Agreed, let's call call "Operation: Payback" what it really is, "tantrumism".
That reflects the key point and places the emphasis on the little brother aspect of current events. Unfortunately it diminishes the importance of the explosive nature of civil unrest.
Hopefully the Pols aren't sleeping on the fact that little brother is only going to get more unreasonable. Anyhow, this is how it happens - you know - downfall.
By establishing strict stratification (compartmentalization in modern terms), society can employ the equivalent of several hundred authority-issued sci-fi writers to lock human groups inside their own mutually exclusive, directly competing theologies.
This sets the stage for a peace-maker that ceremoniously dispatches the anointed schlubs to bind each facet of reality within a monolithic meta-framework, thus transferring all the wealth that was spent establishing the stratification via the lineages of now dispatched schlubs right back in the pockets of the original architects.
Am I close, or did you JUST buy your insurance and house from these people while letting the data get away?
I may agree with parts of your argument, but mangling doesn't get you anywhere. I have never read Ayn Rand, but a quick search of google books shows a different angle.
Here is the whole quote:
They had been united in an understanding beyond the violence, beyond the deliberate obscenity of his action; had she meant less to him, he would not have taken her as he did; had he meant less to her, she would not have fought so desperately. The unrepeatable exaltation was in knowing that they both understood this.
-Ayn Rand
Now try this context, a bridge to further cultural exploration of taboo and vulgarity if you examine the source's peers:
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars..."
-Jack Kerouac
I feel you have misconstrued the subject matter, though admit it lends easily to the interpretations you draw above.
The canvas of the cultural revolution that accompanied the development of communication technology (vinyl, radio (mainly FM in the U.S.), t.v.) should validate the emotions that are being expressed by the authors in the above quotes.
Prior to the emancipation of creative forces in the communication marketplace intelligence/creativity and angst/anger/suicidal tendencies were bosom companions. The subcultures that supported the one supported the others.
Put another way:
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix;
Angel-headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection
to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night.
It would completely depend on the details. I think the event in question would have to be more significant than what we are witnessing, but I'm no expert...
Here are some theories for different scenarios I have heard arranged by suspected insanity of source (sane -> unsane -> insane):
1) Seemingly Sane - Particle bombardment from flare event causes irregular sterilization pattern near areas beneath weak magnetic field (they wander a bit, so google is your friend for locating).
Incidence of high exposure elsewhere, but likely not everywhere due to convergence of factors. Massive infrastructure disruption in orbit. Lesser infrastructure destruction on the ground. What happens to planes aloft near the weak zones? Don't know.
If exposure is high enough the impact on phytoplankton living in the upper reaches of the photic zone causes runaway reactions in oceanic chemistry. This would be very very bad as these organisms are estimated at half of the daily terrestrial oxygen production. Combine this with out-gassing of necrotic fumes and you have a threat of poison stinking clouds.
2) Unsane - Massive deformation of the Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere results in large quantities of gas achieving escape conditions. This happens naturally over time, I have no idea if a magnetic field deformation could actually cause a sudden catastrophic event, though.
I was also told HAARP was designed to deform the upper atmosphere to 'deflect' events like this and ballistic missiles. Which gives me pretty good confidence the my source didn't have the science behind the theory either.
3) Insane - The intense pressures and energies involved at the center of the earth generate a particle trapping anomaly. It becomes a unstable if you overcharge it with hard particles. We are only alive on earth because the core is in a cool enough and stable enough state. Solar particles will kill us all, and this is actually an alien test to see if we are smart enough to save ourselves in time.
I'm sticking with option 3, but all those science types would probably go with option 1;)
If we got lucky he would repent and spend the rest of his life doing something productive, or at least not harmful. Imprisonment is a pretty shitty outcome for society as a whole.
That's the point. The answer 'publish nothing' is not recognized data-war tender. The U.S. is clearly hoping for meat space developments to solve this situation.
Otherwise they would have a strategy that involved dealing with the data on the table.
The Egyptians have apparently been saying this for years. The U.S. will enter into new theaters of combat with no concern for the opinion of established actors in the arena. Instead they listen with half an ear, then return to telling the established actors what the U.S. wants them to do.
The net result here is that WikiLeaks gets to start doling out National Security level assignments and drawing up the game plan. Currently Assange is only a few pieces short of being able support a cabinet, storm Sealand, and demand U.N. recognition of sovereignty. All because we are forcing his organization to grow up into a full fledged Intel agency and polarizing other sovereigns into his camp.
If anyone is worried about a stateless future ruled by paramilitary actors start taking notes. The U.S. government appears to be hellbent on making that future a reality.
Hold on, this story is news because WikiLeaks requested the U.S. government help them do exactly what they are now accused of retaining media outlets help them to do.
The U.S. government declined to assist. This is major news. Access to outside parties will continue to increase so long as the U.S. refuses to own this situation and assist in the preparation of these documents for dissemination.
In a more urbane society we would have the days or weeks between letters to contemplate the subject.
Here I will restrain myself to this, a point that atheists should be able to embrace by extrapolation:
Faith of a People in spiritual and religious inheritance within physical realm begets a language of Dominion.
This language is known not to be synonymous with the scripture or the rites of the People, as you can burn their scripture and ban their rites, then burn and ban the people, yet the language has not departed.
I propose that the empowerment of human preference to combine and divide with total consequence will be adjudged synonymous with Abomination by a majority of the current religious practitioners.
Fortunately for futurists, the Dalai Lama has already publicly said that this is what they have been waiting for:
"My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science, so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation."
Sometime within the last two years or so the Dalai Lama was quoted in a U.S. publication confirming that he would accept wetware implant modification if presented in a manner respectful to the continuing quest of humanity.
So there are people that have been preparing themselves for a couple thousand years to join a Mindful trans-humanist future.
Everyone downstream from Melchizedek, though, is in an entirely different boat.
For these people the practice of self-organization is a noun of Dominion.
The act of passing binding judgment is a verb of Dominion.
The conduct of each accepted member of the people constitutes an adjective of Dominion.
Now, via acknowledgment of the blood that binds my own presence here on earth to the keepers of these traditions, I also have to impose on those who do not respect that which is already present, or by advancement threaten to come into needless conflict with the keepers.
As a P.S.: This is the message from fortune right now - "In the future, you're going to get computers as prizes in breakfast cereals. You'll throw them out because your house will be littered with them."
This is a massive condemnation of the preparedness of humans to approach the horizon. I believe the good sir is right in his observation, and even own some of his books.
The impact of expenditure for tooling is distributed across multiple financial periods and can be used to maximize overall take much the same way Uwe used to get his films funded in Germany through a tax strategy for people already making too much money for their bracket elsewhere.
Exercising assets at a known loss rate while harvesting market share and R&D cred doesn't have the financial implications one would expect - the mechanisms for balancing scheduled assets and liabilities offer significant strategic options.
The PS3 was a calculated anchor capitalizing on the inevitable emergence of incremental cost saving steps while holding market share through a burn in period. Every dollar they 'lost' went into the company tax posture.
It is interesting to reflect on the Sony official who was embarrassed after speaking an apparently internal opinion that game makers wouldn't understand how to harness what they had been given for another ten years. I presume he was talking about the Cell.
Is it impolite to ask if you have been seeing recent posts about current materials or endowments being inappropriate hosts for manufactured intellects?
Something about your comment reminds me of those comments, but your message seems to go the other way... until it comes back at the end.
So where to respond?
Elsewhere in this thread you mention this:
Whatever the case may be, I'd like to invoke the Terry Pratchett metaphor of "the brain telling itself a story". Talking about metaphysical phenomena like they where "objects" or "things" is potentially insane. Even "properties" or "concepts" or even "conceptual approximation" are things arising from the human mind.
If the final sentence of the quoted is a recognition of 'human mind' as reflection of intellectual faculty meeting motive force, stabilizing within an anchor form, and encountering thereafter knowledge of ante and precedents resulting in suspicion of implied but absent ante and precedents then maybe we agree.
If the final statement is a postulation that 'human mind,' this origin location, is designated such to emphasize an intellectual nature separate from the implications of the host form then I don't think we concur.
The final sentence of the parent post here is the same way except we must replace the word 'suspicion' with 'knowledge' in the case of the Angelic form. The machine is a different thing depending on the definition of Angel as a form of union and reflection, or segregation and self radiance.
Both posts can be flipped by the value of the last bit. Wasn't that an early framebuffer optimization technique - using single bits to signal inline transformation?
Doesn't have to be a shadow copy if all entangled manifestations are accompanied within their own context by sufficient evidence to be self-evident within the context.
This does not require any observer including the 'copy' to have ability to grok the self-evident state as anything other than being. All copies must have their own expression of change, however, and that expression must on aggregate define a union between the 'copies,' though the state of union itself need not be grokked by the constituents but through observation of relativity with implied constituents.
Intuition, emotion, everything involved in PSI... These are all examples of potential in context cascades resulting from a union with as yet unobserved constituents of a multi-dimensional being. Unobserved unless you consider giving yourself over with total humility to contemplation without temporal concern to be observation... But that leaves very little time for saving the world, so, next life maybe.
No actually. God is the union of the three. The three components of the trinity are Father, Son, and Spirit. The DEUS representation is in the union between these.
The reality is that there is a large divide on this issue that splits the early Christian communities between East and West - Rome leading the Western view.
The Western view clearly states that each position of the trinity is equal but not EQUAL. Meaning there is no aspect of the father greater than the spirit and the father is not the spirit. The Father is God and God is the Father, the Spirit is God and God is the Spirit, the Father is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father.
The Wiki Folk have a start, but there are many facets to this thing:Shield of the Trinity
Given the boost in publicity that the down-time added don't you think anyone calling attention as the cause of said down-time would be investigated for collusion?
When the terrorists attacked and we went running wildly towards total self-oppression it was a win for the terrorists.
When you fail to separate Islam from Terrorism the terrorists also win.
I sometimes want to encourage a little civil disobedience from Muslims I have known just to raise the point that they are all over the place.
If Islam was truly a vehicle of bile and hate Montreal would be in cinders and there would be no discussion of foreign actions by the U.S. as we would be neck deep in blood.
It is as if the terror attacks made people forget that the entire concept of an Islamic state started when the guy all the Muslims were following successfully negotiated peace between tribes (including Jews) that had been fighting for generations.
Know how he did that? He used the exact same device that the HRE used - Eye-for-an-Eye justice was replaced by an adjudicated process. That process included non-lethal reparations to be accepted in the event of causing mortal calamity to another family. The same thing that happened w/the HRE happened with Islam and it spread.
These are not aliens from another planet. We have more than a century of shared history with these cultures.
Their prophet instituted a constitution and entrenched not only rights of People of the Book and their houses of worship, but the rights of their daughters to continue the faith of their ancestors even should they marry a devout Muslim man.
No matter how educated outsiders think they are, if they don't know the simple history behind the 'opponent' then they have no right to denounce the opponent in totality, only case by case.
On another note, how does an unconfirmed Catholic end up being the voice of defense against the Islam==Terrorism thing?
Do we really not have practicing Muslims in our community? If you are out there it may be time for a little forum activity, right?
Good thing that the radicals are a vast minority of believers. Here is a simple test to find out if you are talking to a radical or not: Ask them to explain the Constitution of Medina.
Now go spend the five minutes necessary to understand the protections the founding prophet of Islam dictated for non-Muslims living within his political domain. All the People of the Book know this lesson.
When we end the institutionalized treachery between the cultures we will get a long lost friend back as if from the dead.
We have to pretend they don't work or else the PC folks descend like shrieking harpies to insist that force has never accomplished anything in history.
In the 'developed' world the use of force is supposed to be accompanied by an intention that falls within an allowable spectrum.
Use of force for no intention but the satisfaction of personal frustration is not generally accepted at any level. At the sovereign state level the sorting of intentions can approach impossibility, though.
So the international community, including the U.S. until recently, also attempts to follow up on the actual result compared to the original stated intentions of the actors. This usually results in large bodies of reports that comparatively few people ever read, but which can be a great source of intel (espec. for religious recruitment for the same reasons the unedited notes and raw material for contemporary post-op civil studies are so prized by black hat social engineers).
Sometimes poor form in application of force results in an attempt at I.C.J. style inquisition. Usually casual observers consider it all a pretty hamstrung process.
This form of constant diplomatic pressure to adorn all acts of violence with both intention at the first, and demonstration of integrity via the aggregate results of the effort actually holds promise.
Mainly, the process opens avenues of dialogue where the cost of deploying force can be measured against developmental actions from non-violent arenas that could have achieved the same result, or may be considered prior to use of force on the next go round.
Additionally, international players can add additional costs to types of force through threat of embargo, physical blockading, etc...
This tactic is the logical end-point for international diplomacy in the face of threats of violence. Anything further would violate sovereignty.
You can now correct any screaming harpies that attack you - but beware their power of enthrallment. PC Femme Passers have been known to neutralize capable hackers using the old I'm-More-Than-Just-A-Vag song and dance. Something about opposites attracting... and when the right one realizes you neutralized her screaming with a respectful tone and balanced view she will pretty much jump in your lap.
In fact, this WAS my dating technique until 21/22 or something. Look for the woman that is nicely dressed and already screaming... Then just deal with the 'dressed' part;)
Interesting post, but hobbled by a lack of accounting for Syria.
I first heard rumor not about a Syrian program in 1994, it was emphasized by the CIA (2003), and the Israelis (2007).
The reason you aren't hearing about it is because Damascus is not the oldest continually occupied city on earth by chance. Furthermore, their Jordanian counterparts have a penchant for reaffirming covenants with the U.S. & Israel, performing economic due-diligence, sending their children to American Universities (even their presidents!!), and generally being sane and available to Western actors.
Any belief that Syria and Jordan aren't at least ready to go back-to-back if the Middle East disintegrates is unrealistic.
I have eaten lambs brains at the U.N., marched for Peltier in NYC, raged over Chiapas, urged disclosure on Chile, offended the children of several international leaders to their faces, and held my ground on stage in front of hundreds of humans that disagreed with me on the meaning of sovereignty in times of ethnic cleansing.
I don't need Google to know how to rock. You, on the other hand, appear to be desperately in need of a clue.
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Agreed, let's call call "Operation: Payback" what it really is, "tantrumism".
That reflects the key point and places the emphasis on the little brother aspect of current events. Unfortunately it diminishes the importance of the explosive nature of civil unrest.
Hopefully the Pols aren't sleeping on the fact that little brother is only going to get more unreasonable. Anyhow, this is how it happens - you know - downfall.
Let me guess:
By establishing strict stratification (compartmentalization in modern terms), society can employ the equivalent of several hundred authority-issued sci-fi writers to lock human groups inside their own mutually exclusive, directly competing theologies.
This sets the stage for a peace-maker that ceremoniously dispatches the anointed schlubs to bind each facet of reality within a monolithic meta-framework, thus transferring all the wealth that was spent establishing the stratification via the lineages of now dispatched schlubs right back in the pockets of the original architects.
Am I close, or did you JUST buy your insurance and house from these people while letting the data get away?
I may agree with parts of your argument, but mangling doesn't get you anywhere. I have never read Ayn Rand, but a quick search of google books shows a different angle.
Here is the whole quote:
They had been united in an understanding beyond the violence, beyond the deliberate obscenity of his action; had she meant less to him, he would not have taken her as he did; had he meant less to her, she would not have fought so desperately. The unrepeatable exaltation was in knowing that they both understood this.
-Ayn Rand
Now try this context, a bridge to further cultural exploration of taboo and vulgarity if you examine the source's peers:
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars..."
-Jack Kerouac
I feel you have misconstrued the subject matter, though admit it lends easily to the interpretations you draw above.
The canvas of the cultural revolution that accompanied the development of communication technology (vinyl, radio (mainly FM in the U.S.), t.v.) should validate the emotions that are being expressed by the authors in the above quotes.
Prior to the emancipation of creative forces in the communication marketplace intelligence/creativity and angst/anger/suicidal tendencies were bosom companions. The subcultures that supported the one supported the others.
Put another way:
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix;
Angel-headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection
to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night.
- Howl, Ginsberg
It would completely depend on the details. I think the event in question would have to be more significant than what we are witnessing, but I'm no expert...
Here are some theories for different scenarios I have heard arranged by suspected insanity of source (sane -> unsane -> insane):
1) Seemingly Sane - Particle bombardment from flare event causes irregular sterilization pattern near areas beneath weak magnetic field (they wander a bit, so google is your friend for locating).
Incidence of high exposure elsewhere, but likely not everywhere due to convergence of factors. Massive infrastructure disruption in orbit. Lesser infrastructure destruction on the ground. What happens to planes aloft near the weak zones? Don't know.
If exposure is high enough the impact on phytoplankton living in the upper reaches of the photic zone causes runaway reactions in oceanic chemistry. This would be very very bad as these organisms are estimated at half of the daily terrestrial oxygen production. Combine this with out-gassing of necrotic fumes and you have a threat of poison stinking clouds.
2) Unsane - Massive deformation of the Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere results in large quantities of gas achieving escape conditions. This happens naturally over time, I have no idea if a magnetic field deformation could actually cause a sudden catastrophic event, though.
I was also told HAARP was designed to deform the upper atmosphere to 'deflect' events like this and ballistic missiles. Which gives me pretty good confidence the my source didn't have the science behind the theory either.
3) Insane - The intense pressures and energies involved at the center of the earth generate a particle trapping anomaly. It becomes a unstable if you overcharge it with hard particles. We are only alive on earth because the core is in a cool enough and stable enough state. Solar particles will kill us all, and this is actually an alien test to see if we are smart enough to save ourselves in time.
I'm sticking with option 3, but all those science types would probably go with option 1 ;)
Good point. So maybe some soc. engineering. And hey, he used a website.
They'll be painting this guy like a super hacker by the morning edition...
If we got lucky he would repent and spend the rest of his life doing something productive, or at least not harmful. Imprisonment is a pretty shitty outcome for society as a whole.
That's the point. The answer 'publish nothing' is not recognized data-war tender. The U.S. is clearly hoping for meat space developments to solve this situation.
Otherwise they would have a strategy that involved dealing with the data on the table.
The Egyptians have apparently been saying this for years. The U.S. will enter into new theaters of combat with no concern for the opinion of established actors in the arena. Instead they listen with half an ear, then return to telling the established actors what the U.S. wants them to do.
The net result here is that WikiLeaks gets to start doling out National Security level assignments and drawing up the game plan. Currently Assange is only a few pieces short of being able support a cabinet, storm Sealand, and demand U.N. recognition of sovereignty. All because we are forcing his organization to grow up into a full fledged Intel agency and polarizing other sovereigns into his camp.
If anyone is worried about a stateless future ruled by paramilitary actors start taking notes. The U.S. government appears to be hellbent on making that future a reality.
Hold on, this story is news because WikiLeaks requested the U.S. government help them do exactly what they are now accused of retaining media outlets help them to do.
The U.S. government declined to assist. This is major news. Access to outside parties will continue to increase so long as the U.S. refuses to own this situation and assist in the preparation of these documents for dissemination.
In a more urbane society we would have the days or weeks between letters to contemplate the subject.
Here I will restrain myself to this, a point that atheists should be able to embrace by extrapolation:
Faith of a People in spiritual and religious inheritance within physical realm begets a language of Dominion.
This language is known not to be synonymous with the scripture or the rites of the People, as you can burn their scripture and ban their rites, then burn and ban the people, yet the language has not departed.
I propose that the empowerment of human preference to combine and divide with total consequence will be adjudged synonymous with Abomination by a majority of the current religious practitioners.
Fortunately for futurists, the Dalai Lama has already publicly said that this is what they have been waiting for:
"My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science, so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation."
- The Universe In a Single Atom
Sometime within the last two years or so the Dalai Lama was quoted in a U.S. publication confirming that he would accept wetware implant modification if presented in a manner respectful to the continuing quest of humanity.
So there are people that have been preparing themselves for a couple thousand years to join a Mindful trans-humanist future.
Everyone downstream from Melchizedek, though, is in an entirely different boat.
For these people the practice of self-organization is a noun of Dominion.
The act of passing binding judgment is a verb of Dominion.
The conduct of each accepted member of the people constitutes an adjective of Dominion.
Now, via acknowledgment of the blood that binds my own presence here on earth to the keepers of these traditions, I also have to impose on those who do not respect that which is already present, or by advancement threaten to come into needless conflict with the keepers.
As a P.S.:
This is the message from fortune right now -
"In the future, you're going to get computers as prizes in breakfast cereals. You'll throw them out because your house will be littered with them."
This is a massive condemnation of the preparedness of humans to approach the horizon. I believe the good sir is right in his observation, and even own some of his books.
What is the source of that quote?
Amortization.
The impact of expenditure for tooling is distributed across multiple financial periods and can be used to maximize overall take much the same way Uwe used to get his films funded in Germany through a tax strategy for people already making too much money for their bracket elsewhere.
Exercising assets at a known loss rate while harvesting market share and R&D cred doesn't have the financial implications one would expect - the mechanisms for balancing scheduled assets and liabilities offer significant strategic options.
The PS3 was a calculated anchor capitalizing on the inevitable emergence of incremental cost saving steps while holding market share through a burn in period. Every dollar they 'lost' went into the company tax posture.
It is interesting to reflect on the Sony official who was embarrassed after speaking an apparently internal opinion that game makers wouldn't understand how to harness what they had been given for another ten years. I presume he was talking about the Cell.
Is it impolite to ask if you have been seeing recent posts about current materials or endowments being inappropriate hosts for manufactured intellects?
Something about your comment reminds me of those comments, but your message seems to go the other way... until it comes back at the end.
So where to respond?
Elsewhere in this thread you mention this:
Whatever the case may be, I'd like to invoke the Terry Pratchett metaphor of "the brain telling itself a story". Talking about metaphysical phenomena like they where "objects" or "things" is potentially insane. Even "properties" or "concepts" or even "conceptual approximation" are things arising from the human mind.
If the final sentence of the quoted is a recognition of 'human mind' as reflection of intellectual faculty meeting motive force, stabilizing within an anchor form, and encountering thereafter knowledge of ante and precedents resulting in suspicion of implied but absent ante and precedents then maybe we agree.
If the final statement is a postulation that 'human mind,' this origin location, is designated such to emphasize an intellectual nature separate from the implications of the host form then I don't think we concur.
The final sentence of the parent post here is the same way except we must replace the word 'suspicion' with 'knowledge' in the case of the Angelic form. The machine is a different thing depending on the definition of Angel as a form of union and reflection, or segregation and self radiance.
Both posts can be flipped by the value of the last bit. Wasn't that an early framebuffer optimization technique - using single bits to signal inline transformation?
Anyhow, I am always interested in other opinions.
Doesn't have to be a shadow copy if all entangled manifestations are accompanied within their own context by sufficient evidence to be self-evident within the context.
This does not require any observer including the 'copy' to have ability to grok the self-evident state as anything other than being. All copies must have their own expression of change, however, and that expression must on aggregate define a union between the 'copies,' though the state of union itself need not be grokked by the constituents but through observation of relativity with implied constituents.
Intuition, emotion, everything involved in PSI... These are all examples of potential in context cascades resulting from a union with as yet unobserved constituents of a multi-dimensional being. Unobserved unless you consider giving yourself over with total humility to contemplation without temporal concern to be observation... But that leaves very little time for saving the world, so, next life maybe.
I see now that we are in agreement. Comprehension fail on my part.
It is so common to see the issue confused I jumped to conclusions after reading the gp post.
Thanks.
No actually. God is the union of the three. The three components of the trinity are Father, Son, and Spirit. The DEUS representation is in the union between these.
The reality is that there is a large divide on this issue that splits the early Christian communities between East and West - Rome leading the Western view.
The Western view clearly states that each position of the trinity is equal but not EQUAL. Meaning there is no aspect of the father greater than the spirit and the father is not the spirit. The Father is God and God is the Father, the Spirit is God and God is the Spirit, the Father is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father.
The Wiki Folk have a start, but there are many facets to this thing:Shield of the Trinity
Given the boost in publicity that the down-time added don't you think anyone calling attention as the cause of said down-time would be investigated for collusion?
1. Clippy: Misunderstood animated pedagogical agent or spawn of Satan? - Invokes Sun Tzu
2. Why People Hate the Paperclip: Labels, Appearance, Behavior, and Social Responses to User Interface Agents. Impressive 65 Page PDF available from this abstract page.
3. People Who Hate Clippy, the Stupid Paper Clip from Microsoft Word (Wartburg Chapter). Emergency outreach
4. Meme:Clippy. Fanpic uploads @ end.
5. On Youtube.
6. How I Made Clippy Lovable. Stanford again. What is it with these guys? You know their mascot is a tree?
7. DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS. I think my nose just started bleeding.
8. Et tu DARPA?.
9. Senor Pedaso Molesto de Matal NPR transcript.
10. Back At'chya. Remember before they became inertia?
11. Hark the Herald.. Wait, DIE DIE DIE. Just sayin'.
12. Reflection.
Happy Clippymas! Hope the leaks result in a zillion times the cogitation invested in Clippy..
That's beautiful. Are the pouches mounted on a backboard? Have you posted pics anywhere?
My lady stax & I are also crafters and currently doing hand felted items. We're going to have to riff on your idea for next season.
More important than attempting to convert your analysis is finding out if there are actually any practicing Muslims reading this.
Is there no one to represent themselves with regard to the above assertions?
Have I missed it somewhere in the thread? I haven't seen any (pbuh) action, but a whole lot of negative assertions.
When the terrorists attacked and we went running wildly towards total self-oppression it was a win for the terrorists.
When you fail to separate Islam from Terrorism the terrorists also win.
I sometimes want to encourage a little civil disobedience from Muslims I have known just to raise the point that they are all over the place.
If Islam was truly a vehicle of bile and hate Montreal would be in cinders and there would be no discussion of foreign actions by the U.S. as we would be neck deep in blood.
It is as if the terror attacks made people forget that the entire concept of an Islamic state started when the guy all the Muslims were following successfully negotiated peace between tribes (including Jews) that had been fighting for generations.
Know how he did that? He used the exact same device that the HRE used - Eye-for-an-Eye justice was replaced by an adjudicated process. That process included non-lethal reparations to be accepted in the event of causing mortal calamity to another family. The same thing that happened w/the HRE happened with Islam and it spread.
These are not aliens from another planet. We have more than a century of shared history with these cultures.
Their prophet instituted a constitution and entrenched not only rights of People of the Book and their houses of worship, but the rights of their daughters to continue the faith of their ancestors even should they marry a devout Muslim man.
No matter how educated outsiders think they are, if they don't know the simple history behind the 'opponent' then they have no right to denounce the opponent in totality, only case by case.
On another note, how does an unconfirmed Catholic end up being the voice of defense against the Islam==Terrorism thing?
Do we really not have practicing Muslims in our community? If you are out there it may be time for a little forum activity, right?
Good thing that the radicals are a vast minority of believers. Here is a simple test to find out if you are talking to a radical or not: Ask them to explain the Constitution of Medina.
Now go spend the five minutes necessary to understand the protections the founding prophet of Islam dictated for non-Muslims living within his political domain. All the People of the Book know this lesson.
When we end the institutionalized treachery between the cultures we will get a long lost friend back as if from the dead.
Interesting post. I really disagree on this part:
We have to pretend they don't work or else the PC folks descend like shrieking harpies to insist that force has never accomplished anything in history.
In the 'developed' world the use of force is supposed to be accompanied by an intention that falls within an allowable spectrum.
Use of force for no intention but the satisfaction of personal frustration is not generally accepted at any level. At the sovereign state level the sorting of intentions can approach impossibility, though.
So the international community, including the U.S. until recently, also attempts to follow up on the actual result compared to the original stated intentions of the actors. This usually results in large bodies of reports that comparatively few people ever read, but which can be a great source of intel (espec. for religious recruitment for the same reasons the unedited notes and raw material for contemporary post-op civil studies are so prized by black hat social engineers).
Sometimes poor form in application of force results in an attempt at I.C.J. style inquisition. Usually casual observers consider it all a pretty hamstrung process.
This form of constant diplomatic pressure to adorn all acts of violence with both intention at the first, and demonstration of integrity via the aggregate results of the effort actually holds promise.
Mainly, the process opens avenues of dialogue where the cost of deploying force can be measured against developmental actions from non-violent arenas that could have achieved the same result, or may be considered prior to use of force on the next go round.
Additionally, international players can add additional costs to types of force through threat of embargo, physical blockading, etc...
This tactic is the logical end-point for international diplomacy in the face of threats of violence. Anything further would violate sovereignty.
You can now correct any screaming harpies that attack you - but beware their power of enthrallment. PC Femme Passers have been known to neutralize capable hackers using the old I'm-More-Than-Just-A-Vag song and dance. Something about opposites attracting... and when the right one realizes you neutralized her screaming with a respectful tone and balanced view she will pretty much jump in your lap.
In fact, this WAS my dating technique until 21/22 or something. Look for the woman that is nicely dressed and already screaming... Then just deal with the 'dressed' part ;)
Hope this helps.
Interesting post, but hobbled by a lack of accounting for Syria.
I first heard rumor not about a Syrian program in 1994, it was emphasized by the CIA (2003), and the Israelis (2007).
The reason you aren't hearing about it is because Damascus is not the oldest continually occupied city on earth by chance. Furthermore, their Jordanian counterparts have a penchant for reaffirming covenants with the U.S. & Israel, performing economic due-diligence, sending their children to American Universities (even their presidents!!), and generally being sane and available to Western actors.
Any belief that Syria and Jordan aren't at least ready to go back-to-back if the Middle East disintegrates is unrealistic.
I have eaten lambs brains at the U.N., marched for Peltier in NYC, raged over Chiapas, urged disclosure on Chile, offended the children of several international leaders to their faces, and held my ground on stage in front of hundreds of humans that disagreed with me on the meaning of sovereignty in times of ethnic cleansing.
I don't need Google to know how to rock. You, on the other hand, appear to be desperately in need of a clue.
Stop posting with your karma bonus and pretty much all the mods go away.