Gtk-gnutella will explicitly inform you of how much bandwidth it's using at any given time for simple chatter and underlying transaction. It also lets you cap that transaction bandwidth.
By default though, it's set at 5kb/s (as in kilobytes I believe) up and down (each). Couple quick smack's on the calculator shows that's about 350 meg/day. With no transfers.
I can only imagine that other clients aren't being as polite as gtk-gnutella, so I think those figures are 'plausable' if not completely accurate.
This actually goes beyond simple theory. With the traffic at 5 in/out the additional lag is VERY noticable on my machine, and others inside my local net. Probably that's due to my very limited upstream, but still.
> such as jpg, or lossless compression formats, would be a big step in the right direction.
As opposed to what? What sites are you seeing out there that are using an uncompressed image format? bmps & tiffs? I didn't even think you could embed an uncompressed format in a web page.
Aside from the hardware issue, many people including myself don't have a windows machine because they don't want to pay for a windows license. VMWare needs a license because it needs a full install of Windows.
This is about more than large companies. Perhaps Red Hat could afford to offer a warranty on software contained within its own distribution, but consider small scale contributers. Even the business I work for has contributed GPL'd code to the market - I walk into my bosses office and tell him he has to offer a warranty on that software and it's off the server faster than you can say DMCA.
You know, I totally agree with this opinion. The more homogenized the linux desktop becomes, the less fun it will be for the people who actually develop for it.
I guarantee that the day that the linux desktop is easy and default-ized enough for my mom to use it - is the same day that the best development talent moves to some other platform.
Right now the average linux desktop is a mixuture of different solutions and methodologies all trying out new ways of solving problems. Some are great, some aren't so great (I still find juggling with my feet more intuitive then grip's ui;). But if the primary concern ever becomes consistency over innovation, myself and I'm sure many others will be looking for the Next Great Thing to mess with.
... and I think we're seeing signs of how user friendly is too user friendly with the reviews of Gnome 2.
In that case the developers have gone so far in removing options and disabling features that they've started to alienate the target audience that most wants the product, for the sake of attracting the lowest common denominator.
I think part of the problem is that only the people who don't understand a system, any system, say anything about it. For every user that says "I don't get it" there isn't one that says "Made sense to me".
> The best part is that Taco also posted the > original.
Why are you reading this site?
I'm sure this'll cost me, but I don't care. I'm fucking sick of whining, bitching and moaning from people about how bad slashdot sucks ON SLASHDOT. For the love of God. What the hell is wrong with you people?
You do realize that you're the absolute prototypical hypocrite. Right? Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of stuff about Slashdot, just like everything else, that could use improvement. But directionless, solutionless criticism solves absolutely nothing.
If you have a suggestion, make it. If you have a baseless complaint or a mindless comment about how bad the editors are, or how inappropriate a story is, wtf are you doing on the site to begin with, and certainly wtf are you doing posting in the story you think is inappropriate?!
I'm sick to death of impotent eliteists dictating what a good story is and isn't... and then many of the same cloned complaints getting modded up. That's insane. It has nothing to do with the topic, it has no contributory value. It's meaningless diatribe.
What makes me even MORE annoyed is that I've just wasted the last 10 minutes of my life, adding to the offtopic, worthless discussion because it just pisses me off so f**king much that people get a wicked, free service like slashdot, and then use it to complain about getting it.
*deep breath* Ok. It's ok. 10 9 8 7...
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It's all about the sinister looking laugh commented out in the page.
There are a few things that I have mixed feelings about though. The default WM is switching to Metacity, which doesn't have the power and configurability of Sawfish, and that is symptomatic of the general reduction in configurability.
Regardless of the default, they're going to have to pry enlightenment from my cold, dead fingers.
This is the second or third person to submit this, so I feel the need to point out the obvious. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect the jamming to start well in advance of any event.. meaning there'd be no way to even GET the device into place intact if jamming detonated it immediately. On the off chance it was already there before the jamming started, it would be detonated before it could do any serious damage (in terms of lives).
And don't bother pointing out that terrorists have no problems turning on the device at it's point of detonation and killing themselves too. At that point there would be no need for a remote detonator and jamming issue isn't involved anyway.
It's very simple. Your example of 100 units of bandwidth to 100 units of users is not accurate.
In order to be profitable you'll find the ratio to be closer to 2000 units of users to 100 units of bandwidth. They depend on not everyone being online and downloading at the same time.
Bandwidth is not cheap, at all. Oversubscribing is a fact of life, and why we can get these kinds of connections for $50/m.
Is it fair to call it unlimited bandwidth? No. Is it suicide for a company to advertise the exact specifications of their service during a 30 second commercial spotted in the middle of Survivor? Yes.
I'm sorry to be negative here, but have you looked around our profession lately? We're a dime a dozen, and it's only going to get worse. For every ethical person there are 15 slimeballs with better/worse/equal skillsets looking for his job.
It's just the plain truth. The only only reasons doctors are allowed the luxury of the Hippocratic Oath is because they are rare enough, and everyone fears dieing.
It's very simple. If something unethical starts up in your workplace, try to redirect it, maybe try to find a new job.. most importantly, don't get you and your whole family kicked out of your apartment/house based on your ethics. Someone would have replaced you within mere days.
You're better to just come home from work and start writing a free alternative to the software your company writes (if legal to do so), or something else.
Slimey work is just the norm. You have to manouver where you have space. And making a living is tight.
What kind of life-altering, disturbing experience did you have as a child that made you so hard assed?
It's April fools. There were fake posts. It's funny. If you don't think it's funny than live with it. The rest of the entire population of the world thinks it is, and don't need some condescending asshole to suck the air out of the room.
Life is painful enough without overly critical people trying as hard as they can to wreck every marginally entertaining moment for everyone else.
This is a little over-violent and self-righteous, but still kinda true too.
On one hand, Slashdot is a news source and this is news for nerds.. no doubt about it. On the other, the opinions of the editors (or at least some of the editors) is fairly well known.
Then again, reporting the release of these movies is hardly endorsing their consumption. Not any more than even a post about 'The evil RIAA did *'.
How do you report the news about a product without promoting it?
Unfortunately I have to disagree with this. Perhaps that's the way it should be, but I've found that it's seldom the case that a good batch of programmers produce money.
That statement holds if you talk about marketers. The worst products in the world will make more money marketed correctly than the best marketed poorly.
A company that starts with the letters 'Micro', and ends with the letters 'soft' comes to mind.:)
You've got to be kidding right? Is your overwhelming need to correct everything that everyone says so strong that you feel the need to *fix* an obviously superfulous but entertaining comparison?
For the love of god man, it's there to make people laugh/smile. Don't be so damned ostentatious.
I'm going nuts with the repetition of people saying geeze 'X' is good, so we should implement it. So long as that's all developers are doing, Linux will always be backseat to Windows. Why the heck doesn't anyone want to create something better?!
Evolution is fantastic, but it takes about 3 seconds to realize it's outlook. Plain and simple. GnomeIcu, icq, XMMS - Winamp, the list goes on.
Doesn't anyone other than me in the Linux development community want to develop something new and better?
Sorry, that was blatently negative, but stuff like this drives me mad. So what if.Net is a good thing? It's been done.
``All you have to do is attempt to put some kind of technological protection system that controls access to the work -- it doesn't matter how effective it is.''
My mother has a website that pops up an alert box saying "Don't copy my page" when you right click on it, which has become pretty common. Mozilla/Galeon ignore the javascript that generates these warnings and is therefore bypassing a copy protection mesure.
> So using 2.4 on a server and then complaining that it isn't stable enough is silly IMHO.
The problem here is that 2.4 is _supposed_ to be stable. Make your argument with 2.2 and 2.3 and I'd agree completely. The fact of the matter is that 2.4 is supposed to be a polished release.
Do we really want to be deciding what is stable, and what is 'really' stable?
It would be interesting if laws like this were applied to software only if it claimed it was secure.
A nice way to handle this would be to force companies to be responsible for the security of their products or have to place a large logo and notice on their download site/boxes which clearly states that 'This software is not certified secure and may contain dangerous security flaws which could put your data and privacy at risk'.
Companies don't want to be responsible legally, just put the logo on your box. Otherwise you're screwed if you write bad software.
I'd love to see Windows XP-2 on the counters with a big red logo stating 'This product is insecure!'.
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Gtk-gnutella will explicitly inform you of how much bandwidth it's using at any given time for simple chatter and underlying transaction. It also lets you cap that transaction bandwidth.
By default though, it's set at 5kb/s (as in kilobytes I believe) up and down (each). Couple quick smack's on the calculator shows that's about 350 meg/day. With no transfers.
I can only imagine that other clients aren't being as polite as gtk-gnutella, so I think those figures are 'plausable' if not completely accurate.
This actually goes beyond simple theory. With the traffic at 5 in/out the additional lag is VERY noticable on my machine, and others inside my local net. Probably that's due to my very limited upstream, but still.
> such as jpg, or lossless compression formats, would be a big step in the right direction.
As opposed to what? What sites are you seeing out there that are using an uncompressed image format? bmps & tiffs? I didn't even think you could embed an uncompressed format in a web page.
Aside from the hardware issue, many people including myself don't have a windows machine because they don't want to pay for a windows license.
VMWare needs a license because it needs a full install of Windows.
This is about more than large companies. Perhaps Red Hat could afford to offer a warranty on software contained within its own distribution, but consider small scale contributers.
Even the business I work for has contributed GPL'd code to the market - I walk into my bosses office and tell him he has to offer a warranty on that software and it's off the server faster than you can say DMCA.
You know, I totally agree with this opinion. The more homogenized the linux desktop becomes, the less fun it will be for the people who actually develop for it.
;). But if the primary concern ever becomes consistency over innovation, myself and I'm sure many others will be looking for the Next Great Thing to mess with.
I guarantee that the day that the linux desktop is easy and default-ized enough for my mom to use it - is the same day that the best development talent moves to some other platform.
Right now the average linux desktop is a mixuture of different solutions and methodologies all trying out new ways of solving problems. Some are great, some aren't so great (I still find juggling with my feet more intuitive then grip's ui
... and I think we're seeing signs of how user friendly is too user friendly with the reviews of Gnome 2.
In that case the developers have gone so far in removing options and disabling features that they've started to alienate the target audience that most wants the product, for the sake of attracting the lowest common denominator.
I think part of the problem is that only the people who don't understand a system, any system, say anything about it. For every user that says "I don't get it" there isn't one that says "Made sense to me".
> but even the crappy slashdot search
Then why did you use it?
> The best part is that Taco also posted the
> original.
Why are you reading this site?
I'm sure this'll cost me, but I don't care. I'm fucking sick of whining, bitching and moaning from people about how bad slashdot sucks ON SLASHDOT. For the love of God. What the hell is wrong with you people?
You do realize that you're the absolute prototypical hypocrite. Right?
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of stuff about Slashdot, just like everything else, that could use improvement. But directionless, solutionless criticism solves absolutely nothing.
If you have a suggestion, make it. If you have a baseless complaint or a mindless comment about how bad the editors are, or how inappropriate a story is, wtf are you doing on the site to begin with, and certainly wtf are you doing posting in the story you think is inappropriate?!
I'm sick to death of impotent eliteists dictating what a good story is and isn't... and then many of the same cloned complaints getting modded up. That's insane. It has nothing to do with the topic, it has no contributory value. It's meaningless diatribe.
What makes me even MORE annoyed is that I've just wasted the last 10 minutes of my life, adding to the offtopic, worthless discussion because it just pisses me off so f**king much that people get a wicked, free service like slashdot, and then use it to complain about getting it.
*deep breath*
Ok. It's ok. 10 9 8 7...
It's all about the sinister looking laugh commented out in the page.
This is a little spooky.
Regardless of the default, they're going to have to pry enlightenment from my cold, dead fingers.
And that's all I have to say about that.
This is the second or third person to submit this, so I feel the need to point out the obvious. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect the jamming to start well in advance of any event.. meaning there'd be no way to even GET the device into place intact if jamming detonated it immediately. On the off chance it was already there before the jamming started, it would be detonated before it could do any serious damage (in terms of lives).
And don't bother pointing out that terrorists have no problems turning on the device at it's point of detonation and killing themselves too. At that point there would be no need for a remote detonator and jamming issue isn't involved anyway.
You are of course aware, posting a story about a news item is not an endorsement of what it's about.
Right?
People do realize this? Right?
If not, I suppose CNN is really into that whole terrorism thing. Yikes.
It's very simple. Your example of 100 units of bandwidth to 100 units of users is not accurate.
In order to be profitable you'll find the ratio to be closer to 2000 units of users to 100 units of bandwidth. They depend on not everyone being online and downloading at the same time.
Bandwidth is not cheap, at all. Oversubscribing is a fact of life, and why we can get these kinds of connections for $50/m.
Is it fair to call it unlimited bandwidth? No. Is it suicide for a company to advertise the exact specifications of their service during a 30 second commercial spotted in the middle of Survivor? Yes.
I'm sorry to be negative here, but have you looked around our profession lately? We're a dime a dozen, and it's only going to get worse. For every ethical person there are 15 slimeballs with better/worse/equal skillsets looking for his job.
It's just the plain truth. The only only reasons doctors are allowed the luxury of the Hippocratic Oath is because they are rare enough, and everyone fears dieing.
It's very simple. If something unethical starts up in your workplace, try to redirect it, maybe try to find a new job.. most importantly, don't get you and your whole family kicked out of your apartment/house based on your ethics. Someone would have replaced you within mere days.
You're better to just come home from work and start writing a free alternative to the software your company writes (if legal to do so), or something else.
Slimey work is just the norm. You have to manouver where you have space. And making a living is tight.
Not suprisingly, Jesux has gone over its bandwidth cap.
Here's a link to the google cache for it
Good God I'm glad I'm not you.
What kind of life-altering, disturbing experience did you have as a child that made you so hard assed?
It's April fools. There were fake posts. It's funny. If you don't think it's funny than live with it. The rest of the entire population of the world thinks it is, and don't need some condescending asshole to suck the air out of the room.
Life is painful enough without overly critical people trying as hard as they can to wreck every marginally entertaining moment for everyone else.
This is a little over-violent and self-righteous, but still kinda true too.
On one hand, Slashdot is a news source and this is news for nerds.. no doubt about it. On the other, the opinions of the editors (or at least some of the editors) is fairly well known.
Then again, reporting the release of these movies is hardly endorsing their consumption. Not any more than even a post about 'The evil RIAA did *'.
How do you report the news about a product without promoting it?
Unfortunately I have to disagree with this. Perhaps that's the way it should be, but I've found that it's seldom the case that a good batch of programmers produce money.
:)
That statement holds if you talk about marketers. The worst products in the world will make more money marketed correctly than the best marketed poorly.
A company that starts with the letters 'Micro', and ends with the letters 'soft' comes to mind.
You've got to be kidding right?
Is your overwhelming need to correct everything that everyone says so strong that you feel the need to *fix* an obviously superfulous but entertaining comparison?
For the love of god man, it's there to make people laugh/smile. Don't be so damned ostentatious.
I can afford the Karma hit, this just annoys me.
But you know what, I don't care.
.Net is a good thing? It's been done.
I'm going nuts with the repetition of people saying geeze 'X' is good, so we should implement it. So long as that's all developers are doing, Linux will always be backseat to Windows. Why the heck doesn't anyone want to create something better?!
Evolution is fantastic, but it takes about 3 seconds to realize it's outlook. Plain and simple. GnomeIcu, icq, XMMS - Winamp, the list goes on.
Doesn't anyone other than me in the Linux development community want to develop something new and better?
Sorry, that was blatently negative, but stuff like this drives me mad. So what if
With 60 gig hard drives appearing in every machine in sight, why not just install them both?
Oh, yeah, thanks. That really makes me feel way better.
I don't even remember the exact description. I have applied to a _lot_ of jobs in the last week or so.
I'm here in Montreal, and I applied to go work for them not even a week ago.
:)
I was inadequate
If they can figure that out, they probably have a chance.
A quote got me to thinking:
``All you have to do is attempt to put some kind of technological protection system that controls access to the work -- it doesn't matter how effective it is.''
My mother has a website that pops up an alert box saying "Don't copy my page" when you right click on it, which has become pretty common. Mozilla/Galeon ignore the javascript that generates these warnings and is therefore bypassing a copy protection mesure.
Does that put them in violation of the DMCA?
How stupid IS this legislation?
> So using 2.4 on a server and then complaining that it isn't stable enough is silly IMHO.
The problem here is that 2.4 is _supposed_ to be stable. Make your argument with 2.2 and 2.3 and I'd agree completely. The fact of the matter is that 2.4 is supposed to be a polished release.
Do we really want to be deciding what is stable, and what is 'really' stable?
It would be interesting if laws like this were applied to software only if it claimed it was secure.
A nice way to handle this would be to force companies to be responsible for the security of their products or have to place a large logo and notice on their download site/boxes which clearly states that 'This software is not certified secure and may contain dangerous security flaws which could put your data and privacy at risk'.
Companies don't want to be responsible legally, just put the logo on your box. Otherwise you're screwed if you write bad software.
I'd love to see Windows XP-2 on the counters with a big red logo stating 'This product is insecure!'.