The label is offering an inferior product to the pirated version.
How does that figure? Right now, they're precisely the same product; nobody but the band yet has access to anything except 160kbit/s MP3s of In Rainbows.
No, it's more like people will take anything they can. 's human nature.
In the UK there's a law that says you can keep stuff that's sent to you without you ordering it.
Only if the people who sent it didn't ask for it back.
(As an aside, I got a copy of Office 2000 Premium that way... just got home one day and found a fully boxed, shrinkwrapped copy of Office. Was a nice surprise, at least...:)
Indeed. I got me an O2 XDA, does just about everything the iPhone can (with the addition of a microSD card, of course...) and more. And it was free with my contract. Yeah, it's not as trendy, yeah, it's Windows Mobile, but it works for me. Wouldn't touch an iPhone to save my life.
Sorry but the law wasn't written to handle the technology that is now creating this issue. It was written to combat the for-profit distribution of infringed items which the RIAA seem to be mostly ignoring.
No, copyright law wasn't written for technology that allows practically perfect copies of music to be distributed to thousands of people in a ridiculously short space of time for no financial compensation whatsoever to the people who actually invested money and time in its production. That this technology exists is not an argument against the RIAA or copyright law in general. What you seem to be arguing for is "the technology to do X exists, so let people do it and bugger the consequences".
What?! "I don't agree with the decision, so those that made it are paid for." Right.
That's a bad line of reasoning, especially if you start to go down the slippery slope of seeing everything that goes against your personal worldview as having been a result of corruption.
Wow that's hilarious! It's funny because one time, Steve Ballmer danced around and chanted, and this other time he threw a chair! Wow! Incredible potential for original, never before seen humour there. Oh shit, there go my sides.
1: Technically possible, and desirable, but unlikely. AllofMp3 did on-the fly transcoding, so it's very possible. 2: A lovely idea, but would be fairly unwieldy in practise. Imagine the diversity of record contracts and their terms. 3: Would kick your sales figures in the nuts. Just about anything which needs to be sold needs to be marketed. Supermarkets advertise their prices, toilet paper companies advertise how much better it feels wiping your ass with brand X than brand Y, music companies have adverts, music videos and radio. EMI would be insane to just wipe out marketing at a stroke; word of mouth is effective, but until you have enough people buying a record to have word of mouth, you need to let people know it exists, and not just let it be another CD in a rack of thousands. 4: EMI already *do* diversify. They release everything between and including Pink Floyd and Kylie Minogue. 5: OK, fair point. 6: Again, fair point, although for EMI to do it out of step with all the other labels would annoy some listeners. 7: Until we know the results of the Radiohead thing, we won't know for sure how well that will work. There are enough people who download music because it's free/because they don't like giving money to labels (regardless of the ethics (or lack of) of not paying) to make such a venture, at the least, unprofitable.
There is a valid reason why the studios go after BT users instead of commercial DVD pirates; your "one copy" can very rapidly become "many" copies over BitTorrent. As more people download and simultaneously upload, the growth in the number of copies floating around can get quite damn close to exponential, and certainly can quite quickly outstrip the number of copies a pirate DVD seller could sell in a day.
The end result for the movie studios is precisely the same; people get their work for free. With BitTorrent and other P2P networks, however, the number of people who get that same work for free is drastically increased. For example, for Ratatouille on Mininova there's around 2000 seeds *just for the most popular torrent*! No pirate DVD seller could match that volume.
If the payouts are higher for BT than street selling, it is for that simple reason; a pirate DVD seller couldn't match the amount of infringement committed by a few dedicated BT seeders, resulting in a theoretically higher loss for the studios. However, considering the (I think a bit bogus) argument that BT downloaders wouldn't have paid to see movies anyway, I'll leave that well alone.;)
The RIAA has a bunch of IP address data, and some username stuff, but they habeus no corpus because of a conveniently dead hard drive.
Hello, I am your friendly neighbourhood pedant. The lack of evidence has no link to habeus corpus, even ignoring the poor use of Latin grammar there. The writ of habeus corpus simply means that you should be tried in court, and has nothing to do with evidence or the lack thereof.
It's like it's his little personal toy that he just loves to show off to anyone, anywhere, but that nobody else really cares much about.
Obvious double entendres aside, I use Cover Flow, mainly cos it's purdy. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Wouldn't be using a Mac if I wasn't a sucker for shinies:P
As far as I'm concerned, it's no real loss, to be honest.
Leopard looks to me to be quite a disappointing update. Not only did Apple completely cast out the refined Aqua look and feel in favour of something that looks like Windows Vista beat Front Row over the head, but there's nothing much I'm excited about (a backup utility? whoopee-fuck. multiple desktops? excuse me while i soil myself...) and indeed a lot I'm more apprehensive about (the iTunes finder with Cover Flow...jesus wept). I think I'll be sticking with Tiger a bit longer; it's a shame Apple diverted attention from what could have been a fantastic new release of OS X onto the glitzy, crippled fashion accessory that is the iPhone.
I'll probably get modded to hell and back, but Leopard is rapidly becoming Apple's version of Vista. Just like Vista, Leopard will be mostly under the hood changes and a few piffling new features, and a whole new look which goes for all out eye candy but simply doesn't match the elegance of what went before. I'm sure the XPostFacto guys will whip something up for all those G4/3 users in the mean time though...
I was waiting for someone to mention House, it does seem like natural geek TV. I wasn't expecting to like it, thinking it would be more E.R. style mawk, but Laurie's one-liners and general misanthropy, plus some genuinely interesting cases and moral dilemmas handily saved it from that. Can't wait til Season 4 starts...
The commercial "community" doesn't exactly have the best track record developing complex GUI intensive applications... Windows and MacOSX both have... issues... in particular the fact that there are two desktops in the first place fragmenting application development and massively duplicating effort.
Bollocks. Windows, Mac OS X and Linux are seperate operating systems. Windows has one GUI, the Explorer/Aero GUI, with standardised APIs (and of course a few LiteStep type thingies). Mac OS X has precisely one GUI, with the Cocoa/NeXTstep APIs. And Linux has, off the top of my head, bare X11/Athena, TcL/Tk, KDE, GNOME, GTK1, GNUstep... and so on.
As far as standardisation and unification goes, the commercial OSes have it sussed.
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The label is offering an inferior product to the pirated version.
How does that figure? Right now, they're precisely the same product; nobody but the band yet has access to anything except 160kbit/s MP3s of In Rainbows.
No, it's more like people will take anything they can. 's human nature.
In the UK there's a law that says you can keep stuff that's sent to you without you ordering it.
:)
Only if the people who sent it didn't ask for it back.
(As an aside, I got a copy of Office 2000 Premium that way... just got home one day and found a fully boxed, shrinkwrapped copy of Office. Was a nice surprise, at least...
Listen, guys; if I wanted to read Fark, I'd go there.
XKCD IS A GEEK COMIC. WE ARE ALL GEEKS. We read it. We get it. It needs no further advertisement.
Honestly.
Indeed. I got me an O2 XDA, does just about everything the iPhone can (with the addition of a microSD card, of course...) and more. And it was free with my contract. Yeah, it's not as trendy, yeah, it's Windows Mobile, but it works for me. Wouldn't touch an iPhone to save my life.
Sorry but the law wasn't written to handle the technology that is now creating this issue. It was written to combat the for-profit distribution of infringed items which the RIAA seem to be mostly ignoring.
No, copyright law wasn't written for technology that allows practically perfect copies of music to be distributed to thousands of people in a ridiculously short space of time for no financial compensation whatsoever to the people who actually invested money and time in its production. That this technology exists is not an argument against the RIAA or copyright law in general. What you seem to be arguing for is "the technology to do X exists, so let people do it and bugger the consequences".
What?! "I don't agree with the decision, so those that made it are paid for." Right.
That's a bad line of reasoning, especially if you start to go down the slippery slope of seeing everything that goes against your personal worldview as having been a result of corruption.
Please, God (or other available deity), strike these litigious dumbasses with your holy fire/hammer/lightning from the sky (as appropriate).
You forgot "noodle".
Wow that's hilarious! It's funny because one time, Steve Ballmer danced around and chanted, and this other time he threw a chair! Wow! Incredible potential for original, never before seen humour there. Oh shit, there go my sides.
1: Technically possible, and desirable, but unlikely. AllofMp3 did on-the fly transcoding, so it's very possible.
2: A lovely idea, but would be fairly unwieldy in practise. Imagine the diversity of record contracts and their terms.
3: Would kick your sales figures in the nuts. Just about anything which needs to be sold needs to be marketed. Supermarkets advertise their prices, toilet paper companies advertise how much better it feels wiping your ass with brand X than brand Y, music companies have adverts, music videos and radio. EMI would be insane to just wipe out marketing at a stroke; word of mouth is effective, but until you have enough people buying a record to have word of mouth, you need to let people know it exists, and not just let it be another CD in a rack of thousands.
4: EMI already *do* diversify. They release everything between and including Pink Floyd and Kylie Minogue.
5: OK, fair point.
6: Again, fair point, although for EMI to do it out of step with all the other labels would annoy some listeners.
7: Until we know the results of the Radiohead thing, we won't know for sure how well that will work. There are enough people who download music because it's free/because they don't like giving money to labels (regardless of the ethics (or lack of) of not paying) to make such a venture, at the least, unprofitable.
There is a valid reason why the studios go after BT users instead of commercial DVD pirates; your "one copy" can very rapidly become "many" copies over BitTorrent. As more people download and simultaneously upload, the growth in the number of copies floating around can get quite damn close to exponential, and certainly can quite quickly outstrip the number of copies a pirate DVD seller could sell in a day.
;)
The end result for the movie studios is precisely the same; people get their work for free. With BitTorrent and other P2P networks, however, the number of people who get that same work for free is drastically increased. For example, for Ratatouille on Mininova there's around 2000 seeds *just for the most popular torrent*! No pirate DVD seller could match that volume.
If the payouts are higher for BT than street selling, it is for that simple reason; a pirate DVD seller couldn't match the amount of infringement committed by a few dedicated BT seeders, resulting in a theoretically higher loss for the studios. However, considering the (I think a bit bogus) argument that BT downloaders wouldn't have paid to see movies anyway, I'll leave that well alone.
She did the thing she's accused of, she has little or no defense against those accusations, and she's lost, and you want to blame the RIAA. Right.
Sometimes a shitty defense is just a shitty defense.
The RIAA has a bunch of IP address data, and some username stuff, but they habeus no corpus because of a conveniently dead hard drive.
Hello, I am your friendly neighbourhood pedant. The lack of evidence has no link to habeus corpus, even ignoring the poor use of Latin grammar there. The writ of habeus corpus simply means that you should be tried in court, and has nothing to do with evidence or the lack thereof.
If it isn't David Copperfield...
;)
Just post the entire text of War and Peace and get it over with.
SO... how much of my price goes straight to radiohead? And how much goes to the MAFIAA (if any)?
Radiohead are out of a contract, making this an independent release. The RIAA make nothing.
"Slashdot" and "parties". Two words I never expected to see anywhere near each other.
Cack *belongs* up arses.
;)
Oh, you meant something else. So sorry.
It's like it's his little personal toy that he just loves to show off to anyone, anywhere, but that nobody else really cares much about.
:P
Obvious double entendres aside, I use Cover Flow, mainly cos it's purdy. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Wouldn't be using a Mac if I wasn't a sucker for shinies
As far as I'm concerned, it's no real loss, to be honest.
Leopard looks to me to be quite a disappointing update. Not only did Apple completely cast out the refined Aqua look and feel in favour of something that looks like Windows Vista beat Front Row over the head, but there's nothing much I'm excited about (a backup utility? whoopee-fuck. multiple desktops? excuse me while i soil myself...) and indeed a lot I'm more apprehensive about (the iTunes finder with Cover Flow...jesus wept). I think I'll be sticking with Tiger a bit longer; it's a shame Apple diverted attention from what could have been a fantastic new release of OS X onto the glitzy, crippled fashion accessory that is the iPhone.
I'll probably get modded to hell and back, but Leopard is rapidly becoming Apple's version of Vista. Just like Vista, Leopard will be mostly under the hood changes and a few piffling new features, and a whole new look which goes for all out eye candy but simply doesn't match the elegance of what went before. I'm sure the XPostFacto guys will whip something up for all those G4/3 users in the mean time though...
I was waiting for someone to mention House, it does seem like natural geek TV. I wasn't expecting to like it, thinking it would be more E.R. style mawk, but Laurie's one-liners and general misanthropy, plus some genuinely interesting cases and moral dilemmas handily saved it from that. Can't wait til Season 4 starts...
Oh man, you do NOT want to know what I just misread "Goatees" as......
The commercial "community" doesn't exactly have the best track record developing complex GUI intensive applications... Windows and MacOSX both have ... issues ... in particular the fact that there are two desktops in the first place fragmenting application development and massively duplicating effort.
Bollocks. Windows, Mac OS X and Linux are seperate operating systems. Windows has one GUI, the Explorer/Aero GUI, with standardised APIs (and of course a few LiteStep type thingies). Mac OS X has precisely one GUI, with the Cocoa/NeXTstep APIs. And Linux has, off the top of my head, bare X11/Athena, TcL/Tk, KDE, GNOME, GTK1, GNUstep... and so on.
As far as standardisation and unification goes, the commercial OSes have it sussed.
Heh, sweet, small world... I bought that game a while back for Mac... nice game :)
When it's repeated roughly 4 million times a day on every YRO/politics article on Slashdot, it does kinda lose its punch.
I'm willing to bet that most people with more than 30GB haven't listened to every song they own.
Hah, I've only (only) got 15gb of music, and I've barely scratched the surface of it.
This is Slashdot, so the lack of sharing's not an issue. ;)