"The bigger issue is in parts of the world where parents have to depend upon their children to care for them in old age. Parents have no way of knowing how many children will survive to adulthood and as such tend to have a lot more children in order to make sure that they're cared for. These kids then tend to make a similar choice and over time the population just keeps on growing."
Uh, not so much.
Kids are a means of farming the land or other agrarian duties; taking care of their elderly parents is a distant second. Japan's society, as referenced in the comment below, is a perfect example of a culture that relies on successive generations to take care of the previous but has a very low birth rate. China's society is very similar, in this respect, as well; whatever you heard about the one-child policy, it was only valid in the urban areas, not in the villages.
There was a study completed within the last five years or so (sorry, no link) that stated that if everybody on earth lived in a nice little urban neighborhood with cookie cutter houses, all the billions of us would fit quite nicely in Texas.
Logic and consequence are two completely different things and applied as a parent with utter and complete lack of prejudice. You do/did something that you though to be logical at whatever age you were: "...put my dad's porn under my mother's pillow..." results in a quick consequence of a) writing an essay; b) pushups; c) timeout; d) clean bathrooms with *extra* attention on the toilets in this house. A child's mind is not an adults and does not see consequence/big picture, *regardless* of the logic. If, in fact, this was so with your highly advanced intellect, please refer to my opening question.
The most important thing a child can learn is to do what they are told the first time. Bar none. Obviously your parents did not pursue this empirically proven method of parenting.
So, I imagine that you, now as an adult, are actually applying this vast wealth of knowledge you gained at the expense of your parents for the betterment or society?
The *only* place people wait in line in China is to see Mao. The white "Get Some" vans are always parked around Tiananmen with billy-club-wielding PAP to render a quick beat down for those too anxious to see Red China's granddaddy of socialism.
When I traveled abroad and the topic of healthcare came up, to the people I was with (Dutch) it just seemed unfathomable not to take care of your fellow Americans. Where as if it's breeched with a large part of the population it's "This is mine, you can't have any." I'm not saying either mentality is wrong but it just seems like a fundamental difference in thinking.
The Europeans have lived under the blanket of US security since WWII, of course they can afford to pay for health care and expect that all other nations in the West do the same. In fact, international commerce has been quite successful for quite awhile now thanks to the US Navy. What do citizens of other nations say when asked about this? "Huh? Meh."
Your fatal assumption is that there is no evidence--your analogy does not hold water. Just because these guys have not come before some sort of trial does not mean that there is no evidence. And where are the family members who are trying to get these guys out? I have yet to see stories on that.
Revenge for being released? No, I enjoy my freedom. Why would I want to jeopordize it again? And exacting revenge on others because a family member is locked up is really going to make my case, right? Now that is humanity at its finest.
You seem to be awfully sure about a lot of things, especially my behavior.
Dude, you have no clue WTF you are talking about. Citing outliers as fact only makes you look stoopid. Check the recidivism rate of those released.
How about we release these guys and you host them for a few months so that you can verify their innocence? Surely you are much more competent and a helluva lot smarter than those who have made the decision to keep them where they are at.
A little more research by your humble self might discover some amazing truths about military commissions: they tend to be a lot more fair than your average trial.
I am familiar with the debate and to posit that anything is settled regarding global warming/coolling or AGW is to ignore the most basic definition of science.
Human rights are universal. My wife's Asian. She was endowed by her Creator with the same rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that I was. My children, bearing epicanthic folds around their eyes, do not somehow possess fewer natural rights than I do.
You make my point for me here: we are applying Western norms to what actually happens in China. Human rights are only universal where they are respected by their governments. China is not one of those governments.
Many of those who are working in those factories got lucky: they would be working just as hard or harder farming their own land for next to nothing.
Nope, sorry, try again. My grandparents were hillbilly subsistence farmers. Give a man a plot of land and the right to keep what he grows and he'll prosper. It's sharecroppers, constantly robbed of their harvest, who suffer. Read the histories of industrialization, particularly that of Britain and India. When factories and their need for labor enter the picture, government policies are soon implemented to drive farmers off their land.
I have loved ones in Asia. I'm offended at the suggestion that they should be grateful for simply being allowed to survive.
Your grandparents are a lucky instance. As I state, empirical evidence shows otherwise.
Actually, South Asia is my specialty. The preponderance of instances is NOT being robbed by sharecroppers, but poor economic policy by the state. This continues today: take a look at the Dalit movements and how they are continually sold out by their own when one of them gets elected.
Offended you may be, but that is not the fault of me, the US, or a company that manufactures products for Apple. This lies squarely in the hands of the government of China.
This seems to be a case where Western mores are being applied to the Chinese. Media here in the US and the West continually attempt to reinforce their guilty feelings by publishing these articles, when, in fact, it is an apples and oranges comparison (and we aren't just adding here!) There are plenty of empirical studies out there that show that these companies have greatly benefitted the Chinese/Vietnamese/whoever far more than their absence. Many of those who are working in those factories got lucky: they would be working just as hard or harder farming their own land for next to nothing. Where are the reports on the other 900+ million Chinese (a gross underestimation, I am sure) who are not working in a foreign owned factory?
Yes, the US government has a many jobs throughout Europe, even some with coding. There are also contractors to the government through SAIC, Northrop, etc. for jobs in Europe. Worth a look.
I love this stuff, these stories are exactly why Matt Damon, Matt Damon! movies sell so well. It seems that too many people just want to believe that they are being duped.
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"The bigger issue is in parts of the world where parents have to depend upon their children to care for them in old age. Parents have no way of knowing how many children will survive to adulthood and as such tend to have a lot more children in order to make sure that they're cared for. These kids then tend to make a similar choice and over time the population just keeps on growing."
Uh, not so much.
Kids are a means of farming the land or other agrarian duties; taking care of their elderly parents is a distant second. Japan's society, as referenced in the comment below, is a perfect example of a culture that relies on successive generations to take care of the previous but has a very low birth rate. China's society is very similar, in this respect, as well; whatever you heard about the one-child policy, it was only valid in the urban areas, not in the villages.
There was a study completed within the last five years or so (sorry, no link) that stated that if everybody on earth lived in a nice little urban neighborhood with cookie cutter houses, all the billions of us would fit quite nicely in Texas.
So, where the fuck is my time machine, genius?
Logic and consequence are two completely different things and applied as a parent with utter and complete lack of prejudice. You do/did something that you though to be logical at whatever age you were: "...put my dad's porn under my mother's pillow..." results in a quick consequence of a) writing an essay; b) pushups; c) timeout; d) clean bathrooms with *extra* attention on the toilets in this house. A child's mind is not an adults and does not see consequence/big picture, *regardless* of the logic. If, in fact, this was so with your highly advanced intellect, please refer to my opening question.
The most important thing a child can learn is to do what they are told the first time. Bar none. Obviously your parents did not pursue this empirically proven method of parenting.
So, I imagine that you, now as an adult, are actually applying this vast wealth of knowledge you gained at the expense of your parents for the betterment or society?
Wow, and I thought I was the only one who didn't like clarity.
The *only* place people wait in line in China is to see Mao. The white "Get Some" vans are always parked around Tiananmen with billy-club-wielding PAP to render a quick beat down for those too anxious to see Red China's granddaddy of socialism.
When I traveled abroad and the topic of healthcare came up, to the people I was with (Dutch) it just seemed unfathomable not to take care of your fellow Americans. Where as if it's breeched with a large part of the population it's "This is mine, you can't have any." I'm not saying either mentality is wrong but it just seems like a fundamental difference in thinking.
The Europeans have lived under the blanket of US security since WWII, of course they can afford to pay for health care and expect that all other nations in the West do the same. In fact, international commerce has been quite successful for quite awhile now thanks to the US Navy. What do citizens of other nations say when asked about this? "Huh? Meh."
What fucking troll modded this comment up?
Don't you have to drive to those in the UK?
Common sense/sanity alert! Mod UP!
Wow. It is this kind of drivel, along with the parent, that shows hw really comfortable we in the US and Europe have become.
Your fatal assumption is that there is no evidence--your analogy does not hold water. Just because these guys have not come before some sort of trial does not mean that there is no evidence. And where are the family members who are trying to get these guys out? I have yet to see stories on that.
Revenge for being released? No, I enjoy my freedom. Why would I want to jeopordize it again? And exacting revenge on others because a family member is locked up is really going to make my case, right? Now that is humanity at its finest.
You seem to be awfully sure about a lot of things, especially my behavior.
Dude, you have no clue WTF you are talking about. Citing outliers as fact only makes you look stoopid. Check the recidivism rate of those released.
How about we release these guys and you host them for a few months so that you can verify their innocence? Surely you are much more competent and a helluva lot smarter than those who have made the decision to keep them where they are at.
A little more research by your humble self might discover some amazing truths about military commissions: they tend to be a lot more fair than your average trial.
Yeah, and you and your parents asses were being saved by ours before you were born.
Um, weren't the Dems in control of both houses of Congress for the last two years?
"If you're not liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not conservative when you're older, you have no brain."
Or people could have paid their mortgages. Oops, get into a house that was a bit too much? So sorry, let's blame it on the banks!
I am familiar with the debate and to posit that anything is settled regarding global warming/coolling or AGW is to ignore the most basic definition of science.
Human rights are universal. My wife's Asian. She was endowed by her Creator with the same rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that I was. My children, bearing epicanthic folds around their eyes, do not somehow possess fewer natural rights than I do.
You make my point for me here: we are applying Western norms to what actually happens in China. Human rights are only universal where they are respected by their governments. China is not one of those governments.
Many of those who are working in those factories got lucky: they would be working just as hard or harder farming their own land for next to nothing.
Nope, sorry, try again. My grandparents were hillbilly subsistence farmers. Give a man a plot of land and the right to keep what he grows and he'll prosper. It's sharecroppers, constantly robbed of their harvest, who suffer. Read the histories of industrialization, particularly that of Britain and India. When factories and their need for labor enter the picture, government policies are soon implemented to drive farmers off their land.
I have loved ones in Asia. I'm offended at the suggestion that they should be grateful for simply being allowed to survive.
Your grandparents are a lucky instance. As I state, empirical evidence shows otherwise.
Actually, South Asia is my specialty. The preponderance of instances is NOT being robbed by sharecroppers, but poor economic policy by the state. This continues today: take a look at the Dalit movements and how they are continually sold out by their own when one of them gets elected.
Offended you may be, but that is not the fault of me, the US, or a company that manufactures products for Apple. This lies squarely in the hands of the government of China.
This seems to be a case where Western mores are being applied to the Chinese. Media here in the US and the West continually attempt to reinforce their guilty feelings by publishing these articles, when, in fact, it is an apples and oranges comparison (and we aren't just adding here!) There are plenty of empirical studies out there that show that these companies have greatly benefitted the Chinese/Vietnamese/whoever far more than their absence. Many of those who are working in those factories got lucky: they would be working just as hard or harder farming their own land for next to nothing. Where are the reports on the other 900+ million Chinese (a gross underestimation, I am sure) who are not working in a foreign owned factory?
Barron's "Forgotten Calculus" is pretty good, hope this wasn't suggested before...I get the digest of the posts.
Spent a lot of time in Tirana, great place!
Cheers!
I am a bit confused as to the "Expert and Government Review" as shown by the IPCC here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data.htm
Can anybody please explain what the government has to do with this? Is this a valid peer review process?
Yes, the US government has a many jobs throughout Europe, even some with coding. There are also contractors to the government through SAIC, Northrop, etc. for jobs in Europe. Worth a look.
Where I come from, Physical Access means typing on the machine, not getting inside the box.
I love this stuff, these stories are exactly why Matt Damon, Matt Damon! movies sell so well. It seems that too many people just want to believe that they are being duped.