But, as a CS student, your job is not to know the details. Your job is not to know the languages and the tools, your job is to learn the algorithms, to learn the thought processes, to learn how to design. What tools you know how to use aren't very relevant, and will change over the next couple years anyhow. Being adaptable, and knowing the fundamentals, and having strong problem solving skills is far more important. The rest will come. Any company that won't hire you because you don't know their specific languages and tools is either not looking for a student out of college, or is looking for an IT monkey to write code for them. If they don't want a CS student, beware, as the job is likely quite boring anyhow. QFT. A good prgrammer...or at least a desirable one, is one that is able to adapt. One that doesnt mind learning the tools he needs to learn to do the job, especially if its on his own time. Hell....before he came to you for employement he was already planning to teach it to himself anyway.
Not entirely, especially when you keep in mind that if the "securities" used in DOCSIS 3.0 are more tight that DOCSIS 1. DOCSIS isn't about speed at all...its about effeciency (which in this case is the cause of the speed).
I would put money to the fact that if your internet stops working and you call comcast and say you have a docsis 1.x modem you're going to hear the term EOL, and be told to either upgrade or forget your internet. Now this of course doesn't mean that your 1.x will absolutely NOT work in 3.x sysytems....most certainly not, so don't be fooled into getting a new modem because of it. But it's will be like having your modem look for the "info" thru one of many wholes that it could possibly travel thru....and if it can't find that info...well geuss who's going to get a nice limited/no connectivity msg from windows?
sorry for the late response, been away for awhile. Why bother responding to a post I know is meant as a joke? Because my refuting it was done in a joking way. I already thought we've made that clear. Even if we hadn't....and it wasn't done in a joking way, I did it because I wanted to...so that question was probably asked in the wrong way....because I could ask you the same question with you giving the same answer, even though we're (obviously) talking about two different things.
you not seeing my post as "rant", but as an interesting observation is the point I was going for when I told you posts aren't always as them seem. Because the post was neither what you "didn't see it as", nor was it what you saw it as. Unless interesting observation is another way of wording 'a joke that went over my head'..or 'a joke I didn't think was a joke'. Whoosh.
I can't believe in a forum environment we're over 90% of the community has some form of IT/technical background....any of you would feel sorry for these ppl.
What do you say after a customer leaves that just took apart a floppy and tried sticking it in the dvd player? You complain that they didn't take the time to learn just what the fuck it was they were dealing with, or at least SOME version to that effect. Don't lie....I know it you do.
Just because the computer is a "new" form of tech gear for some people...doesn't mean they should be given the right to use one (without proper knowledge). Now I'm one for the idea that all SHOULD own a computer...it is a day and age that demands it.
It is also the day and age where its almost required that you have a car (in most areas)...but you dont see the state allowing you to drive one without proper knowledge. A fool driving wihout a license (proper knowledge) is soon parted from his money as well...yet I hear none of you arguing for his rights. These "fools" are no different.
At least I had enough common sense to not expect to know how to drive a stick before I learned, likewise, these people shouldn't hop on the computer/internet and expect to understand how it works magically. Shit this type of thing happens every day and is in newspapers at LEAST once a month...yet these "fools" in question expect the internet to be different? In a setting where anonymity is around every corner? Screw that...protect your neck. Be a fool if you want. It isn't my money, after all, my mom didn't raise a fool.
So now I ask you, are we putting this guy down because this is merely an object that caused his distress. Are we putting him down because the item in question is from a television series not everyone might respect on the same level as this man, Or are we putting him down for the amount of damages asked for? I wasn't going to respond to this whole thing till I got to your question. I think....(not that I do a lot of that), that most ppl are putting him down because of WHAT he bought and how he's reacting....not becuase of what show that item came from. He paid 6000 for a plastic visor me and my son can make in 20 min (im only assuming this...i've seen the series but am far from an expert).
If all ppl act like this...then when (if) I get famous I'm going to auction of my used underwear instead of throwing them away. For 6000 a pop you can do whatever you want with them once they're yours...cash up front though!
you still appear to be giving a serious reply to a joke comment!:)
Jokes are funny, and what is funny to most may not be funny to all. Case in point. Wombat said something you may have thought was funny, I did not. So I poked fun at him in a way I thought was funny
by WombatDeath
Anyway, it's a little-known fact that 'absolute hot' is 39.6 degrees celsius (about 103.3 degrees fahrenheit). Any observation indicating a higher temperature is simply due to malfunctioning apparatus or experimental error.
by HouseArrest420
If 103.3 is absolute hot (meaning nothing higher is possible) then why do brains start to boil at 105 while, 103.2 is considered to be just a very high temp? 105 is just the number I remember the doc telling me when we took my son in for a seizure he had when holding a steady 103.1 temp, I've never really looked into so this could be completely wrong. I do know, however, that I've been hospitalized for temps higher than 103.3
So what I mistakenly responded to you? I already made amends for that.
Matter of fact you chose your own way to poke your own fun in. After all didn't you just say:
by mfnickster
Either way, you still appear to be giving a serious reply to a joke comment!:)
So your comment was a joke as well. Absolutely!!!! Just not as funny to me as it was to you. Posts are not always what they seem eh?
by mfnickster
...whoosh! (I was implying "absolute hot" is the temperature at which 100% of people will agree that it's hot)
ROFL. After it's broken down, how can this not be funny? woosh? I got your joke. I just hadn't read it until you posted the reply that started this. Thank you for trying to explain something so simple for me though. I always meant to go back and get my ejumakasun.
that is, easily, the most idiotic and non-obvious way of stating time or date I have ever encountered, and were you to speak it in my presence I most likely would demand you forever leave my sight under threat of violence. In my experience ppl that throw around big words when threatening violence never really have the ability to follow thru with it. I've yet to see an intellectual resort to actual violence, and I've NEVER seen a violent person use words like encountered or presence or demand for that matter. I suggest you pull your e-thug library card out of your wallet and put it in your paper shredder. Then demand your money back from the people you bought it from under the threat of violence.....I'd also be interested in hearing thier response to that one!
If 103.3 is absolute hot (meaning nothing higher is possible) then why do brains start to boil at 105 while, 103.2 is considered to be just a very high temp? 105 is just the number I remember the doc telling me when we took my son in for a seizure he had when holding a steady 103.1 temp, I've never really looked into so this could be completely wrong. I do know, however, that I've been hospitalized for temps higher than 103.3
Those observations would suggest that the planet was capable of harboring life like us, but not prove that it does or say much about life that was extremely different than us. My point exactly....again. Are you guys reading what I'm writing or just argueing to argue...because you've both argued my exact point in a part of yours.
Since you cannot define a set of criteria measurable with our current technology for locating a "rock creature" or some other exotic intelligence, there is no way to even start a search for them! My point exactly. Our current technology is no where near what would be needed to search for another "exotic intelligence" (your words), which is what ANY alien species would be. If it was...we'd have found them by now. The simple fact that we're looking, for the lack of a better phrase, for life forms like ours speaks loudly for the fact that we don't even know what we're looking for or what to look for when it comes to another species. If they were like us, they wouldn't be alien. But the notion that they're like us is exactly why we're looking for planets we would be able to inhabit. In my eyes that leaves a very small chance of us finding anything more than another world we'd be able to colonize. But who knows, I'm no scientist. Just a dreamer.
They're basing these ideas on a new telescope on the fact that other worlds hosting life would be hosting life that requires the same needs as our own to survive. I think these smart scientists are forgetting a very simple fact. We're creating these telescopes to find ALIEN life. They are called aliens because they are alien!!! And as anyone knows (or at least can imagine) when your looking for nothing but quartz, that diamond in the ruff doesn't shine so bright.
Simple and short, if your employing means that would be benificial to finding worlds humans can inhabit....your going to miss the ones with life that we can't survive on, all because you've already ruled out the fact that they can't possibly sustain life. Living organisms on THIS planet are 90% water so of course WE need water to survive, but whose to say the only other living aliens in any galaxy aren't 90% rock, or gas for that matter? Debate that idea all you want...for as long as you want....but have you ever met an alien? And I know that example is a bit contrived.....but it does raise an interesting question. How are you going to find something when your not really looking for it?
Hell, for a real basic example look to the cartoon series Ben10, one of his alien forms is a fire based alien....yeah I bet he lives on a planet that's 90% water lol. I know its a cartoon and isn't real...but who's to say it's not correct in some form. Every scientific advancement started out as a theory, and most were thought of as impossible or ridiculous in their own time. With that said, I'm done with voicing my opinion and have only one thing left to say. Have fun sailing your ship off the edge of the world!
Sorry for the late response
would expect the kid in question is basing this on the idea that bigger means more powerful. Well there's your first problem. Expecting the kid in question (a 4 year old) to know or understand ANYTHING besides whats their favorite cartoon character is futile (for the lack of a friendlier term).
The last thing I would expect of them is to grasp the idea that bigger is better for anything longer than 2-5 min. Well...that might not be the LAST thing I'd expect of them, but you get the idea. Especially when most 4 year olds can't tell you the difference in the feelings they experience between having to piss or crap....or even accurately judge when either needs to be done, in an effective way.
Again I'm basing this observation off of an every day 4 year old, not a prodigy.
But I think I can safely say that nobody has ever had a peak experience of total peace, fulfillment, and understanding in front of either of those monitors. I'm not at all religious, but maybe that's the sort of feeling they have when they're tuned in to whatever they worship. Maybe someday, when we can jack into realistic VR, we'll be able to do it from home, but until then you will only experience the most base levels of "fun" if you never get out of your chair. Not entirely sure what you were getting at with this remark, or into what gaming bracket you include yourself (hardcore/casual). But I'm both a hardcore gamer and an amature rock climber. Ppl, most anyway, do the whole nature thing for the rush they get. They don't climb MT Everest because it looks nice from the bottom. They do it for the rush.
Wierd because I get the same adrenaline rush I get from climbing up a black trail that I do from raping the hell outta a clan during a scrim in CS. Matter of fact, my CS experience is more akin to snorting cocaine because not only do I get the rush but after extended play I've always found that I've been grinding my teeth and the insides of my cheeks are all chewed up. Now I'm not a coke head or a religous buff, but I know plenty of coke heads, and they have all said a coke high is as close as your going to get to god unless you go back in time to play football with Jesus.
Point is there are ALWAYS more useful ways to have fun. But trying to compare two completely different ways of having fun like you did, when they actually illicit the same physiological (sp?) feelings in the person who's actually DOING it, is like comparing apples to bananas....when they taste the same.....if that makes sense lol.
A 4 year old. Most can't tell thier left from right, but they're to understand bigger antennas work better than small ones (and depending on the type of antenna this is falicious information)? I doubt it. Do you have kids?
Even if the intuitive guess would be that a wired keyboard might be safer, this is not necesarry the case; the unshileded wire used on most keyboards acts an an antenna QFT
You're the first response I've read here that has been anti wired (or at least nuetral to both) and for a legit reason!! The rest of these fanboys are shouting about wireless sucks beause its unencrypted, forgetting this small detail which would allow you to "hack" into a wired keyboard at a larger distance.....given of course you have a decent line of site lol.
For ANY security measure, or lack there of, there is ALWAYS a way in. The only issue in gaining access is where you look and how hard you've looked.
Really big aerials can hear really weak signals. I know 4 year olds who have grasped that I call bull shit on that, or at least the fact that 10 minutes after you tell them what's what that he'd remember anything about aerials, a frames, wip's, omni, line of sight, or any other type of antenna/directional capabilities of anything including your home phone.
The only reason I think this way is because my son (6yearsold) took me to his school for som job fair and I had to explain just what it was I did for a living. Talk about a dead house. They only perked up interest when I pulled out the walkie talkies to show em omni directional reception, and even then the just kept buzzing each other.....not sure if any of them will grow to be communications experts but in a field whose capabilities are being pushed farther and farther every day we study it....I don't think anyone could ever consider themselves an expert.
At least I can peel a banana without using my feet. I also have enough brain power to know that the crap that lives on someones unclean head isn't something I want to put in my body however tasty it might be.
Its like the Mac OS X Server class I walked out of. They told us we were going to build a server which could provide network services to a Mac connected to firewire. And, if we had time, we'd get to Windows networking. Talk about having your priorities bass ackward. Not to be an ass/troll (but Ill prolly get modded that way lol)....but their priorities seem to have been in the right order. The class for Windows networking was down the hall....where they'd teach Mac networking if they had the time, maybe you should have signed up for that one.
I'm not sure what can be done about it, though, except to make sure that if someone gets accused of harassing you and you feel they didn't, you stand up for them. To bad this doesn't always happen:(
My example that you quoted came from a real life experience. I was working with a company that did in home computer repair (we also took walk-ins but that's not the point). 3 of us had gone out to some server farm down in maryland. 2 guys 1 girl. Now myself and the girl had formed a tight relationship in the short 2 weeks we'd known each other...the other dude had worked there longer than the both of us. This wasn't the first trip me and this girl took together in the line of duty, and we had been on joking/horsing around standards since training day 1. So the blond jokes, the gay jokes, the dirty ones and all the rest had already been discussed and laughed about at length.
I go to tell this dude one of the jokes she had told me before:
A blonde gets pulled over for speeding on the highway. The state trooper asks a couple questions, peers into the car and tells the blonde she'll have to take a breathalizer. To which the blonde replied, "Can I do it from my seat....my knees have been killing me." and don't you know, a week later I got a piece of paper in my mailbox telling me to collect my laptop and tools from my workstation because I am being let go for sexual harassment. Gargh! lol
There's a difference between discipline and beating. I don't confuse the two. While a spanking can sometimes be in order while raising a child (I got spanked growing up a few times, and deserved it I might add, and didn't come out any worse for wear), that isn't beating them. Beating them would be hitting them in the face as a method of saying hello (not necessarily that extreme, but you get my point about abuse being different from ordinary discipline). QFT. Apparently we use different words for the same ideals. My form of beating is your form of discipline on steriods, my form of getting the shit beat out of you by your parents is your form of beating. KK we agree there for the most part. I guess we know which one of us has been beat with a switch and which of us got off lite with a slap on the hand as kids, j/k lol.
Educating someone is different from hazing them Not necessarily, add in a mocking or belittling tone (no matter how small or unintentional) and bam...your being hazed.
Moreover, you aren't being harassed if you don't feel you're being harassed, imo Seeing as its your opinion it can't really be wrong, but I can point out the flaw in that opinion. For example: If I feel you are being sexually harassed at our place of employment (hypothetically of course), could I not file a sexual harassment complaint on your behalf? or even without putting your name in it at all, putting the harassers continued employement in jeopardy? The answer....yes. And you don't have to feel harassed at all. Matter of fact, short of you sticking up for the individual who supposedly harassed you in this example, your feelings on the subject don't even matter.
I consider the target of "harassment" to be the ultimate arbiter of whether it was harassment or not. If they don't have a problem with it (whether or not they voice it), it's fine. It's only harassment, and a problem, if the person being affected by it feels it is. I feel the same way, but just like most things in life, what we feel is right doesn't matter to the lawmakers and doesn't affect what they perceive as right.
I think for the most part we agree upon the same "ideals", we're just arguing over terminology
Regardless, the fact that it goes on still doesn't make it acceptable. By your logic, and Blkdeath's logic, beating your kids should be ok, because everyone does it, and one day they'll have their own kids to beat, and that'll make up for the fact that they got beat when they were kids Doesn't the bible say spare the rod spoil the child? I am not a religous man, but I do believe in disciplining my child, because 1. look at all the lost cause's that weren't disciplined and 2 my mother did the same to me and I turned out to be a decent law abiding citizen with no quirks worth noting (note I'm not saying that ALL ppl that have been beat as a child grow up law abiding citizens, but a large portion due...and the oppsosite is true as well)
Er... be a part of non-shitty communities? Sorry, but any community I've ever been a part of didn't do stupid things like that. We treated people with respect and dignity from day 1, imagine that! Be a part of a non shitty orginization you say? Treated fairly from day 1? I call bullshit. Doesn't matter what kind of community it is, working environment or school yard.
Here are only 2 of the reason I'm pulling your card on this. NO job, then-now, here-there, big-small treats its new emmployees like its sessioned veterans REGARDLESS of experience....ever heard of new hire training? Yes, this may be a very weak example of a form a hazing, but yet it is...because to all the "long timers" you are not an equal and are not treated as such. Pay scales are another perfect example of a form of hazing that an ordinary person wouldn't classify as hazing-hell I dont...but yet it is, I've held at least 2 jobs in which my starting pay was reduced from what I should have been getting, and after a set amount of time (usually 30 days) went up...and if it wasn't the pay then it was the chance to enroll in one or more of the benifits available to all employess. I probably should have found other work (today had this happened I would), but it happened...and not only to me.
Any time your treatment as a "newbie" is different than your treatment were you otherwise...you've been hazed. Regardless of wether or not you feel you've been harassed/ridiculed, if someone else feels you have...you have. Most sexual harrassment issues, at least one's I'm aware of, were put in by someone that was within earshot when the harassment took place.
What you may consider harassment/ridicule, I might not (and probably don't considering the forms I've been thru lol). As I said before they're are countless different forms of hazing...not all leave bruises. I used those two examples to show a stark difference between the types of hazing one could be put through. Obviously it didn't hit home....so I had to elaborate more.
But all of this is just a moot point. Because whether or not you agree with it, whether or not you accept it, hazing does exist in everyday life for the majority of the world. Feel as though you've never been hazed...count yourself lucky.
The fact that a) everyone else had to go through it, and b) you can put someone through it in the future is no excuse for treating people unreasonably. There have been countless ppl who have thought the same way, which is why in most fields/schools hazing has been "outlawed" and ppl talk about it in hushed whispers. BUT they talk about it that way because everyone (exept the ppl that made these rules) know hazing was, and still is, a very big part of belonging to almost ANY community.
As examples: While in the marine corps, where hazing can lead to the brig or worse, when we hazed it usually ended up with someone having multiple bruises on thier body. But then again, the marines are the marines and if you sign up with the thought that hazing isn't an acceptable pracftice (even though everyone will tell you otherwise) you're a fool. Take that experience and throw it at a green carpenter. While I was new to that field (I've since gone back to my technical background), my hazing usually took the form of me having to pull 3 sheets of OSB at a time up 2-3 floors on a ladder while the foremen allowed the use of a forklift for everyone else. 2 different examples of 2 different forms of hazing (there are many forms of hazing), that still happen everyday.
Hazing is as much a part of every community now, of course in different ways as in my example, as its ever been. And many communities (trades where you have "ladder rungs" you must climb up to achieve mastery) have grown stronger because of it.
Electronic Equipment Service and Repair seemed like such a good idea for a small business back when personal cd players where made of metal with windows made of plexi (sp?) glass. Oh how the times have changed....and relatively quickly too.
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I would put money to the fact that if your internet stops working and you call comcast and say you have a docsis 1.x modem you're going to hear the term EOL, and be told to either upgrade or forget your internet. Now this of course doesn't mean that your 1.x will absolutely NOT work in 3.x sysytems....most certainly not, so don't be fooled into getting a new modem because of it. But it's will be like having your modem look for the "info" thru one of many wholes that it could possibly travel thru....and if it can't find that info...well geuss who's going to get a nice limited/no connectivity msg from windows?
you not seeing my post as "rant", but as an interesting observation is the point I was going for when I told you posts aren't always as them seem. Because the post was neither what you "didn't see it as", nor was it what you saw it as. Unless interesting observation is another way of wording 'a joke that went over my head'..or 'a joke I didn't think was a joke'. Whoosh.
Just because the computer is a "new" form of tech gear for some people...doesn't mean they should be given the right to use one (without proper knowledge). Now I'm one for the idea that all SHOULD own a computer...it is a day and age that demands it.
It is also the day and age where its almost required that you have a car (in most areas)...but you dont see the state allowing you to drive one without proper knowledge. A fool driving wihout a license (proper knowledge) is soon parted from his money as well...yet I hear none of you arguing for his rights. These "fools" are no different.
At least I had enough common sense to not expect to know how to drive a stick before I learned, likewise, these people shouldn't hop on the computer/internet and expect to understand how it works magically. Shit this type of thing happens every day and is in newspapers at LEAST once a month...yet these "fools" in question expect the internet to be different? In a setting where anonymity is around every corner? Screw that...protect your neck. Be a fool if you want. It isn't my money, after all, my mom didn't raise a fool.
If all ppl act like this...then when (if) I get famous I'm going to auction of my used underwear instead of throwing them away. For 6000 a pop you can do whatever you want with them once they're yours...cash up front though!
you still appear to be giving a serious reply to a joke comment! :)
Jokes are funny, and what is funny to most may not be funny to all. Case in point. Wombat said something you may have thought was funny, I did not. So I poked fun at him in a way I thought was funny by WombatDeathAnyway, it's a little-known fact that 'absolute hot' is 39.6 degrees celsius (about 103.3 degrees fahrenheit). Any observation indicating a higher temperature is simply due to malfunctioning apparatus or experimental error.
by HouseArrest420
If 103.3 is absolute hot (meaning nothing higher is possible) then why do brains start to boil at 105 while, 103.2 is considered to be just a very high temp? 105 is just the number I remember the doc telling me when we took my son in for a seizure he had when holding a steady 103.1 temp, I've never really looked into so this could be completely wrong. I do know, however, that I've been hospitalized for temps higher than 103.3
So what I mistakenly responded to you? I already made amends for that.Matter of fact you chose your own way to poke your own fun in. After all didn't you just say:
by mfnicksterEither way, you still appear to be giving a serious reply to a joke comment! :)
So your comment was a joke as well. Absolutely!!!! Just not as funny to me as it was to you. Posts are not always what they seem eh? by mfnickster ...whoosh! (I was implying "absolute hot" is the temperature at which 100% of people will agree that it's hot)
ROFL. After it's broken down, how can this not be funny? woosh? I got your joke. I just hadn't read it until you posted the reply that started this. Thank you for trying to explain something so simple for me though. I always meant to go back and get my ejumakasun.Not sure were this is coming form...maybe I replied to you instead of the person that you replied to, but my rant wasn't directed towards you.
If 103.3 is absolute hot (meaning nothing higher is possible) then why do brains start to boil at 105 while, 103.2 is considered to be just a very high temp? 105 is just the number I remember the doc telling me when we took my son in for a seizure he had when holding a steady 103.1 temp, I've never really looked into so this could be completely wrong. I do know, however, that I've been hospitalized for temps higher than 103.3
Simple and short, if your employing means that would be benificial to finding worlds humans can inhabit....your going to miss the ones with life that we can't survive on, all because you've already ruled out the fact that they can't possibly sustain life. Living organisms on THIS planet are 90% water so of course WE need water to survive, but whose to say the only other living aliens in any galaxy aren't 90% rock, or gas for that matter? Debate that idea all you want...for as long as you want....but have you ever met an alien? And I know that example is a bit contrived.....but it does raise an interesting question. How are you going to find something when your not really looking for it?
Hell, for a real basic example look to the cartoon series Ben10, one of his alien forms is a fire based alien....yeah I bet he lives on a planet that's 90% water lol. I know its a cartoon and isn't real...but who's to say it's not correct in some form. Every scientific advancement started out as a theory, and most were thought of as impossible or ridiculous in their own time. With that said, I'm done with voicing my opinion and have only one thing left to say. Have fun sailing your ship off the edge of the world!
The last thing I would expect of them is to grasp the idea that bigger is better for anything longer than 2-5 min. Well...that might not be the LAST thing I'd expect of them, but you get the idea. Especially when most 4 year olds can't tell you the difference in the feelings they experience between having to piss or crap....or even accurately judge when either needs to be done, in an effective way.
Again I'm basing this observation off of an every day 4 year old, not a prodigy.
Point is there are ALWAYS more useful ways to have fun. But trying to compare two completely different ways of having fun like you did, when they actually illicit the same physiological (sp?) feelings in the person who's actually DOING it, is like comparing apples to bananas....when they taste the same.....if that makes sense lol.
This reminds me of a Futurama epsiode I once saw. The message there was sex+robots=human extinction lol.
A 4 year old. Most can't tell thier left from right, but they're to understand bigger antennas work better than small ones (and depending on the type of antenna this is falicious information)? I doubt it. Do you have kids?
You're the first response I've read here that has been anti wired (or at least nuetral to both) and for a legit reason!! The rest of these fanboys are shouting about wireless sucks beause its unencrypted, forgetting this small detail which would allow you to "hack" into a wired keyboard at a larger distance.....given of course you have a decent line of site lol.
For ANY security measure, or lack there of, there is ALWAYS a way in. The only issue in gaining access is where you look and how hard you've looked.
The only reason I think this way is because my son (6yearsold) took me to his school for som job fair and I had to explain just what it was I did for a living. Talk about a dead house. They only perked up interest when I pulled out the walkie talkies to show em omni directional reception, and even then the just kept buzzing each other.....not sure if any of them will grow to be communications experts but in a field whose capabilities are being pushed farther and farther every day we study it....I don't think anyone could ever consider themselves an expert.
But you may call me master. j/k
At least I can peel a banana without using my feet. I also have enough brain power to know that the crap that lives on someones unclean head isn't something I want to put in my body however tasty it might be.
Its like the Mac OS X Server class I walked out of. They told us we were going to build a server which could provide network services to a Mac connected to firewire. And, if we had time, we'd get to Windows networking. Talk about having your priorities bass ackward. Not to be an ass/troll (but Ill prolly get modded that way lol)....but their priorities seem to have been in the right order. The class for Windows networking was down the hall....where they'd teach Mac networking if they had the time, maybe you should have signed up for that one.
My example that you quoted came from a real life experience. I was working with a company that did in home computer repair (we also took walk-ins but that's not the point). 3 of us had gone out to some server farm down in maryland. 2 guys 1 girl. Now myself and the girl had formed a tight relationship in the short 2 weeks we'd known each other...the other dude had worked there longer than the both of us. This wasn't the first trip me and this girl took together in the line of duty, and we had been on joking/horsing around standards since training day 1. So the blond jokes, the gay jokes, the dirty ones and all the rest had already been discussed and laughed about at length.
I go to tell this dude one of the jokes she had told me before:
A blonde gets pulled over for speeding on the highway. The state trooper asks a couple questions, peers into the car and tells the blonde she'll have to take a breathalizer. To which the blonde replied, "Can I do it from my seat....my knees have been killing me." and don't you know, a week later I got a piece of paper in my mailbox telling me to collect my laptop and tools from my workstation because I am being let go for sexual harassment. Gargh! lolI think for the most part we agree upon the same "ideals", we're just arguing over terminology
Here are only 2 of the reason I'm pulling your card on this. NO job, then-now, here-there, big-small treats its new emmployees like its sessioned veterans REGARDLESS of experience....ever heard of new hire training? Yes, this may be a very weak example of a form a hazing, but yet it is...because to all the "long timers" you are not an equal and are not treated as such. Pay scales are another perfect example of a form of hazing that an ordinary person wouldn't classify as hazing-hell I dont...but yet it is, I've held at least 2 jobs in which my starting pay was reduced from what I should have been getting, and after a set amount of time (usually 30 days) went up...and if it wasn't the pay then it was the chance to enroll in one or more of the benifits available to all employess. I probably should have found other work (today had this happened I would), but it happened...and not only to me.
Any time your treatment as a "newbie" is different than your treatment were you otherwise...you've been hazed. Regardless of wether or not you feel you've been harassed/ridiculed, if someone else feels you have...you have. Most sexual harrassment issues, at least one's I'm aware of, were put in by someone that was within earshot when the harassment took place.
What you may consider harassment/ridicule, I might not (and probably don't considering the forms I've been thru lol). As I said before they're are countless different forms of hazing...not all leave bruises. I used those two examples to show a stark difference between the types of hazing one could be put through. Obviously it didn't hit home....so I had to elaborate more.
But all of this is just a moot point. Because whether or not you agree with it, whether or not you accept it, hazing does exist in everyday life for the majority of the world. Feel as though you've never been hazed...count yourself lucky.
As examples: While in the marine corps, where hazing can lead to the brig or worse, when we hazed it usually ended up with someone having multiple bruises on thier body. But then again, the marines are the marines and if you sign up with the thought that hazing isn't an acceptable pracftice (even though everyone will tell you otherwise) you're a fool. Take that experience and throw it at a green carpenter. While I was new to that field (I've since gone back to my technical background), my hazing usually took the form of me having to pull 3 sheets of OSB at a time up 2-3 floors on a ladder while the foremen allowed the use of a forklift for everyone else. 2 different examples of 2 different forms of hazing (there are many forms of hazing), that still happen everyday.
Hazing is as much a part of every community now, of course in different ways as in my example, as its ever been. And many communities (trades where you have "ladder rungs" you must climb up to achieve mastery) have grown stronger because of it.
Electronic Equipment Service and Repair seemed like such a good idea for a small business back when personal cd players where made of metal with windows made of plexi (sp?) glass. Oh how the times have changed....and relatively quickly too.