"The only difference is that one is frowned upon more". Really? Did you know gays and others like them can be denied housing, employment, and promotions LEGALLY! Did you know many Christian churches ban gays and a small number of churches are so prejudiced against them that they wish to have them killed as described in Leviticus?
So it is society's fault? Replace "gay sex" with "interracial sex" and "gay" with "black" and rewind the clock 60 years and see if your argument still makes sense! I strongly doubt it will!
Really? You equate a forced "outting" to hurting someone's feelings? Having your feelings hurt does not cause a millions to treat you like scum or worse. Clementi's secret was out. A secret that get hundreds beaten and a few killed every year in this country, and far worse elsewhere.
Actually I reasoned that Ravi taped his roommate with the intent of "outing" him and causing mental distress and I doubt he would've done this to Clementi if he didn't suspect Clementi was gay. The mental distress Clementi experienced is not something I can imagine. Often gays are subject to abuse and ridicule by so-called friends, strangers, authority figures, and even entire religious organizations and their own family, even in this day in age. They are still denied housing, employment, and promotions once "outted". It is not nice to know that even many religious leader would love to have you killed if it was legal.
Clementi must've known all of this and figured that "his life was over" at that point. Who am I to say he didn't have a point? What he experienced was a major life changing event. Some deal with it by leaving or transferring schools. Some deal with it by going to "safe areas" typically in larger cities. Some deal with it by standing up against injustice. Some deal with it by using alcohol and drugs. Some don't deal with it and kill themselves, like Clementi. How many, many others you never hear about killing themselves over this?
Yes, INTENT is what we must deal with. Since I think Ravi's intent was worse than "embarrassment" I don't think the punishment fit the crime. Ravi is totally unrepentant about his actions. Unfortunately Ravi cannot comprehend what he did to Clementi.
If you mean logic eliminates God then that is wrong for if you acknowledge you own existence God must exist for God is the essence of the existence. However if the question is whether this God is in the Judeo-Christian form, Islamic form, and/or any other religion's view of him, the answer is "Yes/No/Maybe" for such views are manmade. It is what we can understand, not what it actually is. If someone what to ask me "is God this way or that way" my answer is Yes. God is more than we can understand just as the universe is more than we can understand.
The problem with people that don't think analytically is that they tend to swallow whatever someone tells them. Analytical thought of God leads to uncertainty and uncertainty often leads to questioning and a loss of faith. But after that you might realize that what you know of God will always be uncertain and will need to be constantly questioned. Most people can't deal with the fact that all these questions lead to the conclusion of "we really don't know about this 'God/Universe/Nature of existence' stuff as well as we thought we did".
These aren't cops, they are rent-a-cop TSA "agents". This and many other so-called "agent" is simply acting like a meat robot. For some reason even some cops don't seem to understand that.
No, no, no! How else can the Federal Government control us in an Orwellian fashion? You know, the New American Government by the corporation for the corporation.
1. CO2 levels have been increasing.
2. CO2 is transparent in visible light.
3. CO2 is opaque in infrared light.
4. That trapping infrared light traps heat.
Why is it an "extreme position" that this increase in CO2 will cause a heating of our atmosphere called "global warming"? I would think any position that ignores one of these facts would be the "extreme position".
Amen! There is always room for the CS stars if they know where to look. Look for the cracks or niches that few businesses fill. If something is hard to use make it easy to use. If something is clunky then make it better. Even if you suck at finding niches go make a solution and then go look for problem it solves.
Amen! Because my timing and life circumstances were way off to get hired in the big firms I found smaller companies a little easier to work for and easier to get hired on. I would never work full time in a big firm if I can help it.
Actually employers, at least in the US, can ask these questions. Only if they don't hire you or take adverse actions against you then you can sue. Unfortunately it is not an criminal offense for employers to ask or to seek such information. Also you will have to have a lawyer to take your case to civil court, which is not always practical.
The easy way around that is to delete your Facebook account and leave a note with Facebook why you have deleted your account.
If enough people start doing this then Facebook will have no choice but to lobby Congress to make this action illegal and use deep pockets to smear any Congresscritter that doesn't play ball.
I suggest we don't discard the 800-lb gorilla, Facebook, that is willing to fight against this wrong with us simply because it is acting solely for it's own interest. Facebook may be the one ally we need to stop this insanity.
If you want to wait years and years for the perfect white knight to fight this battle with you then you have all but lost the war. Wait too long and this insane practice will become "industry standard".
I think you are grossly underestimating the abundance of stupidity multiplied by the question squelching authoritarian nature of law enforcement organizations. Even the most farcical instruction is more likely to be assimilated as "truth" to a bunch of people that are already somewhat programmed to follow orders from authority without too many questions. Go ahead and read about the Milgram's experiment on obedience and judge for yourself.
This is even more evidence that South Carolina is just plain weird and wacky. That's why North Carolina didn't want South Carolina or its people even back in Colonial times.
If you don't understand and you are not from South Carolina, just go there for a while and you will understand.
...hacking to get industrial secrets from China and giving it to domestic firms, maybe it is time to do so. At this rate China will be capable of rendering our Military IT network useless within the next 15 years.
I disagree. The official term should be "less lethal" weapons as opposed to firearms being "lethal" weapons. Any other name would seem like these weapons are almost never lethal. Used incorrectly or stupidly these devices WILL kill or at least cause extreme permanent damage. These devices are indeed dangerous and can be lethal in the wrong hands.
I bet the jailers in Gitmo can't wait to get their hands on that new pain gun. Imagine how much totally bogus information about our enemies we can extract with that device.
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"The only difference is that one is frowned upon more". Really? Did you know gays and others like them can be denied housing, employment, and promotions LEGALLY! Did you know many Christian churches ban gays and a small number of churches are so prejudiced against them that they wish to have them killed as described in Leviticus?
So it is society's fault? Replace "gay sex" with "interracial sex" and "gay" with "black" and rewind the clock 60 years and see if your argument still makes sense! I strongly doubt it will!
Really? You equate a forced "outting" to hurting someone's feelings? Having your feelings hurt does not cause a millions to treat you like scum or worse. Clementi's secret was out. A secret that get hundreds beaten and a few killed every year in this country, and far worse elsewhere.
Actually I reasoned that Ravi taped his roommate with the intent of "outing" him and causing mental distress and I doubt he would've done this to Clementi if he didn't suspect Clementi was gay. The mental distress Clementi experienced is not something I can imagine. Often gays are subject to abuse and ridicule by so-called friends, strangers, authority figures, and even entire religious organizations and their own family, even in this day in age. They are still denied housing, employment, and promotions once "outted". It is not nice to know that even many religious leader would love to have you killed if it was legal.
Clementi must've known all of this and figured that "his life was over" at that point. Who am I to say he didn't have a point? What he experienced was a major life changing event. Some deal with it by leaving or transferring schools. Some deal with it by going to "safe areas" typically in larger cities. Some deal with it by standing up against injustice. Some deal with it by using alcohol and drugs. Some don't deal with it and kill themselves, like Clementi. How many, many others you never hear about killing themselves over this?
Yes, INTENT is what we must deal with. Since I think Ravi's intent was worse than "embarrassment" I don't think the punishment fit the crime. Ravi is totally unrepentant about his actions. Unfortunately Ravi cannot comprehend what he did to Clementi.
If you believe in your own existence then the flying spaghetti monster must exist.
As times we are all tools, right?
Amen brother!
If you mean logic eliminates God then that is wrong for if you acknowledge you own existence God must exist for God is the essence of the existence. However if the question is whether this God is in the Judeo-Christian form, Islamic form, and/or any other religion's view of him, the answer is "Yes/No/Maybe" for such views are manmade. It is what we can understand, not what it actually is. If someone what to ask me "is God this way or that way" my answer is Yes. God is more than we can understand just as the universe is more than we can understand.
The problem with people that don't think analytically is that they tend to swallow whatever someone tells them. Analytical thought of God leads to uncertainty and uncertainty often leads to questioning and a loss of faith. But after that you might realize that what you know of God will always be uncertain and will need to be constantly questioned. Most people can't deal with the fact that all these questions lead to the conclusion of "we really don't know about this 'God/Universe/Nature of existence' stuff as well as we thought we did".
These aren't cops, they are rent-a-cop TSA "agents". This and many other so-called "agent" is simply acting like a meat robot. For some reason even some cops don't seem to understand that.
No, no, no! How else can the Federal Government control us in an Orwellian fashion? You know, the New American Government by the corporation for the corporation.
Given that:
1. CO2 levels have been increasing.
2. CO2 is transparent in visible light.
3. CO2 is opaque in infrared light.
4. That trapping infrared light traps heat.
Why is it an "extreme position" that this increase in CO2 will cause a heating of our atmosphere called "global warming"? I would think any position that ignores one of these facts would be the "extreme position".
Amen! There is always room for the CS stars if they know where to look. Look for the cracks or niches that few businesses fill. If something is hard to use make it easy to use. If something is clunky then make it better. Even if you suck at finding niches go make a solution and then go look for problem it solves.
Amen! Because my timing and life circumstances were way off to get hired in the big firms I found smaller companies a little easier to work for and easier to get hired on. I would never work full time in a big firm if I can help it.
Actually employers, at least in the US, can ask these questions. Only if they don't hire you or take adverse actions against you then you can sue. Unfortunately it is not an criminal offense for employers to ask or to seek such information. Also you will have to have a lawyer to take your case to civil court, which is not always practical.
I think Coward means any private company, since we usually don't talk about government agencies as companies.
I could only wish!
The easy way around that is to delete your Facebook account and leave a note with Facebook why you have deleted your account.
If enough people start doing this then Facebook will have no choice but to lobby Congress to make this action illegal and use deep pockets to smear any Congresscritter that doesn't play ball.
I suggest we don't discard the 800-lb gorilla, Facebook, that is willing to fight against this wrong with us simply because it is acting solely for it's own interest. Facebook may be the one ally we need to stop this insanity.
If you want to wait years and years for the perfect white knight to fight this battle with you then you have all but lost the war. Wait too long and this insane practice will become "industry standard".
I think you are grossly underestimating the abundance of stupidity multiplied by the question squelching authoritarian nature of law enforcement organizations. Even the most farcical instruction is more likely to be assimilated as "truth" to a bunch of people that are already somewhat programmed to follow orders from authority without too many questions. Go ahead and read about the Milgram's experiment on obedience and judge for yourself.
Why do investment managers need to know how to code HTML? With Facebook and LinkedIn why would the average Joe need a web page?
Not if he moves out of the town or out of the state.
This is even more evidence that South Carolina is just plain weird and wacky. That's why North Carolina didn't want South Carolina or its people even back in Colonial times.
If you don't understand and you are not from South Carolina, just go there for a while and you will understand.
...hacking to get industrial secrets from China and giving it to domestic firms, maybe it is time to do so. At this rate China will be capable of rendering our Military IT network useless within the next 15 years.
I disagree. The official term should be "less lethal" weapons as opposed to firearms being "lethal" weapons. Any other name would seem like these weapons are almost never lethal. Used incorrectly or stupidly these devices WILL kill or at least cause extreme permanent damage. These devices are indeed dangerous and can be lethal in the wrong hands.
I bet the jailers in Gitmo can't wait to get their hands on that new pain gun. Imagine how much totally bogus information about our enemies we can extract with that device.
Next we will have the government using this technology to create "agonizers" and "agony booths" Star Trek style as in the episode "Mirror, Mirror".
Doesn't everyone know that almost all new programming languages are dialects of C or Visual Basic?