I agree. If the website doesn't bother to serve proper web pages to javascript disabled browsers, then it is not really worth it.
I'm not sure if that's true when you are using noscript. Certainly for flashblock it isn't true, because the site identifies your browser as being able to run flash.
In other words, they might have a flash and a non flash version, but they serve you the full flash version cause you *are* flash enabled, just blocked. With noscript you might get a javascript page, even though you block it. Of course that depends on how they implement the degradation of service, some websites will do it right.
That's apart from the fact that your assume that bad web programming means bad content. That's not the case. If I want to go to a site cause using it is beneficial to me, then I want to use it, whether they have smart or dumb people coding it.
I know I've found that with noscript I find myself constantly managing permissions, instead of browsing. Flashblock is a little less annoying, but obviously less complete in its blocking.
You set the permissions for sites that you visit often, and you never have to set them again. Most sites that you visit to once or twice don't need scripts to load (if it's a news site for example), so you don't have to set the permission, and simply leave it. If it saves me from a frame that loads a malicious script from another site (which it has done a couple of times now), then I'm more than happy to allow/disallow certain sites from running scripts in my browser. Especially those damn advertising companies.
and I hate to break it to you but there are plenty of times I have shifted a laptop around substantially while burning a disc. Usually that worked out just fine.
Duh, that's because the discs spin in the other direction when you're burning -- don't you know anything about physics?
DN: hai r u awake?? im wrkn, ths guys missn heaps of his arm, wwyd?
MT: lol sup? tru tru... kk well ur guna need 2 do a 4 1/4 amp. req rm of the cola bone n shlda blde.
DN: yea nm nm...... ok so txt me how
MT: ok is he there now?
DN: no im at home
MT: txt me wen u get there k?
I think one of the greatest games to EVER be released would have to be Grim Fandango. It's packed with an awesome story, along with some beautiful scenery and voice acting that I'm still yet to see outdone in any games over the past 10 years. If anyone else reading this hasn't played the game, then I high recommend you go out and find it (or stay inside and find it online). For those unfamiliar with it, it plays in the same sort of style as Monkey Island.
Seriously, check it out. They've just recently released the original design document, it's worth checking it out (They've taken the original story down... But Kotaku's mirror is still available)
Well you obviously didn't read the rest of my post when I clearly pointed out:
Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects
The trouble is, I see a lot of kids who say they know a lot about technology, they're interested in gadgets and high tech gear, but when it comes down to actually being able to google for something, or to trouble shoot software when an unexpected error occurs, or even something as simple as going through the options in a program to see what you can change/customize -- these sort of things are beyond the average Australian. Don't be naive and believe that the rest of the country who loves only sports and hot women, are like your friends who enjoy IT and are IT savvy. I don't want to burst your bubble, but a lot of Australians are very shallow, and generally very "sheepish".
Don't get me wrong, I want to see this country thrive and strive with it's IT industry just as much as you do, but it only takes 5 minutes to step into any Government workplace to realise that most of them have no clue beyond checking emails in Outlook and reading news sites in Internet Explorer.
The point that they're playing on the fact that the majority of Australians have no idea how technology works, nor do they have any understanding about the terminology behind it. Simple things like you mention to someone, "I use a 512k connection" -- they would assume that you would be downloading at 512kb/s, not 1/8th of that.
Couple this with the fact that IT has always been the sort of subject that kids used to figure out ways to get around their schools proxy (so they can waste time on bebo at school instead of actually hanging out with their friends), rather than learning how a computer works.
This is also the reason why Australians get sucked into those stupid Nigerian scams so easy -- because a lot of us don't use common sense. Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects, it just seems to be that because our Government has no idea how the series of tubes works, the rest of the country hasn't really taken any interest. Discussion about things like the proposed internet filter are great for the general public, because it gives them a chance to understand how intricate the internet and networking in general is...
Or they roll your eyes at you and put their iPod headphones back in -- they won't have to worry about security with Web 2.0.
Sure, most of us probably have a FF install on a USB key somewhere, but what about the people who just bought their computer from the store? This'll drive them insane just like the "Keyboard error. Press any key to continue" error.
It's quite obvious, he was bitten by a radioactive spider and grew the extra arms. Then he found out how expensive fuel was going to be in 2008 and killed himself hundreds of thousands of years in advance.
Everyone knows? Can you explain to me why I was at a party last night (that's shocking enough for starters), and when the filter topic was brought up (this party was full of really hot chicks as you can tell), one of the guys turns around and says, "But all they're doing is banning anorexia and euthanasia sites..."
This is the general thought behind the Australian community because they read sites like news.com.au which spin that type of media bullshit:) The only thing that we can do would be to start spreading the words ourself, http://nocleanfeed.com/
All this stuff seems to happen right around the time Microsoft decided that they were no longer going to be calling their directories "My Documents" and "My Computer"... Go figure.
That's practically the complete opposite of Australia. We are given monthly download limits (on most ISPs and adsl(2) connections), but are free to upload as much as we want. It's just such a shame that most Aussies are such leechers:(
This sounds familiar...
"You are trying to send an email,
Allow/Deny"
But when you "geekify" it (add some maths), it makes it acceptable. Maybe if this is popular enough, we'll see it in the next version of Windows? Can't wait!
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I agree. If the website doesn't bother to serve proper web pages to javascript disabled browsers, then it is not really worth it.
I'm not sure if that's true when you are using noscript. Certainly for flashblock it isn't true, because the site identifies your browser as being able to run flash.
In other words, they might have a flash and a non flash version, but they serve you the full flash version cause you *are* flash enabled, just blocked. With noscript you might get a javascript page, even though you block it. Of course that depends on how they implement the degradation of service, some websites will do it right.
That's apart from the fact that your assume that bad web programming means bad content. That's not the case. If I want to go to a site cause using it is beneficial to me, then I want to use it, whether they have smart or dumb people coding it.
I know I've found that with noscript I find myself constantly managing permissions, instead of browsing. Flashblock is a little less annoying, but obviously less complete in its blocking.
You set the permissions for sites that you visit often, and you never have to set them again. Most sites that you visit to once or twice don't need scripts to load (if it's a news site for example), so you don't have to set the permission, and simply leave it. If it saves me from a frame that loads a malicious script from another site (which it has done a couple of times now), then I'm more than happy to allow/disallow certain sites from running scripts in my browser. Especially those damn advertising companies.
this?
'Cuz it kind of sounds like FATALITY!
>:)
I see... an Asteroids-esque space ship during reentry.
That's about as stupid as the time that I read someone on /. saying that 4:3 looks like a guy in a paperhat...
Oh, now I see it.
Nintendo, Link, it's all the same to me.
and I hate to break it to you but there are plenty of times I have shifted a laptop around substantially while burning a disc. Usually that worked out just fine.
Duh, that's because the discs spin in the other direction when you're burning -- don't you know anything about physics?
They're still very, very drunk.
DN: hai r u awake?? im wrkn, ths guys missn heaps of his arm, wwyd?
MT: lol sup? tru tru... kk well ur guna need 2 do a 4 1/4 amp. req rm of the cola bone n shlda blde.
DN: yea nm nm...... ok so txt me how
MT: ok is he there now?
DN: no im at home
MT: txt me wen u get there k?
I think one of the greatest games to EVER be released would have to be Grim Fandango. It's packed with an awesome story, along with some beautiful scenery and voice acting that I'm still yet to see outdone in any games over the past 10 years. If anyone else reading this hasn't played the game, then I high recommend you go out and find it (or stay inside and find it online). For those unfamiliar with it, it plays in the same sort of style as Monkey Island.
Seriously, check it out. They've just recently released the original design document, it's worth checking it out (They've taken the original story down... But Kotaku's mirror is still available)
http://kotaku.com/5077780/tim-shafer-publishes-original-grim-fandango-design-doc
CARRIER LOST? For a second there I thought you said candlejack. You know, the g-
Well you obviously didn't read the rest of my post when I clearly pointed out:
Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects
The trouble is, I see a lot of kids who say they know a lot about technology, they're interested in gadgets and high tech gear, but when it comes down to actually being able to google for something, or to trouble shoot software when an unexpected error occurs, or even something as simple as going through the options in a program to see what you can change/customize -- these sort of things are beyond the average Australian. Don't be naive and believe that the rest of the country who loves only sports and hot women, are like your friends who enjoy IT and are IT savvy. I don't want to burst your bubble, but a lot of Australians are very shallow, and generally very "sheepish".
Don't get me wrong, I want to see this country thrive and strive with it's IT industry just as much as you do, but it only takes 5 minutes to step into any Government workplace to realise that most of them have no clue beyond checking emails in Outlook and reading news sites in Internet Explorer.
The point that they're playing on the fact that the majority of Australians have no idea how technology works, nor do they have any understanding about the terminology behind it. Simple things like you mention to someone, "I use a 512k connection" -- they would assume that you would be downloading at 512kb/s, not 1/8th of that.
Couple this with the fact that IT has always been the sort of subject that kids used to figure out ways to get around their schools proxy (so they can waste time on bebo at school instead of actually hanging out with their friends), rather than learning how a computer works.
This is also the reason why Australians get sucked into those stupid Nigerian scams so easy -- because a lot of us don't use common sense. Not saying that Australia is alone in any of these aspects, it just seems to be that because our Government has no idea how the series of tubes works, the rest of the country hasn't really taken any interest. Discussion about things like the proposed internet filter are great for the general public, because it gives them a chance to understand how intricate the internet and networking in general is...
Or they roll your eyes at you and put their iPod headphones back in -- they won't have to worry about security with Web 2.0.
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I just got thinking. So let's say Microsoft doesn't include the new IE in it's next Operating System -- how do you get it?
"Sorry, you do not have Internet Explorer installed. To download, please visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/"
Sure, most of us probably have a FF install on a USB key somewhere, but what about the people who just bought their computer from the store? This'll drive them insane just like the "Keyboard error. Press any key to continue" error.
Besides, this is definite proof that Goro from Mortal Kombat existed at some time:
http://mkw.mortalkombatonline.com/mka/goro/cutout.png
It's quite obvious, he was bitten by a radioactive spider and grew the extra arms. Then he found out how expensive fuel was going to be in 2008 and killed himself hundreds of thousands of years in advance.
Either that, or The Simpsons was right...
Actually, the average age of gamers in Australia is 30:
http://au.gamespot.com/news/6200065.html
Everyone knows? Can you explain to me why I was at a party last night (that's shocking enough for starters), and when the filter topic was brought up (this party was full of really hot chicks as you can tell), one of the guys turns around and says, "But all they're doing is banning anorexia and euthanasia sites..."
:) The only thing that we can do would be to start spreading the words ourself, http://nocleanfeed.com/
This is the general thought behind the Australian community because they read sites like news.com.au which spin that type of media bullshit
All this stuff seems to happen right around the time Microsoft decided that they were no longer going to be calling their directories "My Documents" and "My Computer"... Go figure.
That's practically the complete opposite of Australia. We are given monthly download limits (on most ISPs and adsl(2) connections), but are free to upload as much as we want. It's just such a shame that most Aussies are such leechers :(
I'd hate to think what the BBW generation is going to dream about...
This sounds familiar... "You are trying to send an email, Allow/Deny" But when you "geekify" it (add some maths), it makes it acceptable. Maybe if this is popular enough, we'll see it in the next version of Windows? Can't wait!
I was born in late 1986, you insensitive clod!
What a coincidence... I lost my virginity in early 1986!
Mom?!
There's already such thing as co-operative pinball -- it's called Friend 1 takes the left flipper and Friend 2 takes the right flipper.
Uh I think that was the point.
Short answer no, long answer yes.