However I might be wrong. If so, please correct me.
You're wrong.
First of all 'Boise' is the capital of Idaho. (I know it was the grandparent that started it, but still...)
Boies was a lawyer for the DOJ in their case against Microsoft, not a lawyer for Microsoft. The first google hit for "boies microsoft doj" is here. He actually did quite a good job, and I had a lot of respect for him until he started representing SCO.
I accidentally wrote this once. It wasn't actually a '1', it was a longer-than-one-line equation, but it evaluated out the same (as I figured out after I rebooted). I was really glad I hadn't been using one of the main university machines like the instructor told us.
Most likely if you have a PC built within the last 5 years and a compatible Ethernet card, you can use Preboot Execution Environment (PXE) to boot from the network.
(Though the article referenced refers to Linux, the spec is OS independent. It is, in fact, used by Win2k's RIS, and can be used on computers without any hard drive at all.)
I'm wondering if the submitter is showing a bias by his comments.
On SlashDot? Say it ain't so!
This is a non-partisan problem.
Precisely. I'm about as right-wing as you can get, and I see this as essential legislation. I'd even go as far as saying that those who oppose this must have their own agendas, and shouldn't be trusted. A true conservative loves democracy more than power.
I mean register each machine with another e-mail address, so they would all be free.
... Script it so you parse...
Yes, I know I could do that. I could use up3date. I could subscribe to Bugtraq, parse out all of the RedHat updates, and they wouldn't even have any of my e-mail addresses. There are probably many ways I haven't even thought of.
The point is that they (quite reasonably, IMHO) ask(ed) for $60/year for this service. I used that service. I find it hard to believe that if people followed that (even giving the first machine away for free), they would lose money. Evidentally, there were too many leeching, so they did lose money, and now they're moving to their WS/ES/AS levels and leaving all of us (including those who did pay real money) without an alternative for the services to which I was referring - namely the low-end DNS/DHCP/firewall/non-critical WWW, for which ES is overkill and Fedora is both too unstable and will require version updates too frequently.
You aren't really forced to spend the $60/year and when you factor that in the price drops back down to $0.
Right - and I admin somewhere around a dozen of these type boxes. I realize I could create multiple e-mail addresses, but so much for me Trying To Do The Right Thing (tm).
With a new PC, about $120 (for XP Pro, around $100 for XP Home)
And then compare that to free downloadable Redhat 9 ISOs.
$60/year. So XP is cheaper if you're running for > 2 years.
If you want support like what Microsoft gives for their server products then Redhat has their own Enterprise versions as well.
Again, for $350/year, MS is $500 (again OEM pricing) plus CALs if you don't already have other MS servers. Still in the 2-3 year range.
Now, I'll grant you that you need to factor in the cost of administrative maintenance and the occasional(?) virus removal, but those numbers are "fuzzier", and it makes it more difficult for me to demonstrate that it is cheaper to run Linux than to run Microsoft.
I've played with Gentoo at home - it may be time to start looking at it from a server viewpoint.
robots.txt gives instructions to well behaved search engines. If you all are particularly paranoid about it (and I'm not saying you shouldn't be), go crawl it yourself and *gasp* ignore robots.txt
While I don't disagree with any of your points (I bought a Jaz drive, fully expecting the media cost to come down, and it never did even when you could buy two entire hard drives with removable trays for less than one Jaz disk), they do have one redeemable market - NAS. Their NAS devices are quite nice and come with decent software. (I feel so dirty after saying that.)
I predict they'll find a way to screw up that market, too, like they have all of their good ideas since the Bernoulli disk.
Bah. I have an "HP LaserJet Series II" about 10 feet away from me. I've tried to kill it, but it's just too inexpensive to keep fixing it and letting it run off several thousand more pages. The II's and III's were built like tanks.
There are a handful of websites that should be in everyone's bookmarks. Top of the list is Google. Nuff said.
Google is nowhere in my bookmarks. (Of course, I use Mozilla, and have Google as my search engine, so all I have to do it type it in the location bar and click "Search".)
You mean you didn't learn like the rest of us to use "ogin:" in your scripts? I started doing that as soon as I figured out why a script somebody else sent me (which caused me to do a double-take) used "assword:" in it.
From #1: These include the nature and seriousness of the offense, the deterrent effect of the prosecution, the potential defendant s culpability, the potential defendant s history with respect to criminal activity, the likelihood of the prosecution leading to additional investigations of others, and the possible sentence or other consequences.
Does this mean Microsoft would be likely to be prosecuted?
Well actually for normal people that didn't happen until the 70s - Concorde. And after
October they won't be able to do it anymore ironically because of economic reasons so frankly
he couldn't have picked a worse analogy.
I think he was talking about two different things here:
1. Flying supersonic speeds - started with Chuck Yeager
2. Usually "coast-to-coast" means from one end of the continent to the other (e.g. NY to LA) rather than intercontinental
...and he didn't say anything about "normal people," just that it would be possible.
The Wiggles aren't so bad - granted they don't offer much to the parents the way Bugs Bunny (or, even better, the Animaniacs) does. OTOH, my children are only vaguely aware of who Barney is.
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You're wrong.
First of all 'Boise' is the capital of Idaho. (I know it was the grandparent that started it, but still...)
Boies was a lawyer for the DOJ in their case against Microsoft, not a lawyer for Microsoft. The first google hit for "boies microsoft doj" is here. He actually did quite a good job, and I had a lot of respect for him until he started representing SCO.
I accidentally wrote this once. It wasn't actually a '1', it was a longer-than-one-line equation, but it evaluated out the same (as I figured out after I rebooted). I was really glad I hadn't been using one of the main university machines like the instructor told us.
Most likely if you have a PC built within the last 5 years and a compatible Ethernet card, you can use Preboot Execution Environment (PXE) to boot from the network.
(Though the article referenced refers to Linux, the spec is OS independent. It is, in fact, used by Win2k's RIS, and can be used on computers without any hard drive at all.)
I guess you've never heard of Parkinson's Law of data: "Data expands to fill the space available for storage"
As what many here would consider a "right-wing kook," I agree with you completely. I don't see why this is a left/right issue at all.
Well, you know what they say: if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
On SlashDot? Say it ain't so!
This is a non-partisan problem.
Precisely. I'm about as right-wing as you can get, and I see this as essential legislation. I'd even go as far as saying that those who oppose this must have their own agendas, and shouldn't be trusted. A true conservative loves democracy more than power.
I mean register each machine with another e-mail address, so they would all be free.
Yes, I know I could do that. I could use up3date. I could subscribe to Bugtraq, parse out all of the RedHat updates, and they wouldn't even have any of my e-mail addresses. There are probably many ways I haven't even thought of.
The point is that they (quite reasonably, IMHO) ask(ed) for $60/year for this service. I used that service. I find it hard to believe that if people followed that (even giving the first machine away for free), they would lose money. Evidentally, there were too many leeching, so they did lose money, and now they're moving to their WS/ES/AS levels and leaving all of us (including those who did pay real money) without an alternative for the services to which I was referring - namely the low-end DNS/DHCP/firewall/non-critical WWW, for which ES is overkill and Fedora is both too unstable and will require version updates too frequently.
Right - and I admin somewhere around a dozen of these type boxes. I realize I could create multiple e-mail addresses, but so much for me Trying To Do The Right Thing (tm).
Agreed. But $350 per year is approaching Microsoft territory, and that's now the low end for RedHat.
With a new PC, about $120 (for XP Pro, around $100 for XP Home)
And then compare that to free downloadable Redhat 9 ISOs.
$60/year. So XP is cheaper if you're running for > 2 years.
If you want support like what Microsoft gives for their server products then Redhat has their own Enterprise versions as well.
Again, for $350/year, MS is $500 (again OEM pricing) plus CALs if you don't already have other MS servers. Still in the 2-3 year range.
Now, I'll grant you that you need to factor in the cost of administrative maintenance and the occasional(?) virus removal, but those numbers are "fuzzier", and it makes it more difficult for me to demonstrate that it is cheaper to run Linux than to run Microsoft.
I've played with Gentoo at home - it may be time to start looking at it from a server viewpoint.
robots.txt gives instructions to well behaved search engines. If you all are particularly paranoid about it (and I'm not saying you shouldn't be), go crawl it yourself and *gasp* ignore robots.txt
While I don't disagree with any of your points (I bought a Jaz drive, fully expecting the media cost to come down, and it never did even when you could buy two entire hard drives with removable trays for less than one Jaz disk), they do have one redeemable market - NAS. Their NAS devices are quite nice and come with decent software. (I feel so dirty after saying that.)
I predict they'll find a way to screw up that market, too, like they have all of their good ideas since the Bernoulli disk.
You could have supplied the link.
Bah. I have an "HP LaserJet Series II" about 10 feet away from me. I've tried to kill it, but it's just too inexpensive to keep fixing it and letting it run off several thousand more pages. The II's and III's were built like tanks.
Google is nowhere in my bookmarks. (Of course, I use Mozilla, and have Google as my search engine, so all I have to do it type it in the location bar and click "Search".)
Sounds like someone needs a LART.
There's no need to make up "news" to justify your poor speeling.
No kidding. Like them or not, Bush has principles that aren't driven by the poll du jour.
You mean you didn't learn like the rest of us to use "ogin:" in your scripts? I started doing that as soon as I figured out why a script somebody else sent me (which caused me to do a double-take) used "assword:" in it.
If you're not trolling, I'm sure the answer would be "hell, yeah!"
Does this mean Microsoft would be likely to be prosecuted?
Not necessarily. Just like with Enron, the media likes seeing big businesses screw up (at least, for purposes of their ratings).
Where you're right is that you won't see a case of John Q. Codemonkey vs. Joe College prosecuted.
I think he was talking about two different things here:
1. Flying supersonic speeds - started with Chuck Yeager
2. Usually "coast-to-coast" means from one end of the continent to the other (e.g. NY to LA) rather than intercontinental
I agree like the rest of your post, however.
The Wiggles aren't so bad - granted they don't offer much to the parents the way Bugs Bunny (or, even better, the Animaniacs) does. OTOH, my children are only vaguely aware of who Barney is.