Whenever you sell a product in the real world, you are forced to hold it to certain standards. Most shareware has clauses though to exempt it from any warranty claims. Many shareware authors absolutely refuse to take the time to offer support too.
By this definition Windows NT is shareware (warranty excemption in the license).
As another poster said: Bob instead gets a copy from Alice. Not to mention that "people who see Alice use the program" is a too narrow market segment for her use to be considered as "promoting".
It seems that a lot of software pirates believe in the fallacy that there actually are an infinite number of customers for every product. People, that's just a THEORETICAL element of the free market.
I am glad I work in a company where each product has one customer who pays the whole cost. We actually get to sell our software.
While it sounds very cool, it is way too expensive - you can get 40 GB hard drive for 67$ in retail, NIC for 10$ in retail and all those other adapters and perhipals for 40$..in retail... so their hardware cost like 60$ max...
Apart from your math skills, I think you're ignoring that the PS2 is not a PC cabinet. So you need a disk cabinet, connectors for either USB or i.Link, etc. etc...
I strongly doubt you can purchase a stock $67 IDE drive and make the PS2 see it in any way.
Now I'd like to get out of the system, because I don't trust it to be secure, but because I've forgotten my password, I can't.
Sure, just wait for a quantum event, like this one (from their agreement):
"Microsoft reserves the right, in its sole discretion, to terminate your access to the Passport Services or any portion thereof at any time, without notice."
But you're correct that the agreement doesn't open for you, the consumer, to end the contract. Surely that must be against some contract law somewhere?
Go to the Passport site (http://www.passport.com [passport.com])
I'd love to, but they "no longer" support the latest version of Opera 6.0 for Windows. I guess I'm stuck with sites that comply with standards instead of joining the Borg Collective.
Luckily (in a manner of speaking), it was easy to trick it into believing I was MSIE (through Opera's "identify as" feature). It's just sad that feature needs to exist, but that belongs in a different thread.
However, if they allowed a trial period, I could make my decision before shelling out the money and then return it to the store if I didn't like it.
At least Anarchy Online lets you download the game and try it for seven days before they start charging you (so remember to cancel before the seven days are up if you don't like it). I think Lineage has a "tryout" as well.
I expect other companies will take this approach later on.
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Now the tables have turned and the gamers will have to pay to win instead of win to get cash.
Except in MMORPGs, there is no way to "win". You can reach the highest level or advance skills to their max, but there is no victory/goal except that which you invent for yourself (like getting an Atlan weapon before level 15 in Asheron's Call, getting the highest PvP-title in Anarchy Online).
That's about as helpful as saying the reels that the movie theaters play are chemicals.
The point is that even if the movie is surrounded by lots of extra stuff that acts as software, it doesn't change that the customer's main PURPOSE of purchasing the disc is to watch a movie. That there is a CPU in their DVD player is irrelevant to the average consumer, and should remain so: A proper consumer electronics device requires as little knowledge of its internals as possible to operate.
Well, for developer tools, both Borland's JBuilder (100% Java except the launcher since version 3.5) and TogetherSoft's Control Center (UML and lots of other things) could be considered successes.
(.NET Beta 2 CLI is faster than the MS JVM - arguably the fastest in existence).
What are you smoking? The MS VM is fast for an 1.1.x VM, but Java has moved miles since then: Sun's Hotspot technology makes JRE 1.3.1 fly, and IBM makes a very fast one, too.
Here is one example, on Solaris, if one thread is doing a blocking read and another thread interrupts the first thread, it will succeed. On NT, the second thread appear to succeed in interrupting the thread but in fact it doesn't.
So what you're saying is: Java could have been write once run anywhere if it weren't for those pesky native elements underneath it.:-)
So, out of 1.5 million units, a few hundred are bad. As the article even states, this is in line with the industry average, even compared to Nintendo who has more console building experience than anyone else in the market hands-down.
It's not the quality of the machine, but of the customer service that's the focus here. You're trying to shift focus away from the real problem by claiming we're discussing a different problem.
What I have here at home (not at work) is an installed copy of JBuilder 3 Professional, which I clearly remember checking since I was surprised at the speed.
Yes, in JBuilder 3, about 20% (meaning the editor part) was not written in Java, but the remaining 80% are.
Guess what? No "pure java" there, either, my blabbering friend
You're an idiot who thinks that having platform-specific launchers (the jbuilder(w).exes in the bin directory) makes the IDE itself not written all in Java. Try installing it under Linux or Solaris to see.
As for C#, I am not going to bother. Microsoft lost it's java case against Sun and now it is acting like a spoiled little baby and releasing it's own technology. I don't know anyone interested in learning it--especially given Microsoft's track record with propritary technology. I doubt C# will ever be public domain.
Actually, it would be interesting for people accustomed to Delphi: Java is "Simplified C++ with a useful library", C# is "Simplified C++ with Delphi-like extensions".
The "javac" program that ships with the JDK is such a program...
Well, formally it's just a shell/executable which starts the VM using sun.tools.compiler.Main (or whatever) as an application class. This class is the main entry point of the classes which are the compiler application.
Think you'll be able to bring one of these aboards an airplane
Why not? We're talking about an industry which lets people bring on board practically unbounded amounts of tax-free vodka and whatnot - in litres, mot millilitres like in the laptop example.
Not only that but they have shown that they have NO interest in EVER Open Sourcing Java.
Why should they? It's only ONE implementation of many, and as e.g. IBM has shown, it's not even the best. It's like demaniding that AT&T must "open-source" their C++ compiler in order for GCC to exist.
If you want an open-source JVM and compiler suite, you are free to write them, but it's not a requirement that it must be Sun's implementation any more than any C++ compiler for Windows must be based on Microsoft Visual C++.
Python and C# are going to give you a REAL run for your money SUN.
Um, no. Not at all. Or do you really believe that the hundreds of large companies who write Java software are going to switch languages and lose all the mature libs that exist for Java?
C# is an IEEE standard as well as the CLR.
It has been SUBMITTED to the ECMA (not IEEE), but I'd like to see link to info that it actually has been APPROVED as a standard. The last spec document I saw had the entire chapter on exceptions missing, for instance.
And it's not like it has helped Smalltalk, Ada or CLOS that they are standardized.
Open Source license the JVM.
Why? Why can't the OSS community (if such a thing really exists) write one from scratch, like they have for practically everything else?
Fine. I am just going to use C#.
You are for all practical purposes saying you're going to use Windows, then.
This might come as a shock to you, but there really is no point in furthering the "cryptification" of words just because at some point in the distant past, there were systems which apparently had a limitation of three characters at the end of something.
Ppl prf rdn ful wds not abr chs rnd.
Do you also have all your HTML pages end in.htm? How MICROS~1.
erm... two computers on a network so you dont have to crowd around one split screen TV?
Yes, that makes perfect sense: Two EXPENSIVE and LARGE computers instead of ONE cheap and small, and two controllers. While you are out wasting your money, would you like this plot of lunar landscape?
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By this definition Windows NT is shareware (warranty excemption in the license).
As another poster said: Bob instead gets a copy from Alice. Not to mention that "people who see Alice use the program" is a too narrow market segment for her use to be considered as "promoting".
It seems that a lot of software pirates believe in the fallacy that there actually are an infinite number of customers for every product. People, that's just a THEORETICAL element of the free market.
I am glad I work in a company where each product has one customer who pays the whole cost. We actually get to sell our software.
Apart from your math skills, I think you're ignoring that the PS2 is not a PC cabinet. So you need a disk cabinet, connectors for either USB or i.Link, etc. etc...
I strongly doubt you can purchase a stock $67 IDE drive and make the PS2 see it in any way.
Sure, just wait for a quantum event, like this one (from their agreement):
But you're correct that the agreement doesn't open for you, the consumer, to end the contract. Surely that must be against some contract law somewhere?
I'd love to, but they "no longer" support the latest version of Opera 6.0 for Windows. I guess I'm stuck with sites that comply with standards instead of joining the Borg Collective.
Luckily (in a manner of speaking), it was easy to trick it into believing I was MSIE (through Opera's "identify as" feature). It's just sad that feature needs to exist, but that belongs in a different thread.
Well, HP is a "co-signer" on the C# spec that was submittetd to ECMA, so I guess they want to see a conforming implementation. :-P
At least Anarchy Online lets you download the game and try it for seven days before they start charging you (so remember to cancel before the seven days are up if you don't like it). I think Lineage has a "tryout" as well.
I expect other companies will take this approach later on.
Except in MMORPGs, there is no way to "win". You can reach the highest level or advance skills to their max, but there is no victory/goal except that which you invent for yourself (like getting an Atlan weapon before level 15 in Asheron's Call, getting the highest PvP-title in Anarchy Online).
That's about as helpful as saying the reels that the movie theaters play are chemicals.
The point is that even if the movie is surrounded by lots of extra stuff that acts as software, it doesn't change that the customer's main PURPOSE of purchasing the disc is to watch a movie. That there is a CPU in their DVD player is irrelevant to the average consumer, and should remain so: A proper consumer electronics device requires as little knowledge of its internals as possible to operate.
Well, for developer tools, both Borland's JBuilder (100% Java except the launcher since version 3.5) and TogetherSoft's Control Center (UML and lots of other things) could be considered successes.
(.NET Beta 2 CLI is faster than the MS JVM - arguably the fastest in existence).
What are you smoking? The MS VM is fast for an 1.1.x VM, but Java has moved miles since then: Sun's Hotspot technology makes JRE 1.3.1 fly, and IBM makes a very fast one, too.
So what you're saying is: Java could have been write once run anywhere if it weren't for those pesky native elements underneath it. :-)
Rayman Advance and Klonoa: Empire of Dreams score on both counts.
It's not the quality of the machine, but of the customer service that's the focus here. You're trying to shift focus away from the real problem by claiming we're discussing a different problem.
Yes, in JBuilder 3, about 20% (meaning the editor part) was not written in Java, but the remaining 80% are.
Guess what? No "pure java" there, either, my blabbering friend
You're an idiot who thinks that having platform-specific launchers (the jbuilder(w).exes in the bin directory) makes the IDE itself not written all in Java. Try installing it under Linux or Solaris to see.
Actually, it would be interesting for people accustomed to Delphi: Java is "Simplified C++ with a useful library", C# is "Simplified C++ with Delphi-like extensions".
Well, formally it's just a shell/executable which starts the VM using sun.tools.compiler.Main (or whatever) as an application class. This class is the main entry point of the classes which are the compiler application.
PS2 with the in-box supplied terrible video lead: Yes.
PS2 with a high-quality S-video or RGB lead: No.
Why not? We're talking about an industry which lets people bring on board practically unbounded amounts of tax-free vodka and whatnot - in litres, mot millilitres like in the laptop example.
Because the only person who cared for the project went to work for Instantiations.
Why should they? It's only ONE implementation of many, and as e.g. IBM has shown, it's not even the best. It's like demaniding that AT&T must "open-source" their C++ compiler in order for GCC to exist.
If you want an open-source JVM and compiler suite, you are free to write them, but it's not a requirement that it must be Sun's implementation any more than any C++ compiler for Windows must be based on Microsoft Visual C++.
Python and C# are going to give you a REAL run for your money SUN.
Um, no. Not at all. Or do you really believe that the hundreds of large companies who write Java software are going to switch languages and lose all the mature libs that exist for Java?
C# is an IEEE standard as well as the CLR.
It has been SUBMITTED to the ECMA (not IEEE), but I'd like to see link to info that it actually has been APPROVED as a standard. The last spec document I saw had the entire chapter on exceptions missing, for instance.
And it's not like it has helped Smalltalk, Ada or CLOS that they are standardized.
Open Source license the JVM.
Why? Why can't the OSS community (if such a thing really exists) write one from scratch, like they have for practically everything else?
Fine. I am just going to use C#.
You are for all practical purposes saying you're going to use Windows, then.
This might come as a shock to you, but there really is no point in furthering the "cryptification" of words just because at some point in the distant past, there were systems which apparently had a limitation of three characters at the end of something.
Ppl prf rdn ful wds not abr chs rnd.
Do you also have all your HTML pages end in .htm? How MICROS~1.
In a world where 99% of .com domains aren't worthy of their domain? Complain about realproblems instead.
Yeah, we could call it... MSX! Point is, it's been tried before, and failed then.
Yes, that makes perfect sense: Two EXPENSIVE and LARGE computers instead of ONE cheap and small, and two controllers. While you are out wasting your money, would you like this plot of lunar landscape?
"Nov 8 1:30am EST- The downloads are temporarily unavailable.
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Due to overwhelming demand for Eclipse, we are moving the Eclipse
SDK R1.0 and 2.0 development stream downloads to a faster internet connection..."
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