> Yet, viruses and malware are a substantial problem on [The Amiga]
Have you ever used an Amiga? I've owned a few and NEVER, EVER heard of any malware on them. Some viruses, sure, but I pirated shitloads of software and was never infected by one. However, "the culture," as you say, could have made a virus spread very quickly. At any rate, even accounting for the # of users, I've seen way more viruses for MS software than Workbench/AmigaDOS. Saying it is/was a "substantial problem" is disingenuous at best.
> I'm sure if you added up all the vulnerabilities in Windows 2000 and compared them to a list of vulnerabilities in all the software on a standard Linux distribution of the same age, Linux would have at least as many as Windows.
I don't want to come across as a zealot or MS basher or anything, and you've probably heard this before, but an issue with this is that simply the number of vulnerabilities doesn't mean much. Compare which ones will give you root or admin access. Most of the Linux vulns are exploits that usually only affect one or two programs and won't give someone a root shell. On Windows, however, there are more vulns that can give an attacker complete control of the machine (in theory) to act as a zombie or something similar.
Moderators: read the contents of the thread before acting like a tool. The "fucktard" comment is a joke, referring to the previous post. And the question itself is legitimate.
> > Try using Google to find some new names to call people > Do you really not know how to look up new information?
Do you really think a thesaurus would help for for name-calling? Somehow, I doubt "asshole" will be found in Roget's. (BTW, I did look, and asshole isn't in dictionary.com's thesaurus)
By your logic, you must not use a Mac then. There is no way to draw a corrolation between intelligence & the kind of computer they use... unless it's a punchcard interface or something.
Not understanding what "pompous rhetoric" is proves that you NEVER took Logic 101. He was right, straw man argument -- and I last took logic about 7 years ago.
Oh, and you've enlightened us all by posting... nothing, either! No, wait, you did... a flawed analogy, and when someone pointed it out, you claim to know that "nobody listens to [his] half-baked, semi-literate 'opinions.'" You don't know me. I agree with his opinions in this case, but you don't know how to answer them so you insult him. At least he backed up his insult with an argument. Regardless of whether or not you've heard it before, he made one. If you had and didn't want to retort, DON'T FUCKING REPLY.
Thanks for wasting all our time! Hey, now I'm wasting everyone's time! Ain't/. great?
You look like a fool comparing decoding a broadcast signal to beating someone in the head with a rock... I think YOU are the one who needs his morals checked.
You also make a claim that everything that is was decided by society. It was not, just about everything that makes this illegal was in laws bought by lobbyists. That's all I'm goung to say in this thread, as you won't convince anyone with your reasoning so far. Not that the other side isn't a bit unrealistic too...
That's a horrible argument that you didn't put enough thought into. There is an implicit agreement created upon entering the taxi -- a contract, if you will. You agree to pay money after the services are rendered.
I MADE NO CONTRACT WITH DIRECTV TO ALLOW THEM TO TRANSMIT THEIR SIGNAL THROUGH MY HOUSE, therefore I do not have to agree to any contract.
> If I don't want you to have it, or only want you to have it if you pay me, then you are stealing my right
But what if you were stupid enough to post your book on a web server, then constantly broadcast the contents of your book to every network in the country. Should you whine when someone reads it?
If you don't want people reading your book without your permission, DON'T FUCKING SEND IT TO THEM! I don't have the choice to "opt-out" of receiving the signal in some way, ie my body.
> > that still doesn't make it a kid-safe zone > maybe, maybe not
Er, no... Definitely. It means that anyone trying to prey on kids must be in that area, which means they have quicker access to them. They have to be in a geographically-small area to connect at all & know exactly where to look.
The only way to be relatively sure of your customer base is to know them all personally. If you are trying to grow as a public network, that is simply impossible.
> Why arent city/govt people exploting this to every tourist place?
Because people don't generally wander around new places with their laptop out & wireless NIC on, looking for hotspots. Basically, it makes no economic sense unless your tourist trade is HUUUUUGE, more wealthy than average, and/or technologically inclined.
Rare? There are MORE 10.* addresses than any others because they can be duplicated... they're just not on the Internet. By supply & demand theory, they should be cheaper -- and they are, they're free.
> Don't you think that the bad things that could be accomplished with this technology is far greater than the good?
But by the time terrorists & bank robbers can get their hands on this, the military will have something even better to protect themselves. As soon as the country's population is threatened by this, the government will conveniently "forget" that it's their fault and claim they need more money to protect from the terrorists they helped arm with advanced technology.
But seriously, just because something CAN be used for bad purposes does not mean we should not make it at all.
> I'll resist the urge to throw in a comment about the backers of this project also being the guys selling Linux insurance...
Why is it that when someone wants to make a point but doesn't want to look like they are, they just say something like this -- in effect, contradicting themself in the same sentence? I'm not blaming you; I do the same thing, but it's annoying to see it from someone other than myself:).
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> around 800,000 crack troops who had been beating back the 6-8 million Chinese troops who opposed them.
Imagine how much better they would have done if they were meth troops instead.
> I've been trying to remember that bar joke for AGES!
It's better when it ends with the Texan shooting a Mexican.
> Yet, viruses and malware are a substantial problem on [The Amiga]
Have you ever used an Amiga? I've owned a few and NEVER, EVER heard of any malware on them. Some viruses, sure, but I pirated shitloads of software and was never infected by one. However, "the culture," as you say, could have made a virus spread very quickly. At any rate, even accounting for the # of users, I've seen way more viruses for MS software than Workbench/AmigaDOS. Saying it is/was a "substantial problem" is disingenuous at best.
> I'm sure if you added up all the vulnerabilities in Windows 2000 and compared them to a list of vulnerabilities in all the software on a standard Linux distribution of the same age, Linux would have at least as many as Windows.
I don't want to come across as a zealot or MS basher or anything, and you've probably heard this before, but an issue with this is that simply the number of vulnerabilities doesn't mean much. Compare which ones will give you root or admin access. Most of the Linux vulns are exploits that usually only affect one or two programs and won't give someone a root shell. On Windows, however, there are more vulns that can give an attacker complete control of the machine (in theory) to act as a zombie or something similar.
Moderators: read the contents of the thread before acting like a tool. The "fucktard" comment is a joke, referring to the previous post. And the question itself is legitimate.
> > Try using Google to find some new names to call people
> Do you really not know how to look up new information?
Do you really think a thesaurus would help for for name-calling? Somehow, I doubt "asshole" will be found in Roget's. (BTW, I did look, and asshole isn't in dictionary.com's thesaurus)
> The only ones doing the perserving, ARE THE PIRATES
Except for the first Carmageddon, I've been searching for months for that, but can't find it anywhere. Not that it'll kill me not to have it...
> n00b
Good one. Check the UID: not as low as yours, but certainly not made last year.
> Try using Google to find some new names to call people
how do you google for a word you do not know exists?
Fucktard...
> Mac users are pretty smart
By your logic, you must not use a Mac then. There is no way to draw a corrolation between intelligence & the kind of computer they use... unless it's a punchcard interface or something.
> Take away their thumbs, [...] to make them more identifiable in public.
I think taking away their heads would be more obvious.
> that whole freedom to travel thing is gone.
Zey don't need to see deine papers ven you walk...
(apologies to Deutschlanders)
> The high level of pompous rhetoric
Not understanding what "pompous rhetoric" is proves that you NEVER took Logic 101. He was right, straw man argument -- and I last took logic about 7 years ago.
> events carried out against students just like us.
Like us? I think you need to understand your audience. Most of "us" aren't students, in the traditional sense.
Oh, and you've enlightened us all by posting... nothing, either! No, wait, you did... a flawed analogy, and when someone pointed it out, you claim to know that "nobody listens to [his] half-baked, semi-literate 'opinions.'" You don't know me. I agree with his opinions in this case, but you don't know how to answer them so you insult him. At least he backed up his insult with an argument. Regardless of whether or not you've heard it before, he made one. If you had and didn't want to retort, DON'T FUCKING REPLY.
/. great?
Thanks for wasting all our time! Hey, now I'm wasting everyone's time! Ain't
You look like a fool comparing decoding a broadcast signal to beating someone in the head with a rock... I think YOU are the one who needs his morals checked.
You also make a claim that everything that is was decided by society. It was not, just about everything that makes this illegal was in laws bought by lobbyists. That's all I'm goung to say in this thread, as you won't convince anyone with your reasoning so far. Not that the other side isn't a bit unrealistic too...
> I jump out and run for it when we arrive.
That's a horrible argument that you didn't put enough thought into. There is an implicit agreement created upon entering the taxi -- a contract, if you will. You agree to pay money after the services are rendered.
I MADE NO CONTRACT WITH DIRECTV TO ALLOW THEM TO TRANSMIT THEIR SIGNAL THROUGH MY HOUSE, therefore I do not have to agree to any contract.
> If I don't want you to have it, or only want you to have it if you pay me, then you are stealing my right
But what if you were stupid enough to post your book on a web server, then constantly broadcast the contents of your book to every network in the country. Should you whine when someone reads it?
If you don't want people reading your book without your permission, DON'T FUCKING SEND IT TO THEM! I don't have the choice to "opt-out" of receiving the signal in some way, ie my body.
> Tomorrow I hope to fit the Krup L/56 88mm cannon onto his nose.
> I might have let the project get a bit out of hand.
It's not out of hand until you cannot attach any more weapons!
> > that still doesn't make it a kid-safe zone
> maybe, maybe not
Er, no... Definitely. It means that anyone trying to prey on kids must be in that area, which means they have quicker access to them. They have to be in a geographically-small area to connect at all & know exactly where to look.
The only way to be relatively sure of your customer base is to know them all personally. If you are trying to grow as a public network, that is simply impossible.
> Why arent city/govt people exploting this to every tourist place?
Because people don't generally wander around new places with their laptop out & wireless NIC on, looking for hotspots. Basically, it makes no economic sense unless your tourist trade is HUUUUUGE, more wealthy than average, and/or technologically inclined.
> And since there fewer 10.x.x.x addresses (rare)
Rare? There are MORE 10.* addresses than any others because they can be duplicated... they're just not on the Internet. By supply & demand theory, they should be cheaper -- and they are, they're free.
Or are you just continuing a bad "joke?"
> IANAE(ngineer) but, is 5GB in a drive that size that amazing?
For the average person, no, but for him, "that size" is pretty small. Sorry...
> Don't you think that the bad things that could be accomplished with this technology is far greater than the good?
But by the time terrorists & bank robbers can get their hands on this, the military will have something even better to protect themselves. As soon as the country's population is threatened by this, the government will conveniently "forget" that it's their fault and claim they need more money to protect from the terrorists they helped arm with advanced technology.
But seriously, just because something CAN be used for bad purposes does not mean we should not make it at all.
> I'll resist the urge to throw in a comment about the backers of this project also being the guys selling Linux insurance...
:).
Why is it that when someone wants to make a point but doesn't want to look like they are, they just say something like this -- in effect, contradicting themself in the same sentence? I'm not blaming you; I do the same thing, but it's annoying to see it from someone other than myself