It's not so much me wanting to get a rise out of you as I would sign up to go to war if necessary, to stop people like you from turning this great nation into a giant company town sweatshop hell hole. I don't believe in war but I would if we ever had a Libertarian president. In a New York minute.
Fortunately, the vast majority of many generations of Americans don't buy your insane kook kook kookoo interpretation of the US Constitution.
There's a cabin somewhere in the mountains. It's waiting for you. There's no place in this evil gawdless communist hellhole called America for gawd fearing profits-over-people corporate uberdroids like you.
Identity theft is easier to do in India where the entire staff can be paid off for the price of one worker in America.
When those East Indians steal your SSN, you won't be able to get the FBI to prosecute foreigners.
Outsourcing also reduces the number of jobs in America and there's nothing to stop a ton of us from boycotting Bank of America, which I for one am now doing - I'm pulling my BofA account TODAY.
If you want unrestricted capitalism, move to Somalia.
You already lost this debate because there is nothing to the universe beyond supply and demand. If it doesn't fit within that narrow equation, it's simply not valid.:)
There is no such right, never has been, never will be. Hiring is economics. If you make stupid hiring decisions based on "moral" grounds and you tank your company your board should fire you because you are an idiot.
This is where you are completely out of your mind. Hiring is not just economics. That's the problem with you greed-is-god people; you don't see the moral side to it, therefore it doesn't exist in your mind.
Corporations' lack of morality inflicts a major cost on society - some corporations create depressed opportunities for women and minorities, others gain profit from selling personal information to foreigners who come back and use it to steal your identity. Both are cases of immoral behavior which is profitable to corporations and highly damaging to society.
Corporations' refusal to consider the morality of their behavior is part of why they are so hated now. Corporations forget that the economy is about people first and money second.
"Is it moral to make the US economy bigger and make everybody in the country better off(on average anyway)? That's what moving jobs overseas does."
No, that is not what it does. It has contributed to a SHRINKING middle class, and a situation where fewer people are considering things like science education, because they know that's the first thing to go overseas. We have a ballooning national and consumer debt, to boot.
Renting a car adds about $20/$30 a DAY (for a crappy car) rental fee in addition to whatever you pay for fuel fees to gas it up.
Also, in America, we hate being forced to be around each other when we commute. Traveling together communally puts us even closer to the riff raff we're trying so hard to avoid (not that the roads are perfectly safe, what with road rage and all).
Also, if people take bikes to work then they are going to be biking 50 miles. Try that some time. Especially if you have to do a grocery run. They don't deliver groceries in many places in the US. Have fun! The more likely scenario is people will move closer to work, and guess what? Rents in apartments near workplaces will skyrocket in price. Then you'll get laid off, your job outsourced to India, and you'll have to pack up and move. Oh wait, you can't - you don't have a car! Oops!
Oh and as for the crime rate on trains... women get groped a lot in public transportation... especially in Japan. ANOTHER reason to drive to work; at least then the groper has to pry his way into your car to get under your panties (if you're a woman).
Also, in America, women don't date men who don't have cars. I can't possibly exaggerate that. If we switched to buses, bikes and trains, women would hate us even more than they already do.
I'm all for gun ownership, but what happens when they a) poison your food b) launch a RPG from long distance (see: Mogadishu) c) line everything beyond your property with grenades d) see c) plus also snipers
Guns are hardly enough to defend your family in a society like Russia, where you have no idea where everything from the USSR's AK47's to their nukes and bio weapons, are being illegally stockpiled.
So what if a few people's lives are ruined by unemployment and then offshore identity theft? They are small, forgettable sacrifices to be made in the name of making our illustrious CEOs richer and growing the economy for the rich and powerful.
You working class stiffs should have gambl^H^H^H^H^Hbecome investors by now.
Signed, your friendly neighborhood Gawd fearing cheap labor neo con
No one ever learns the skills to physically fix a computer without doing the "why can't I login?": answer "all-caps is on" grunt work first.
Soon, it'll be to a point where when they need boots on the ground in America, no one will have the job experience needed to be the boots on the ground.
But one thing you may not know is that in Europe - Poland, I believe - cigarette manufacturers were encouraged by the Government to drag down people's health to soften the blow of a retiree explosion crisis: by killing them off.
If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?
Monitoring Europeans is part of our war against terrorism. When the terrorists are defeated our monitoring of you will be credited as a tool for preserving the coming peace.
Your desire for freedom from surveillance inevitably means slavery under Islam.
The treasonous media that exposes these acts by the Government must be punished. America's national security depends on your ignorance of the anti terrorism activities our leaders are carring out to preserve America's strength as a free nation.
Your desire for freedom is a dire threat to our national security and that, sir, makes you an unlawful combatant. Your post has been forwarded to the DHS, FBI, NSA, CIA, and FOX.
Hell, I've got mucho karma, so I can afford to tell it like it is.:)
The whole reason people have to save up so much money is exactly because of what cubicledrone said.
And to the idiot who said all cubicledrone wants is a Government guaranteed job, that's horse shit. I'm a Reagan Republican, I believe a man should work not live on welfare. You Johnny come lately laissez-faire rabid dogs that call yourselves Republicans today, want to snatch every job known to man away from the hard working AMERICANS who made this world great and whose fathers fought and died to keep the free market alive in the face of the Communist threat.
The evil empire after WW-II was communism. Now the evil empire is rampant corporatism that has fraudulently masked itself as 'capitalism'. It's nothing more than robber baronism and the world owes me profits but I don't owe anyone anything-ism.
I'm sick and tired of you irresponsible "greed is good, social responsibility is communism" anti social hermits living nice and safe and comfortable in your mommy's basement posting these bogus Slashdot armchair cowboy stories about how you save 2/3 of your income to prepare for layoffs. That's hog wash and most of us readers know it.
What some readers do not know is if most of us saved the way the author of this story saves, there is an economic consequence to this that is very well demonstrated in economics and is a mathematical certainty. Saving a huge portion of your money means, typically, you're putting it in a bank. That means you're not buying anything. That means businesses are making less money because of lower sales. Your bank is investing that money overseas, no longer investing in the US, but even if they were investing in a US company, you aren't buying anything from that company so their sales are going down. When millions of Americans are saving for a rainy day, that means the company inevitably feels the loss in sales tangibly, and that means they will start closing stores and laying off. That is a mathematical certainty in economics. Again, what bank is going to take your savings and invest in them when their market is shrinking and consumers are saving and not buying?
Such large numbers of people saving for a rainy day will create a mathematically certain problem - businesses will close due to depressed consumer spending. (Consumer spending is over 60% of the economy's vitality, folks.)
This is not exactly like people stuffing money into their mattresses in the Great Depression, but the effect will still be the same: consumers save like mad, businesses close due to the inevitable collapse in spending, more jobs are lost, more people stop spending, and a death spiral occurs. A depression is then very hard to avoid.
What America needs is a lot of increased savings, but what we REALLY need the most is to grow our way out of this mess. We need more jobs, and higher paying jobs, and more stable job security for people with children to look after. No, you free market drones living in your mommy's basement, chasing the moving cheese is NOT good for a person with a family. It results in kids having to move away from their friends, and a gypsy lifestyle that no street grunt or child psychologist alike will ever say is a good thing. You may think job security is evil but that just tells me you do not have children whose constantly changing needs forces you to need a job that is always there so you can concentrate on being a good parent and not have to go to your do-it-yourself 'extreme skills upgrade 101' class every night. Ever wonder why all those punk assed rich kids out there are doing drugs and getting themselves into trouble (often at the expense of others)? It's because of their absent parents that are living the dream world you anti job stability people envision: working constantly and paying more attention to their job competitiveness than to their kids. Go ahead and argue with me about it - I just hope you don't run into one of these people's neglected brats and learn the hard way what I'm telling you now.
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And they respect the privacy of your information, too.
It's not so much me wanting to get a rise out of you as I would sign up to go to war if necessary, to stop people like you from turning this great nation into a giant company town sweatshop hell hole. I don't believe in war but I would if we ever had a Libertarian president. In a New York minute.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=249
Fortunately, the vast majority of many generations of Americans don't buy your insane kook kook kookoo interpretation of the US Constitution.
There's a cabin somewhere in the mountains. It's waiting for you. There's no place in this evil gawdless communist hellhole called America for gawd fearing profits-over-people corporate uberdroids like you.
America is and always will be a partially socialist system, and you know what? The Constitution doesn't say we can't be like that.
Your country was founded on the ideal that only rich men with land should vote. And slavery. But we changed that. Get over it.
Move to a desert island. Move to some laissez-faire paradise in Africa or something.
If you don't like America's partial socialist system, by all means, MOVE!
Identity theft is easier to do in India where the entire staff can be paid off for the price of one worker in America.
When those East Indians steal your SSN, you won't be able to get the FBI to prosecute foreigners.
Outsourcing also reduces the number of jobs in America and there's nothing to stop a ton of us from boycotting Bank of America, which I for one am now doing - I'm pulling my BofA account TODAY.
If you want unrestricted capitalism, move to Somalia.
now women are starting to get bit.
That's the fastest way to get Congress to act on something: show that it affects women as well as men.
You already lost this debate because there is nothing to the universe beyond supply and demand. If it doesn't fit within that narrow equation, it's simply not valid. :)
Carry a client's server on a bike? Or a frag box? It only takes one near-miss incident or a nasty spill to unlearn him of that fantasy.
:)
Oh yeah, these dudes never encounter that.
This is where you are completely out of your mind. Hiring is not just economics. That's the problem with you greed-is-god people; you don't see the moral side to it, therefore it doesn't exist in your mind.
Corporations' lack of morality inflicts a major cost on society - some corporations create depressed opportunities for women and minorities, others gain profit from selling personal information to foreigners who come back and use it to steal your identity. Both are cases of immoral behavior which is profitable to corporations and highly damaging to society.
Corporations' refusal to consider the morality of their behavior is part of why they are so hated now. Corporations forget that the economy is about people first and money second.
"Is it moral to make the US economy bigger and make everybody in the country better off(on average anyway)? That's what moving jobs overseas does."
No, that is not what it does. It has contributed to a SHRINKING middle class, and a situation where fewer people are considering things like science education, because they know that's the first thing to go overseas. We have a ballooning national and consumer debt, to boot.
The facts soundly refute you.
Renting a car adds about $20/$30 a DAY (for a crappy car) rental fee in addition to whatever you pay for fuel fees to gas it up.
Also, in America, we hate being forced to be around each other when we commute. Traveling together communally puts us even closer to the riff raff we're trying so hard to avoid (not that the roads are perfectly safe, what with road rage and all).
Also, if people take bikes to work then they are going to be biking 50 miles. Try that some time. Especially if you have to do a grocery run. They don't deliver groceries in many places in the US. Have fun! The more likely scenario is people will move closer to work, and guess what? Rents in apartments near workplaces will skyrocket in price. Then you'll get laid off, your job outsourced to India, and you'll have to pack up and move. Oh wait, you can't - you don't have a car! Oops!
Oh and as for the crime rate on trains... women get groped a lot in public transportation... especially in Japan. ANOTHER reason to drive to work; at least then the groper has to pry his way into your car to get under your panties (if you're a woman).
Also, in America, women don't date men who don't have cars. I can't possibly exaggerate that. If we switched to buses, bikes and trains, women would hate us even more than they already do.
Or your toolbox, groceries, etc?
My boss would NOT spring for a company car.
Consider your idea nixed in the bud. If you work... you need a car.
By charging $400 they'd be taking a much bigger loss per sale.
Let us rephrase that. This time, without opinions, and with facts.
An unregulated system results in monopoly. That is a historal fact.
I'm all for gun ownership, but what happens when they
a) poison your food
b) launch a RPG from long distance (see: Mogadishu)
c) line everything beyond your property with grenades
d) see c) plus also snipers
Guns are hardly enough to defend your family in a society like Russia, where you have no idea where everything from the USSR's AK47's to their nukes and bio weapons, are being illegally stockpiled.
That's what laissez-faire looks like in reality.
So what if a few people's lives are ruined by unemployment and then offshore identity theft? They are small, forgettable sacrifices to be made in the name of making our illustrious CEOs richer and growing the economy for the rich and powerful.
You working class stiffs should have gambl^H^H^H^H^Hbecome investors by now.
Signed,
your friendly neighborhood Gawd fearing cheap labor neo con
[end right wing parody]
Perhaps it's time to DDoS those offshore links now and then and show them just how dangerous it is to offshore? :)
Sign me up if it goes down. Today's cyber hacker, in that sense, could be tomorrow's patriot, in the history books.
[cue the "employ the world, screw American workers and their privacy" posters posing as "anti nationalist" crusaders]
No one ever learns the skills to physically fix a computer without doing the "why can't I login?": answer "all-caps is on" grunt work first.
Soon, it'll be to a point where when they need boots on the ground in America, no one will have the job experience needed to be the boots on the ground.
Well said.
But one thing you may not know is that in Europe - Poland, I believe - cigarette manufacturers were encouraged by the Government to drag down people's health to soften the blow of a retiree explosion crisis: by killing them off.
By God I wish I had that news article.
If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?
Monitoring Europeans is part of our war against terrorism. When the terrorists are defeated our monitoring of you will be credited as a tool for preserving the coming peace.
Your desire for freedom from surveillance inevitably means slavery under Islam.
The treasonous media that exposes these acts by the Government must be punished. America's national security depends on your ignorance of the anti terrorism activities our leaders are carring out to preserve America's strength as a free nation.
Your desire for freedom is a dire threat to our national security and that, sir, makes you an unlawful combatant. Your post has been forwarded to the DHS, FBI, NSA, CIA, and FOX.
Who gave the Libertarians all the MOD points?
:)
Hell, I've got mucho karma, so I can afford to tell it like it is.
The whole reason people have to save up so much money is exactly because of what cubicledrone said.
And to the idiot who said all cubicledrone wants is a Government guaranteed job, that's horse shit. I'm a Reagan Republican, I believe a man should work not live on welfare. You Johnny come lately laissez-faire rabid dogs that call yourselves Republicans today, want to snatch every job known to man away from the hard working AMERICANS who made this world great and whose fathers fought and died to keep the free market alive in the face of the Communist threat.
The evil empire after WW-II was communism. Now the evil empire is rampant corporatism that has fraudulently masked itself as 'capitalism'. It's nothing more than robber baronism and the world owes me profits but I don't owe anyone anything-ism.
I'm sick and tired of you irresponsible "greed is good, social responsibility is communism" anti social hermits living nice and safe and comfortable in your mommy's basement posting these bogus Slashdot armchair cowboy stories about how you save 2/3 of your income to prepare for layoffs. That's hog wash and most of us readers know it.
What some readers do not know is if most of us saved the way the author of this story saves, there is an economic consequence to this that is very well demonstrated in economics and is a mathematical certainty. Saving a huge portion of your money means, typically, you're putting it in a bank. That means you're not buying anything. That means businesses are making less money because of lower sales. Your bank is investing that money overseas, no longer investing in the US, but even if they were investing in a US company, you aren't buying anything from that company so their sales are going down. When millions of Americans are saving for a rainy day, that means the company inevitably feels the loss in sales tangibly, and that means they will start closing stores and laying off. That is a mathematical certainty in economics. Again, what bank is going to take your savings and invest in them when their market is shrinking and consumers are saving and not buying?
Such large numbers of people saving for a rainy day will create a mathematically certain problem - businesses will close due to depressed consumer spending. (Consumer spending is over 60% of the economy's vitality, folks.)
This is not exactly like people stuffing money into their mattresses in the Great Depression, but the effect will still be the same: consumers save like mad, businesses close due to the inevitable collapse in spending, more jobs are lost, more people stop spending, and a death spiral occurs. A depression is then very hard to avoid.
What America needs is a lot of increased savings, but what we REALLY need the most is to grow our way out of this mess. We need more jobs, and higher paying jobs, and more stable job security for people with children to look after. No, you free market drones living in your mommy's basement, chasing the moving cheese is NOT good for a person with a family. It results in kids having to move away from their friends, and a gypsy lifestyle that no street grunt or child psychologist alike will ever say is a good thing. You may think job security is evil but that just tells me you do not have children whose constantly changing needs forces you to need a job that is always there so you can concentrate on being a good parent and not have to go to your do-it-yourself 'extreme skills upgrade 101' class every night. Ever wonder why all those punk assed rich kids out there are doing drugs and getting themselves into trouble (often at the expense of others)? It's because of their absent parents that are living the dream world you anti job stability people envision: working constantly and paying more attention to their job competitiveness than to their kids. Go ahead and argue with me about it - I just hope you don't run into one of these people's neglected brats and learn the hard way what I'm telling you now.