Well, I think that nightmarish might be a bit strong.
While I admit that the issues are there, I think they are less of a problem, since when you got the thing to work, it continues to do so. I'd say it is, as with AD, a matter of not customizing too much. It is so easy to start doing you own, "really cool stuff", when you're presented with all the possibilities of a completely open solution like OpenLDAP+Kerberos+Samba. Almost all that have problems in the forums have done this. Myself included. A big problem is that there are too many options.
If keep it basic and manages to stick to the tutorials, you won't have any more problems with that network than the MS kind. Rather, you will have less issues with updates, restarts and so forth.
And the configuration tools, which used to be the big problem, have become much better, they were much to generic before which demanded far too much discipline and knowledge from the user.
I happen to think a culture is way worse off into superstition when it has managed to make a large portion of the populace to participate in a uniform and officially sanctioned belief system compared to just having people believing stuff they feel like believing. Incredibly medieval. Financial crisis? Lack of innovation? Internationally ridiculed? Well, I, for one, isn't surprised.
So I'd say it almost worse in the U.S. when a leader of a country have to confess to believe in gods in the heavens(far cooler than ones behind the rocks and trees) to be allowed to run the country. Yes. He had to. And it even had to be through the teachings of the correct prophet. The last one even said that he acted on religious inspirations. What year was it again? 1300? To compare, the PDP, the ruling party of Nigeria, seem to have enough Western sensibilities. Even though the current President is a muslim, the one before him Olusegun Obasan, was christian. This effectively makes Nigeria more religiously open than the U.S of A.
No. It's time for the U.S. citizen to start living life the more difficult way by studying -> knowing instead of chewing gum -> believing.
Hear, hear! Actually, you don't have to have a very large network to run into issues like this.
I decided to switch to a samba-based network at home for (at least) five reasons:
When i had ran out of the cost-free licences i got through MSDN-certifications(i was an MSCE) i found out that even a home network would become ridiculously expensive if I wanted even the slightest bit of redundance/fail-over functionality. Which I wanted. For some reason, that's considered "enterprise level" stuff, according to MS. They are SO 1995. Also, customization and scripting support sucked extremely hard. You can't do that, was the standard conclusion.
I had huge and completely unexplainable performance and stability issues. I almost went insane by the lack of logging and cost of super-crappy support(first through third level knew less than me and they said the exact same stupid thing, logical reasoning did not work, "tried reinstalling?"), since I had recently started to try Linux and gotten a bit spoiled by the ease of troubleshooting and the fantastic community support.
For each version of windows system requirements effectively doubled or tripled, for practically NO ADDED VALUE on the server-side. I couldn't afford to buy new servers every third year for my home network. Also, I wanted it to run on cheap hardware. Yeah, i now about MTBF, but RAID and redundance helps, new drives are cheap and the other parts don't fail as often, especially in even temperatures.
I had started to HATE IIS and it's super stupid settings-database which got corrupted resulting in really strange errors for no reason. NOT funny that backing it up still worked. ARRGH!
Granted, I wanted to learn more about Linux, Apache, Postgres and LDAP. Which I now do.
And oh, I almost forgot. Backups. How did you do that on Windows in 2004 without getting ripped of? I first solved it using scripting and then came Bacula, beautiful and "enterprice-y". Actually, since 2007, it is ported for Windows. I almost don't like that. It must suck.:-)
What were my experiences?
That when I did this, things were more difficult than they are today. But everything worked the way it was supposed to. And continued to do so. For YEARS. I encountered only two or maybe three bugs during my entire transition. As opposed to the almost daily hair-tugging of the windows experience.
Text-file-based settings are so ridiculously superior to weird binary file-system entities (the registry) that I don't know where to start.(WHY? WHYYY?)
Plain-text, logically localized log files and configurable logging levels are so ridiculously superior to weird binary log-files that I have similar problem of where to start.
Community support is ALWAYS better than the paid MS support, since there you can eventually, and quicker, get the answer from the actual developer of the application. And, almost always, someone else have encountered the same problem, so the forums gives you the answers most of the time. Which is great in the case of ReiserFS, where the main developer is incarcerated.:-) There is an exception to this, though, and that is if you use really exotic software with a small user base. Obviously the number of questions and answers in those forums are less numerous. On the other hand, It might be easier to get a hold of the developer.
Of course, there's stuff that pisses you off in the Linux world. But it belong almost exclusively to the desktop part of that world. Administering *nix servers are a dream come true in comparison to the windows server nightmare. Yup, I have nightmares about windows boxens. Everything is so damn smart and logical. Uh, well sometime maybe not according to YOUR logic, but at least to some logic, which can then be understood. And things are getting better all the time. Especially the communities. An now I have redundant LDAP, DNS, Backup, DC, clustered databases and so forth. On crap computers with non-crap raid controllers. Don't need much more. What has gotten better in the MS-world? Vista? The servers, IIS? And their.NET versions? Well, I can tell you since i am now a windows developer for a living: Not much.
That a post the OFFICIAL youtube blog would be based on such fantastic stupidity seems incredible. However, it seems as too much of a coincidence if not. Mod parent up.
I just looked at Amazons' bestseller lists, and I can't find any Monty Python stuff anywhere. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place, or maybe it has already dropped out of the list. But...
Anyway, I found the original youtube blog post with the mentioned 23 000 percent figure. And an official YouTube blog may not be the most unbiased source of data regarding the efficiency of their "eCommerce platform".
Oh my god. Rewriting the "arithmetic engine" must have been such a HUGE undertaking. I mean, changing the calculation library for, what, 30 functions???! I can't believe that they wasn't praised by EVERYONE!
Instead, everybody opted to just view it as a bug fix and not the mammoth achievement, never before attempted, that it was. Those darned ungrateful users.:-)
Samba isn't a directory service, it's a Linux-based implementation of CIFS/SMB, and as such, is hardly "drop-in" replacement for AD. Why you got modded up for asking a question that reveals such a fundamental lack of knowledge is beyond me.
But, this *is* Slashdot in the 21st century, so I suppose I shouldn't even bother asking.
True.. But you know, Samba 4 is actually supposed to include an ldap backend and will be quite near a drop-in replacement for AD.
It will still possible to use, for example OpenLDAP as the backend if one would like to.
Ok..I see your point.
I feel that maybe he's given a pass because of the seriousness of the current situation.
I mean, it's not like he hasn't got enough things to handle already.
Especially if the U.S. i going to get to get back as "global leader"..which the rest of the globe accepts..:-)
Well. In that context, I don't really see why you're being so harsh on Obama? I mean, well not ALL his appointees has been perfect, but many, in my opinion, has been. Anyway, It is mostly up to the president and his closest advisors(which i think seen mostly alright), setting the tone and policy, anyway.
I'm sorry, but I'll have to persist. I think it was a joke, and at least mildly funny. Yep. There are lot's or "real",corrupt, jokes. Go vote on those better.
Well, I'd say your comment's also kind of redundant, defending the current administration using the potential good or bad of the new one.
Unpartisan?
Ok, I'll explain the joke for you then.
I was making a joke based on me misinterpreting your political stance, talking about "them stupid republicans" like I expected to get an understanding response from you.
We're already seeing the pass being given on some of Obama's poor decisions and the "vetting" of cabinet members. His record hasn't been that stellar so far.
You are right. And also, since you seem to be really unpartisan in your critisism, so I understand that you must be referring to him appointing all them dumb republicans.:-)
This does not mean that I in any way think that flash is great. I totally agree on making websites instead of flash clients. Especially now, when so much of the same functionality can be obtained with other mean.
That's hardly a fair comparison. Microsoft write their own software, whereas Canonical take other peoples work and slap a shitty brown theme on it.
Which, in turn, must be one of the most unfair valuations of Canonicals efforts i have seen to date.. You do have a point, though. That theme of theirs is awfully shitty.:-)
I agree. Britain is easily the least European country in Europe. It also have a high percentage of its population that actually don't even want to be a part of Europe. So if you're looking for Europe, don't look there.
Interestingly though, it is the Germans(no offense, I know most Germans don't fit this description) that are generally considered the most behaviorally American by other Europeans...their stereotype share some of the traits, like being loud and a bit arrogant.
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I think governments hate their own citizens more than Iranians hate the US government, by a lot.
The opposite would apply as well.
Would a straight-up act of identity theft be as funny if it were aimed at an anti-copyright lobbyist?
No...But it was.
Which(actually, factually and objectively) was funny enough to outweigh the not very horrible-murder-level crime being committed.
So, ZOMG LMAO! Grow a sense of humor!
OH MY GOD! (again)
http://i41.tinypic.com/8zr4f5.jpg
OH MY GOD!
You mean he's a SHAPE SHIFTER?!?!!?
That totally explains soo much, like how he got out of kyoto, dodged the shoe and everything else..
My point exactly. :-)
Well, I think that nightmarish might be a bit strong.
While I admit that the issues are there, I think they are less of a problem, since when you got the thing to work, it continues to do so.
I'd say it is, as with AD, a matter of not customizing too much.
It is so easy to start doing you own, "really cool stuff", when you're presented with all the possibilities of a completely open solution like OpenLDAP+Kerberos+Samba. Almost all that have problems in the forums have done this. Myself included. A big problem is that there are too many options.
If keep it basic and manages to stick to the tutorials, you won't have any more problems with that network than the MS kind.
Rather, you will have less issues with updates, restarts and so forth.
And the configuration tools, which used to be the big problem, have become much better, they were much to generic before which demanded far too much discipline and knowledge from the user.
I'd say try now.
I happen to think a culture is way worse off into superstition when it has managed to make a large portion of the populace to participate in a uniform and officially sanctioned belief system compared to just having people believing stuff they feel like believing. Incredibly medieval.
Financial crisis? Lack of innovation? Internationally ridiculed? Well, I, for one, isn't surprised.
So I'd say it almost worse in the U.S. when a leader of a country have to confess to believe in gods in the heavens(far cooler than ones behind the rocks and trees) to be allowed to run the country. Yes. He had to. And it even had to be through the teachings of the correct prophet.
The last one even said that he acted on religious inspirations. What year was it again? 1300?
To compare, the PDP, the ruling party of Nigeria, seem to have enough Western sensibilities. Even though the current President is a muslim, the one before him Olusegun Obasan, was christian. This effectively makes Nigeria more religiously open than the U.S of A.
No. It's time for the U.S. citizen to start living life the more difficult way by studying -> knowing instead of chewing gum -> believing.
Hear, hear!
Actually, you don't have to have a very large network to run into issues like this.
I decided to switch to a samba-based network at home for (at least) five reasons:
What were my experiences?
And continued to do so. For YEARS.
I encountered only two or maybe three bugs during my entire transition. As opposed to the almost daily hair-tugging of the windows experience.
There is an exception to this, though, and that is if you use really exotic software with a small user base. Obviously the number of questions and answers in those forums are less numerous. On the other hand, It might be easier to get a hold of the developer.
Of course, there's stuff that pisses you off in the Linux world. But it belong almost exclusively to the desktop part of that world. .NET versions?
Administering *nix servers are a dream come true in comparison to the windows server nightmare. Yup, I have nightmares about windows boxens.
Everything is so damn smart and logical. Uh, well sometime maybe not according to YOUR logic, but at least to some logic, which can then be understood.
And things are getting better all the time. Especially the communities. An now I have redundant LDAP, DNS, Backup, DC, clustered databases and so forth. On crap computers with non-crap raid controllers. Don't need much more.
What has gotten better in the MS-world? Vista? The servers, IIS? And their
Well, I can tell you since i am now a windows developer for a living: Not much.
LOL.
I don't know what to say.
That a post the OFFICIAL youtube blog would be based on such fantastic stupidity seems incredible.
However, it seems as too much of a coincidence if not.
Mod parent up.
I just looked at Amazons' bestseller lists, and I can't find any Monty Python stuff anywhere.
Maybe I am looking in the wrong place, or maybe it has already dropped out of the list. But...
Anyway, I found the original youtube blog post with the mentioned 23 000 percent figure.
And an official YouTube blog may not be the most unbiased source of data regarding the efficiency of their "eCommerce platform".
Not that they don't deserve the success.
The innards of Calc - the arithmetic engine
Oh my god. Rewriting the "arithmetic engine" must have been such a HUGE undertaking.
I mean, changing the calculation library for, what, 30 functions???!
I can't believe that they wasn't praised by EVERYONE!
Instead, everybody opted to just view it as a bug fix and not the mammoth achievement, never before attempted, that it was. :-)
Those darned ungrateful users.
Samba isn't a directory service, it's a Linux-based implementation of CIFS/SMB, and as such, is hardly "drop-in" replacement for AD. Why you got modded up for asking a question that reveals such a fundamental lack of knowledge is beyond me. But, this *is* Slashdot in the 21st century, so I suppose I shouldn't even bother asking.
True.. But you know, Samba 4 is actually supposed to include an ldap backend and will be quite near a drop-in replacement for AD.
It will still possible to use, for example OpenLDAP as the backend if one would like to.
Ok..I see your point. I feel that maybe he's given a pass because of the seriousness of the current situation. I mean, it's not like he hasn't got enough things to handle already. Especially if the U.S. i going to get to get back as "global leader"..which the rest of the globe accepts.. :-)
Well. In that context, I don't really see why you're being so harsh on Obama?
I mean, well not ALL his appointees has been perfect, but many, in my opinion, has been.
Anyway, It is mostly up to the president and his closest advisors(which i think seen mostly alright), setting the tone and policy, anyway.
I'm sorry, but I'll have to persist. I think it was a joke, and at least mildly funny.
Yep. There are lot's or "real",corrupt, jokes. Go vote on those better.
Well, I'd say your comment's also kind of redundant, defending the current administration using the potential good or bad of the new one.
Unpartisan?
Ok, I'll explain the joke for you then.
I was making a joke based on me misinterpreting your political stance, talking about "them stupid republicans" like I expected to get an understanding response from you.
If you're going to try to use logic to invalidate a person's post, please learn which arguments are valid and which mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
It was my own post. I hate it when i misspell something. However, I do thank you for your concern. :-)
That'd be critiCism. Destroyed all credibility of that post there.
We're already seeing the pass being given on some of Obama's poor decisions and the "vetting" of cabinet members. His record hasn't been that stellar so far.
You are right. And also, since you seem to be really unpartisan in your critisism, so I understand that you must be referring to him appointing all them dumb republicans. :-)
Passing prey with venom-loaded fangs?
I guess I'll just have to, for one, be welcoming our new, elusive, venomous, overlords.
Or wives.
Actually, at least Google, don't know about the others, do index flash content:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-learns-to-crawl-flash.html
This does not mean that I in any way think that flash is great.
I totally agree on making websites instead of flash clients.
Especially now, when so much of the same functionality can be obtained with other mean.
Happy new year!
Can we please stop with the "yo mama" jokes? Please? :-)
Not likely.
Since your mother is at least four million times heavier(more massive) than the sun, it will just be too hard to resist for most.
Dammit.
That's hardly a fair comparison. Microsoft write their own software, whereas Canonical take other peoples work and slap a shitty brown theme on it.
Which, in turn, must be one of the most unfair valuations of Canonicals efforts i have seen to date.. :-)
You do have a point, though. That theme of theirs is awfully shitty.
(Go Kubuntu)
Come on, I read this and it's not very good. And I'm a professional cryptographer working for a 3 letter agency.
Wow. I am positively blown away by the sheer credibility of your post.
I just have to say it again. Wow.
Anons rule.
I agree. Britain is easily the least European country in Europe.
It also have a high percentage of its population that actually don't even want to be a part of Europe.
So if you're looking for Europe, don't look there.
Interestingly though, it is the Germans(no offense, I know most Germans don't fit this description) that are generally considered the most behaviorally American by other Europeans...their stereotype share some of the traits, like being loud and a bit arrogant.
Again. No offense to all bashed. :-)
Sorry... I couldn't resist. That post made almost no sense and there's always one post like that in every thread.
Seems that there's always one reply like this in every thread, too.
Anyway, I hadn't heard anything on this issue for more than a year. Had you?