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The World's Top Cybercriminals

bart_scriv writes "BusinessWeek profiles four individuals identified by law enforcement as the world's foremost online criminals. They're accused of crimes ranging from re-shipping rings to credit card theft and email fraud -- '...all are Russian. Strong technical universities, comparatively low incomes, and an unstable legal system make the former Soviet Union an ideal breeding ground for cyberscams. Also, tense political relations sometimes complicate efforts to obtain cooperation with local law enforcement.'"

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  1. Russian Local Law Enforcement? by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Also, tense political relations sometimes complicate efforts to obtain cooperation with local law enforcement.
    I've heard that in many places of the former Soviet Union, the "local law enforcement" only enforces laws when it suits their financial needs. I've talked to people from places like Lithuania and Russia and one of the many reasons they left was because justice has a price on the streets.

    If you're caught doing something illegal, it's almost guaranteed there is some price you can pay the police to be let go.

    In my opinion, this hurts local small businesses immensely. I believe that it makes them more difficult to succeed and lays the groundwork for an instable/weak capitalistic system. There's even a problem with local law enforcement and bribes in many other countries. Honestly, if there was one thing I think that would help countries get back on track, it would be better law enforcement especially on the local level. How can people be expected to work and thrive in a system when the letter of the law is uncertain? How can you expect them to run a business and distribute goods/services if a thief can pay off police when he burglarizes the store?
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    1. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've heard that in many places of the former Soviet Union, the "local law enforcement" only enforces laws when it suits their financial needs.

      I've heard the same about many places in the United States.

    2. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Sounds like some libertarians' idea of a wet dream. Who needs government to enforce the law when you just pay some thugs to enforce it for you. Justice goes to the highest bidder! Capitalism at its best!

    3. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by base3 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Volusia County in Florida comes immediately to mind.

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    4. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so where's your list of cybercriminals to back up your claim of lax law enforcement?

      Right. Thought so.

    5. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Pope · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "In my opinion, this hurts local small businesses immensely."

      More to the point, it hurts the CITIZENS immensely.

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    6. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      That's not libertarianism, that's anarchy. There *is* a difference between the two.

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    7. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by regen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In some countries, the military and police are not fully funded by the government. The government requires them to develop a means to fund themselves. This results in the military and police running protection rackets. At least if both the police and military are doing this the provide competition to each other, but it is still pretty f*cked up.

    8. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      I've heard that in many places of the former Soviet Union, the "local law enforcement" only enforces laws when it suits their financial needs. I've talked to people from places like Lithuania and Russia and one of the many reasons they left was because justice has a price on the streets.

      While I'm sure this was true of Lithuania, I can assure you that they would not have been accepted into the EU if it was still true. I'm not saying that there aren't crooked cops anywhere in Lithuania, but EU membership is conditional on cracking down on this kind of corruption and driving it down to levels where it's not noticeable. That's one of the specific things that may delay Bulgaria's membership in the EU - they haven't done enough to crack down on corruption.

    9. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and not surprisingly, look at where a lot of US spam originates: Florida and Las Vegas.

    10. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Intron · · Score: 1
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    11. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're absolutely right, and (not to toot the horn) this was directly recognized by the founders of the US. The term is 'the rule of law' and it is a predicate for a successful capitalist system.

      The problem, though, is not law enforcement -- the problem is cultural. Flaunting the law is ingrained into many cultures*, and this causes the US-style capitalist economy to break, since, as you point out, there is not a level playing field.

      *Very common in some of the poorer former Soviet states, where breaking the law was osmetimes necessary for survival. It just becomes habit to ignore the law, when the law makes no sense to the individual.

      To put it another way, it's hard for people to respect government and the rule of law when for most of their lives, both have not served them well.

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    12. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by LordOfTheNoobs · · Score: 1

      Seriously, they're spelled very differently. :p

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    13. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and how is that link relevant to the discussion of russian local law enforcement considering the vast majority of those entries are from the united states and none of the "crimes" are local?

    14. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by radtea · · Score: 1

      In some countries, the military and police are not fully funded by the government. The government requires them to develop a means to fund themselves

      I believe you'll find this is still common in the U.S., where in some states people suspected (not convicted or in some cases even charged) of drug-related crimes can have their property seized and sold at auction, with most of the proceeds going to the law-enforcement organization responsbile for the seizure.

      Here's a somewhat dated story about this kind of thing (from late 2001).

      More recently, this website says, "Our large Drug Seizure Auction Program has auctioned off more than 75,000 vehicles in the State of Texas. Our Seizure Auctions consist of automobiles, trucks, semi-tractors, boats, motorcycles, and surplus items (jewelry, VCRS, televisions, air conditioners, lawn mowers, and many more)."

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    15. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by IdleTime · · Score: 1

      Ahhh yes.... The former communist countries now have a libertarian dream of a police force, pay-as-you-go! A dream for all tax hating americans!

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    16. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Flaunting the law is ingrained into many cultures..."

      Perhaps so, but the phrase you want is "flauting the law".

      And no, it has nothing to do with flute playing. :-)

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    17. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in many places of the former Soviet Union ...

      How about, in most places in the U.S., the right political connections (which can be bought) will fix everything from parking tickets to drunk driving to anti-trust to fraud and murder.

      What about the U.S. police departments where theft, murder for hire, and all the rest have been discovered.

      Allow me to jog your memory: Kennedy, Haliburton, Microsoft, big tobacco ...

    18. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try flouting.

      See http://onelook.com/?w=flout

    19. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Thank goodness things are better in the USA... where a corporate felon can be charged, brought to trial, found guilty, and then let off with no effective punishment at all. Between judgement and sentencing, there just happened to be a presidential election which was won by a candidate whom the corporate felon had supported with financial contributions. Surprisingly enough, the new prosecutors took a much more lenient view of the culprit's offences.

      In the USA, the rule of law always prevails. (Unless you're an "enemy alien", a foreigner, an important US corporation, a sports celebrity, or a political contributor).

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    20. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Heh. Believe me - this is normal and happens everywhere. The only difference that may be introduced is the level on which the bribing happens and how it is called.

      Let's compare typical ex-ussr country and USA:
      Ex-USSR country:
      You rape an underage girl, you get caught, you are arrested. Your friends make a call to lead investigator in the case, offers a precise amount, you get released due to lack of crime in your case. The girl has to repeatedly repeat her statements until he gets so confused and nervous that she introduces inconsistencies in her story. Case dropped.

      USA:
      You rape an underage girl, you get caught, you are arrested. Your grandpa makes a call to local senator, he makes a call to police dep'ts head, he drops the case due to lack of crime.

      And amounts of money transferred are different. But if adjusted against average wage they are similar.

    21. Re:Russian Local Law Enforcement? by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Try flouting.

      See http://onelook.com/?w=flout"

      Apparently only some parts of ny brain work at any given time. I even googled "flaut flaunt" and found references to "flaut" as scoffing at or disdaining, thus re-inforcing my temporary mental abberation.

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  2. Block them at the firewall. by Trigun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you needed a reason, there's a big one. Why deal with them if you don't have to?

    1. Re:Block them at the firewall. by funk49 · · Score: 1

      Yes, what a fantastic idea...because there aren't MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of friggin' zombies out there running proxies that they could connect from. I definitely think you missed your calling as a Security Admin.

  3. ...all are Russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Nope, we also have NSA. Spying on _you_ today!

    1. Re:...all are Russian by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
      > Nope, we also have NSA. Spying on _you_ today!

      So, umm.... in Soviet Russia, you spy on NSA?

    2. Re:...all are Russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not all Russian. I believe Emperor Pirk is a Finn.

    3. Re:...all are Russian by uab21 · · Score: 1

      ummmm.... Soviet Russia *did* spy on the NSA

    4. Re:...all are Russian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not all Russian. I believe Emperor Pirk is a Finn.

      And how do you expect an American to tell the difference?

  4. Politics by kanzels · · Score: 1

    Everything there is connected to politics, look at Chodorkovskij for example...

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  5. hacker icons a Good Thing by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 3, Interesting

    With their notoriety, hackers like these have created an entire industry that races to make computers more secure. Given that you'll always have a constant number of script kiddies that don't make the news, the result is more secure computers and more people with jobs in this antivirus market.

    1. Re:hacker icons a Good Thing by misleb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that is just what the world needs, a digital version of the military-industrial complex. How depressing.

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    2. Re:hacker icons a Good Thing by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, wasn't the internet (as well as numerous other advances in digital technology) spawned by the military-industrial complex?

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    3. Re:hacker icons a Good Thing by nasor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is an example of what economists refer to as the "broken window fallacy."

      The fallacy goes something like this: "On the whole, it's a good thing for people to go around randomly breaking windows. It creates jobs for the window installers and people who work in glass factories, and even helps to create new markets for shatter-proof windows!"

      Although at first glance this appears to help the economy, it's an illusion; all the money that goes toward replacing the broken window is wasted money that could have been spent on actually improving economic infrastructure, rather than simply maintaining it. Perhaps new and improved shatter-resistant windows will be developed, but if there was enough demand to justify their development then it would have happened anyway.

      Similarly, every dollar that people have to spend on things like antivirus software is a dollar that they weren't able to spend on improving their products, or hiring more employees of their own, or offering people cheaper prices. All this only benefits you if you are carefully placed within the market to take advantage of it. So yes, computer crime is good for you if you happen to work for a security company, but on the whole it's bad for society and the economy.

  6. great idea by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1, Insightful

    would you like me to show you how incredibly easy it is to set up a webserver in pretty much any country on the planet?

    a webserver that could then be used for phishing scams and stuff. it could easily report all the data back to me in my home country.

    you're going to have to think a little harder about the problem.

    1. Re:great idea by Trigun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not harder, bigger.

      How can you set up a webserver in Malaysia if Malaysia is blocking your IP. My router won't do much to stop them, but mine, and yours, and theirs will. Shitcan all of Russia. Everywhere. Think of it as Digital Sanctions. Until the government shapes up, no data in, no data out.

    2. Re:great idea by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Economic sanctions (and cutting off Internet traffic is definitely an economic sanction) tend to entrench bad governments, not overthrow them. In this way, they tend to have the opposite effect of that which is intended. Rather than inciting the populace to rise up against the government, both the populace and the government begin to blame the sanctions for everything wrong with the country. See: Cuba.

      Russia has a lot of big problems, a lot of which can be traced back to its being basically an impoverished totalitarian nation for virtually all of its history, followed by a sudden transition into a new form of government (and economy) that they were not prepared for and had no history with. As a result, they are having issues basically with capitalism run amok without the benefit of effective controls.

      The solution to this problem is more education among consumers here in the US (people who know how these scams work are less likely to fall for them) coupled with reforms in Russia that will make police less susceptible to bribery (higher wages and more training), and make criminals more likely to be caught and punished (technical training for police and harsh penalties for lawbreakers).

    3. Re:great idea by MarkByers · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be ridiculous. You can't block an entire country just because of one individual. This could happen anywhere. Look at the amount of spam originating from America. The problem is more difficult to solve than just saying the government should fix it.

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    4. Re:great idea by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      You'd have to cut off international telephone lines too, of course, to stop them dialing out with modems.

      For that matter, stop postal deliveries, in case they mail CD-ROMS. Oh wait, people could swallow USB sticks... better close the border. And build a wall.

      Oh, but then... nevermind, let's just nuke em. I mean, we spent a lot of money on those ICBMs.

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    5. Re:great idea by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

      well if Malaysia is blocking my IP, I'd just get a new IP. Proxy-ing all around the world is incredibly easy. and if the entire world is blocking the entire world then it wouldn't be much of an internet anyways. in that case i'd probably just go out and rob people instead of doing phishing scams. if I were the criminal sort.

    6. Re:great idea by zymano · · Score: 1

      Yes you can if the country doesn't care.

      We should firewall all countries that allow crimes.

    7. Re:great idea by Tiguidou+pack-sack · · Score: 1

      When I was running servers at the University of British Columbia (Vancouver) a few years back the whole university got blocked by Japan and a large chunk of Asia because of spam being remailed through our servers.

      Let me tell you, the s*** hit the fan so fast that the servers were all properly locked down within a few hours. In the mean time after a lot of grovelling and apologizing to the appropriate overlords we got allowed again.

      Just look at how people start to get all pale, sweaty, and cranky when their email is down. Email is the heroin of the masses...

    8. Re:great idea by Null537 · · Score: 1

      We should firewall all countries that allow crimes.

      I really hope this is sarcasm. The problem is that what is considered a criminal act is different in every country. The US is by no means high and mighty in this sense, because we tend to let a lot of criminal acts go as well, though most of them are by our government.

  7. Similar to Russian nuke scientists by eviloverlordx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This issue is similar to the (existing) problem with Russian nuclear scientists taking their know-how with them to rogue states and terror groups. We need to get Russia to fix its economy, so that Russian programmers can get enough money legally. I think it's in everyone's interest to have them programing games, for example, than cracking systems and writing viruses.

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    1. Re:Similar to Russian nuke scientists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to get Russia to fix its economy, so that Russian programmers can get enough money legally. ...or more effective, we should try to ruin their education system!

    2. Re:Similar to Russian nuke scientists by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 1

      While fixing the russian economy is certainly a good thing, don't fool yourself in thinking that the only reason people break the law is because of high unemployment rates.

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  8. The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by 0olong · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By definition, the world's top cybercriminals will never be identified.

    1. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Salty+Moran · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make any sense. By what definition does the best criminal have to remain unidentified?

      It's also completely illogical. In that scenario, if all cybercriminals were identified, there would be no "best" of the group, which is clearly not correct. Even if you're not very good, you could still be the "best". Being identified, then, certainly isn't sufficient to preclude from the "honor".

    2. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Rydia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really. Cybercrime and high-profile crime in areas with bad law enforcement are rarely that hidden. In Chicago, for instance, the police department up until recently actually posted organizational charts of the outfit so everyone in the department knew who they were.

      The mafia and cybercriminals are very similar in that regard- you don't need to be hidden in a bunker somewhere, just be very good at separating yourself (be it through proxies, wardriven connections, a hired gang or expendable street thugs) from the instrumentalities of your crimes. "Everyone knows they did it" is nice, but it's not evidence.

    3. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by KingMotley · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would say by the definition that the "best" are the ones that are able to commit their crimes, cover their tracks (either through not allowing anyone to track their activities back to them, or better, to not even allow those who have been attacked be aware of the crime at all). Those who have been identified, aren't that good. They got caught. Being able to commit a crime is easy. Being able to commit it, and get away with it isn't (I don't consider being hunted by the FBI "getting away with it").

    4. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by kfg · · Score: 1

      By what definition does the best criminal have to remain unidentified?

      By the definition that claims the best criminal is the one who remains unsuspected of crime.

      Even if you're not very good, you could still be the "best".

      Ah, well, now we're getting into the realm of the Platonic Ideal vs. the Pragmatic Shadow. However, the existence of the Pragmatic Shadow does not necessarily invalidate the definition of the Platonic Ideal.

      KFG

    5. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      For example, even though the plot was foiled, I haven't seen any published identification of the crooks behind the nine figure bank heist

    6. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by 0olong · · Score: 1

      The mafia and cybercriminals are very similar in that regard- you don't need to be hidden in a bunker somewhere, just be very good at separating yourself (be it through proxies, wardriven connections, a hired gang or expendable street thugs) from the instrumentalities of your crimes. "Everyone knows they did it" is nice, but it's not evidence.

      The mafia as a collective might derive some benefits from gained notoriety, but for a solo cybercriminal being identified is rather undesirable. Although identification does indeed not necessarily provide proof of your crime(s), it does in pretty much any circumstance limit some of your freedoms. Having the extra attention of law enforcement agencies requires you to be extra careful of how (much) you express yourself and limits your freedom of movement. Surely "top cybercriminals" who value a carefree lifestyle will try to avoid such a scenario.

    7. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So long as they keep the mask and costume on, what's wrong with enjoying a little notoriety?

    8. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I guess that makes a 16 year old kid viewing porn on the internet a better cyber criminal than Kevin Mitnick.

    9. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by kfg · · Score: 1

      I guess that makes a 16 year old kid viewing porn on the internet a better cyber criminal than Kevin Mitnick.

      No, because this is not criminal behavior.

      The porn site owner is the criminal better than Kevin Mitnick, who was so bad he was not only suspected of crime, he did time for it.

      KFG

    10. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because this is not criminal behavior.

      You sir, are incorrect. It is criminal. The porn site owner is only as guilty as Anheuser-Busch is when a 16 year old drinks a beer.

    11. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by kfg · · Score: 1

      The porn site owner is only as guilty as Anheuser-Busch is when a 16 year old drinks a beer.

      It is not necessarily criminal for a 16 year old to drink a beer. It is, however, criminal for Anheuser-Busch to supply him with that beer from the Clydsdale pulled wagon.

      They do not card at bars because the 16 year old will be arrested. The bar owner doesn't give a shit about what happens to the 16 year old. The bar owner cards because he will be arrested if a 16 year old is found drinking in his establishment.

      KFG

    12. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do not card at bars because the 16 year old will be arrested. The bar owner doesn't give a shit about what happens to the 16 year old. The bar owner cards because he will be arrested if a 16 year old is found drinking in his establishment.

      Once again, you sir, are incorrect - this time on the fate of the 16 year old. While true that a bar owner will be in trouble for knowingly supplying a minor (which is NOT what I was talking about with the porn example, the kid has intentionally clicked certifying he is 18) I can personally vouch for the fact that the 16 year old will get arrested if caught consuming an alcoholic beverage.

    13. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by kfg · · Score: 1

      Go read the code. It is a black letter crime of fact. Being supplied with a false ID does not supply one with an affirmative defense.

      A porn site owner/brewery is guilty of distributing to a minor. . . if they distribute to a minor. It doesn't matter a damn what the minor clicks/provides. Any distributor who believes otherwise may well be in for a rude awakening.

      And I can personlly vouch for the fact that above 16 year old (yourself I take it? What legal jurisdiction were you in and what was the actual charge?) may well have been falsely arrested. Just because you are arrested (or even convicted) is not actual evidence of having broken the law, unless you're posting from Myanmar or something.

      It may well be perfectly legal for a 16 year old to drink (in my state, for instance) if the alcohol was legally distributed to him, and it is possible to so legally distribute.

      Laws against possession/distribution/open container/public drunkeness are not laws against viewing/drinking, although the intent of such laws may well be to make such legally difficult.

      KFG

    14. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by Salty+Moran · · Score: 1

      First of all, the AC's point still stands, you just have to flip it. A guy running a commercial porn site, under your rules, is a better cybercriminal than Kevin Mitnick.

      Regardless, it IS illegal in many jurisdictions for people under a certain age to view pornographic material.

      Just because it isn't a federal law doesn't mean it isn't illegal.

      "Best" is subjective. Under no meaningful definition of the phrase "best cybercriminal" is being caught worthy of any significant consideration. As another example, if you went down that road, an 11 year old who runs Quickfrye or AOHELL without being caught is "better" at cybercrime than Mitnick was.

    15. Re:The World's Not So Top Cybercriminals? by kfg · · Score: 1

      . . .a better cybercriminal than Kevin Mitnick.

      Kevin Mitnick is a notorious cybercriminal, not a good one. In point of fact his notoriety is proportional to his failings, not his successes.

      "Best" is subjective.

      Dude, that was my one and only point.

      KFG

  9. Just for the confused... by pla · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who (like me) had no idea why "re-shipping" would break the law (except possibly as some cheesy customs violation), particularly to the extent that someone would count as a member of the top-four international cybercriminals...

    The actual crime lies somewhere between (inclusive) credit card fraud and identity theft. The "shipping" part of that just helps launder the profits.

    Just an FYI.

    1. Re:Just for the confused... by timsb · · Score: 2

      The charge would probably be receiving stolen goods.

  10. Putin and spam by joe+155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    we're never going to convince Putin that what he really wants to do is crack down on people who are bringing a lot of money into the economy and who pose no threat at all to him. Trying to fight this through any kind of court just won't work for this reason. The only way we can really hope to stop this kind of thing is to do more lessons in schools about how pretty much every e-mail which isn't from someone you know is a scam. I don't really know what your education was like in IT in American schools but I know that for the first 3 years of secondary school (UK) I had a teacher who couldn't adequately use windows explorer to find files - we always got told to open the "package" (sic) and then go file -> open... not once did they even mention security. In my last 2 years it changed round a bit and there was some information (although a frighteningly inadequate amount) about security best practices and what have you.
    If we want to keep people from getting spam scammed then education is the best way

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    1. Re:Putin and spam by irablum · · Score: 1

      You want scary? How about this. I meet you in a bar, find out your name and some other personal info, such as where you work or where you went to school. Then I go home, and google that name and find out your address. Then I call your former university posing as your current employer and convince them to give me your social security number. Now armed with your Name, address, and social security number I apply for credit cards in your name, use your identity to get a car loan, etc. As long as no act involves stealing more than $9,000 the US Secret service will not even pursue me. But your credit will be ruined forever, costing you government clearences, thousands on mortages and even be denied favorable bank accounts. All from meeting a dude in a bar. or a chick.

      Ira

  11. Cybercriminal? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is that anything like a cyberathlete?

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    1. Re:Cybercriminal? by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      Is that anything like a cyberathlete?

      Only if you cut-and-paste other people's code to get faster development cycle times.

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    2. Re:Cybercriminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I'm sure there's a fat, greasy dipshit in some basement somewhere who will try to tell you that his MASSIVE SKILLZ at some idiotic video game makes him a cyberathlete, but that's no better than me claiming that I'd make a killer city planner because my SimCity scores are pretty high. In other words, no.

  12. They've been noticed by greg_barton · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Just the fact that we know their names means that, by definition, they're NOT the "World's Top Cybercriminals."

    The best would remain unknown.

    1. Re:They've been noticed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, you're not a criminal untill you get caught ;)

    2. Re:They've been noticed by TheOtherChimeraTwin · · Score: 1

      So what are you called before you are caught? A politician??

      My captcha was "manure", I'll try to not take that personally!

  13. cat and mouse? by hackstraw · · Score: 3, Interesting


    One thing I don't get about stories like this is why is it so difficult to go and pick up known "bad guys"?

    You can look an Wikipedia and get a list of the big drug lords, read articles like this, or go to SpamHaus and see the list of the big fraud/spammers, but they keep doing what they do for a long time.

    Is it because these people are so wealthy that its hard to get them? Is it because governments and law enforcement places are corrupt and get bought off or are part of the action as well?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    1. Re:cat and mouse? by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      It's because we keep calling Russia a backasswords communist shithole. Suprisingly enough, Putin and company aren't all that willing to help us out when it comes to criminal matters. It's the exact same reason we wouldn't be too likely to let the KGB come into the US to extradite someone they were seeking. Why would they waste their time or money to help us? And they definitely aren't letting US soldiers on their soil...

    2. Re:cat and mouse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because "everyone knows" they are "bad guys", does not mean the government has the right to throw them in jail. To put it another way, you don't want to live in the kind of country where the top dogs can decide to throw you away based on 'common knowledge'.

      And of course, in countries with no rule of law, it is often the case that the "bad guys" and the government are in bed with each other.

    3. Re:cat and mouse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'bad guys' get to use any methods they can think of to thier advantage. The 'good guys' are handicapped by the vary laws they are defending. You could argue that sometimes judgement should be used and the 'good guys' should go around the rules and just be done with it, however that leads down the road to more corruption. More prominent than corruption, however, is the chance that innocent people get punished for crimes they didn't commit. Enough of either and you end up with a very unhappy population.

    4. Re:cat and mouse? by dr2chase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's a crime, depends on where you are. Alcohol was illegal once in this country, and tobacco's plenty addictive (and cold-turkey from caffeine is no fun either). Suppose that Spain passed a law against anti-personnel land mines; you got any problem with extraditing the CEOs of US companies that produce these abominations to Spain for trial?

    5. Re:cat and mouse? by Rydia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Evidence, evidence, evidence. Organized crime is brilliant at insulating those at the top from the orders they give those at the bottom. Even in countries where what they're doing is illegal (often not the case with spammers) you still need to tie that person to something through evidence.

      RICO is nice in that you can nab higher-ups if you can get two predicate acts on an underling, but a) they tend to shelve said underling after he's busted, because they have lawyers too, and b) most of these acts are against people they've intimidated, cowed, blackmailed, or are criminals themselves, which means we get a missing person and not a murder rap.

      You're vastly underestimating how difficult it is to get these guys, essentially you run detectives around looking into what they did, looking for the small screwup that lets them open an investigation and start searching places. It's long and it's tough. Like I said before, "everyone knows he's doing it" isn't evidence.

    6. Re:cat and mouse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What's a crime, depends on where you are. Alcohol was illegal once in this country, and tobacco's plenty addictive (and cold-turkey from caffeine is no fun either). Suppose that Spain passed a law against anti-personnel land mines; you got any problem with extraditing the CEOs of US companies that produce these abominations to Spain for trial?


      It depends. How many Spanish civilians have been killed by said land mines? None? Then STFU.

      Russia can legalize cybercrime (or ignore it) for all I care, but when it has an effect on people in the US it is time for my government to deal with it. Either Russia can play ball and make their kids stop, or we can hire ex-KGB (now FSB) agents for a pretty penny behind the scenes to eliminate them. After all, everything is for sale in Russia, right?

      Oh yeah, and dipshits who are against land mines have obviously never been to the Korean DMZ in uniform.
    7. Re:cat and mouse? by dr2chase · · Score: 1
      I think you're a little confused. First, I was speaking hypothetically. Second, unless you are Spanish, your opinions about the preconditions for Spain enacting a law are irrelevant. I am simply attempting to illustrate, with a plausible example, that another country might pass laws that would make criminals of some Americans. If our response to spammers, drug lords, whatever, is "go get 'em", shouldn't that be the rule for other countries dealing with Americans that are violating their laws? I gather you are not so enthusiastic about this change of viewpoint.

      From the point of view of prosecuting spammers, Russia might object to us sending hit squads to knock off their citizens, especially seeing as how we have other alternatives. We could do a better job of isolating zombies; we could do a better job of isolating defective DNS servers (the modern equivalent of the old open relay); we could do a better job of filtering spam -- for example, we could combine whitelists, verified (signed) senders, certified mail servers, and hashcash. The other reason that we should care about getting our own house in order is that if we depend on the good will of the Russians (or Chinese, or North Koreans) to leave our increasingly valuable internet infrastructure alone, what happens if they change their mind? SoftWar, here we come.

  14. All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Except for the Ukrainian, Golubov. Ukraine is not Russia.
    It's Ukraine.
    Kuvayev, a 34-year-old native of Russia who uses the nickname BadCow, is one of the world's top three spammers, according to anti-spam group Spamhaus.
    Well, the second worst spammer (BadCow is third) is Michael Lindsay, of iMedia Networks, California.

    Its not surprising that they're Russian (and Ukrainian) if you choose to ignore the Americans.
    1. Re:All are Russian... by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most americans would have trouble finding europe on a map. Don't
      expect them to do anything complex like trying to distinguish
      between 2 seperate european countries.

    2. Re:All are Russian... by TwilightSentry · · Score: 1

      America? Where's that? All I can find on this dumb map is USA...

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    3. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially when those two countries used to be part of the same country.

    4. Re:All are Russian... by greenegg77 · · Score: 1

      Europe? Isn't that the country that France is in?

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    5. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah and I bet most europeans would have no trouble locating mississippi on a map.

    6. Re:All are Russian... by geoffspear · · Score: 1
      Especially when those 2 countries used to be part of the same nation.

      I recently heard a sports announcer who said "[Czech player] will be playing in the World Championships for Czechoslovakia, and [3 American players] will be on the US Team. Also, [Slovak player] was named to the Slovak team." It's all the more confusing when the guy seems to know that Slovakia is now a separate country, but can't grasp that when that happened, Czechoslovakia ceased to exist.

      It probably doesn't help in this case that few Americans before the collapse of the Soviet Union would be able to distinguish between "USSR" and "Russia". For that matter, I doubt many today could distinguish between "UK" and "England".

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    7. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America? Where's that? All I can find on this dumb map is USA...

      Look for the only nation that actually has America as part of its name.

    8. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Look for the only nation that actually has America as part of its name.

      American Samoa?

    9. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just ask those in Scotland. =)

    10. Re:All are Russian... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Most americans would have trouble finding europe on a map. Don't expect them to do anything complex like trying to distinguish between 2 seperate european countries.

      That is because the county I live in is bigger than most countries in Europe.

    11. Re:All are Russian... by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1
      Mexico is a good example to point out to all those silly "America is not the name of the USA" trolls.

      "The official name is the United Mexican States (Spanish: Estados Unidos Mexicanos)"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico
      http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ mx.html#Govt

    12. Re:All are Russian... by glwtta · · Score: 1
      That is because the county I live in is bigger than most countries in Europe.

      And yet one of the two countries in question is twice the size of the US.

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    13. Re:All are Russian... by glwtta · · Score: 1
      And yet they probably would be able to distinguish Mexico and Canada, or even two people from those countries.

      I mean, I get not knowing where Slovenia and Slovakia are in relation to each other, but Russia and Ukraine, the two biggest countries in Europe? Sure population-wise Ukraine is smaller than a few Western European countries, but if you know any from the "other" europes, you've probably heard of Ukraine.

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  15. Scam & fraud website by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny
    From TFA: Postal Inspection Service officials are also investigating Smash's activity as a senior member of the International Association for the Advancement of Criminal Activity, which they describe as a loose-knit network of hackers, identity thieves, and financial fraudsters. Smash and another sought-after hacker named Zo0mer jointly operate IAACA's Web site, www.theftservices.com, one of the most popular and virulent data trading sites, according to U.S. officials.

    I wonder what would happen if I posted a link to www.theftservices.com on Slashdot. I mean, what happens to links like www.theftservices.com when they get posted to Slashdot? What effect would it have on www.theftservices.com?

    1. Re:Scam & fraud website by Churla · · Score: 1

      one word...

      ADvertisement

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    2. Re:Scam & fraud website by Jonboy+X · · Score: 1

      Don't forget http://www.ratsystems.org/, also linked from TFA. It's where I go for all my "completely legal" spyware needs. They also specialize in:

      pork bellies
      incontinence
      squeamish ossifrage
      old ladies in tight undies

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    3. Re:Scam & fraud website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you look at the site they're charging $50 for vendors to be able to place ads to cover the cost of bandwidth.

      Seems like a perfect solution to have it posted here on slashdot. I noted a dozen people reading the same thread I was so countless other scores of people are going to find their way there.

      Keep up the good work :>

  16. Nonsense! by Ventriloquate · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The best criminals are the ones you never hear about. Why? Because they don't get caught!

    1. Re:Nonsense! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Umm... Jack the Ripper?

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    2. Re:Nonsense! by adamlazz · · Score: 1

      Thats right, and in the case of the Russians, they did!

  17. I agree, medium business is more vulnerable by djjoemex · · Score: 1

    I've seen in the report that many hackers are atacking big sized companies like Walmart, and I can see that this affects companies that haven't got the budget to obtain intrusion detection systems provided by companies involved in machine learning.

    Today the advances in neural networks, genetic algorithms, data mining and expert systems can be used in big companies to prevent credit card fraud and spam. Many of this systems use combined searching techniques with genetic programming to give outstanding results.

    The problem is that this kind of software is expensive and I haven't seen any bing company using open source for this kind of software so maybe the medium sized business must make an investment in open source technology to provide open sollutions for smaller companies in the future.

  18. The desired solution by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

    We have gun. We have shovel. What problem?

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    1. Re:The desired solution by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      They have more gun. Bigger shovel. You no exist.

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    2. Re:The desired solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need brain too... That's the problem.

  19. Better idea (was Re:Block them at the firewall.) by Billosaur · · Score: 1
    If you needed a reason, there's a big one. Why deal with them if you don't have to?

    The CIA and Special Forces need to sharpen their skills if they're going to find Osama Bin Laden; set them loose on these bastards. Black ops are the way to go. Even better, mercenaries. I'll start a collection. Let's see their hacking skills save them from a bullet between the eyes.

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  20. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...oh, nevermind.

  21. Re:Better idea (was Re:Block them at the firewall. by geoffspear · · Score: 4, Funny
    Right, the US should send its military on incursions inside Russia.

    You, sir, should be running the State Department. You're a freakin' genius. Or a shill for the bomb shelter industry.

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  22. From the Article by Orrin+Bloquy · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Law enforcement officials in Moscow who wished to remain anonymous admitted that a large purple gorilla was still at large."

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  23. The great firewall of China does not work. by hummassa · · Score: 1, Troll

    I Malaysia is blocking my IP, I use an open proxy in, say, Vietnam, and access the "page creation" site from my house. Simple as that.

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  24. Strong technical universities, ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Strong technical universities, comparatively low incomes, ...


    For a moment there I though you were talking about India.

  25. To quote one of the russian hackers... by Gkeeper80 · · Score: 1, Funny

    "I am invincible!"

    1. Re:To quote one of the russian hackers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up! Goldeneye quotes deserve recognition.

  26. Communisim Works! In theory... by poormanjoe · · Score: 1

    Conspericy theory:
    The hacker ringer leader had four computers. The goverment took three of them and gave the to his neighbors. In the traditional anarchist form black hat hackers posses, he teaches his three neighbors what he knows of duping fellow commrades out of there hard or not so hard earned money. Presto, you have the four top hackers of the world.

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  27. I have plan by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

    First we set up phony credit card site, then we get moose and squirrel...

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  28. Dateline: May 29, 2006 by dereference · · Score: 1

    WTF? Is BusinessWeek now somewhere in "the mysterious future" as well?

  29. Re:Better idea (was Re:Block them at the firewall. by tehcyder · · Score: 1
    Let's see their hacking skills save them from a bullet between the eyes
    Yeah, if I was in Russian organized crime, I'd really be shitting myself now.

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  30. In Soviet Russia... by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...oh fuck, I can't think of anything.

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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by owlnation · · Score: 1
      In Soviet Russia.....oh fuck, I can't think of anything.


      How about?

      ...criminals pwn you!

      Someone can probably do better though...

  31. Summary seems a little off... by mmalove · · Score: 1

    "BusinessWeek profiles four individuals identified by law enforcement as the world's foremost online criminals. They're accused of crimes ranging from re-shipping rings to credit card theft and email fraud -- '...all are Russian"

    Now, I don't always keep up with the computing world, but last I checked, Bill Gates was not Russian!

    Although it certainly would explain a lot.

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  32. At least a few years ago by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    You couldn't do even legitimate business in Russia without having an under$standing with the authorities. If you tried, masked men with machine guns would break in to your offices and set about negotiating a better under$standing. Illegal business got mob protection or ceased to exist.

  33. They're on some list? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

    Obviously they're not the top cybercriminals.

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  34. Ouch by biglig2 · · Score: 1

    The word is "cracker", not hacker.

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    1. Re:Ouch by [ByteMe] · · Score: 1

      "...made no snese..."

      Gesundheit.

    2. Re:Ouch by poormanjoe · · Score: 1

      Yes, I confess..it does make no sence...to those /.'ers who dont understand what communisim is...such as yourself...Lemme break it down for you Barney style..See everyone makes the same amount of money regardless of your carrer. For example if your a doctor, and see 10 patients a day, and they all have to pay the set communist amount of $100, and you make $1,000 a day, but the goverment only allows you to be paid what everyones gets paid, which is $100 a day, they take...$1000-$100=$900

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    3. Re:Ouch by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      I was wondering, you know the way Ad Hominem is not a valid argument technique? Well, if the person you are disputing with is actually, clinically, deranged, what are you supposed to do then? Anyone?

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    4. Re:Ouch by biglig2 · · Score: 1

      Taco's collary to Murphy's law: Posts complaining about poor grammar or spelling always contain at least one error of grammar or spelling.

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  35. Ouch by biglig2 · · Score: 1

    It's "cracker", not hacker. Oh, and your entire post made no snese whatsoever. But of course we expect - perhaps even insist on - the latter on Slashdot.

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  36. Difference between knowing and proof by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    You can know that someone is up to something, and yet not be able to prove it, at least to the standard required in court. For example you've probably known about someone at school or the office who sleeps around. You are probalby quite sure it's true based on their actions and the gossip. However if I were to hold your feet to the fire and demand you prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, you couldn't do so.

    Same thing for crime syndicates. The police have divisions, often called OCCB, that do nothing but watch these guys. By watching who talks to who you can figure out how the pecking order goes. However, that's not proof of anything. We have freedom of association in the US, so just because you are talking to some criminals, doesn't mean you are a criminal or that you did anything wrong.

    Also it's not like they are always 100% correct about these lists. There are times where they peg someone as being involved with organized crime and they happen to be wrong, the person just deals with these people for whatever other reason.

    Since we don't allow suspicion and inference to dictate criminal convictions, we have our current situation.

  37. pfu... from TA by mapkinase · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    A baby-faced 22-year-old Ukrainian,

    Golubov held the title of "Godfather"


    Every time I read the word "Godfather", I wish Piuzo and Coppola were executed publicly.

    What a pathetic attempt at self-glamorization and self-aggrandizement supported by trashy media.

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  38. Russian, not Nigerian? by dpilot · · Score: 1

    I would have thought that one of the top guys would either be Nigerian, or at least claim to be Nigerian.

    I'm disappointed. I was SO eager to help repatriate some money.

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  39. the whole article is a crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the whole article is a crap

  40. Nothing new there... by CarpetShark · · Score: 1
    I've heard that in many places of the former Soviet Union, the "local law enforcement" only enforces laws when it suits their financial needs.


    Yep. It's a terrible situation. But at least we can take heart, knowing that our countries all have something in common ;)
  41. from TA, again by mapkinase · · Score: 1
    They meet in underground forums with names like DarkMarket.org and theftservices.com
    Imagine an open business of "godfather" being named like "olives of ", but "Cosa Nostra". This never happened, did it?

    Even the existence of darkmarket and theftservices is a joke and slap in the face of the common sense. Catch the person who registered those website and execute him publicly in front of Googleland.
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  42. Propertyarain embracing the police and many laws by mrraven · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up. The more materialistic a society is, the more "security" forces i.e. cops, i.e. repressive government it needs to protect individuals holdings of property, plus it needs complex contract law which equals bureaucracy and thick law books, etc. Libertarians need to make a CHOICE do you like liberty or material well being the best? If you like material well being be honest and call yourselves propertyarians and quite flim flaming people about liberty, it's a lie and it only makes you look bad when people figure out the truth. The fact that you believe the police who you normally hold to be bad repressive thugs suddenly become good when protecting your property shows your double standard. The same that you see thick books of contract law as not being evil bureaucracy which you would call ANY other thick law book.

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  43. They by Blue6 · · Score: 1

    can't be all that great seeing how they all got caught.

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  44. Where's PharmaMaster? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

    I mean, he DDOs'ed Six Apart, threatened Blue Frog members, without mentioning all the spam he sent.

  45. Your ignorance? by eldavojohn · · Score: 1
    I lived in Leningrad (before it was St. Petersburg...
    First of all, I know that Leningrad & Moscow are different than greater Russia. They might as well be considered separate countries from what I've read. I read about what happens in other countries. I try to educate myself and I form an opinion. I voice my opinion and appearantly I piss someone off. Well, you know what? Nobody's doing anything about this problem so how we start throwing out ideas?
    Go ask a beat cop in NYC (where I moved after Leningrad) which he would rather do, arrest the crack dealer who is peddling rock outside the school or track down the suburban kid who runs a botnet and steals credit card info.
    They are both crimes. I shouldn't be asking him which one he'd rather deal with but instead asking him how his force is going to handle both situations concurrantly. If he can't, then let's get organized and arrange a vote for a larger police budget.
    You make me sick.
    A crime is a crime and deserves punishment. This is an internal conceptualization I have of the word "justice." The fact that you're already resigned to allow one of these crimes to go unpunished merely proves to me that you're ignorant & lack the mentality to understand justice. We value our justice system and she is blind.
    Your attitude is typical of a middle class white american.
    That's great, stereotype me. I'm glad you view me as "just another white american." Should I continue to try and treat you as an equal human being or not?
    You have no concept of things like poverty, REAL crime that does more then hurt a credit report and possibly cost $50, or what it is like to not have the world cater to you and your hedonistic needs.
    So I'm confused. If someone is living below the poverty line trying to make it (like my family as I grew up) and some Russian thug steals $350 from a credit card then I don't eat for a while. Crime is crime--no matter how great the effects. I don't have hedonistic needs. My needs entail justice and a stable capitalistic system.
    ... Then again, many americans do.
    Honestly, you make me sick.
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    And I don't discriminate or stereotype people by nationality. You and people who are resigned to allow a crime to occur without justice make me sick.
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    1. Re:Your ignorance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are
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      Matt Lein
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      Which one are you? I can't figure it out. Nice job hiding your domain info too by the way.

  46. YHBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HAND!

    I win, I always win.

    Tell your sister I said hi and you mother that if I feel her teeth one more time while she is giving me head, I'm going to kick her in the uterus.

  47. WTF? by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

    Couldn't help it:

    Where's Bill Gates on this list? He's been nickel and diming everyone in cyberspace for far too long.

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  48. In Soviet Russia... by Reziac · · Score: 1

    ... OWWWWW! My kneecaps!!

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  49. How quickly the forget how we treated out own... by Il128 · · Score: 1

    Anyone remember Fatal Error or Mudge or that even Jobs and Wozniak built and sold blue boxes?

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  50. Free Mitnick! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 0, Redundant

    What ?

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  51. And the top cyber criminal is: by nilbog · · Score: 1

    Morpheus. Turn him in and we'll wipe your record clean.

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    1. Re:And the top cyber criminal is: by Winlin · · Score: 1

      How about Crash Override and Acid Burn???

      Seems to be my day for movie references.

  52. The missed the worlds largest cybercriminal org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The NSA.

  53. Wha.....? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 0
    "They're accused of crimes ranging from re-shipping rings to credit card theft and email fraud -- '...all are Russian."

    Mr. President, we can not have, nor allow, a HACKER GAP!!

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  54. I think you mean Ochlocracy by spun · · Score: 1

    Anarchism is different from Ochlocracy, which is what I believe you are referring to. Libertarianism is a type of Anarchism, and both believe in doing away with coercive rulership. Ochlocracy is mob rule, which is what most people mean when they say "anarchy."

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    1. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Modern Libertarianism (as I know it) does not advocate a lawless society. Even though it favors a militia, it should only be used as a back-up should the local government fail its people. So when I think of Anarchism, I think of a lawless society without governance of any sort.

      As for an Ochlocracy, how can it be applicable in the case of corrupt law enforcement in Russia (or Mexico for that matter). Quite the opposite if the majority (citizens) are having to pay off a minority (police officers).

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    2. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by spun · · Score: 1

      Anarchism does not advocate a lawless society either. Read the links I gave. Ochlocracy can refer to a State where laws have broken down, or a society where there are no laws, as I said, mob rule. Which I think is what you meant, not anarchy. I find it odd that you know a lot about Libertarianism but (seemingly) have never encountered the correct definition of Anarchy.

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    3. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      ...but (seemingly) have never encountered the correct definition of Anarchy.

      Well, I never did read the version of Anarchy on Wiki till you mentioned it. However, the version I'm used to was found on Dictonary.com as follows.

      1. Absence of any form of political authority.
      2. Political disorder and confusion.
      3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

      It may still be correct, but I'm not so sure now.

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    4. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by spun · · Score: 1

      It's a perfect example of the powers that be coopting a word, and they may very well do the same thing to libertarianism. The US Government engaged in a propaganda campaign against anarchists around the turn of the century, which is where the whole meme of the "bomb throwing anarchist" came from. The dictionary.com definition is right, because language changes according to useage, and the campaign was successful, so people started using the word in that way. But if you talk to any Anarchists aside from the street punk circle-A variety, they will tell you a very different story.

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    5. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Around what time was this propaganda compaign launched? I would love to parse some old dictonary books prior to see what's changed.

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    6. Re:I think you mean Ochlocracy by spun · · Score: 1

      Doing a little research I found that I was in fact partially misinformed. The term originiated as a perjorative word around 1647 in the English civil war. It wasn't until 1703 that the term was first used in a positive light, in Nouveaux voyages dans l'Amérique septentrionale, a book about Native American societies by Louis-Armand, Baron de Lahontan. The first self described anarchist was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon who wrote What is Property? in 1840. His most famous answer is that property is theft, but he also stated, "Property [is] a triumph of Liberty. For it is born of Liberty ... Property is the only power that can act as a counterweight to the State, because it shows no reverence for princes, rebels against society and is, in short, anarchist."

      It was during the later half of the 19th century that American Individualist Anarchy (the direct ancestor of Libertarianism) developed, with a focus on private property and the market economy. In Europe, Anarchism developed in a different direction during this time. The First International Workingman's Association, held in 1864, included such notable figures as Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin, and of course Karl Marx. There was a big split, with Marx on one side and Bakunin on the other. Bakunin's camp saw Marx as authoritarian, and he predicted that if a Marxist party came to power its leaders would simply take the place of the ruling class they had fought against. Guess he was right, eh?

      Around the turn of the century Anarchism played a large part in the formation of labor unions in the US. Many saw the International Workers of the World as Anarchist, specifically Anarcho-Syndicalist, but the group themselves refused to take an official political stance. Formed to combat what they saw as the excesses of trade-unionism with its fat-cat leaders, lack of accountability, and forced payment of dues, the IWW accepted members of any political stripe, but it could be argued that their goals were distinctly Anarcho-Syndicalist.

      It is to this period that I am refering when I talk about the US fighting a propaganda war against Anarchism. The IWW was a pacifist movement, claiming that all wars were fought for the benefit of the rich. They earned the wrath of the US government during World War I for this stance, and the government fought back with raids and propaganda against the group. Anarchists were also conflated with communists during the Red Scare of 1919, although looking at the fight between Bakunin and Marx, we can see that many Anarchists had distinctly anti-communist ideas.

      It can be argued that the end goal of Communism is Anarchism, with Communists believing that the masses need to be forced into it, while true Anarchists believe they can get their on their own.

      So, I have learned that the story is far more complex than I first made out, with the word meaning many different things at different times, my own understanding being colored by my American Anarcho-Syndicalist background. My admittedly cursory research has opened my eyes to the larger history. Hope it helps you, too.

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  55. Re:Propertyarain embracing the police and many law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And it's for precisely this reason that I don't need the police... ...I own guns.

    Now if someone wants to take my property they better have more or better guns than I do.

  56. All SOUND Russian, which is advantageous by Khopesh · · Score: 1

    Seems like a good cover to use a Russian-esque name if Russian-speaking nations are notoriously bad at apprehending criminal computer hackers. A cracker who appears more likely American or Western European would be more actively pursued.

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  57. Progress, not total victory by swb · · Score: 1

    I think you're somewhat overestimating how "hard" it is to break organized crime groups. While RICO isn't always perfect, what it really seemed good at doing was making a big enough charge that when coupled with an offer of immunity and witness protection, got a lot of Cosa Nostra guys to turn informant.

    With informants and RICO together, they've done a really good job at breaking the back of the Italian mafia in the U.S. It's not gone completely, but it is a faint shadow of what it was even 30 years ago.

    I've long felt that there were inadequate resources applied to "cybercrime"; even in SPAM businesses that might be more or less tagged as legitimate (ie, money paid results in *something* delivered), the product is almost ALWAYS wholly fraudulent and the money trail trivial to follow, especially for forensic financial guys more accustomed to international drug cartels.

    And where's the RICO prosecutions? It seems axiomatic to me that spam relies on people being able to spend money, and being able to receieve money from people must involve the cooperation of third parties (transaction processing, web hosting, mail sending, ISPs, shipping, etc), some of which have knowledge of the business being transacted and knowingly and willingly are accessories to it.

    A single successful RICO prosecution that snared an ISP, or a bank, or other nominally legitimate business tacitly involved would likely create such an intimidating environment that many spammers would be choked off from the resources necessary to engage in that trade.

    This might not necessarily solve some transnational scams (Nigeria, etc), but I think too often people expect or demand total success and if they can't have it do nothing. I'd rather have what we've done with the Mob -- incremental prosecutions that have largely gutted it -- than saying "These guys are too good" and doing nothing.

  58. Re:Propertyarain embracing the police and many law by mrraven · · Score: 1

    I actually agree with you anonymous, I'm probably one of only a dozen people on the "left" in the U.S. who believes in armed self defense. Why the "left" (pseudo yuppie left?) embraced gun control is beyond me considering that the IWW fighting back with gasp guns against the Pinkerton cops and National Guard is one of the ways we won a 40 hour work week in the U.S.

    Really the entire political debate is fucked in the U.S. the right/Libertarians value material things above ALL else including human rights in the third world, a living wage here, and any kind of environmental sustainability whatsoever and the "left" believes in a big smothering state with gun control, porn control, violent video game control, big brother phone taps, national i.d. and other such controlling badness. The Republicans the same minus the gun control, but add in control over peoples sexuality, religious beliefs or lack there of, and right to decide whether or not to have an abortion. That's why my shtick is distrust ALL big organizations private OR state, and a pox on BOTH unthinking right wingers AND left wingers, and especially a pox on weak kneed moderates who often embrace the worse controlling and war mongering aspects of both Dems and Repigs.

    And perhaps the Greens would do a better job but not only are they shut out by the MSM but they tend to be flaky fuckups, so stop dreaming about reform within the system and start doing it yourself outside the system with everything from unions to co-ops, to free software, to growing gardens, tell the big organizations public and private to kiss off every way you possible can.

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  59. Russian CyberCriminals.. by veni_1 · · Score: 1

    Thank heaven for all the ones that worked on allofmp3.com!!! ;)

    1. Re:Russian CyberCriminals.. by infosec_spaz · · Score: 0

      A M E N ! ! ! ! Gotta love free enterprise...when it works in your favor.

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  60. A culture of reverse-engineering and hacking by atomic777 · · Score: 1

    I think it's more specific than a culture of "flaunting the law". That attitude can be found in people in countries all over the world, whether it's speeding motorists in Los Angeles or hackers in East Europe. It may be more pronounced in Eastern Europe, but i don't think that's the issue.

    The Russia and the ex-Soviet states had an entire 'industry' dedicated to reverse-engineering and stealing Western intellectual property. In a sense, not a lot has changed since the cold-war: rather than stealing Western technologies like chip designs, they are now using their technical prowess to steal more directly from the West.

    The converse is true to some extent -- certainly many Western engineers and scientists worked extensively on understanding and reverse-engineering certain Soviet advances during the cold war (especially in the military sphere). The difference is that these Westerners were able to be redeployed productively into the economy in the post-Cold war era whereas these same ex-Soviet scientists/engineers and their successors have far fewer options, and fall prey to criminal syndicates who can provide them a Western living standard due to their large "revenues".

    1. Re:A culture of reverse-engineering and hacking by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      You're right I think about this particular issue, but my post was in response to a post about respect for the law and local law enforcement in general.

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  61. It's a deep, old problem there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a minor in Soviet Studies (it's only value is that it makes my resume stand out from the pack). One astonishing thing I learned along the way was that back in Czarist times, local government officials generally didn't receive any pay; it was expected that they would make a living off of bribes!

    With corruption of the rule of law running that deep, the current situation is hardly surprising.

  62. Nope, that's the second tier by yoprst · · Score: 1

    The best won't be considered criminals at all. Perfect crimes, my friend...

  63. Boondock Saints? by NotBorg · · Score: 1

    Although I hate to say it or otherwise condone it, perhaps what we need are a few vigilante motherf*%@ers.

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  64. Remember when you were a baby-proofer? by LandruBek · · Score: 1
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  65. why there? by lon3st4r · · Score: 1

    why is it that russian countries are so strong in hacking? whatever happened to the cyber-task force of the US? look what they did to blue security.

  66. That's not flamebait, neo con mods by Travoltus · · Score: 1

    That's what laissez-faire looks like in reality.

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  67. Re:Propertyarain embracing the police and many law by Travoltus · · Score: 1

    I'm all for gun ownership, but what happens when they
    a) poison your food
    b) launch a RPG from long distance (see: Mogadishu)
    c) line everything beyond your property with grenades
    d) see c) plus also snipers

    Guns are hardly enough to defend your family in a society like Russia, where you have no idea where everything from the USSR's AK47's to their nukes and bio weapons, are being illegally stockpiled.

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