It is much more difficult to wipe evidence of a hack like that in a secure system. Logging is usually only able to be edited or removed with server root access and even then many systems have remote log servers.
You think that these systems do not have any security in place.
You think that these systems are set up so that any random software can initiate connections to servers outside of the corporate network?
You truly believe that these systems are set up this way. That these rogue chunks of code are allowed to make whatever connections they want?
In a system like you describe, then you would have to assume that such a system is in fact compromised every sing day.
Again.
You have no knowledge of these things. You have no idea how network security works. I can tell you that even at the cab company I worked for that random software could not just connect to some server on the internet because it wanted to. I had a server with tons of credit transactions. You better bet even if soem person walked into the server room and loaded a malicious program on that server...
1. It would get found.
2. If it was not found and wiped, it is not an expected process for requests to the DB and would be blocked.
3. If it was allowed to access DB data it can only connect to a web facing front end system and that system only accepts communication to and from 2 systems and then only from specific processes from those systems.
4. If it got to the web facing front end it can only send to my dispatching system or the CC processor.
5. If it still somehow got past everything we do to lock these systems down. (It is a possibility)
EVERYTHING IS LOGGED TO AN OUTSIDE SERVER.
So. No. Getting someone in HR to click on resume.pdf.exe and having their local system and their shares encrypted is not the same as having the ability to send HIPAA or PCI data outside of ones network.
I hope this clears up any misconceptions you have about how shit works.
Well, awesome!
Let us ignore for the moment that you can not spell and take your argument to its logical conclusion.
Since we are not going to examine the system and just assume that they now have access to the files and report based on the assumption.
I propose that if a system is in any way connected to the outside world, that system should also be assumed to have been breached. Everyday. Now we no longer have to examine things or have evidence or anything.
BREACH! BREACH! BREACH!
The reality is that most systems have lots of different layers of protections. Just because you can get some HR dipshit to click a link and get local files and shares encrypted does not mean that they can bypass everything else and send data out of the network. If you think that the ability to encrypt files on a system is equivalent on all systems to being able to dump a bunch of data out of the network and into the wild, then you have zero IT experience.
If you have zero knowledge in this situation, then it might be prudent to not broadcast your ignorance over the internet.
No. You still need the sneaky guy.
If you run a publicly traded company you kind of have a fiduciary duty to legally pay as little in taxes as possible.
You are obligated to perform as well as possible for the investors.
Customer choice.
Drive selects preferences. We get the benefit of more safety than a driver and people will but the technology.
Some may even select of sacrifice themselves at a specific level. 1 to 1, Save my ass. 10 to 1 save them.
Forward is fairly well defined.
Continuing in the direction of travel or moving in the direction of your current facing is "Forward".
Backwards is the opposite of that.
Youtube actually offers quite a bit. I would gladly pay them to remove ads and keep the the things I want and use.
The fact that AC needs Youtube all the time, uses an adblocker to get rid of the ads but will not pay Youtube even though they offer him stuff he likes and uses is pretty fucking stupid.
At this point people who can think have decided that you are either being argumentative for the purpose of trolling or you are such a shallow thinker as to have effectively no ability to think on your own.
This is the point in the conversation where you want to quit and give up.
Like I said. I understand your POV. I think the fix though is to stop local authorities from signing deals that keep everyone else out. To stop giving tax subsidies to companies to build out more internet and watch them take the money, redifine what broadband is and use the cash and right of ways that the public paid for to bury and type of competition.
I know the actors are bad. Seriously though. Have you ever seen the government take over new powers and not expand them and abuse them? They will here too. What happens when the FCC is controlled by ultra conservative board members and they outlaw tits on the internet "For the public good"? "Think of the children". Do you really think this will not happen? Anonymity will go out the window. Be made illegal.
Again. The current situation sucks. Government will make it worse.
I understand that. But the patents they got approved even though "real", we can all admit are overly broad and crappy. The only reason they got approved is because that is how the patent office works. "Approve if possible and let the courts work it out."
Except the courts are fucking stupid when it comes to tech and it takes years and millions of dollars to get a verdict.
I stated that Apple was not a patent troll. That they were just "being" one.
I understand that it is different. You just have to really read what I posted. Apple has products. Therefore they can not technically be "Just a patent troll". They still though can use the patents they have in a trollish manner.
Some of us are nothing but Apple haters. Some Apple defenders. Some can recognize that Apple has products, a right to make them and is still being a douche about their shit patents.
The problem there was the government was making boatloads of cash on the taxes for cigarettes. Which is why the government is bashing e-cigs. Gotta have those regulations and cash flow.
They are patent trolling. They are not a patent troll.
Trolling is the action they are taking, but by the fact that they also have a legit business they are not "A Patent Troll". They are a company that engages in patent trolling when it suits them.
Let us say that if your patent suit has the sole purpose of stopping legitimate competition in spite of the fact you are using patents in a trollish manner, and are being a patent troll. If you offer no services or products then all you are is a patent troll.
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It is much more difficult to wipe evidence of a hack like that in a secure system. Logging is usually only able to be edited or removed with server root access and even then many systems have remote log servers.
You think that these systems do not have any security in place.
...
You think that these systems are set up so that any random software can initiate connections to servers outside of the corporate network?
You truly believe that these systems are set up this way. That these rogue chunks of code are allowed to make whatever connections they want?
In a system like you describe, then you would have to assume that such a system is in fact compromised every sing day.
Again.
You have no knowledge of these things. You have no idea how network security works. I can tell you that even at the cab company I worked for that random software could not just connect to some server on the internet because it wanted to. I had a server with tons of credit transactions. You better bet even if soem person walked into the server room and loaded a malicious program on that server
1. It would get found.
2. If it was not found and wiped, it is not an expected process for requests to the DB and would be blocked.
3. If it was allowed to access DB data it can only connect to a web facing front end system and that system only accepts communication to and from 2 systems and then only from specific processes from those systems.
4. If it got to the web facing front end it can only send to my dispatching system or the CC processor. 5. If it still somehow got past everything we do to lock these systems down. (It is a possibility)
EVERYTHING IS LOGGED TO AN OUTSIDE SERVER. So. No. Getting someone in HR to click on resume.pdf.exe and having their local system and their shares encrypted is not the same as having the ability to send HIPAA or PCI data outside of ones network.
I hope this clears up any misconceptions you have about how shit works.
Great. So for a consulting business I pay no taxes?
Consumption tax works great on individuals. Not so good for companies.
Well, awesome!
Let us ignore for the moment that you can not spell and take your argument to its logical conclusion.
Since we are not going to examine the system and just assume that they now have access to the files and report based on the assumption.
I propose that if a system is in any way connected to the outside world, that system should also be assumed to have been breached. Everyday. Now we no longer have to examine things or have evidence or anything.
BREACH! BREACH! BREACH!
The reality is that most systems have lots of different layers of protections. Just because you can get some HR dipshit to click a link and get local files and shares encrypted does not mean that they can bypass everything else and send data out of the network. If you think that the ability to encrypt files on a system is equivalent on all systems to being able to dump a bunch of data out of the network and into the wild, then you have zero IT experience.
If you have zero knowledge in this situation, then it might be prudent to not broadcast your ignorance over the internet.
No. You still need the sneaky guy. If you run a publicly traded company you kind of have a fiduciary duty to legally pay as little in taxes as possible. You are obligated to perform as well as possible for the investors.
Customer choice. Drive selects preferences. We get the benefit of more safety than a driver and people will but the technology. Some may even select of sacrifice themselves at a specific level. 1 to 1, Save my ass. 10 to 1 save them.
Forward is fairly well defined. Continuing in the direction of travel or moving in the direction of your current facing is "Forward". Backwards is the opposite of that.
How nice of them to do this after the free upgrade period is over.
iCars.
How did enough people look at this and think ... "People need to see this."
Youtube actually offers quite a bit. I would gladly pay them to remove ads and keep the the things I want and use. The fact that AC needs Youtube all the time, uses an adblocker to get rid of the ads but will not pay Youtube even though they offer him stuff he likes and uses is pretty fucking stupid.
Fucking slashdot.
The Secret Service has just fallen victim to other professions that allowed themselves to get ruined by the "Union Work Ethic".
This is the point in the conversation where you want to quit and give up.
Auto racing causes almost 0.0% of pollution in the world.
I know the actors are bad. Seriously though. Have you ever seen the government take over new powers and not expand them and abuse them? They will here too. What happens when the FCC is controlled by ultra conservative board members and they outlaw tits on the internet "For the public good"? "Think of the children". Do you really think this will not happen? Anonymity will go out the window. Be made illegal.
Again. The current situation sucks. Government will make it worse.
Except the courts are fucking stupid when it comes to tech and it takes years and millions of dollars to get a verdict.
They are bullshit patents and we all know it.
I understand that it is different. You just have to really read what I posted. Apple has products. Therefore they can not technically be "Just a patent troll". They still though can use the patents they have in a trollish manner.
Some of us are nothing but Apple haters. Some Apple defenders. Some can recognize that Apple has products, a right to make them and is still being a douche about their shit patents.
The purpose of their lawsuit was to hinder real competition through use of really crappy and broad patents. That is trollish.
The problem there was the government was making boatloads of cash on the taxes for cigarettes. Which is why the government is bashing e-cigs. Gotta have those regulations and cash flow.
The only thing I can think of that is worse is to give the US government a foot in the door here.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
Trolling is the action they are taking, but by the fact that they also have a legit business they are not "A Patent Troll". They are a company that engages in patent trolling when it suits them.
Let us say that if your patent suit has the sole purpose of stopping legitimate competition in spite of the fact you are using patents in a trollish manner, and are being a patent troll. If you offer no services or products then all you are is a patent troll.
Not because a black squarish phone that you use fingers on the screen was something no one else could think of.
To re charge their new iPhone 6s they went into debt for.