They developed using Apple's open-source stuff via darwin-gcc, if I understand correctly. You just never got any of the really cool class headers required to use the neater functions of the IPhone.
In order to make the most with the 2.x firmware, you needed to get the SDK. Once you got it, you agreed to the NDA.
Yes, because in order to compile their programs, one of the tools they have to use is apples IPhone SDK that you get from joining the dev program. In order to join it, you have to agree to the NDA.
Rather than risk a future legal battle that would cripple jailbreak development, they wisely played by the rules it looks like.
With this gone, Saurik and other jailbreak devs can release their tools and compilers in binary format now. What this means is that Linux and Windows boxes developers enter the fray a lot quicker without having to navigate the pain that is the toolchain compiler assembling.
On top of that, they can openly discuss apps running on jailbroke phones without fear of reprisal. Hoorah!
Sounds good. I graduated recently but have been programming full-time for a little over a year now. I'm pretty familiar with Java and C++. C#, so far, is pretty easy on the eye to learn and does a couple of nifty things that Java doesn't.
I just figure the only reason you would get paid for it is doing.NET development, which I've never dealt with before.
What was the best way you learned to use it? I'm working through an O'Reilly book updated with 3.0 but would be much more open to listening someone who uses it to feed the family.
Meh. It's alright. Not great yet.
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I'm a little surprised at the ease to attack C# but not much. It actually does a few of the things that C++ folk would like over Java, but I can understand the comparisons with Java.
Anyways, I've been fooling around with it for a while via an O'Reilly book and so far it's not too bad. That said, I don't see it much use beyond the Windows.Net Framework. Then again, that's all employers seem to want to see on the resume nowadays when it comes to development. And who can blame them?
I do have a cause for concern though....
Now, you can argue that we're not obviously open source or anything, but the language is standardized, and the entire specification is available for anyone to go replicate. Mono has done so, and I think Mono is a fantastic thing. I don't know [if] you're familiar with Mono, but it's an implementation of the C# standard and the CLI standard (which is effectively the.NET standard) on Linux, built as an open source project. And they're doing great work and we talk to them a lot and I think it's a super thing.
The fact it feels like he's faking the enthusiasm, as he did for most of this dumb interview, is slightly scary. The followup question confirms that
And I guess they couldn't have done that had you not put the specifications out there?
Well, they could have but it would have been a heck of a lot harder and it would probably not be as good a product. You can go reverse engineer it... they have reverse engineered a lot of the.NET platform... but all of the core semantics of the language, they were part of the standardization process.
You know most recently we've created Silverlight, which is our browser hosted.NET runtime environment, and the Mono guys have built a project called Moonlight which is an implementation of Silverlight that is officially sanctioned by Microsoft that runs on Linux and other browsers. It's a good thing.
Lastly...
It is possible to build alternate implementations. We are not building.NET for Linux, because the value proposition that we can deliver to our customers is a complete unified and thoroughly tested package, from the OS framework to databases to Web servers etc.
Ummm....just because it's possible to build an alternate implementation doesn't mean it will work the same way. It would absolutely kill me to use a language that implements two things differently because MS wants to hold back special class $VERY_IMPORTANT_FUNCTION that is the paramount to the language, such as database or socket connectivity.
I seriously hope that Java being opened helps chop block this. With open code, my hope is more places will buy into the language, showing MS that a "industrial-strength" language can be free.
If they don't like math, then they shouldn't be seeking out a freakin' CS degree then. Computer Science is not Software Engineering/Development. I've seen two friends find this out the hard way by failing out because the stuff we were doing didn't interest them.
There are classes and programs that do a great job of teaching those developers how to make software without a CS degree.
A computer scientist is a programmer, though. They just only know how to compile the one language they know: their thoughts.
If it's anything like they are saying, it will be like Bioshock/Mass Effects DRM. I'm sure it's in more detail around here.
Basically, on install, it calls home to check if the unique DVD you got has been installed more than three times. If so, it halts the installation process until you call EA and get it removed. The problem should be apparent.
No internet? In this day and age, hard to believe but I'm sure someone out there had their internet being fixed, etc.
Problems with EA's connection/equipment? A bit more believable
What if EA doesn't believe you/you don't fulfill their requirements? No install for you.
EA goes under/stops support for activation servers? Don't expect an official fix.
Honestly, go find a cracked version, and install that. You did your part in paying for it.
Bioshock helped, but not solely, set this in motion. When I bought it, I didn't see the chains till they were already on. In the end, I was happy with the game, but not enough to reinstall after a format due to the stupid activations.
Others have said that it only affects those who pay thanks to cracks disabling the check. I'm not sure I'd even buy a legit version to make up for it, since it'd just reinforce the idea that "Hey, they'll still buy it."
No joke. I had a roommate who, I swear, played WoW more hours than he did sleeping/spent outside his room combined.
My group of friends and I all played for a while as well. Great game when you can all meet at lunch the next day and bullshit about the raid and who was a n00b. Not too much fun when you're on a server all by yourself.
Hope that those "sciences" don't include math. I don't think you know how much research of baseball statistics goes on when it comes to players and fields.
but how the heck do I return an MP3? When on the road, I've always turned to renting audio books from cracker barrel.
It's great because, depending on my time, I stop and get a new book if I want one. I couldn't do that with an MP3 or USB stick without my computer. I know ATT would pitch a fit if I tried downloading 12-16 Cd's worth of book Over-the-air.
I know of nothing online that rivals something like what Cracker Barrel has going on for $4 a week.
AAA actually has rates for maintenance per mile and tire wear per mile in addition to depreciation per year on the miles. Makes computing cost of driving pretty nice.
Heh. I actually just made a journal entry regarding this. I work for a gov't agency that does not have a clear telecommuting policy and we're about to actually find out how well it will work.
Unfortunately, a concrete schedule hasn't been decided on so it will be played by ear till we figure out if the arrangement is going to work or not. I'm pretty sure I'm the first worker that is actually going to telecommute the majority of the time.
I think the biggest problem with non-software companies is to determine what requires face-to-face time and what doesn't. I know I'm going to be pretty dejected if I show up to work and end up spending a week behind a monitor instead of meetings with Finance, etc.
You can tell if I'm getting work done by issues being resolved. No "If I'm doing it right, you'' see nothing at all." job here. I feel if they allow me to do this, I'm going to have prove them right in letting me work offsite.
Another question is why they simply don't replace me. Our two recent hires left much to be desired, so I'm guess the market here is pretty bad or they are looking for talent in the wrong places.
If it doesn't work, I'll at least say I gave it a shot. And no, I'm not saying which agency.
I've got the same problems you do as well. The hardware seems good(sorta) but all around, this Iphone feels like beta software. I remember getting it and seeing that I couldn't set my own songs or tones for various system noises. I was like "Huh?" Stupidity on my part for buying in.
Thank goodness for jailbreaking/cydia though. It is the one saving grace of what is otherwise a depressing choice.
Glad to know our border guards are fully trained in recognizing and identifying pornography in terms of US code Title 18. Wait, does that even apply to animation?
Seriously, while child pornographers deserve a fate worse than I'm willing to admit, it is often far too go after someone accused of such things.
Good for him to stand up for his 5th. Good for the judge to protect it.
Going back to my OP, once their training wheels (ie- a senior Doctor taking over/guiding them) are off, they are trusted and you can be certain that they won't almost ever unknowingly mess something up. Slip-ups do occur though.
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Saurik explains alot of it here.
They developed using Apple's open-source stuff via darwin-gcc, if I understand correctly. You just never got any of the really cool class headers required to use the neater functions of the IPhone.
In order to make the most with the 2.x firmware, you needed to get the SDK. Once you got it, you agreed to the NDA.
Argh.
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Click here if you want to get a see what is needed to compile code developed outside of Apple's X-Code.
Yes, because in order to compile their programs, one of the tools they have to use is apples IPhone SDK that you get from joining the dev program. In order to join it, you have to agree to the NDA.
Rather than risk a future legal battle that would cripple jailbreak development, they wisely played by the rules it looks like.
With this gone, Saurik and other jailbreak devs can release their tools and compilers in binary format now. What this means is that Linux and Windows boxes developers enter the fray a lot quicker without having to navigate the pain that is the toolchain compiler assembling.
On top of that, they can openly discuss apps running on jailbroke phones without fear of reprisal. Hoorah!
Sounds good. I graduated recently but have been programming full-time for a little over a year now. I'm pretty familiar with Java and C++. C#, so far, is pretty easy on the eye to learn and does a couple of nifty things that Java doesn't.
I just figure the only reason you would get paid for it is doing .NET development, which I've never dealt with before.
What was the best way you learned to use it? I'm working through an O'Reilly book updated with 3.0 but would be much more open to listening someone who uses it to feed the family.
I'm a little surprised at the ease to attack C# but not much. It actually does a few of the things that C++ folk would like over Java, but I can understand the comparisons with Java.
Anyways, I've been fooling around with it for a while via an O'Reilly book and so far it's not too bad. That said, I don't see it much use beyond the Windows .Net Framework. Then again, that's all employers seem to want to see on the resume nowadays when it comes to development. And who can blame them?
I do have a cause for concern though....
The fact it feels like he's faking the enthusiasm, as he did for most of this dumb interview, is slightly scary. The followup question confirms that
Lastly...
It is possible to build alternate implementations. We are not building .NET for Linux, because the value proposition that we can deliver to our customers is a complete unified and thoroughly tested package, from the OS framework to databases to Web servers etc.
Ummm....just because it's possible to build an alternate implementation doesn't mean it will work the same way. It would absolutely kill me to use a language that implements two things differently because MS wants to hold back special class $VERY_IMPORTANT_FUNCTION that is the paramount to the language, such as database or socket connectivity.
I seriously hope that Java being opened helps chop block this. With open code, my hope is more places will buy into the language, showing MS that a "industrial-strength" language can be free.
Man, that's going to be one malty beer!
I'm wondering what this yeast's brewing profile is. Could it lager? What's it attenuation?
An interesting achievement and a even neater application of science!
If they don't like math, then they shouldn't be seeking out a freakin' CS degree then. Computer Science is not Software Engineering/Development. I've seen two friends find this out the hard way by failing out because the stuff we were doing didn't interest them.
There are classes and programs that do a great job of teaching those developers how to make software without a CS degree.
A computer scientist is a programmer, though. They just only know how to compile the one language they know: their thoughts.
If it's anything like they are saying, it will be like Bioshock/Mass Effects DRM. I'm sure it's in more detail around here.
Basically, on install, it calls home to check if the unique DVD you got has been installed more than three times. If so, it halts the installation process until you call EA and get it removed. The problem should be apparent.
No internet? In this day and age, hard to believe but I'm sure someone out there had their internet being fixed, etc.
Problems with EA's connection/equipment? A bit more believable
What if EA doesn't believe you/you don't fulfill their requirements? No install for you.
EA goes under/stops support for activation servers? Don't expect an official fix.
Honestly, go find a cracked version, and install that. You did your part in paying for it.
Agreed.
Bioshock helped, but not solely, set this in motion. When I bought it, I didn't see the chains till they were already on. In the end, I was happy with the game, but not enough to reinstall after a format due to the stupid activations.
Others have said that it only affects those who pay thanks to cracks disabling the check. I'm not sure I'd even buy a legit version to make up for it, since it'd just reinforce the idea that "Hey, they'll still buy it."
No joke. I had a roommate who, I swear, played WoW more hours than he did sleeping/spent outside his room combined.
My group of friends and I all played for a while as well. Great game when you can all meet at lunch the next day and bullshit about the raid and who was a n00b. Not too much fun when you're on a server all by yourself.
Yep. The first one was actually placed by a church as part of their "getting the word out" I thought.
They just sold the interior out to make some money.
Any idea when the latter two were installed? I always wondered about those two.
Hope that those "sciences" don't include math. I don't think you know how much research of baseball statistics goes on when it comes to players and fields.
Indeed! I only wish I could rent/return those tapes to anywhere.
You do have a good point though. There's nothing preventing me from getting 3 audio books, in the event of dead time.
but how the heck do I return an MP3? When on the road, I've always turned to renting audio books from cracker barrel.
It's great because, depending on my time, I stop and get a new book if I want one. I couldn't do that with an MP3 or USB stick without my computer. I know ATT would pitch a fit if I tried downloading 12-16 Cd's worth of book Over-the-air.
I know of nothing online that rivals something like what Cracker Barrel has going on for $4 a week.
AAA actually has rates for maintenance per mile and tire wear per mile in addition to depreciation per year on the miles. Makes computing cost of driving pretty nice.
Heh. I actually just made a journal entry regarding this. I work for a gov't agency that does not have a clear telecommuting policy and we're about to actually find out how well it will work.
Unfortunately, a concrete schedule hasn't been decided on so it will be played by ear till we figure out if the arrangement is going to work or not. I'm pretty sure I'm the first worker that is actually going to telecommute the majority of the time.
I think the biggest problem with non-software companies is to determine what requires face-to-face time and what doesn't. I know I'm going to be pretty dejected if I show up to work and end up spending a week behind a monitor instead of meetings with Finance, etc.
You can tell if I'm getting work done by issues being resolved. No "If I'm doing it right, you'' see nothing at all." job here. I feel if they allow me to do this, I'm going to have prove them right in letting me work offsite.
Another question is why they simply don't replace me. Our two recent hires left much to be desired, so I'm guess the market here is pretty bad or they are looking for talent in the wrong places.
If it doesn't work, I'll at least say I gave it a shot. And no, I'm not saying which agency.
Three for three!
I actually had a business professor who docked us pretty bad when we misspelled the marketing terminology. Figured I'd spread my pain. :D
I know this is late, but it's guerrilla. Nothing else to add.
I've got the same problems you do as well. The hardware seems good(sorta) but all around, this Iphone feels like beta software. I remember getting it and seeing that I couldn't set my own songs or tones for various system noises. I was like "Huh?" Stupidity on my part for buying in.
Thank goodness for jailbreaking/cydia though. It is the one saving grace of what is otherwise a depressing choice.
Glad to know our border guards are fully trained in recognizing and identifying pornography in terms of US code Title 18. Wait, does that even apply to animation?
Seriously, while child pornographers deserve a fate worse than I'm willing to admit, it is often far too go after someone accused of such things.
Good for him to stand up for his 5th. Good for the judge to protect it.
Except every once in a while...then you get something like the SSL/SSH debacle.
What are you talking about? According to our esteemed editor, no one here is even watching these "'sports'". That or he was attempting humor. I'm not sure anymore.
Going back to my OP, once their training wheels (ie- a senior Doctor taking over/guiding them) are off, they are trusted and you can be certain that they won't almost ever unknowingly mess something up. Slip-ups do occur though.