtering people everywhere he went to prove he was bigger and better than his daddy Philip.

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    13. Re:Teenagers? by martas · · Score: 1

      a la "ender's game"?

    14. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And resources contracting back to a "solar economy"? Turn in your geek card - geeks believe in the power of technology to improve lives. There's no reason to expect that that won't continue.

      It is a geek card, not a moron card. No reason to expect that technology won't continue to improve lives?

      Sure some technology improves life. Then there are the things that reduce the quality of life. If technology cannot improve life sufficiently to counter the reduction in quality then overall quality of life will be reduced.

      Think of the world's resources as a pie. The more people there are the smaller the slice of pie each person gets. As long as the world's population continues to grow technology is limited in improving the quality of life as the quantity of pie is finite and while it may increase, if it doesn't increase as quickly as the population does each slice of pie gets smaller and smaller regardless of technological improvements. And while some people will wind up with larger pieces of pie others will of course wind up with less.

      The ability of technology to improve life is limited. It may have seemed limitless back when the population was smaller and less advanced and the pie looked infinite. Now that the population is much, much larger, and the pie is known to not be the least bit infinite, technology doesn't look to be capable of improving our lives without limit.

    15. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Meh. I (as a person in that age range) am sick of being treated like someone who is expected to be chock full of hormones and therefore incapable of acting otherwise. People don't become adults faster by being told "you don't have to be mature yet" - they mature when people look at them strange and say "What's your problem? Stop acting like a child."

    16. Re:Teenagers? by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is that formerly there was a gradient across adolescence from "kid - not responsible" to "adult - responsible". Today, there is a much sharper line from "teenager - not responsible" to "adult - responsible".
       
      The upshot of this is that teenagers never face a steadily increasing slope of responsibility and severity of punishment that prepares them for the adult word. (And the coddling isn't just parental - by slow steps it's largely become societal.)

    17. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      guy with a god-complex (literally) running around with a private army slaughtering people everywhere he went to prove he was bigger and better than his daddy

      Are we talking about Bush?

    18. Re:Teenagers? by EsbenMoseHansen · · Score: 1

      If what you say is true, the green revolution didn't happen ;)

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    19. Re:Teenagers? by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      There is a smooth transition:
      Sex: 16 (Most states)
      Driving: 17 (probably average)
      Voting: 18
      Tobacco: 18
      Alcohol: 21
      Emotional Maturity: 65 (For males)

    20. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is the earth a closed system? Since when have we reached the pinnacle of our understanding and are unable to do more with less?

    21. Re:Teenagers? by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is not universal. As i have already posted, here (Austria and its similar in the rest of eu) a 16 year has a lot of legal responsibilities and privileges as adults do. You can drink and go to pubs and clubs (till midnight but nobody checks). Recently the law was changed and now they can vote. But they can also get permanent criminal records from 14. If they do something stupid they get the full blow etc, parents are not blamed. Everyone *expects* them to be far more responsible that where i came from (NZ).

      Also what the parents expect of their teens makes a big difference.

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    22. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In England, we already do all the above by the age of 12.

    23. Re:Teenagers? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Hormones and complexes don't go away with age, people just become more cynical. GWB, Hussein, bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, etc.--most of the old guys running thing--match your description of Alexander

    24. Re:Teenagers? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 3, Interesting
      agreed. What is also interesting is how circadian rhythms by age group match up.

      You have the "Adults and Children" up at dawn. For numbers, let's say 6 AM. They stay up until just after sunset, say 9 - 10 PM. Then the young adults take their shift, and stay up until about 3 or 4 AM, when the ancient ones (who folded at sunset around 7.30 PM) get up.

      WHY would this work? To keep the fire going and guard against predators.

      The old folks get things rolling, Adults and kids get up later and organise the days events. By the time they're ready to roll, it's getting on toward mid-day and the young adults are finally up and moving to supply the horse power.

      It makes sense from a neolithic point of view...

      RS

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    25. Re:Teenagers? by tacarat · · Score: 1

      Yay. You'd make a good counterpoint. Is 16 the ideal age for these adult responsibilities? Or can it go even earlier in life? Have there been any particular issues with that age group?

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      "Common sense will be the death of us all"
    26. Re:Teenagers? by Courageous · · Score: 1

      As resource bases contract and the world goes back to a solar economy, ...

      You mean after the nuclear economy takes off and we run out of fissibles? Don't you think making prognosticians about things thousands of years in the future is a little far sighted for your crystal ball? :-)

      C//

    27. Re:Teenagers? by russotto · · Score: 1

      Wow ... so what you're saying is that Africa and the Middle East are actually progressive! Damn. We westerners are so ignorant ....

      It's not that they're progressive, it's that we westerners stepped onto a dead-end path a while back.

    28. Re:Teenagers? by Troed · · Score: 1

      Let's fact check your post.

      1) Population has increased lots and lots - true
      2) Technology has made the world a better place for more people than ever before - true

      3) Your post - false

    29. Re:Teenagers? by nine-times · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't think it's a question of whether they're going through changes. Children go through massive changes throughout their childhood. People go through large physical and emotional changes in their 20s, and again in middle age. We're constantly changing.

      The issue that the GP is talking about is that we invented the idea of adolescence-- that is, a state between childhood and adulthood-- in the past hundred years or so. Before that, you were a kid until you were an adult

      Whether this is a good or bad concept is up for debate, but most people who think very much about it seem to agree that it's a bad thing. It puts people in a sort of void state of not being a child, but not being an adult; being held responsible, but not really being held responsible; having people expect you to do a lot, but being consistently treated as useless and unhelpful. It's confusing and frustrating, and yet we keep stretching the period out longer and longer (people are now often expected to continue acting like teenagers until they're 25 or 30).

      The idea behind stretching it out seems to be that people aren't ready to be adults, and need a probationary period, but the probationary period never seems to be enough. However, you could definitely argue that the reason it's not enough is because it's not actually preparing them very well for being adults.

    30. Re:Teenagers? by nine-times · · Score: 0

      In fairness, there are lots of reasons why the world isn't as brutal as it once was. Also, some people argue that at least some of that teenage rebellion and angst comes from our culture telling young adults, "You're useless and there's nothing that you can do properly yet. Act like a moron for another few years, and then we'll consider listening to you."

    31. Re:Teenagers? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Just because society expected teenagers to work in the past doesn't mean that there aren't significant mental (physical brain) changes going on during that timeframe.

      There are significant physical movements going on in their bowels during that timeframe. I fail to see why this precludes them from participation in adult life.

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    32. Re:Teenagers? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      "Do you love me now Daddy?!?!"

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    33. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what dead-end path might that be? Increased living standards? Equality of the sexes and races? A desire to learn, invent, discover, and improve? If you consider those things to be a dead-end path, then your world must be a truly horrible place ...

    34. Re:Teenagers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that not having teenagers around is indeed an improvement.
      I am sorry you're probably a dad or mother of one or more teenagers. But frankly, teenagers are the hell.

    35. Re:Teenagers? by Cassander · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh. I (as a person in that age range) am sick of being treated like someone who is expected to be chock full of hormones and therefore incapable of acting otherwise. People don't become adults faster by being told "you don't have to be mature yet" - they mature when people look at them strange and say "What's your problem? Stop acting like a child."

      I agree. My own experiences as a teenager (a bit over a decade ago) combined with current reflection upon the "adult" world have shown me that the only difference between teenagers and "adults" is how they are treated by the rest of society. Any sane person would be depressed and/or rebellious if treated and viewed the way our culture typically treats and views teenagers. Expectations create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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    36. Re:Teenagers? by doom · · Score: 1

      The "teenagers" bit seemed odd to me, also. It does seem to be another case of people assuming that some social feature must have a biological basis -- even though it's hardly universal throughout human experience.

      (Is there a biological basis for our tendency toward biological explanations for human behavior?)

  10. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by tacarat · · Score: 0, Troll

    I adore this post.

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  11. Laughter... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

    ... as any fule know, is associated with a reduced defence mechanism and is therefore a sign of insanity.

    Simon (pulling some strings)

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    1. Re:Laughter... by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Kurt Vonnegut sort of agrees (about the reduced defenses) : "Jokes can be noble. Laughs are exactly as honorable as tears. Laughter and tears are both responses to frustration and exhaustion, to the futility of thinking and striving anymore. I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward â" and since I can start thinking and striving again that much sooner."

      Laughter is certainly not always pleasant, as anyone who's laughed to much will tell you. You know the laughter that borders on hysteria and sometimes ends in tears. It IS a cleansing experience though, your body's safety valve for letting out stored up emotion and frustration.

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    2. Re:Laughter... by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      Actually, some experiments were done on institutionalized patients, mostly schizophrenics and people with debilitating anxiety disorders, back in the 50s, they had a reduced humor response.

      Psychopaths have an increased one though, especially in relation to aggressive or violent humor.

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    3. Re:Laughter... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      I guess there's not as many "ringworld" fans on /. as I'd expected.

      Simon.

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    4. Re:Laughter... by zobier · · Score: 2, Funny

      I myself prefer to laugh, since there is less cleaning up to do afterward

      Unless your drink ends up on your monitor and keyboard.

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    5. Re:Laughter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you shit yourself laughing.

  12. Why do noses run? by pauljlucas · · Score: 0

    I want to know why noses run (secrete clear liquid) when it's cold outside.

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    1. Re:Why do noses run? by Knoeki · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why does your nose run, but your feet smell? That's what *I* have been wondering.

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    2. Re:Why do noses run? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      . . . when it's cold outside.

      It's to alert the owner of the nose to come inside out of the cold . . . ?

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    3. Re:Why do noses run? by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I want to know why noses run (secrete clear liquid) when it's cold outside.

      The cold is an irritant, and there's this one trick that mucus membranes can rely on to ward off irritants: excrete mighty mucus!

      Have you ever been out in minus 30 or below weather? The first breath you take flash-freezes all the humidity in your nose, it feels really weird. A nice layer of mucus between your living cells and water crystallization is better than frost bite.

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    4. Re:Why do noses run? by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you will find that most human reactions that occur "when it's cold outside" exist to help people survive in extremely cold weather. Maintaining a body temperature of 98.6 degrees in anything from 30 to 110 degree environments is quite a feat.

      The benefit of a runny nose is to loosen mucous and prevent respiratory infections. This is obviously more important for people with large noses adapted for cold weather and those who spend long periods of time in confined spaces, during a long winter for example.

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    5. Re:Why do noses run? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were built upside down.

      That's an old, old, old Mad magine joke, circa 1970, in an issue with a "Pogo" parody in it. It still makes small children laugh, although it may take a bit of explaining until a five year old gets it.

    6. Re:Why do noses run? by Carewolf · · Score: 0

      To keep the nose clear, and unfrozen. You need to breath through the nose in a tough cold. Getting the cold air directly into the lungs will cool you down faster.

    7. Re:Why do noses run? by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      It's to help stave of frostbite on your nose. Even if the mucus feels cold it's warmer than the ambient temperature. A good strategy to keep your nose warmer is to breathe in through your mouth and out yoru nose. This can prevent your nose from running, at least until the temperature gets even colder.

  13. and #11... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #11: Why, when faced with a dialog box saying, "installing this program will stomp on all your registry keys, watch every move you make on the internet for reporting back to our central databases, and possibly kill your dog, but also display a cute little dancing monkey" they'll say, "uh, sure! go ahead! i'd like to see that!".

  14. debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Example: Altruism.

    It actually seems pretty obvious -- a community which was altruistic would, in the long run, have a higher chance of survival than a community which wasn't.

    Another example: Superstition. I love this bit:

    Religion offers another possible evolutionary benefit of superstition.

    So... how is religion not superstition? Now you've got two mysteries, instead of one. And the same explanation still holds:

    Our ancestors would not have lasted long if they had assumed that a rustle in the grass was caused by wind when there was even a small chance it was a lion. And it is worth making false-positive mistakes to get these relationships right.

    Basically, religion and other superstitions are maladaptions of our ability to recognize patterns -- and an acceptable alternative to missing some pattern. Better to be paranoid than to be gullible -- better to be afraid of the tiger that isn't there than to be eaten by the tiger who is.

    I suppose these aren't proven, but I do find this pretty weak, even for a "top 10" list. It's not "mysteries" so much as "cases which are not yet airtight".

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    1. Re:debated != "mystery" by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 1

      Example: Altruism.

      It actually seems pretty obvious -- a community which was altruistic would, in the long run, have a higher chance of survival than a community which wasn't.

      Yeah evolution made altruism feel good, who doesn't want to feel good ? Todays attitudes might make you think there's something wrong with that, but there really isn't. I do something good for you and I get to feel good about myself, see it's even in the language! Altruism = selfishness.

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    2. Re:debated != "mystery" by jimshatt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So... how is religion not superstition?

      You read it wrong. TFA doesn't state that religion isn't superstition. It states that religion offers a benefit of superstition (the words are interchangeable a bit), namely promoting cohesion. This cohesion is a specific effect of religion and not of superstition, though the cause of both is the same because religion is a subclass of superstition.

    3. Re:debated != "mystery" by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Damn forgot to mention, ofcourse there's the whole "mutual aid" as an evolutionary advantage thing. But that's a REALLY old idea, I mean 1890's old. People just ignore it though, doesn't fit in with the ideology and the travesty they've made of the whole "survival of the fittest" thing.

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    4. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Only nigger faggots whine about other peoples' grammar.

    5. Re:debated != "mystery" by bjourne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Example: Altruism. It actually seems pretty obvious -- a community which was altruistic would, in the long run, have a higher chance of survival than a community which wasn't.

      But it isn't obvious. Ask yourself this, what is the best way for an individual to live in an altruistic society? Answer: to be a selfish asshole that takes advantage of all the altruistic suckers. That tension between what is best for an individual and the common good creates many paradoxical situations and is much more involved than what you seem to think.

    6. Re:debated != "mystery" by fermion · · Score: 1
      Basically, religion and other superstitions are maladaptions of our ability to recognize patterns -- and an acceptable alternative to missing some pattern.

      There is no mal here. It is a simple matter of doing the best we can with limited data. At some point we as a people realized that every year there was less time of sunlight. We danced in hopes that the sun would not go away completely. The pattern recognition of the time determined pretty accurately the time of least sun, and set the dances then. Even now no one can prove that if no one danced to bring the sun back it would not go away. It is just that we have more useful theories. Knowing that the earth travels around the sun in an eliptical orbit, with equal area traced in equal time, and the we are tilted on axis reletive to the sun, allows us to do a lot more stuff than dancing, even though in some ways dancing is more fun that working out the physics equations, but not in all ways.

      Everything else is pretty much the same. As we realize more data, and our schemes of analysis become more sophiticated, we can make models that can be applied in a more generalized way. Saying the very old models were bad makes as little sense as saying the newtonian mechanics is bad.

      Likewise, faulting people for living based on those beliefs is equally silly. I bet that many people live thier life based on newtonian mechanics, with no idea at all that there is some chance, no matter how small, that this computer I am typing on migh tunnel though the desk, or even that an electrostatic force, not a vague normal force, is keeping the computer on the desk. Does it matter? Not really. We still live life.

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    7. Re:debated != "mystery" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's for old "nature" religions.

      Nowadays religion is basically two things:

      First a god is one way to cope with the fact, that we never can know where it all comes from. (The big bang and there being no time before it, is another more realistic one.) Of course they are all by definition unable to answer that question. But better than to get crazy, right?

      Second, the "get crazy" part: If you ever read something about what we used to call neurosis or schizophrenia: It is basically the "art" of twisting the world so it's OK to you, even when it's not. You for example state, that it was OK that you got raped, because you really did bad things to your father when you were young. And then go to do way too much good, to make up for it, afterwards. Or you run onto the highway because you think you can control the world. And then when you get hit, you later insist that you wanted it that way.

      Religion basically is a light form of schizophrenia. Which is bad and good. (In psychology, if something is a disease, depends on your/their view of "bad".)
      It basically helps people cope with bad lives, horrible things, wars, poverty, and the everyday frustration. They can blame it on a higher power, or on their own fault to live by the rules of that power. So while I am far from being religious, I can totally understand people who are, and their needs for it. It's a useful tool for a desperate situation.

      Where it gets bad, is when people want to profit from those people, by acting as if they were a mediator between them and their higher power. While essentially taking over their will and life. It's the biggest and one of the most evil scams -- off the backs of them.
      But hey, people strive for the reproduction of their genes, and of their ideas. It's called evolution. And mother nature is really a bitch.

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    8. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll??? Sigh.

    9. Re:debated != "mystery" by martas · · Score: 1

      Basically, religion and other superstitions are maladaptions of our ability to recognize patterns

      Probably true, but I don't think that's the only reason why religion is so incredibly universal in human cultures. As the article says, we tend to rely on superstition/religion when we are more stressed and/or our environment is less predictable. I think this fits very well with some relatively new research that shows how depression is related to the lack of feeling in control of one's own life. Religion is just a way of regaining that sense of control, at the expense of logic and reason.

    10. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think your explanation for religion tells the whole story. I don't pretend to know what the whole story is, but I was pretty impressed recently by this:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMmvu9eMrg
      (Dr. Andy Thompson, 'Why We Believe in Gods')

      He makes a claim about having empirical evidence in the beginning...if he does have evidence he doesn't show it during the talk. But he gives various reasons for why we might be predisposed to create religion, and talks about instances of animals displaying the same traits, or humans displaying them in other areas of life. Things like empathy and theory of mind.

      For instance, we have this ability to "converse" with people who aren't there, like on a forum, or a telephone. We sort of imagine the person on the other end and just talk to that. Given that we use so much of our imagination in a regular conversation, it's not hard to see why people can readily imagine that they're talking to someone when they pray...that an actual person is there is listening doesn't really matter, we get all of the same feelings of "having said something to somebody."

      Or when you see something violent happen and immediately flinch, like it's happening to you. So much of what we perceive is completely imaginary, a product of our brain filling in the gaps. You mentioned that with the blades of grass thing, but I would invite you to watch the video as he puts that together with a few other key concepts to make a pretty convincing picture of the whole process.

    11. Re:debated != "mystery" by msheekhah · · Score: 1

      I saw on slashdot about a year ago scientists have found an "altruism" part of the brain...

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    12. Re:debated != "mystery" by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      Being the asshole gets you a Pyhrric "victory" in the short term, but being the generous, helpful guy makes your life so much easier in the medium-long term. When the chips are down everyone rallies round to help you. People are also prepared to trust you in ways the asshole couldn't even imagine. People just give you stuff.

      Altruism begets altruism. Especially if you genuinely help people out of empathy/compassion rather than expecting something in return. (Most) People can tell when they're being manipulated. I know it's corny but helping people out really is it's own reward. Making people happy is a real buzz. Then you usually get another reward later from their gratitude. Talk about having your cake and eating it. Altruism dumps all over selfishness from a great height. Assholes don't know what they're missing.

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      (1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
    13. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is altruistic all the time. Sometimes we are selfish, and we feel bad so we do something good for someone else to make ourselves feel better. In fact by that rationale, altruism doesnt exist - theres just cycles of selfishness and unselfishness trying to even each other out. Its sine waves all the way down.

    14. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Altruism is a natural necessity for staying sane, more than a selfish act to feel good.

      Behaving good to others makes you believe others do the same to you, and you will relax and stay productive in your life. Behaving bad will make you believe others do that, and you become more nervous, controlling and eventually maybe paranoid.

    15. Re:debated != "mystery" by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      Superstition is also the step right before scientific verification.

    16. Re:debated != "mystery" by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      I think that, as far as evolution is concerned, religion as a social club was far more impactful than religion as a coping mechanism. It forced all the members of a community to come together once a week, even if they didn't want to. This gives an emerging society a huge competitive advantage. Even today, I believe that most people that go to church don't go because they are trying to strengthen their relationship with some god, they go because that's where their friends hang out, and the like being part of something bigger than themselves.

    17. Re:debated != "mystery" by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      It basically helps people cope with bad lives, horrible things, wars, poverty, and the everyday frustration.

      To paraphrase, you are saying that religion is the opiate of the masses.

    18. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It states that religion offers a benefit of superstition (the words are interchangeable a bit)

      In other words, superstition offers a benefit of superstition? I don't follow...

      This cohesion is a specific effect of religion and not of superstition,

      I don't agree. It's also an effect of rock concerts, football games, DragonCon...

      Maybe I'm being more anal than I should, but it seems to me that their wording does suggest that religion is related to superstition, but not actually the same thing.

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    19. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Ask Buddha to come into your life and you will be blown away by His love. The experience is not superstition.

      Fixed it for you.

      Explain to me why your experience is different than, say, romantic love (true love is pretty potent), or any number of other experiences people manage to have without religion.

      And just for fun...

      Jesus told us to love like he loved us, then he let himself be crucified for our sake.

      In other words, Yahweh is an evil fuck who would sooner see his only son tortured to death than simply forgive. I know people who are more forgiving -- and I know people who've died for saner causes.

      Believing it, and living it is much different and more challenging than 'superstition'.

      And how much have you investigated other superstitions?

      Try Buddhism. The root of that is simply being awake and aware, in a very profound way, to the world around you. The root of Christianity is suffering, torture, and blood sacrifice -- the root of Buddhism is eliminating suffering through awareness.

      Or try Hinduism -- the realization that the entire Universe is the dream of Bramhan has profound significance in its own right.

      Or try Canntheism, the worship of cannabis. Compare being high to your religious experience. Is it possible that Jeuss' love is simply a chemical in your head?

      If you're going to claim that your religion is the one religion that isn't a superstition -- or that religion is the one kind of irrational belief that isn't superstition -- you're going to have to show me that you have some understanding of the differences.

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    20. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      It basically helps people cope with bad lives, horrible things, wars, poverty, and the everyday frustration.

      In other words, it helps people avoid growing up and finding real coping skills. Blaming it on a higher power is simply avoiding the issue.

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    21. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      There is no mal here. It is a simple matter of doing the best we can with limited data.

      It becomes mal when, like today, it's both entirely imaginary, and often contrary to things we do know.

      I bet that many people live thier life based on newtonian mechanics, with no idea at all that there is some chance, no matter how small, that this computer I am typing on migh tunnel though the desk, or even that an electrostatic force, not a vague normal force, is keeping the computer on the desk. Does it matter? Not really.

      In this case, it doesn't really matter because the Netwonian model is a very close approximation of the way things actually work.

      A religious model really isn't.

      We still live life.

      Yes. So do blind people -- that doesn't mean I want to be blind.

      In particular, religion plays a part in making people susceptible to magical thinking. Scientology could never use people the way it does if there hadn't been a backdrop of "respectable" religion. Or, less extreme, televangelists...

      I'm not saying people would never be stupid without religion. However, there's a certain amount of turning your brain off that you have to do to believe.

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    22. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      No, hypothesis is the step right before scientific verification -- or scientific disproof.

      Most religions can't be hypotheses. Example: Most are carefully crafted to be non-falsifiable -- a good thing, or they'd probably have been falsified by now -- thus, they are really un-testable.

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    23. Re:debated != "mystery" by bjourne · · Score: 1

      So how many times were you laid this month, Mr Niceguy? :) You talk about "feeling good" something which is quite irrelevant in the grand scheme of evolutionary things. Assholes can often mitigate their reputation loss by moving from one altruistic group to a new one in which they are unknown. It is not easy to explain why there still are altruistic people and why not everyone is using the assholish strategy.

    24. Re:debated != "mystery" by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as "higher" coping skills. Intellectualization is most often seen as a "higher, one. But for healing purposes, it's nothing other than repression... the worst kind of "coping" (because it's no coping at all).

      But I think we can agree, that some coping skills are the best, and often, religion is far from being the best one. :)

      So which one is the best one?
      Well... whatever works the best, to get to your goals, no?
      If that -- in someone's situation -- happens to be religion, that's how it is, isn't it?

      The problems arise, if you artificially limit your coping abilities. Either by only ever using some. Or by never ever using some.
      No? :)

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    25. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1

      If you're going to claim that your religion is the one religion that isn't a superstition -- or that religion is the one kind of irrational belief that isn't superstition

      Sorry to duck a fight. I make neither of those claims. I do not claim that my religion is the one religion that isn't a superstition. I do not claim that religion is irrational belief.

    26. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problems arise, if you artificially limit your coping abilities. Either by only ever using some. Or by never ever using some.
      No? :)

      Well, no, I wouldn't agree.

      For example: One potential way of coping is eating ice cream. But if what you're trying to cope with is an overeating disorder, then I'd say that is never the right way to cope with that.

      A more extreme example: We could cope with our stress by killing someone. Is that an acceptable way to cope? No, I'd artificially limit my coping ability, and never use that ability.

      Now, is religion as bad as murder? Usually not. But I'd still argue the side effects are not worth whatever comfort it provides, when there are so many other ways of being comforted. I would suggest the most effective way of coping, with or without religion, is reaching out to other real people.

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    27. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I claim that religion is irrational belief. Do you claim it's not?

      If so, we can talk about that.

      If not -- if we agree that it's irrational belief -- then I'm curious why one kind of irrational belief is superstition, and another isn't.

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    28. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1
      As for the former, ok, lets talk. I pass on the latter.

      I know what irrational means, but I don't know what you mean when you say religion is irrational. Maybe you offer a definition that works for me. Do you mean illogical, or without reason, or something else?

      Or maybe I can start with this:

      Yahweh is an evil fuck who would sooner see his only son tortured to death than simply forgive.

      Just for the record: The above is not the Christian belief. Christians believe that God is goodness: only good come from him, and all that is good in the world is only from him. He abhors evil. God is mercy and justice: He forgives everything but requires repentance.

      Interesting you picked the word 'Yahweh'. It happens to be the most sacred word in Judeo-Christian belief. It is the name of God. It is God's response to Moses at the burning bush when he asked (Gen 3:13-14): God replied, "I am who am". God is existence itself. Existence is God. This is quite similar to Budhist view of GodHead. Budhists are not required to believe in God, but do recognize a single source of existence, the one beginning, something eternal.

      I invite you to consider God as existence itself.

      Its certainly an act of human reason to think about the beginning of the universe. My reason cannot accept that the universe brought itself into existence. I didn't bring myself into existence, and an acorn didn't bring itself into existence. So, its not logical for me to think that the universe brought itself into existence. Something was there first; something eternal. Existence itself was there first.

      Looking forward to continuing with you.

    29. Re:debated != "mystery" by jawahar · · Score: 1
    30. Re:debated != "mystery" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      * Our rel!g!on is PRIVATE.

      And if we intend to make our rel!g!on PUBLIC through (pony tails, emblems, beards, burkhas, turbans etc), we are ADVERTISING our rel!g!on. And every ADVERTISEMENT solicits REGULATION from the GOVT.

    31. Re:debated != "mystery" by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      Yea, I'm not dude, but I'll give it a go.

      Your definition of a Christian God, which is existence, yet lacks evil; does not explain the existence of evil.

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    32. Re:debated != "mystery" by SnEptUne · · Score: 1

      That is if there is a real person to reach out for. What if everyone you know ignore you because you were poor, ugly, have never been taught to smile, and in a materialistic culture that value people based on their salary? That when you tried to ask for a bread, they give you a stone?

    33. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1
      The Christian response is that evil is not an attribute of people or objects but is an attribute of actions. 'evil is as evil does', so to speak.

      A counter argument is that God does not prevent evil acts so is complicit to them. The alternative for God, though, is to control people away from evil acts. Christians reason that for God to control us in this manner would be contradictory to his own will. He created us 'in His own image' which, we reckon, includes the ability to freely control our own actions.

      So, what is 'evil' in Christian understanding? It likely has a different meaning for the non-Christian. Christians reason that since God is all good then any act that is contrary to God's will is evil. We reason that acts of evil separate us from unity with God and that without Jesus that separation is irreparable.

      God does not prevent evil but he is not complacent to it either. God has good come from evil. There is no greater case of this than in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Christians believe that God, existence itself, was incarnate as a human with the name of Jesus. 'The Word made flesh'. We reason that the greatest evil ever done was to torture and murder God as man in Jesus. The effect of Jesus' resurrection is to overcome and conquer that evil. With victory over evil, we are now clear for reconciliation with God.

    34. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I know what irrational means, but I don't know what you mean when you say religion is irrational. Do you mean illogical, or without reason, or something else?

      Both illogical and without reason.

      I see no particular reason for believing in a god, so that's without reason. I find it illogical to believe something without good reason, and I find most definitions of a god to be internally inconsistent, and thus illogical in themselves.

      Just for the record: The above is not the Christian belief. Christians believe that God is goodness: only good come from him, and all that is good in the world is only from him.

      Christians also believe that God created everything in the world, and that furthermore, he is all-knowing and all-powerful. So...

      He abhors evil.

      If he abhors evil, why does it exist?

      You also didn't address my point there: Why did he need to see his son tortured to death in order to forgive? The only rational explanation I can come up with is, he's the same cruel Old-Testament god who demands blood sacrifice.

      Interesting you picked the word 'Yahweh'. It happens to be the most sacred word in Judeo-Christian belief. It is the name of God.

      It is also a word that was not ever to be spoken, so we're not actually sure where the vowels go (Hebrew doesn't have vowels). When reading the Torah, that name is read instead as "Adonai".

      God is existence itself. Existence is God.... I invite you to consider God as existence itself.

      If that is the definition of God, I have no problem with it, and I certainly believe in it -- that is, I believe things exist.

      Of course, I don't agree with your other conclusions -- I see no reason to assume existence is merciful, or could have a "son".

      Its certainly an act of human reason to think about the beginning of the universe. My reason cannot accept that the universe brought itself into existence.... Something was there first; something eternal.

      You are assuming a large number of things.

      First, you are assuming that the universe had a beginning. Yes, we know about the Big Bang, and it's a common misrepresentation of Big Bang theory to say that there was nothing before this. The truth is, even at times very close to the Big Bang, our reason breaks down, just as relativistic speeds and masses sort of defy intuition and dissolve into math. At a certain point, even our math fails.

      So, we simply do not know what was before the Big Bang, or if our reason would extend to it.

      One theory -- which has since been disproved, but which should give you an idea of how little we know -- is that the space-time of the Universe is shaped like a sphere. At one pole, you have the beginning, and at the other, you have the end -- but to ask what is before the beginning is like asking what is outside the Universe, and to ask what created, or caused it, is a nonsensical question.

      It's nonsensical because you understand cause and effect within time, which is a property of the Universe. Outside of time, these rules don't apply -- the Universe, as a four-dimensional structure, may or may not have had to be created, or may itself be an eternal four-dimensional structure -- think again of the sphere.

      Another disproven theory is the Big Crunch -- you could imagine a cyclical Universe, wherein the universe will eventually contract to a singularity, and explode again, in an eternal cycle.

      Why bring up disproven theories? Mostly to give you something to think about -- the reason we know these theories aren't true is not that they're weird and unintuitive. We know they aren't true because the math doesn't work out, or because they contradict our observations -- for example, the expansion of the Universe is accelerating, so even if there was a Big Crunch before, it's probably not going to happen this time.

      In light of strangeness li

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    35. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1

      I know what irrational means, but I don't know what you mean when you say religion is irrational. Do you mean illogical, or without reason, or something else?

      Both illogical and without reason. I see no particular reason for believing in a god, so that's without reason. I find it illogical to believe something without good reason, and I find most definitions of a god to be internally inconsistent, and thus illogical in themselves.

      I'm disappointed. Are you expecting to convince anyone that religion is irrational because SanityInAnarchy hasn't found a particular reason to believe?

      Even if you've shown Deism to be logical and reasonable (which I don't believe you have), that says nothing about Christianity.

      Ok. You were looking for a good reason for belief in God. I was giving demonstration of reasoning about God. Guess I missed your expectation. Sorry.

      Its not my intention to show that belief is rational with a proof of God's existence. I don't think you would be satisfied by anything I could contribute.

      One wonders: is belief always illogical and without reason? In the absence of a rational proof, belief is irrational. In the presence of a rational proof, belief is unnecessary and irrational. Therefore, belief is always irrational. If that's the game your playing, I quit.

      He abhors evil.

      If he abhors evil, why does it exist? You also didn't address my point there: Why did he need to see his son tortured to death in order to forgive?

      I avoided the point because it is a loaded question. I expected that since you are already of the opinion that belief in God is irrational, you would certainly not go so far as to accept any explanation on the subject. In case you missed it, I responded to another slashdotter in a cousin of this post. See my response to cyphercell, two up and over. I expect you to flay and quarter it, and leave it for dead. Have fun.

      I admit, your challenges are beyond me. Its difficult to even know what reasons you have already rejected, and then to march out the ones you haven't seen yet? That's a chore.

      I'm a believer for sure, but I'm a professional programmer, not a philosopher or theologian. I hope you keep open to the possibility that there is a reason to believe in God that you can accept.

    36. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1
      So, after a few hours of sleep, I have this:

      but to ask what is before the beginning is like asking what is outside the Universe, and to ask what created, or caused it, is a nonsensical question. It's nonsensical because you understand cause and effect within time, which is a property of the Universe.

      I take these statements as the core of your previous post; an argument opposed to first cause.

      I agree that time is a property of the universe and that *I* understand cause and effect within time. However, my existence depends on the existence of something else. That something else depends on something else in turn. Somewhere at the front of the dependency chain is something that doesn't depend on something else to exist. I'm not claiming this is a time based cause-effect chain.

      Lets assume that there is not an Uncaused Being, in other words, EVERYTHING has a present cause. However, outside of EVERYTHING is NOTHING. To say that everything is caused by nothing is nonsensical. Therefore, if there is not an uncaused being, nothing exists.

      You and Carl Sagan seem to assert that the universe could be that first dependency, instead of a personal God. In other words, that the first cause is an 'it' not a 'he'. If not personal, then the universe would have to be infinitely old because all conditions for the universe would exist for all eternity. However, the universe is not infinitely old, so an impersonal first cause is an inconsistent hypothesis. I don't know if you accept that the universe is not infinitely old, so let me know.

    37. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I'm disappointed. Are you expecting to convince anyone that religion is irrational because SanityInAnarchy hasn't found a particular reason to believe?

      The fact that I haven't found a rational reason to believe suggests that there isn't one.

      So, actually, I was inviting anyone to provide me with such a reason. Even if I don't accept that it would be a good reason for me to believe, it would demonstrate that such belief is not completely irrational.

      is belief always illogical and without reason?

      There are certain beliefs I have that are reinforced by experiment. For instance, when people pray, sometimes they get what they want, sometimes they don't. But the sun does rise every morning, so it seems reasonable to believe that it will tomorrow, also.

      Even less solid beliefs -- for instance, if you're married, do you believe your spouse loves you? You probably have a lot of evidence for that belief. You could be wrong -- they could leave you tomorrow -- but you doubt that very much. Your love for them is probably at least partly based on the fact that they love you back.

      Neither of these is quite faith.

      In the presence of a rational proof, belief is unnecessary and irrational.

      So, when you said "belief" here, you meant "faith", as in, belief without reason.

      And no, in the presence of a rational proof, belief in that proof, or faith in that proof, seems fairly rational. Indeed, you're also expressing some faith in your evaluation of that proof, and in your memory of having evaluating it correctly, as none of us will be conscious of the entirety of the proof, or at least, not for very long.

      I avoided the point because it is a loaded question. I expected that since you are already of the opinion that belief in God is irrational, you would certainly not go so far as to accept any explanation on the subject.

      Not true.

      I don't believe that Star Wars is real, and I think there aren't really good reasons to believe that there ever really were Jedi in a galaxy far, far away.

      But even if it's fiction, we can discuss what Obi-Wan's motives were for lying about Luke's father, and if that's in character... We can even discuss things like how the Federation, of Star Trek, would fare against the Galactic Empire, from Star Wars.

      So, even if I don't believe God is real, I could still examine whether it's rational for an all-loving being to have to kill someone in order to forgive. Yes, it's a loaded question, but I really haven't heard a good answer to why Jesus had to die for our sins.

      I expect you to flay and quarter it, and leave it for dead. Have fun.

      Oh, I will.

      Its difficult to even know what reasons you have already rejected, and then to march out the ones you haven't seen yet? That's a chore.

      You could start with the reasons you believe.

      I hope you keep open to the possibility that there is a reason to believe in God that you can accept.

      Highly skeptical, but open. I'm also open to the possibility that I'm wrong, and that I'll be proven wrong.

      I don't think it's very likely, and I could give you many reasons for that. But I do have to admit -- I could be wrong.

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    38. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      A counter argument is that God does not prevent evil acts so is complicit to them.

      Correct -- let's start from there.

      The alternative for God, though, is to control people away from evil acts.

      So, why are there natural disasters?

      Even if we accept that God must allow people to commit evil acts out of respect for "free will" -- which God doesn't seem to respect very much (he hardened Pharaoh's heart, right?) -- why would people die from, say, a lightning strike? Must God respect the lightning's free will?

      There is no greater case of this than in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Christians believe that God, existence itself, was incarnate as a human with the name of Jesus. 'The Word made flesh'. We reason that the greatest evil ever done was to torture and murder God as man in Jesus.

      And yet, this was known about ahead of time, and God deliberately sent his son, knowing he'd be killed.

      This, I take issue with -- yes, it could be said that God made the best of a bad situation. But the rewards of the crucifixion -- the fact that Jesus was alive, and that we are forgiven -- it's often argued that the crucifixion was necessary for this, and I don't see how.

      And yet, if God could've prevented the crucifixion, without interfering with free will -- for example, by allowing Jesus to ascend before he was lifted onto the cross -- why didn't he?

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    39. Re:debated != "mystery" by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      It's self confidence that gets you laid, not being a bastard. Arrogance is a kind of self confidence so it can get you laid with girls who have low ~ medium self esteem, but being a nice guy and still having self confidence gets you the 10's. Being nice is not the same thing as being a doormat.

      Assholes can hide from their bad reputations but that isn't much fun compared to being a nice guy who gets everything the assholes get plus a good reputation and a network of people who'll support them, rather than enemies they have to hide from. And again it's an important distinction - altruism is not the same thing as letting people take advantage of you.

      Feeling good has a lot of relevance in the evolutionary scheme of things because the way things make you feel is a fundamental behavioural regulator. Feeling good doesn't in and of itself alter the chance of your genes being replicated, but it does motivate behaviour that alters the chance of your genes being replicated.

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    40. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      my existence depends on the existence of something else. That something else depends on something else in turn. Somewhere at the front of the dependency chain is something that doesn't depend on something else to exist. I'm not claiming this is a time based cause-effect chain.

      I could say then that it's not only time, but causality itself, that's a property of the universe as we know it. Within the universe, we observe that everything depends on something else to exist -- but we can't assume our intuition extends beyond it.

      Regardless, you're making the same leap as the first-cause argument -- that there must be something that doesn't depend on something else. Why must there? Indeed, the whole argument is founded on the assumption that the universe itself can't just exist:

      Lets assume that there is not an Uncaused Being, in other words, EVERYTHING has a present cause. However, outside of EVERYTHING is NOTHING. To say that everything is caused by nothing is nonsensical.

      Let's assume that there is an Uncaused... I'll even grant "Uncaused Being". In other words, EVERYTHING has a present cause... except this Uncaused Being. Should we say that the Uncaused Being was caused by nothing? That's nonsensical.

      So you still have Carl Sagan's problem: Why not skip a step? Why not say that EVERYTHING is uncaused?

      In other words, that the first cause is an 'it' not a 'he'.

      Right.

      If not personal, then the universe would have to be infinitely old because all conditions for the universe would exist for all eternity.

      Wait, what? Why?

      I'm not following this part at all, so I apologize if I misrepresent you...

      If you're saying that the first cause must be eternal, and that it must therefore always be causing the Universe, I still don't see how intelligence makes a difference. That would seem to be arguing that an intelligent being would create with a definite beginning, and would then stop creating, because the creation is already there -- but that amount of logic can easily be done by inanimate objects (computers).

      If you're saying that the first cause must be eternal, and if I'm saying the universe is the first cause, it must also be eternal, that depends how we define "universe". We know that the physical universe as we can see it exploded from the Big Bang, but we know nothing about before the Big Bang. For all we know, an eternal process could've led to that explosion.

      But I don't see that a first cause has to be eternal. I don't see that an eternal thing makes any more sense than something which simply popped into existence.

      And you still have the FSM problem: Even if I grant that it's intelligent, how do we know it's your god, and not a big ball of pasta?

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    41. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      If I were in that situation, I'd go to a soup kitchen, or a homeless shelter. And not all of them are religious.

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    42. Re:debated != "mystery" by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      Until relatively recently on the human evolution timescale, being enough of a jerk would get you killed or kicked out of the tribe. Not too many, if any, tribes were just accepting members at random. You had to be kin. Still, let's say you got kicked out of one tribe, and you successfully moved into another. It wouldn't take long for a group to realize you're a jerk. Assuming none of the tribes around you are willing to kill you, there are still only a few tribes within walking distance before you've been kicked out of them all. Most likely though, you'd end up dead.

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    43. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1

      So, why are there natural disasters?

      Even if we accept that God must allow people to commit evil acts out of respect for "free will" -- which God doesn't seem to respect very much (he hardened Pharaoh's heart, right?) -- why would people die from, say, a lightning strike? Must God respect the lightning's free will?

      As far as God's action on Pharoh's heart, it appears that God contradicted himself. However, God does not contradict himself, and so there is something else going on that is invisible to the literal interpretation of scripture. I hope you won't mind if I leave it at that, for now, to avoid having too many balls in the air?

      So, I think the question of natural disasters is interesting because it continues with the question of how an all good God can permit evil in the world He created. In this case, the physical evil of suffering, not moral evil (man in action).

      Goodness is not merely kindness. Kindness is the will to prevent pain. Humans want more than just avoidance from pain. We also want to be free from ignorance and vice and sin (moral evil). If God acts only to prevent painful suffering, he is not truly all good. There is growth in suffering. If he saved us from all physical evil, how different would he be from the parent who does the child's homework?

      This, I take issue with -- yes, it could be said that God made the best of a bad situation. But the rewards of the crucifixion -- the fact that Jesus was alive, and that we are forgiven -- it's often argued that the crucifixion was necessary for this, and I don't see how.

      And yet, if God could've prevented the crucifixion, without interfering with free will -- for example, by allowing Jesus to ascend before he was lifted onto the cross -- why didn't he?

      I think the main question here is why did Jesus have to die for us to be saved. There are some other things in your question worth talking about. (I'm running out of time tonight, I'm sorry).

      When the Jewish mob approached Jesus with the adulterous woman, or when the Pharasees posed the question of paying tax to Ceasar, Jesus was given a question with an either-or answer: to condone evil or condemn it. To condone evil is to love it, which itself is an evil act. To condemn evil is to hate it, which leads to evil acts of self-righteousness, or hating the sinner, or the evil of hating in general.

      Jesus gave a third answer which was not anticipated: forgiveness. This admits that evil is evil and doesn't water it down, either. It disconnects the sinner from the sin and sets the sinner free. Repentance is the same act but from the sinner's perspective.

      God gives mercy and justice. Another either-or which seems impossible to solve. You should expect justice for your sin, but you hope for mercy. God cannot give both. This problem was solved by Jesus' crucifixion. Justice is done and mercy is granted. Jesus takes the punishment for our sins, we get the mercy.

      Ascension without the punishment of crucifixion would not alleviate the need for justice.

    44. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      As far as God's action on Pharoh's heart, it appears that God contradicted himself. However, God does not contradict himself, and so there is something else going on...

      That's a pretty massive cop-out, but alright, I'll leave it at that.

      I should point out that this is hardly the only contradiction I've found, either in the character of God or in the Bible.

      Humans want more than just avoidance from pain. We also want to be free from ignorance and vice and sin (moral evil).

      I'm not sure that's true, but suppose it is... How is letting children die in fires and floods helping any of these goals?

      There is growth in suffering.

      If God is all-powerful and all-knowing, he can find a way to allow that growth without suffering.

      If he saved us from all physical evil, how different would he be from the parent who does the child's homework?

      Except that in this case, the reason we can't allow parents to do childrens' homework is that the children won't learn. We don't get our goal of an educated human being.

      But couldn't God snap his fingers and produce an educated human being anyway? Like downloading knowledge in The Matrix?

      I think the main question here is why did Jesus have to die for us to be saved.

      Pretty much.

      Jesus gave a third answer which was not anticipated: forgiveness. This admits that evil is evil and doesn't water it down, either. It disconnects the sinner from the sin and sets the sinner free. Repentance is the same act but from the sinner's perspective.

      I still don't see how a man's death is needed for either of these.

      God gives mercy and justice.

      I could drag up other quotes to demonstrate why your god doesn't seem either merciful or just...

      But, let's consider this. Is it just to punish one man for another man's crimes? More importantly, how many sins should truly demand death? For that, just look at our own justice system -- capital punishment isn't universal, and is only applied to the harshest of circumstances.

      Think of this in a human context. I catch you stealing from me, so I kill my son, and tell you "Well, someone's been punished, so you can go now." WTF?

      So, at the very least, I don't agree with this statement:

      God cannot give both.

      It also presents another problem: God is omnipotent and omniscient. Why can't he figure out a way to give both mercy and justice without killing his son?

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      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    45. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1
      I agree with mostly everything you wrote here and I don't think my disagreement is of consequence to our main discussion.

      So, actually, I was inviting anyone to provide me with such a reason. Even if I don't accept that it would be a good reason for me to believe, it would demonstrate that such belief is not completely irrational.

      I agree. An argument can be rational without being convincing.

      You could start with the reasons you believe.

      Well, this is now a personal response, ok? I also want to keep this short and so am leaving out details.

      At the early part of my adult life, I did not believe in God. At that time, as now, I wanted to be happy. I tried things that made me happy, but I was happy only for as long as those things lasted.

      Then, I saw two things that drew my attention. First, I witnessed my father's faith as he died in hospice. Second, I witnessed the charity of the parish priest who administered to my dad and my family.

      I started to deeply investigate the faith I was raised within, Catholic. I also read the arguments for the existence of God. I admit, I wasn't too rigorous here...I didn't read all the objections. Also, some of the reasoning was beyond my ability. As a result, I was only sure there was a possibility of God. Then I read Pascal's Wager, which is not a proof. I saw it as an invitation: given the alternatives Pascal presents AND that I thought there was at least a possiblility that God exists, would I be willing to live my life as if there is God?

      After I decided to live my life as if God exists, there were many things I learned and discovered. For example, without belief, I was not aware of the gifts that God was pouring out upon me. One such gift is hope. This is not the hope of getting to heaven, but much bigger and broader. I find it difficult to express in words. Experiencing this hope gives me the happiness that does not go away. A happiness that is not an emotion that has an end, but a deeper, lasting happiness.

      One might say that my hope and deeper happiness comes from some psychological, or physiological development in my mind or body. I would agree. However, these changes are correlated to my decision to believe. I do not believe that God manipulated my synapses or anything like that. However, I can say that as a result of deciding to believe in God, I experienced him.

      Its in this experience that my uncertainty of God's existence dropped off.

      Its this experience I was inviting you into when I said, many, many parents above:

      Ask Jesus to come into your life and you will be blown away by His love. The experience is not superstition.

      (I still can't understand why it was mod'ed a troll.)

      When I thought of superstitions, I thought of rabbit's foot, walking under a ladder, black cat, stepping on the crack, salt over the shoulder kind of baseless rules on how to avoid bad luck for example. I can also understand how religion, without the experience of God, can seem to be merely a ritual or some set of baseless rules on how to avoid hell for example. I don't understand how anyone can expect these to support any long lasting, deep happiness that is not an emotion that ends.

      Experience of God is different, much different. If one never takes a step to believe, then the experience will forever be out of reach. Without the experience of God, religion would always appear to be irrational. And I ask again in different words: would you consider to decide to believe in God by asking Jesus to come into your life?

    46. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Alright, I'll try to be gentle, here...

      I tried things that made me happy, but I was happy only for as long as those things lasted.

      Would the same apply to your faith? That is, faith makes you happy only as long as it lasts, but it just lasts longer?

      I was only sure there was a possibility of God.

      I was sure of this for a long time. I called myself "optimistic agnostic", roughly translated as "I want to believe." But, being intellectually honest with myself, I couldn't simply say "I believe," rather, "It'd be really nice if God exists, but I don't know."

      I eventually found a few arguments -- mostly biblical quotes, and the argument from evil -- to draw the conclusion that even if a god exists, it would be the kind of being I probably wouldn't want to worship. At the very least, if a god revealed itself to me, I would have a lot of questions for it.

      Once I decided I was no longer really attached to the idea of a god existing, I was able to compare that possibility with the possibility of other things that I don't believe.

      Then I read Pascal's Wager, which is not a proof. I saw it as an invitation: given the alternatives Pascal presents AND that I thought there was at least a possiblility that God exists, would I be willing to live my life as if there is God?

      The problem with Pascal's Wager is, of course, that it's a false dichotomy. Other possibilities include that a god exists, but that he only rewards those who are skeptical and intellectually honest -- thus, those who believe on faith would go to hell, and those who disbelieve, or who have found really good reasons for believing, go to heaven.

      I see your point -- the invitation is, would you (or I) be willing to live as though a god exists, despite not really believing, or being sure?

      without belief, I was not aware of the gifts that God was pouring out upon me. One such gift is hope. This is not the hope of getting to heaven, but much bigger and broader. I find it difficult to express in words.

      Hope... that things will work out for the best, that we're on a path that makes sense, that things we do are right, and have meaning...

      Are any of those resonating?

      I find that I do have hope. The universe, as it is -- without acknowledging or rejecting a supernatural claim, but just looking at the natural universe -- it's unimaginably beautiful. And the way in which we experience, explore, and learn about this universe is inspiring. I don't know if I can put it better than this video -- and I think you'll enjoy it, again, believer or not. I know it sends chills down my spine.

      And it may give you some insight into, not why I don't believe, but why I don't need to.

      Its in this experience that my uncertainty of God's existence dropped off.

      Not to diminish your experience, but that was another reason I showed that video to you -- there are powerful experiences like this, I could even call them religious experiences, but they aren't necessarily tied to a god.

      I would also suggest that your experience is the root of your belief, not the other way around -- that on a very basic level, the message of most religion came out of similar experiences.

      And I do mean, not to diminish your experience -- I am not trying to say it's insignificant, or that you imagined it. I just have a different interpretation of it.

      I will, however, say that the human brain is a funny thing, and that it can be very difficult to tell the difference between a spiritual experience and a hallucination.

      When I thought of superstitions, I thought of rabbit's foot, walking under a ladder, black cat, stepping on the crack, salt over the shoulder kind of baseless rules on how to avoid bad luck for example. I can also understand how religion, without the experience of God, can

      --
      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    47. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1
      If given that God is omniscient and we are not, then there would be some questions to which we will not have an answer. You raise some of them. Why didn't God figure out another way to give both mercy and justice? Why does God think it is just to kill his son for the sake of all? Why doesn't God simply snap his fingers to give us all the understanding and wisdom he has? Why must suffering be a source of growth? And how can the horrible death of children in fire and flood have a benefit?

      I'd be a liar to say Christianity has the answers.

      The Book of Job is about a man who raises many of the same kind of questions and more. In the end, he recognizes that he is not God's peer (by a long shot) in wisdom, knowledge or understanding, but Job continued to have faith.

      Personally, I don't think I need to have these answers to believe in God. I don't think I'm in any kind of position second guess God. My lack of understanding of his way doesn't prove that he is not all good, it proves that I am not all knowing.

      There are few things I want to adjust, if you don't mind. First, Jesus has two natures, human and divine; he is not just a man. Second, the punishment was not merely death; it was much worse, separation from God.

      Finally, I don't want to cop-out on God's alleged control of Pharoh's heart (and likely other alleged contradictions in different sections of scripture). I tried to write out a number of explanations in a number of different ways, but all were unsatisfactory to me.

      All I can say, is that the bible is not a history book like we understand history books today. Its not a science book. Its human literature. It was inspired by God but written by human authors (The bible was not dicated.) Its essentially a library of stories, in many different literary forms (allegory, witness, poetry, crises, etc), with books contributed over a period of 1800 years. It is a story of man's relationship with God, and its meant to be read in those terms, with the Holy Spirit guiding and instructing. Its misleading and unproductive to extract tiny pieces of literally interpreted segments without the context of its whole.

    48. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      If given that God is omniscient and we are not, then there would be some questions to which we will not have an answer. You raise some of them.

      And yet, we have to have some way to distinguish a true god from a false one, or a just god from an unjust one. Why would I want to worship an unjust god?

      Given that, I don't buy the "God knows better than I do" argument. Maybe he does, but I can only work with the knowledge and understanding that I have, and I must make a decision. Does this god exist, or is he imaginary? If he exists, would I worship him?

      The Book of Job is about a man who raises many of the same kind of questions and more. In the end, he recognizes that he is not God's peer (by a long shot) in wisdom, knowledge or understanding, but Job continued to have faith.

      The Book of Job is interesting for other reasons.

      Let's recap the plot, shall we? God is bragging about Job to Satan. Satan makes a bet with God that Job only worships God because God has blessed him, and that if God were to remove those blessings, Job would curse him.

      So, in order to settle a bet, God utterly ruins Job's life. He destroys everything Job had -- his crops, his house, his family, and eventually, his health.

      All to settle a fucking bet.

      And this is the all-loving creature I'm supposed to worship?

      Never mind, of course, the blatant errors in God's message to Job. "Were you there when I laid the foundations of the earth?" It doesn't have foundations, or corners, or any of the other things mentioned. And this is also a fairly cruel thing for God to do -- basically saying, "I'm better than you, so I get to make the rules."

      Would we accept that from a person?

      Think about that. Just for fun, suppose Bruce Wayne walked up to you and punched you, for no reason. Would you just accept that he knows best, because he's Batman? I mean, Batman is stronger, faster, smarter, richer, and cooler than you -- better than you in pretty much every way -- but you still wouldn't tolerate him being an ass.

      I mean, it seems like an elaborate "might makes right" argument.

      The difference is that God, by definition, is flawless. The problem is, how do you know he's flawless, when he seems to do such flawed things? Couldn't Bruce Wayne simply define himself to be flawless?

      I don't think I'm in any kind of position second guess God.

      I think it's your duty as a rational being to question everything. You absolutely should second guess God. Lot did, after all.

      On the other hand, there's always the possibility that God will kill me for complaining.

      My lack of understanding of his way doesn't prove that he is not all good, it proves that I am not all knowing.

      Again, substitute any human for God. Does that sentence still apply?

      You accept that he's all good, and based on that, you assume that there must be something you don't know that justifies the evil that he does. I start from the assumption that, whether it's my own rationality or a gift from God, I do have the ability to tell right from wrong.

      Second, the punishment was not merely death; it was much worse, separation from God.

      I'm actually pretty happy in my separation from God. But I'm not quite sure what you're getting at -- this was the punishment that Jesus endured?

      Finally, I don't want to cop-out on God's alleged control of Pharoh's heart (and likely other alleged contradictions in different sections of scripture). I tried to write out a number of explanations in a number of different ways, but all were unsatisfactory to me.... Its human literature. It was inspired by God but written by human authors

      That is something I think we'll strongly agree on -- that the Bible is a flawed book, written by flawed humans.

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      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
    49. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1

      Alright, I'll try to be gentle, here...

      Thanks.

      Would the same apply to your faith? That is, faith makes you happy only as long as it lasts, but it just lasts longer?

      Of course, that's part of it. Not the only part.

      I eventually found a few arguments -- mostly biblical quotes, and the argument from evil -- to draw the conclusion that even if a god exists, it would be the kind of being I probably wouldn't want to worship. At the very least, if a god revealed itself to me, I would have a lot of questions for it.

      Assume God is not all powerful or all good, then the answers would be mundane (God either didn't have the power or the will to behave as you expect). Assume that God is both all powerful and all good, then the questions are much more difficult and the answers are much more interesting.

      From what I've read from you so far, I'm thinking that if you can be convinced that God is all powerful and all good, then he would be the kind of God you would want to worship. I agree: I would not want to worship a God that was not all powerful or not all good.

      Hope... that things will work out for the best, that we're on a path that makes sense, that things we do are right, and have meaning...

      Are any of those resonating?

      Since people are subject to passions and impulses, I don't have the same hope in man as I do in God. I no longer question whether what I do or who I am has meaning.

      I find that I do have hope. The universe, as it is -- without acknowledging or rejecting a supernatural claim, but just looking at the natural universe -- it's unimaginably beautiful. And the way in which we experience, explore, and learn about this universe is inspiring. I don't know if I can put it better than this video -- and I think you'll enjoy it, again, believer or not. I know it sends chills down my spine.

      And it may give you some insight into, not why I don't believe, but why I don't need to.

      Yes. The universe is (I'm without word) ...awesome?, beautiful? with endless possibilities. And man's advances, not only over the last 100 years, but in all ages, inspiring. Courage, insight, strength, imagination, will to survive. And man's product not just in science but in fine art and the liberal arts. Amazing. Please don't think I'm mocking, I am not. I give a full-throated: "Amen!".

      I come away with this understanding about you, I am not trying to put words into you mouth, I'm echoing back only what I think I hear. I think you are saying that the possibility of endless discoveries and the apparently uncapped capability of man to discover them is enough to satisfy your deepest longings.

      Not to diminish your experience, but that was another reason I showed that video to you -- there are powerful experiences like this, I could even call them religious experiences, but they aren't necessarily tied to a god.

      I would also suggest that your experience is the root of your belief, not the other way around -- that on a very basic level, the message of most religion came out of similar experiences.

      And I do mean, not to diminish your experience -- I am not trying to say it's insignificant, or that you imagined it. I just have a different interpretation of it.

      Thank you for the gracious response.

      I would say that in order for humans to experience God at all, humans would need to have developed the capacity to do so. I can accept, without any challenge to my belief in God, a theory that the course of evolution caused that capacity to develop. I can also agree that this capacity to experience God is applicable in our relationship with other realities of existence, such as our shared experience in the awesome expanse of the universe. However, I am not convinced and do not agree

    50. Re:debated != "mystery" by Zecheus · · Score: 1

      I'm out. I grabbed a big tiger. Hope you don't take it the wrong way. I actually enjoyed this and learned alot. Your challenges are bigger than my capability and this mode of communication (slashdot forum).

    51. Re:debated != "mystery" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I was going to try to keep this short, but it didn't work out that way. I hope, at least, it's interesting to read...

      Since people are subject to passions and impulses, I don't have the same hope in man as I do in God.

      In every detailed description I've found of a god, I see the same passions and impulses. In particular, a "jealous god" sounds very human.

      I suppose, for me, it's actually more inspiring that we find ways to overcome whatever flaws we have. Perhaps it would be foolish of me to have faith in humanity, but I certainly have hope.

      I think you are saying that the possibility of endless discoveries and the apparently uncapped capability of man to discover them is enough to satisfy your deepest longings.

      I would say, it inspires longings that are then fulfilled when I see these discoveries happening.

      Indeed, I'll admit most of my knowledge of evolution comes from my making an Internet sport out of debating Creationists, but I've also come to admire just how amazing it is -- both that it happens, and how all of these fields of human knowledge come together to support it, and how it then supports so many of the same fields.

      It's the same kind of eureka moment as when I finally manage to make a program work...

      I would not say that these alone satisfy every longing that I have. There are more personal things, like love.

      But it stems from: There is only this material world, and what we make of it. Religion is one thing we could make of it. Freed from those constraints, what could I invent?

      However, I am not convinced and do not agree that the development of our capacity to believe (or in religious experience) is an accident.

      Well, define "accident".

      It's true, there are complete accidents and evolutionary dead-ends. What purpose does the appendix serve?

      I suspect that religion is such a thing, but it's not difficult to see what purpose it at least has served. It's a product of our ability to see patterns -- the tiger in the grass. It has a beneficial aspect of bringing us together -- though again, it's hard to say whether this comes out of religion, or religion comes out of this.

      So, to me, it's not difficult to see how religion might have evolved. Nor does this immediately challenge your faith -- after all, you need eyes to see God, and a brain to think about and understand him, and these were evolved as mere means of survival.

      There is certainly a need to distinguish hallucination from spiritual experience.

      The problem is, I'm not sure how to do that, other than to insist that the spiritual experience be independently verified -- that is, that many people saw the same thing at the same time, perhaps that it was videotaped...

      In other words, the only way I know to test such experiences is to treat them as superstition -- to be skeptical of them as I would be of the Loch Ness Monster, or of alien abductions. This does not immediately imply that such a claim is ridiculous, only that it is extraordinary -- as in, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

      If God does not intervene in the world, how is it possible for me to experience him?

      Good point, but I suppose I should've been more clear -- or perhaps I should've read more about Deism.

      Why not simply believe in a God, one who created the universe and interacts with it, without being tied to any particular scripture?

      Jesus does want to come into your life. He won't barge in without your invitation because he respects you. I think you could agree that some faith would be needed on your part to extend that invitation to Jesus.

      I don't agree.

      After all, if we were talking about an ordinary person, I could simply open the door to my house and let them in. Perhaps I'm assuming their existence, but that's because I can see them.

      So, for example, if Jes

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      Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  15. How many of you were... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    picking your nose when you read this? I was - it scared me to think that scientist still haven't figured out why I am doing it!

  16. easy by antiquitas · · Score: 1

    boogers = nostril bugs = grooming -- meaning, clearly, nose-picking should be socially acceptable.

    1. Re:easy by redKrane · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is, in terms of function, nose picking is not only acceptable but mandatory. Society just prefers that we not allow anyone to see us perform this action. Possibly even funnier, society prefers us to expel the items in our nose all over the damn place, rather than carefully removing the unwanted material. Kinda gross, I know, but still odd to me.

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      that's my word, holla...
    2. Re:easy by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      You can pick your friends. And you can pick your nose. But you can't pick your friend's nose.

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      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    3. Re:easy by antiquitas · · Score: 1

      my undergrad advisor always said that

    4. Re:easy by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      boogers = nostril bugs = grooming -- meaning, clearly, nose-picking should be socially acceptable.

      The same with wiping your ass. Still there is no good reason to have to do in public.

    5. Re:easy by antiquitas · · Score: 1

      not quite the same. chimps aren't known for wiping other chimps' butts. as far as i know.......

  17. Why there has to be reason for everything? by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Sure there are traits that might arise due to evolution.

    But there are also traits that may arise randomly, perhaps, e.g. Eye color. The fact we have 2 eyes on one side of our body, and not 2 eyes in front and 2 eyes behind, for 360 degree view.

    Perhaps because the trait was coincidentally accompanied with a different desired trait. And the random, meaningless trait wasn't harmful enough to get selected out of the population.

    1. Re:Why there has to be reason for everything? by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      I think I recall reading that the brain expends a large portion of the body's total energy in processing visual information. Having twice as many eyes might not be worth the extra food required to operate them.

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      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    2. Re:Why there has to be reason for everything? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That's not particularly random. Blue eyes became common because our ancestors thought it was really hot, I know there are hypotheses about it making it real easy to see dilation, but I'm not sure it's been particularly well established.

      We don't have 4 eyes because that's not of any benefit. In order to have the extra 2 eyes, you would need to have the processing structures to handle it. Which would require one to either have less of other brain structures or a larger noggin. Neither of which are particularly useful. It's especially unlikely since we evolved to have 2 eyes placed on the front like predators rather than 2 on the side like prey.

      It's even less useful when you consider the fact that humans can run down pretty much anything over a long enough distance and that with the increased intellect that our brains provided we could spook quite a few things to get them running away from us.

      Yeah, I guess it is random in the sense that it wouldn't really be known ahead of time, but we're talking in most cases about small incremental changes over many millenia. I think blue eyes are really the only major exception to that rule that we know about at present.

    3. Re:Why there has to be reason for everything? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Ah, but you see.. what reason would our ancestors think blue eyes are hot? Other than randomness?

  18. Missed another pair: Teh goat guy and tubgirl by tomhudson · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Not that we want to know the why of what they do ... and pity anyone who ends up with that as a research assignment. "Today, I have to interview this really big asshole - no, not Rush Limbaugh - and if you thing THAT's shitty, you ain't seen nothin' yet!"

  19. Is slashdot going the way of Digg? by lalena · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've all heard the joke about how to get on the front page of Digg.
    Your article title should be "Top X {Reasons|Ways|Games...] To [Pick Up Girls|Make your own Fusion Reactor...]"
    Yesterday on /. it was an article on 10 failed mouse designs. Today it is 10 things we don't know about the human body.

    1. Re:Is slashdot going the way of Digg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anon to prevent OT karma burn.

      If there is a story that you don't like, log in and click the "-" on the top of the story. If enough people do that, it WILL disappear from the front page.

    2. Re:Is slashdot going the way of Digg? by fedxone-v86 · · Score: 1

      If there is a story that you don't like, log in and click the "-" on the top of the story. If enough people do that, it WILL disappear from the front page.

      So, you're saying, we're going the way of Reddit?

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      (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
    3. Re:Is slashdot going the way of Digg? by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      Or could it just be that powerpoint culture is seeping out at the edges and contaminating everything it touches with bulleted lists?

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      The world you experience is only a close approximation of reality.
  20. Wow. by Hubbell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Indeed, Robin Dunbar at the University of Oxford has found that laughing increases levels of endorphins, our body's natural opiates, which he believes helps to strengthen social relationships."

    Pretty sure this has been common knowledge for years/decades.

    1. Re:Wow. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It's more than that, humor is more than that, it's a way of maintaining status, either by ridiculing enemies or disarming them. There's a reason why we're so much more inclined to like dirty jokes or ones that make fun of people.

  21. Some Seem Obvious by BinaryX01 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some of these seem obvious, I am not a researcher or professor not am I involved with any sort of grant so I could be completely wrong but... Blushing - When we become excited or anxious blood rushes faster to the face that it is pumped away so the increased oxygenated blood causes the reddish tint, seems like this one is more of a why does our heart rate increase when we are excited or anxious? Pubic hair, we have hair around every part of the body that has more sensitive skin, head, genitals, inside of the nose, etc... Most of us don't have hair on the palms of our hands (you know who you are you unclean slashdotters) because that would interfere with tactile sensation needed for more dexterous tasks Teenagers, apes don't have someone constantly trying to sell them a look or mood. Teenagers don't invent fashions and trends marketers do. Then a popular teenager decides that what the marketer said about it being cool must be true and their peers all wanting to be cool too follow. I am pretty sure my grandmother was not "emo". Again it seems like the question here is why do humans feel the need to follow the crowd. Superstition - Somewhere along the way someone had a bad experience that they linked with another event (most likely coincidental) and they shared that information, and just as stories are retold superstition is passed along as well. There have also been some early studies showing that belief in superstitions may be a mild form of OCD. Nose Picking, if your nose is clogged up you pick it to open nasal passages. Like any other behavior this can become habitual to the point of it happening unconsciously at inappropriate times.

    1. Re:Some Seem Obvious by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      If the genitals need protection against chaffing, then why does the hair not develop until adolescence? Me thinks it's a marker of maturity, leftover from the days when humans created offspring at much younger ages.

    2. Re:Some Seem Obvious by tixxit · · Score: 1

      Well, for guys, our balls haven't dropped, so there isn't much to protect from chaffing or keep warm. It can also act as an indicator for sexual maturity.

    3. Re:Some Seem Obvious by tixxit · · Score: 1

      Oops, just realized you mentioned it is an indicator. First point still holds, for guys.

    4. Re:Some Seem Obvious by OolimPhon · · Score: 1

      It's not the genitals that need protection against chaffing, it's the pubic bone above them. That's the part of the participant's body that gets the most pressure during sex.

      As its the male body that does (most of) the moving, that would probably explain why the area of his pubic hair is larger than that of the female.

    5. Re:Some Seem Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As its the male body that does (most of) the moving, that would probably explain why the area of his pubic hair is larger than that of the female.

      You realize the little landing strip you see in movies isn't exactly the natural state of things, right?

  22. I think we know more than this. by hyperion2010 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Laughter, art, pubic hair and kissing are the only things that stand out on the list as possibly unknown. Art is probably the most complex and "advanced" of all human behaviors so it will only have a highly complex answer. I have this feeling that laughter is not unique to humans and is probably based at some level on a physiological/neurological response to a number of mental states such as relief, happiness, perception of incongruity (irony), and a few others (for some people pain which is where we will probably have the best shot at figuring out that actual mechanisms...). At least in males and probably females this would probably be the product of the overlapping expression of two (maybe more) genes, one receptor that triggers localized hair growth when it receives a signal from another molecule (probably testosterone?), thus, when humans hit puberty and start developing secondary sexual features high concentrations of pubes form in the crotch because the signaling molecule is in such high abundance there (just a guess...). Kissing? Hell if I know, maybe a delaying tactic developed by females to see just how committed and patient a male was.

    Nose picking? DUH??!!?? Ever seen a fly groom itself or a monkey in the mirror? The monkey always checks its teeth. No one likes boogers, they are irritating, thus, remove the irritant. Same as picking at scabs.
    Puberty? Tons of animals have it, its just another stage in development which just so happens to involve major rewiring of their neural circuitry and reformatting of their bodies. Not surprisingly, they tend to get a bit testy during this phase.
    Blushing? Vasodialation caused by a hormonal release triggered by embarrassment AKA a type of fear.
    Altruism? Pretty good explanations out there based on group selection theories and group size + competition.
    Supersition? Our brains continually look for causes by default and when they don't find an obvious one they will make the next best connection based on the associations available in the brain. Very hand if someone comes up with a single universal cause for everything (god anyone?).
    Dreams. Ok maybe not very well understood experimentally, but lots of animals dream. Neurons have to keep firing or they loose their connections, at some point during the evolutionary process a state developed for neural networks at rest were they started to replay their most recently experiences and integrate them in to the structure of the brain. Basically dreams are the time when the brain does upkeep and integrates its most recent experiences and solidifies the most memorable ones. Probably where we do most of our associational learning.

    (Full disclosure: NON EXPERT, but this is /. so you know that already)

    1. Re:I think we know more than this. by ParticleGirl · · Score: 2, Informative

      The currently popular theory of kissing's adaptive nature holds that kissing is a way to exchange (biochemical) information about hormone levels and immune system types, and also promotes emotional attachment towards pair bonding.

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    2. Re:I think we know more than this. by msheekhah · · Score: 1

      Valentine Michael Smith said of laughter, "It's the only thing that makes the pain stop..." He said this while he was at a zoo, watching monkeys. A monkey found some kind of treat... retreated with it to keep it safe. A bigger monkey saw and went over and hit him on the head and took it. So that monkey went over and hit a smaller monkey on the head and stormed off...

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    3. Re:I think we know more than this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say art is an effect of the development of higher skills involving communication, particularly visual language. It was around before writing. I'd even suspect that we'd not have writing if it weren't for art. And it still comes in handy for where normal language fails. Somebody can write or speak about something, and if that language barrier is there - I'm going to be lost. But regardless of whether you speak or write in any language I fail to understand, if you make a painting or drawing or sculpture - I'm pretty sure I'm going to have an idea of what it's about. It's just something that registers at a more primal level.

    4. Re:I think we know more than this. by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      I have this feeling that laughter is not unique to humans and is probably based at some level on a physiological/neurological response to a number of mental states such as relief, happiness, perception of incongruity (irony), and a few others (for some people pain which is where we will probably have the best shot at figuring out that actual mechanisms...).

      My 2c

      Laughter seems the noisy version of smiling. Dogs and cats kind of smile too: they look at you and close their eyes for a brief moment. The meaning seems pretty obvious to me, if the creature closes its eyes in front of you, it trusts you not to do anything hostile, the act represents trust.

      When we smile we show teeth, an aggressive stance that contrasts with the rest of the body which stays relaxed or relaxes even more. Showing teeth means we detect our own superiority: intellectual when we understand a joke, concrete when we beat somebody or we see somebody slipping, abstract when something works out the way we expect... By showing the teeth we tell others we are in control of the situation. Being relaxed means we are not in a fit of rage.
      Back to laughter, our superiority is communicated loudly by a "shout", whose intermittence expresses control, as opposed to a howl of pain or a shout of panic. We smile when we are happy too, happiness defined as "the feeling that I am", so "i feel important", so the sense of superiority kicks in.

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    5. Re:I think we know more than this. by Shooter28 · · Score: 1

      From something I saw on Discovery, kissing actually transmits chemicals in saliva to your partner. It increases attraction.

  23. What about Cricket? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has to be one of the most bizarre and unexplainable forms of human behavior.

    1. Re:What about Cricket? by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've never watched a game of curling.

  24. Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...to incest, which is bad for the gene pool.

    When our primate ancestors stopped leaving the cave as soon as they could and started staying home with their parents until later in life, what better way to avoid interbreeding between offspring and parents than to make teenagers hate/piss off their parents, and do whatever they could to impregnate/get impregnated by someone else?

    That's nature saying: "Get away from these same-gene carriers. Get out, and get wild. Multiply now!". And when they do, that's positive feedback for the evolutionary push. Interbreeding would reduce the probability of survival of the group in the long term (and short term, if <disgusting attempt to joke about people locked in basements removed>).

    1. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by mldi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...to incest, which is bad for the gene pool.

      When our primate ancestors stopped leaving the cave as soon as they could and started staying home with their parents until later in life, what better way to avoid interbreeding between offspring and parents than to make teenagers hate/piss off their parents, and do whatever they could to impregnate/get impregnated by someone else?

      That's nature saying: "Get away from these same-gene carriers. Get out, and get wild. Multiply now!". And when they do, that's positive feedback for the evolutionary push. Interbreeding would reduce the probability of survival of the group in the long term (and short term, if <disgusting attempt to joke about people locked in basements removed>).

      Wow.

      I've never read such an insane "scientific" explanation for something as simple as a pool of hormones on a developing brain. That much going on will affect anybody.

      How far out do you think these cave dwellers actually ventured?

      Also, do you suppose in an earlier time when every able body was so important to the survival of the group, that "teens" would act out the way they do now?

      I would say it isn't an evolutionary response so much as just simple development. You're reading too much into it.

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    2. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't know posts here were considered "scientific" explanations! I naively thought it was just a healthy exchange of ideas.

      They would venture far enough not to interbreed, not necessarily away from the whole group. A lot of mammals get urges to leave the family when they get close to sexual maturity.

      I though about this "scientific" explanation (I'm posting here, so it ought to be) when I saw a documentary where two cheetahs, brother and sister, who got along so far started to get aggressive towards each other and parted ways then they became "teenagers". The "scientific" explanation (this time from the most authoritative source of true - the telly) was that this diminished the chance of interbreeding.

      Couldn't it be plausible that humans too had a mechanism to separate close-to-sexual-maturity from siblings and parents? Couldn't that be activated by something as simple as a pool of hormones also having effect on a developing brain? Maybe that is a bug now, but used to be a feature?

      I don't suppose we (well, most of us) suddenly became morally aware that interbreeding was not correct, thus decided not to do it. Unless, of course we were intelligently designed this way.

    3. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by evilviper · · Score: 1

      what better way to avoid interbreeding between offspring and parents than to make teenagers hate/piss off their parents, and do whatever they could to impregnate/get impregnated by someone else?

      A) Teen-aged rebellion may keep children and parents at a distance, but it will do the same for children raised by foster-parents. It also does little to keep similarly-aged children of opposite sex apart, so it has no relation to "gene carriers" except in an incidental sense.

      B) It's pretty well established that rebellious behavior is simply developing children wanting and needing to begin to set out on their own, and distance themselves from their dependence on their parents. It's only in the modern world where teenagers are forced into a factory-like schedule of education and complete dependence upon their parents until they magically and suddenly hit the age of 18, whereby they can be thrown out to fend for themselves, without having had the time and limited freedom to gradually develop their independence.

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    4. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by AnyoneEB · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The main evolutionary reaction to incest is the Westermarck effect, which basically means that people usually are not sexually attracted to anyone they spent a significant amount of time around during the first six years of their life. As that usually includes their parents and siblings, it greatly discourages incest.

      There are other posts on this thread suggesting that teenage rebellion only occurs in some cultures, so biological evolution does not explain it, although you could perhaps argue that cultural evolution does... but I am not really sure how that would work.

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    5. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      The main evolutionary reaction to incest is the Westermarck effect, which basically means that people usually are not sexually attracted to anyone they spent a significant amount of time around during the first six years of their life. As that usually includes their parents and siblings, it greatly discourages incest.

      That's really interesting! I wish I had mod points...

      Would there be an opposite equivalent on the parents' side? An explanation for why parents are not sexually attracted to their offspring?

      Only imprinting that on the offspring side surely works well to avoid sibling inbreeding, but maybe not as effective to avoid parent-offspring inbreeding (at least not consensual!)

      Is there some similar imprinting in the parents, or is it just learned moral values?

    6. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      A) Teen-aged rebellion may keep children and parents at a distance, but it will do the same for children raised by foster-parents.

      But evolution didn't have time to adapt to foster-parenting yet :-)

      It also does little to keep similarly-aged children of opposite sex apart, so it has no relation to "gene carriers" except in an incidental sense.

      Then for this there's AnyoneEB's interesting reference below.

      B) It's pretty well established that rebellious behavior is simply developing children wanting and needing to begin to set out on their own, and distance themselves from their dependence on their parents.

      Indeed, but can't one of the reasons for this need to set out on their own be our instincts' way of avoiding inbreeding (instincts inherited from the times when they could set out on their own)? What is the reason we (and some mammals) have the urge to set out on our own, whereas other mammals (like meerkats, which then live in clans where only the alpha pair breeds) haven't?

      No flame disclaimer: I'm not trying to present a "scientific explanation" here, just brainstorming and trying get free knowledge from you. My field observations are from Animal Planet, and I'm a semi-autistic engineer, so what do I know about human and animal social behavior? My first post was an attempt to do a funny musing I had about the subject.

    7. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by twostix · · Score: 1

      Evolutions "reaction"??

      Sometimes it really seems that people have just replaced the word "god" with "evolution" and "nature" around here.

      Evolution isn't a physical being that controls anything, it's not sentient and doesn't sit in its throne in the sky inserting genes into humans to make us behave the way it wants. Please stop anthropomorphizing a scientific theory.

      Incest only became a significant taboo in recent human history and many animals have incestuous relations when there's no better alternative.

    8. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Its not positive feedback, evolution has no concept of positive feedback. Positive feedback is a human concept invented to give us warm fuzzy feelings about doing the right thing.

      Evolution and in fact most of nature works purely on negative feedback or lack there of. Evolution doesn't prefer anything what so ever, it just punishes things that are bad for a species by killing it off.

      The whole idea of postive feedback is just one of those retarded things people have invented that screws up evolution and results in teenagers and children like we have today that don't listen to anyone, parents included.

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    9. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      Sounds like bullshit to me, as if someone took the Oedipus myth too literally. Most of us have the experience of establishing friendly sibling-like relationships with people later in life, and the thought of sex with such people is repugnant. The amateurish "ladder theory" is much more accurate than Westermarck's gimmick.

    10. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I did not anthropomorphize evolution. It was a metaphor. Do you think incest is just a taboo? Isn't there a biological advantage in not interbreeding? When there's a possibly inheritable characteristic (not "designed"!) that has some slight advantage over another in terms of health/survival of the genes, won't that result in this characteristic being reinforced because of natural selection? Can then you "get" the metaphor of, say, "The urge for a cockroach to run to dark places is evolution's reaction to predators" without one having to explain the actual whole process? (well, my mistake for using metaphors in writing a scientific paper...)

      But you must be right; incest is just a taboo - Nature almighty does not want us to mix up genes; that's why She created Eve from an Adam's body part; we all have the same genetic code, and that's the way it should be.

      As you said "many animals have incestuous relations **when there's no better alternative**". How do they "decide" that not interbreeding is the "better alternative"? Do animals have taboos too? Or is that a behavior that could be explained by the advantage of not interbreeding being reinforced by natural selection?

      (and yes, I know there are even animals that reproduce asexually, thus passing along the same code. I'm talking about the rest of us)

    11. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      I used "positive feedback" in the "control loop" sense, not in the "pat in the back" or "antropomorphic" sense.

      You introduce a tiny, random perturbation in a control system. Positive feedback loops back to the input reinforcing that tiny perturbation in the same direction. Negative feedback subtracts from that perturbation in the input.

      And please, positive/negative are not something intelligently designed, it's just positive=pass the characteristic along; negative=does not pass the characteristic along. Huge male sea elephants are a result of the "positive feedback" of females picking the bullies over generations. In the same "control loop" terminology, one could say the output "overshoot", and now the size may become a disadvantage (they may unintentionally squash the females) - that's "negative feedback" kicking in.

    12. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Then for this there's AnyoneEB's interesting reference below.

      Yes, but that just WEAKENS your point... ie. no additional method is needed to avoid in-breeding.

      Indeed, but can't one of the reasons for this need to set out on their own be our instincts' way of avoiding inbreeding (instincts inherited from the times when they could set out on their own)?

      If any, it seems a completely insignificant, compared to the primary reasons (...survival).

      What is the reason we (and some mammals) have the urge to set out on our own, whereas other mammals (like meerkats, which then live in clans where only the alpha pair breeds) haven't?

      Oh, I'd suspect it has a lot to do with the relatively large land area needed to feed a large mammal.

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    13. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by jsveiga · · Score: 1

      You seem to think all things must have only one cause/solution/explanation, and that must be the one you believe. "Oh, you see: There IS another explanation for this, so you your's is futile, impossible and completely insignificant". I tend to think most of the "non-digital" things may have composed causes, and I like speculating about it with people who know how to do it friendly, so it is useless to keep arguing, specially since I just noticed your sig, and I don't believe in you ;-)

    14. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by evilviper · · Score: 1

      You seem to think all things must have only one cause/solution/explanation,

      No. But when one is life-and-death, and the other is trivial and may be entirely coincidental (ie. unintended), it's only reasonable to write-off the latter until strong evidence is found to support it.

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    15. Re:Teenage behaviour is evolution's reaction by mldi · · Score: 1

      Wow, I didn't know posts here were considered "scientific" explanations! I naively thought it was just a healthy exchange of ideas.

      My bad, truly.

      Couldn't it be plausible that humans too had a mechanism to separate close-to-sexual-maturity from siblings and parents? Couldn't that be activated by something as simple as a pool of hormones also having effect on a developing brain? Maybe that is a bug now, but used to be a feature?

      I'd be more inclined to say the behavior is more of a side-effect of sexual and physical maturity/development, and less a driving force for the necessity of clean gene pools. What about the ones that stick around home or never have major social problems through puberty? Are they developmentally handicapped?

      While there are plenty of mammals that do have inclinations to leave home at the "teenage" years, there are also many that tend to stick around family their entire lives. Maybe it's more advantageous for cheetahs and other mammals that display this behavior? Being as how a cheetah would have relatively few natural predators, and since there's only so much food supply in one area, I would think the drive to leave the nest has less to do with clean gene pools and more to do with immediate survival.

      I don't suppose we (well, most of us) suddenly became morally aware that interbreeding was not correct, thus decided not to do it. Unless, of course we were intelligently designed this way.

      Well, whoever/whatever intelligently designed us this way must have forgot about Alabama then :p

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  25. They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Still haven't heard a reasonable explanation on that one.

    1. Re:They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

      Yes, OT but thank god! I thought I was crazy... never heard of anyone else having them...

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    2. Re:They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you don't consider this "reasonable", but I suspect instead you don't read The Straight Dope enough if at all.

      http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1044/what-causes-piss-shiver

    3. Re:They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Troll? Seriously? Any reason for modding me troll or just feel like being a dick?

    4. Re:They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no medic or much of anything (unemployed), but sudden loss of pressure in the abdominal cavity could cause the blood to rush from your extremities / skin to equalize the pressure.

      Highest pressure will be at the bottom of the cavity, where the bladder is. When you take a crap the food in the whole digestive system moves along so it's not the same, and you're tensing lots of your abdominal muscles during the process, increasing the pressure.

      The bodies heat is distributed by the blood, sudden blood loss over you're entire skin surface could give you the shivers.

      Just think a portion of what you pissed out is being replaced by blood thats come from your skin, and the pressure loss is sustained so the body can't adapt fast enough by constricting the vascular system until your bladder is empty.

      I'm really poor if anyone wants to give me a Nobel prize :P

    5. Re:They forgot something. The Piss Shivers. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Troll? Seriously? Any reason for modding me troll or just feel like being a dick?

      I think there's a self-appointed naughty words brigade loose on slashdot. They mod down words that they don't like.

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  26. You hold the same view on gambling as Descartes by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

    Better to be paranoid than to be gullible -- better to be afraid of the tiger that isn't there than to be eaten by the tiger who is.

    Religion gets the gullible paranoid about an invisible, all seeing judgmental sky tiger.

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    1. Re:You hold the same view on gambling as Descartes by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You hold the same view on gambling as Descartes

      Do you mean Pascal maybe ? Come on, the guy had a programming language named after him and everything.

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    2. Re:You hold the same view on gambling as Descartes by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      You hold the same view on gambling as Descartes

      Do you mean Pascal maybe ? Come on, the guy had a programming language named after him and everything.

      DOH! Descarte was the guy with the pineal gland problem, not the gambling problem :-|

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  27. Thank you! by denzacar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You pointed out nicely what I was about to post. Here are the links I was going to add though:

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=teenage
    http://www.answers.com/topic/teenager
    http://www.home-school.com/Articles/PlattTeenagers.html

    As resource bases contract and the world goes back to a solar economy, expect the teenager to disappear.

    I wouldn't agree on this though.

    Teen and teen-age are a western 1st world invention - now in use globally.
    Unless entire western... no... HUMAN civilization disappears COMPLETELY - the term and the stage of human development it describes will remain distinctive from childhood and adulthood.
    And I am talking going back to hunter-gatherer stage long enough that current languages are changed and forgotten.
    Even then, upper classes WILL continue to pamper their young long after they (the "rulers" and "thinkers" - not the kids) stop writing dictionaries and regulating language. Teenagers would continue to exist in tradition among the upper class even if no one remained who could remember the word any more.

    The only way it may be replaced or removed from use (other than what I said above) is if it is further broken down to early and late teens.
    Into something like earleens and lateens. Or prims and seconds. Or juniors and seniors.

    But, for something like that to happen you would need a HUGE social difference to appear. Globally.
    Like for example giving 15-16 year-olds a right to vote or something similar.
    Just like teenagers first appeared when kids globally started being sent to school despite hitting puberty (instead of being sent to work in mines, fields etc.) - a new stage in the society would have to be created first.

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    1. Re:Thank you! by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 2, Informative

      In the country I live in, 16 year olds can vote, drink and go clubbing. They can get permanent criminal records and can leave school or whatever. The schools don't need to notify the parents of squat and they can even write there own "absentee" notes for school if they choose to attend.

      But they are still teenagers. Most still need parents to pay rent etc. So they are "dependents".

      My Grandfather left school (after the war) at 14, and was living on his own at 16 and married at 18. His wife was 16.

      Things *are* different from 50 years ago.

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  28. Chins up! by hoarier · · Score: 1

    Chin aside, every part of the head has some plausible function. But how about the chin? Chins baffle me.

    1. Re:Chins up! by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Chin aside, every part of the head has some plausible function. But how about the chin? Chins baffle me.

      Two words: Bruce Campbell.

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  29. Laughing at. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . .certain things certainly doesn't. . .uh. . .strengthen social relationships.

  30. Pubic Hair? by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

    Can someone here tell me why the smell of the person you might be crawling in bed with smells bad? Last time i checked you should kick out the funky ones. Scent is one of our best senses. I like it myself :-)

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  31. what a load of bullshit by mestar · · Score: 1

    This article is just dumb. All of those things are explained fairly well, if not completely. And except for dumb nose picking which clears the nose you idiot author, all of them are about sexual selection/sexual success.

    I'm sick of people having problems with traits that are handicaps. Yes they are handicaps, that's their function, to truthfully communicate that your genes are successful despite having those handicaps.

    That explains hair, teenagers, dreams, art, superstitions, kissing, probably blushing. And of course, human brain. You should just put that on the list as well, as it is the main sexual ornament in humans. And that would explain laughter/humor as a part of a process of communicating health/strength/size of the brain.

    Stupid.

  32. Blushing levels the social playing field. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Even Darwin struggled to explain why we would evolve a response that lets others know that we have cheated or lied"

    Diversity is good within a species, as it strengthens the species as a whole when times are hard - like a new disease, sudden diet changes due to changes in food supply, habitat changes, strength to resist poisoning, etc..

    Maybe blushing is there to help diversity be maintained in the long term?

    A non-blushing individual could have a massive social advantage within their group. This gene line could spread through a population relatively quickly compared to other mutations, possibly having such a detrimental effect on diversity that a whole group or even species could get wiped out by a sudden environmental change.

    Someone who doesn't blush possibly could be very dangerous to our and archaic humans' social mechanisms.... When it comes to individuals communicating, blushing lets the one party know that the subject of the conversation is important to the other. This can induce empathy in the blushed-to, and when we find people that are like us it is a very strong bonding force. Blushing forces feelings out into public, feelings that could stay inside if it weren't for the blushing - it provides a short cut to letting another how you truly feel.

    If a human didn't learn that blushing lets other people know what really matters to them, they could keep things secret much more effectively. That would bring them social power in some situations. They'd grow up being able to never involuntarily let others know what really touches them, and this could make them a right nut-case.... blushing keeps the ego in check in this respect. Not blushing is the wrong sort of advantage for the species.

    Now then, how blushing isn't fully compatible with the modern world where routine non-face to face contact occurs is left as an exercise for the reader. Bonus marks for comparing this to non-human entities, like corporations, governments, or religious establishments.

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  33. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The answer to these questions is the same as the answer to "Why does a dog lick itself?"... Because it can, or in this case because we can. We sometimes evolve to be able to do things but more likely than not, a freak of evolution has enabled us to do something else. So we did not evolve to do something rather we do something because evolution has brought us far enough to do it. Or in other words we work with the tools God provided.

  34. It's done for "perfection." by Peter+Cooper · · Score: 1

    I'm convinced nose picking is done as a sort of anal obsession with "perfection." It's in the same bracket as when people fill up with gas and try to exactly hit exactly to the nearest full currency unit (not such a big thing in the US due to prepay, but elsewhere it's common).

    There are a lot of weird behaviors people do as a way to ensure regularity and "correctness" even when such correctness isn't required and even if it takes more time. Picking scabs, picking your nose, etc, seem like attempts to "perfect" the body to me.

    1. Re:It's done for "perfection." by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      It's a compensation for feeling a lack of control.

      While you cannot control many things, you can control that damn gallon counter!

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    2. Re:It's done for "perfection." by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      I usually try to hit a round number when filling up since it makes it easier to balance your bank account.

      Of course, now it's all done on a computer it's not really an issue so I've been trying out just letting it stop wherever it automatically knocks off, but it feels weird.

      I also can't have a numeric volume control at an odd number unless it ends with a five :(

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    3. Re:It's done for "perfection." by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 1

      Maybe the gas thing is just to avoid hauling around bits of loose change?

      I know I used to carefully get to exactly $30/$40/$50 or whatever note combination I had in my wallet.
      However these days I pretty much always pay with a credit card, and I couldn't care less what 'odd' number the amount is.

    4. Re:It's done for "perfection." by Dmala · · Score: 1

      Maybe the gas thing is just to avoid hauling around bits of loose change?

      I used to do it even though I've always bought gas on a credit card. I quit doing that lately, though. My new obsession is getting in those last few squirts of gas so the needle goes all the way up and rests against the stop. It's trickier than you'd think, because every pump seems to cut off at a slightly different point.

    5. Re:It's done for "perfection." by Jorth · · Score: 1

      The volume control thing is so true... 2,4,5,6,8,0 are all acceptable, even if say 21 is the perfect volume, I just bugs me too much so I will turn it down to 20 :(

  35. Kissing = human variant of "pout face" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Kissing? Hell if I know, maybe a delaying tactic developed by females to see just how committed and patient a male was.

    From a "psychology of language acquisition" course I took back in the early '70s:

    Apes and (some?) monkeys have a social signal called "pout face": It consists of puckering/pursing the lips in the direction of another individual, and signals that the sender is attempting to be friendly. It looks very much like a human's extreme solicitation for the other individual to kiss the sender (though it is not).

    Perhaps kissing in humans as early pair-bonding and sexual foreplay evolved from this "Hi! Be my friend?" signal of our primate ancestors?

    Alternatively: Some herd herbivores, such as camels, do kiss - to share saliva containing necessary digestive bacteria with other members of the herd, in order to help each other build and maintain a healthy digestive tract. This is especially necessary for getting cultures established in the newborn, to enable digestion of forage and thus weaning. Perhaps kissing babies performs a similar function for humans. If so: Courtship behavior often contains elements of treating the potential partner as one would a child, to show the partner that you'd be a good parent. Thus kissing as courtship would follow from kissing as a good child-care action.

    A third possibility: Some diseases have different outcomes depending on what tissue receives the initial infection. Example: Smallpox. Before "vaccination" (injection of the related "vaccinia" (cowpox) live virus, which doesn't generally kill people and confers cross-immunity) was developed, "innoculation" with live smallpox virus insured that the infection started in the skin (usually survivable) rather than the lungs (usually fatal). The mouth has a VERY active branch of the immune system, as a defense against food-borne pathogens. Perhaps, when one is starting to come down with some infections, giving the other members of the family their initial infection in the mouth, rather than risking it take root in the lungs, increases their chance of survival.

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    1. Re:Kissing = human variant of "pout face" by ParticleGirl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Kissing is not a solely human trait; many of our closest relatives also engage in kissing behavior. It's a trait we share with several other species of apes.

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  36. Number One on My List. by ponraul · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sleeping.

    Why do we have to spend somewhere between 4 to 10 hours at a time in a defenseless state? What is the evolutionary rational for this mode of behavior?

  37. Dreams explained by KingSkippus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There was a really good story not too long about about a theory of why dreams evolved. Basically, it says that it's practice for real-life situations. I know, sometimes they're crazy, how is dreaming that you've managed to go to school in just your underwear practice for real life? Although you may never actually go to school in your underwear, you do experience the same sensations in real life--embarrassment, fear, love (and lust), terror, and so on--that you experience in these crazy dreams. They prepare you for the real life stuff that happens to you.

    Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

  38. Citation please? by glitch23 · · Score: 1

    Modern apes maintain the ancestral 'pant-pant' laugh when they are tickled during play, and this evolved into the human 'ha-ha.'

    Really? Where is the direct evidence to support this claim? Any research I can read? Citations?

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  39. A MUCH better list, courtesy of wikipedia by schweini · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I recently discovered a general list of unsolved problems, which I find fascinating. It's like a summary of the current limits of science and human knowledge and understanding.
    TFA was ridiculous.

  40. Why are we pursuing this? by Valkyre · · Score: 1

    Can you name ten things on your present vehicle that make no design sense whatsoever? I'd imagine you can without breaking a sweat, and on something that was designed by human hands. Now take a biological organism, something that thru a process of winner-take-all competition somehow managed to develop into a dominant form: would that form be perfect? Would every piece of the puzzle fit perfectly together in an ordered tapestry? Does the operating system you are currently running still have vestiges of long-unused or obsolete code that do things they were never intended to do but not fatally destroy the final work?

    Natural selection does not require perfection. It doesn't even require mediocrity. It only requires that there be something lower on the ladder than you are. But as long as we're asking, what happened to my awesome prehensile tail?

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  41. Your grandmother wasn't emo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but I bet she was a beatnik

  42. Chair throwing by c0nst · · Score: 1

    One more thing scientists can't seem to understand is the remarkable ability of some humans to throw chairs

  43. The Pee Shakes. by MasterNetHead · · Score: 1

    WHY?

  44. The future of society by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    We most certainly are going back, probably a lot sooner than anyone would guess. That's what happens when you have a bunch of delusional selfish drugged up middle agers ignorantly trying to push around a smaller, younger generation who never learned to listen to authority. I can't believe the baby boomers actually expect the younger generation to support them in their old age! I want some of that they're smoking! (actually I don't, look what it did for them!)

  45. Missing option by countertrolling · · Score: 1

    Why are fart jokes still funny?

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  46. hmmm by NeoTubNinja · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. Does this mean we need to do opium to make friends?

  47. Sorry, keep on dreaming by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    There are women who indeed see through the bullshit. Most of them learned it however the hardway. After being used a dozen times even the biggest idiot will learn. Unless a woman can see through bullshit when she is a teen, there is nothing special. A woman of 30+ really should be able to tell when she is being lied to.

    The problem for women is that our society still raises them with a lethal combo of:

    A, love conquers all. Beauty will tame the beast (who even in the disney movie is an asshole) and so it doesn't matter how lousy guy he is, your love will save him.

    B, Happiness is a boyfriend. No woman can be content alone, if you are single then you are miserable and therefor it is better to be with someone who makes you miserable because that way you can be miserable AND cleanup after two people.

    C, Men have to make the first move. 80% of women prefer to be chased.

    This makes women extremely vulnerable to "the pose" as you call it. Especially C. If a woman waits to be chased, then the only she can ever date are the chasers. And who is more likely to be out chasing the most? A so-called "nice" guy or a user who just wants to nail as many women as possible? And of course, B means that even this man who she should be table to tell is only going to use her is better then nothing and A tells her that if only she loves him, he will change.

    It is a neat package and coronors around the world tag and bag the results of it.

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    1. Re:Sorry, keep on dreaming by am+2k · · Score: 1

      I don't think this is a learned trait, especially C. The sexes are simply different, and you have to treat them that way.

      Additionally, I think when flirting most women know when they're being lied to, but still like the pretense of believing the bullshit that the guy says. The challenge is to keep this "reality" alive.

  48. Re:Dreams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The neuroscience lectures at mit opencourseware tend to agree with you overall. Dreams are thought to be at least in part an integration and memory procedure. They may also be a way to replay circumstances that might soon again occur and are difficult and perhaps threatening. My own theory is that they are manifestations of the brain synchronizing it's various modules which are thought of as widely distributed and massively parallel processed. If the large number of brain modules, thought by some to be as many as 200 in number, are to a high degree self contained while necessarily interdependent than dreaming may be a synchronizing of modules currently undergoing high usage and of more fundamental, often used interdependent modules. This would be the more so if the synchronization processes keyed on recent real world events. Therefore some aspect of dreaming would be giving downbeats and directions much like the conductor of a symphonic orchestra in preparation for the next day's waking performances. Although it doesn't explain flying dreams which I experience in great number. I once had a lucid, early morning dream wherein I was sitting in a movie theater watching a movie I was starring in. There was thus a disturbing but exhilarating of experience three distinct mode of consciousness.

  49. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

    Yes. When God created us, we were all black. Then the devil came along and caused some of us to degenerate and loose colour.

    And of course, most white people try to re-gain as much color as possible. Or the sunbed wouldn't have been invented.

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  50. evolutionary advantage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think there is an evolutionary advantage against noses that need picking. Sadly you can still find a mate even if you pick your nose all the time.

  51. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Or the wigger.

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  52. The one thing we know for certain by actionbastard · · Score: 1

    Is that you can't fix 'stupid'.

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  53. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by Jerry+Smith · · Score: 1

    why are we niggers and white? wasn't there only 1 color in the beginning?

    Whiteness is the mark of Cain, Adam and Eve were black.

    Yes I kid.

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  54. Rule 34 by supernova_hq · · Score: 1
  55. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by Repossessed · · Score: 1

    I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but black skin is apparently more susceptible to frostbite.

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  56. Laughter is pissantly easy to explain. by Repossessed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Laughter increases the feeling of mirth in people who hear it.

    Mirth itself is harder to explain, but it appears to serve a number of purposes, from a defense mechanism against hopelessness to stress relief to social reinforcement (teasing, mocking).

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    1. Re:Laughter is pissantly easy to explain. by shish · · Score: 1

      Laughter increases the feeling of mirth in people who hear it.

      Yes, but why laughter? Why don't people eg shake their elbows to show amusement? (Not a great example, since elbow shaking has reasons against it, but what is the reason for "ha ha"?)

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    2. Re:Laughter is pissantly easy to explain. by Repossessed · · Score: 1

      The specific sound or that it is a sound at all?

      Primates all use voice for communication, though its primitive by human standards, so it makes sense they communicate this with voice as well (there are body and facial language components as well though).

      As for why the specific sounds in question? Hell if I know.

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  57. Laughing isn't that complicated. by AftanGustur · · Score: 1
    Laughing is used by humans in a social contexts to signal "no threat".

    At a moment of social discomfort or tension, the weaker individual(s) will fake a laugh to signal that he is not a threat and does not want trouble. I.e. this signals that he is not in an agressive state.

    Just watch around you, smiling is often also used in this way,

    Laughing also often means "I'm in your social team", i.e. when someone tells a joke that is socially humiliating for a certail group of people, you may laugh to signal that you consider yourself not a part of the humiliated group.

    Watch "Cocky Comedy" by David Dengelo where he puts laughter in a social context.

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    1. Re:Laughing isn't that complicated. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

      At a moment of social discomfort or tension, the weaker individual(s) will fake a laugh to signal that he is not a threat and does not want trouble. I.e. this signals that he is not in an agressive state.

      The key word here is, "Fake".

      Real laughter is an altogether different phenomenon. What you are referring to, I think, is a form of Game-Theory, in this case using false reactions or the calculated application of otherwise natural reactions (like telling a funny joke which belittles whatever social group you choose to plug into the joke formula) in an effort to obtain a desired result.

      Laughter itself remains a bit of a puzzle. I've figured out WHY things are funny, but the reason laughter creates that weird set of diaphragm auto-reactions and why it feels good. . . I've only ever read one theory which goes some distance to explain it, but it had to go pretty far afield to do so and even then I remain unsatisfied.

      -FL

  58. Hmmm.... by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    This might explain why pubs are so popular and many main-line churches are not. People in pubs tend to laugh together. In some church communities, people rarely seem to laugh.

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  59. Laughter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is now a good explanation of laughter:

    http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/french/as-sa/editors/origins.html

    The Ontic-Epistemic Theory of the Comic developed in this new book might be summarized as follows: normal human cognition is subjective and anthropomorphic, which is to say people are all but incapable of seeing external reality without re-interpreting it according to their values, beliefs and judgments. We see the world, not through 'rose coloured glasses,' but through multi-coloured and ever-changing lenses of which we are almost always unaware - and which modify and even distort our perceptions in various ways according to what our culture teaches us to see in any given situation. So, not only is the selection of facts we perceive in external states of affairs very limited -- by various forms of filtering, selections and simplifications -- but we also add a great deal of cultural baggage to our perceptions in order to give everything in life a social significance, and a human orientation.

            Perception is very nearly always directed and shaped by social considerations, yet it would be impossible even to believe in cultural values, or to live in a society based upon them, if it were obvious to everyone that such socio-cultural institutions were merely arbitrary constructs first dreamt up and later passed down and acculturated into each new generation, without really being there at all. Normal human social cognition thus also serves, as one of its most fundamental and crucial functions, to erase the distinction between the different types of entity that we collectively consider 'true' or 'real.' The physical object must never appear more credible than, or even distinct from, the mental one. A man's social status must not seem any less real than his body, and when we mentally associate concepts of status with an actual person we see, for instance, in a policeman's blue uniform, we must not view this as a disguise, because the social state of being a true officer of the law, a mere mental object, must be inseparable, and indistinguishable, from the individual policeman himself, a real biological organism.

            The comic then, that which causes laughter, according to Marteinson's theory, is the perception of an 'unravelling of the seams' between external facts, intuitive notions and cultural concepts, all of which are normally levelled and rendered equivalent in anthropomorphic perception. Social being and material fact have different criteria for truth and falsehood, and this is what is revealed by the comic. Laughter, then, is an instinctive reaction to an epistemological checkmate, in particular an event which shatters and fragments perceptions into the different ontic classes of objects that normally comprise them. When this occurs, social reality as we know it momentarily ceases to have the emotional and epistemological value of being real, and the physical world in its cultural poverty is all that is left standing in perception. The cultural intensions the laughing subject had equated with his or her intuitive notions of the concrete state of affairs pass from a high degree of acceptance to a perception of falsehood. Laughter in fact serves to restore normal socio-cognitive perception and to facilitate the forgetting of the comic stimulus. Very frequently, these stimuli involve concepts of social identity, and other aspects of the perception of social roles. For this reason, this book considers laughter from the point of view of the ontology of social being.

  60. Nosepicking by petrus4 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't speak for anyone else, but usually the only reason why that happens in my own case is if there's something in there that has hardened and is sticking into the wall of one of my nostrils, and it itches, or even hurts.

    So to remove the pain, I remove the source of it. ;)

  61. 11. Religions - God? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    11. Religions - God?

    There seems to be a "need" to believe in an all-knowing being who controls everything without any proof. And there is, conveniently, no way to prove the existence using a scientific method.

    Think of all the human effort that's been wasted over the ages due to this.

  62. Laughter by tony7531 · · Score: 1

    I love to laugh.

  63. If there's Grass on the Pitch... by dmendels · · Score: 1

    Play Ball! Pubic hair is a semaphore.

  64. Endorphins, our body's natural opiates by Inda · · Score: 1

    My occupational health nurse suggested to me that endorphins, being our body's natural opiates, would help me enjoy life more. She's a fitness nut, if you're interested.

    Why did she give me such a strange look when I suggested they should sell endorphins in powder form?

    C'mon, it's the only reason these drug addicts spend an hour a day exercising.

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  65. Re:at what point did humans turn nigger/white etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL... I don't know if the AC knows this, but what he's saying is that black people haven't evolved since then. Yes, we all know black people resemble monkeys more than any other race. Admit it. The fact that their skin is black is only "icing on the top".

  66. Nope. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1

    Nope.

    What he's done is to use a lot of University-Speak to explain why things are funny. I can do that in one line:

    "Funny is when two perceptions of reality disagree." --Every single case of 'funny' I've ever seen boils down to this rule. Which I came up with myself. Please feel free to share it. :-)

    But why funny things cause our muscles to auto-react by bouncing around inside us, causing our diaphragms and vocal muscles to emit those weird expulsions of chortle and giggle. . , and why it feels so awesome. . , that he hasn't explained. And neither can I at the moment, (though I remain optimistic that one day I'll figure it out, or more likely, read somebody who has).

    -FL

  67. opiates ... strengthen social relationships by bugi · · Score: 1

    Finally, we have a reason for the war on drugs. The lack of social relationships makes people easier to control because they don't gang up on The Man.

  68. creationism and circular reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many human behaviors and characteristics which are hard to explain by evolution, have an alternate, better explanation from the creationist perspective.

    You illustrate precisely why special creationism is worthless. The method of science places constraints on our models of the universe that allow us to know when we're wrong. Creationism is not subject to any constraints; the shoulder-shrugging "God made it that way" "explanation" explains nothing at all precisely because it unconstrained.

    The corallary to your insinuation that some things are hard for evolution to explain is that there is nothing that can't be "explained" by claiming it was "created [by a deity] that way".

    Nobody has ever found a culture or ethnic group that does not practice some form of religion.

    1) I think you're making that up. Or, perhaps you're just considering a broad enough definition of "some form of religion" to include everyone, making the definition meaningless. Many modern European "cultures" and "ethnic groups" practice no form of "religion". I do not practice any form of religion, and there are many like me; do we not constitute a "culture or ethnic group"?
    2) Just because it's popular doesn't make it correct. Stop using this argument.

    The Bible tells us...

    The Bible "tells us" many things, including that its claims are completely reliable. That's the intellectual equivalent of "because I said so!", and obviously does not constitute an argument that its claims are correct.

    They can if they want to observe God's creativity.

    That's begging the question! There is no evidence that there must exist any god at all, and are many reasons to believe that there is no such god.

    Some scientists actually do appreciate God's creation.

    Well, they believe it is that which they are appreciating, anyway.

    God considers atheists to be fools...

    So monotheists, and their "holy" scriptures, often claim. But we have only their word that they are correct. Polytheists and their "holy" scriptures claim that the gods consider atheists to be fools, and again we have only their word on the matter; no evidence that it is so, and much that it is not.

    even though he...hopes they would turn from their folly.

    A being with such supposed power need not merely hope. If he wanted them not to be fools, he was either mallicious or incompetent at "creating them such that they could not believe".

    The wicked person plots against a righteous one and grits his teeth at him.

    Perhaps, but people can be righteous without being Christian (or even theistic), theists (and, of course Christians), can be be wicked.

    The Lord laughs at him because he has seen that his time is coming.

    So the Bible claims.

    Godless fools say in their hearts, "There is no God."

    So the Bible claims. This is a transparent crowd-baiting tactic, well within the capability of a below-average author, that only works on the weak-minded and cowardly: "Only idiots disbelieve me. You don't want to be an idiot, do you? Do you?"

    So, let's see just how effective that tactic is, even when the claimant thinks it's true:
    Only idiots believe in special creation. You're not an idiot, are you? Are you?

  69. MOD PARENT UP by PMBjornerud · · Score: 1

    I searched this article specifically to find a discussion about dreaming.

    Thanks for the link. I have been pondering this myself and concluded that dreaming have to be mental "what-if" simulations allowing faster reactions when situations arise in real life.

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  70. Don't you ever recharge batteries ? by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    Simple .. To recharge ourselves, to put our body functions in a deeper relaxed state to heal and be strong after ... Just like a battery needs ...

    did I just saw a cat ? or was that a glitch ... ?

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  71. I have solved the breast problem by sean4u · · Score: 1

    I read once - or maybe imagined it - that some research showed that the optic nerve was very sensitive to anything in the field of vision that looked like eyes. There was a description of an experiment to do with circles and dots on flashcards and timed responses I think - I've had a quick search, but can find nothing, does anybody recognise that description? I also think I recall the suggestion that this was evolutionarily beneficial, as it gave advance warning when a predator or enemy was watching you.

    Human women have two comparatively large (even more noticeable on the Internet), round breasts with dots in the middle. Your eyes point at these things before you even realise that they're there. Why is that? My explanation is that it's an evolutionary adaptation that takes advantage of the eye's 'eye detection' mechanism. Human breasts are large fake eyes that confer additional fitness on the possessor by causing males to look at them before they look at females with less apparent 'eyes'.

    Original research. You read it here first.

  72. pubic hair has 2 main functions: by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    1. reduce friction between skin surfaces in tight spots. same reason you have underarm hair
    2. retain pheromones for sexual attraction and cues

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  73. it trains the immune system by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    and why waste it? its not a waste product

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  74. 10 things about Humans... by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

    Well add Jerry Louis to the list as well. The French love him but they are about his only fans.

  75. Oblib XKCD by uberjoe · · Score: 1
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  76. It's not just biology or evolution by laurabetterly · · Score: 1

    I think things occur for those reasons. Let's face it, bodies have a need to be free of mucus in order to breathe, but laughter can be a response to many factors. One involuntary when one is tickled. Two as a way for masking uncomfortableness which is more in the area of emotions (which really can't be explained from a biology standpoint.) Three, laughter is also a sign of intelligence in that the understanding of it can denote an absurdity or see another view. My .02

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  77. and why do kitty-cats have such small nostrils? by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

    Because they have small fingers/claws....

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