I've been reading the rc(8) man page and it doesn;t seem to imply that's what happens. it has a long talk about parameters given to the scripts in/etc/rc.d and then the next line is this:
The following key points apply to old-style scripts in/usr/local/etc/rc.d/:
and talks about, as it says, the old style of start scripts. and I'm not sure how you'd mix and match the old and new scripts together I have to admit.
I would like to see the rcng system used for the ports scripts I have to admit. it shows alot of promise, although is there scope for having scripts start in the order a,b,c and stop in the order c,b,a ?
I'd venture that the vast majority of people in general, never mind people reading slashdot don't have a "3yr old Shrek junkie" in their houses.
however I have to admit that I really didn't find shrek remotely funny, most of the people i know were rolling in the aisles and I'm sitting there stonry faced and checking my watch. I thought it was bloody awful.
Taking this one step further, only open ports for services you actually need. For example, there is no point opening port 80 if you don't run a web server.
well.. err.. that is actually *exactly* what he said. let me quote him:
"Allow only very few services and open just those ports"
so he's advocating only poening ports for services you actually need. the bit at the end was just for example.
in the comments for the story, I noticed that wes peters replied to someone's comments and spent some time talking about rcNG, here is what he said:
The booting sequence that seems to puzzle you is new to FreeBSD as well. It is a port of the NetBSD boot system, designed by Luke Mewburn. It is known as 'rcNG' in FreeBSD, and has quite a few desirable features. The main attribute of interest is that it allows subsystem or application designers to drop in a startup script that will be automatically sequenced with the rest of the system boot. Say, for instance, you've written an application that relies on both PostgreSQL and Apache to be started before your application can be started. In the Linux SysV-type startup, the system administrator would have to look through the startup scripts and give the application startup a sequence number that occurs lexically after both the Apache and PostgreSQL startups. With rcNG, the script itself reports that it depends on Apache and PostgreSQL, and the system starts and stops it in the correct order. The rcNG project is also a great example of code sharing between these two development teams, who have goals that in some ways differ greatly.
I far as I am aware, the rcNG stuff, while great, only applies to base startup scripts doesn't it? does it also support user applications in/usr/loca/etc/rc.d ? anyone know? all the userland scripts I've got in/usr/local/etc/rc.d are the old style, not the new style.
I'd have to say microsoft's application menu (aka the "start button") is the most significant UI innovation in the last 10 years.... think about it, what does X11 come with? a start button knock off
actually no, it doesn't. the wm installed by your linux distro of choice might implement something akin to a start button but then if you look at old wm's you'll find that alot of them bring up a similar menu when you click a button on the background. and they predate windows 95. I'd say the idea is pretty similar, just in a different place.
I thought that was a requirement of having a domain and you can lose the domain if mail is not accepted or read there? I'd have to check the rfc's but wouldn;t that be a thing, someone taking aol's domain from them because they don;t accept mail for postmaster?
You make one big assumption---that given the run of all the message boards on the internet, students will only go to the "good" ones---that is, the ones that promote discussion and whatnot.
and who is to make the determination abut whether a discussion is good or not? the students themselves of course, thats how they learn. how can they learn about bad things if they're never allowed remotely near them.
it's like bringing your kids up in a sterile environment. once they grow up and enter the real world they can't cope.
1) you don't have to play it *loud* to appreciate a good audio system 2) audio is surprisingly good for keeping in date, esp if you buy seperates, after all, a poweramp from 15 years ago can be just as useful and good as a modern power amp. 3) you don't need to spend that kind of money to have a high end system. some amazingly good components go on ebay for small amounts of money.
if you do some research you can get some really nice gear for little. most of the components I've bought have been at half price or less and are in excellent condition.
no,the pronto is alot more pwoerful than omniremote and more to the point, it's designed to do the job and companies releave pronto ccf files on their websites.
to be honest, I don;t like touchscreen remotes anyways, all hail the HTM mx500 hard button programmable remote. I have a drawerful of remotes in the cupboard now:)
remember this isn't the commercial software world. no-one's been tasked with providing irix compatibility. someone's doing it because they want it and thats reason enough, isn't it?
I'm just looking now. I don't know an online link, I foubnd this in the library, Oxford vs Moss in either 78 or 79. basically some student wandered into oxford universities staff room, photocopies an exam paper and walked off with it. oxford uni took him to court for theft, the judge threw the case out saying that they actually hadn;t lost anything so it wasn;t theft.
this is the only reference I can find off the top of my head. I think you'd have to pop down to the library to find more details.
Could i ever return a CD back to the record store if i didn't like it?
Hell no.
is that a standard thing in the states? in the UK the answer is generally yes. I've wandered back to HMV with a cd I didn;t like and I don't think they even asked me why I was returning it. they gave me cash back too, not even a credit note.
I agree entirely, I remember last year I heard an ad on the radio from the BSA telling everyone that "copyright infringement is theft". now as we all know, this is completely and utterly not true and so I wrote to the Advertising Standards Authority. I told them of my concern and I even gacve them a court reference to a british court decision (I'm in the UK) where it was said explicitly that copyright infringement is not theft..
you know what? they didn't care. thegist of their reply was "you know what they mean, now shut up and sod off"
actually, they aren't dts cd's, they are dts encoded audio on plastic platters. if you look carefully they don't say cd on them anywhere (well, they shouldn't and my two don't) as they are not cd's.
they use the same physical medium but the name "cd" also involves the way the data is formatted on the disc and as they are not redbook audio, they ain't cd's.
they do sound good though, I've got the hell freezes over eagles one and the sting one. I ought to pick up some more sometime.
yeah, I suppose you are right there, but it's a common sense thing again I suppose. I see it as a move in the wrong direction and I don't like it. of course I'm powerless to do anything about it.
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I've been reading the rc(8) man page and it doesn;t seem to imply that's what happens. it has a long talk about parameters given to the scripts in /etc/rc.d and then the next line is this:
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/:
The following key points apply to old-style scripts in
and talks about, as it says, the old style of start scripts. and I'm not sure how you'd mix and match the old and new scripts together I have to admit.
I would like to see the rcng system used for the ports scripts I have to admit. it shows alot of promise, although is there scope for having scripts start in the order a,b,c and stop in the order c,b,a ?
dave
I'd venture that the vast majority of people in general, never mind people reading slashdot don't have a "3yr old Shrek junkie" in their houses.
however I have to admit that I really didn't find shrek remotely funny, most of the people i know were rolling in the aisles and I'm sitting there stonry faced and checking my watch. I thought it was bloody awful.
dave
Taking this one step further, only open ports for services you actually need. For example, there is no point opening port 80 if you don't run a web server.
well.. err.. that is actually *exactly* what he said. let me quote him:
"Allow only very few services and open just those ports"
so he's advocating only poening ports for services you actually need. the bit at the end was just for example.
dave
in the comments for the story, I noticed that wes peters replied to someone's comments and spent some time talking about rcNG, here is what he said:
/usr/loca/etc/rc.d ? anyone know? all the userland scripts I've got in /usr/local/etc/rc.d are the old style, not the new style.
The booting sequence that seems to puzzle you is new to FreeBSD as well. It is a port of the NetBSD boot system, designed by Luke Mewburn. It is known as 'rcNG' in FreeBSD, and has quite a few desirable features. The main attribute of interest is that it allows subsystem or application designers to drop in a startup script that will be automatically sequenced with the rest of the system boot. Say, for instance, you've written an application that relies on both PostgreSQL and Apache to be started before your application can be started. In the Linux SysV-type startup, the system administrator would have to look through the startup scripts and give the application startup a sequence number that occurs lexically after both the Apache and PostgreSQL startups. With rcNG, the script itself reports that it depends on Apache and PostgreSQL, and the system starts and stops it in the correct order. The rcNG project is also a great example of code sharing between these two development teams, who have goals that in some ways differ greatly.
I far as I am aware, the rcNG stuff, while great, only applies to base startup scripts doesn't it? does it also support user applications in
anyone know anything about this?
dave
"It's like Sputnik!"
small but pointy in parts
dave
pedant!
:)
and I'll spell heed any damn way I please
dave
he obviously *has* seen "men in black" I'd say
dave
what is this? the film reference thread? :) that'll be "so I married an axe murderer"
"look at the size of that boys heed! it's like a small planetoid, it has it's own weather systems!"
dave
I'd have to say microsoft's application menu (aka the "start button") is the most significant UI innovation in the last 10 years.... think about it, what does X11 come with? a start button knock off
actually no, it doesn't. the wm installed by your linux distro of choice might implement something akin to a start button but then if you look at old wm's you'll find that alot of them bring up a similar menu when you click a button on the background. and they predate windows 95. I'd say the idea is pretty similar, just in a different place.
dave
I thought that was a requirement of having a domain and you can lose the domain if mail is not accepted or read there? I'd have to check the rfc's but wouldn;t that be a thing, someone taking aol's domain from them because they don;t accept mail for postmaster?
dave
yeah but my aunt does that by not owning a computer
dave
You make one big assumption---that given the run of all the message boards on the internet, students will only go to the "good" ones---that is, the ones that promote discussion and whatnot.
and who is to make the determination abut whether a discussion is good or not? the students themselves of course, thats how they learn. how can they learn about bad things if they're never allowed remotely near them.
it's like bringing your kids up in a sterile environment. once they grow up and enter the real world they can't cope.
dave
1) you don't have to play it *loud* to appreciate a good audio system
2) audio is surprisingly good for keeping in date, esp if you buy seperates, after all, a poweramp from 15 years ago can be just as useful and good as a modern power amp.
3) you don't need to spend that kind of money to have a high end system. some amazingly good components go on ebay for small amounts of money.
if you do some research you can get some really nice gear for little. most of the components I've bought have been at half price or less and are in excellent condition.
dave
no,the pronto is alot more pwoerful than omniremote and more to the point, it's designed to do the job and companies releave pronto ccf files on their websites.
:)
to be honest, I don;t like touchscreen remotes anyways, all hail the HTM mx500 hard button programmable remote. I have a drawerful of remotes in the cupboard now
dave
remember this isn't the commercial software world. no-one's been tasked with providing irix compatibility. someone's doing it because they want it and thats reason enough, isn't it?
dave
I'm just looking now. I don't know an online link, I foubnd this in the library, Oxford vs Moss in either 78 or 79. basically some student wandered into oxford universities staff room, photocopies an exam paper and walked off with it. oxford uni took him to court for theft, the judge threw the case out saying that they actually hadn;t lost anything so it wasn;t theft.
this is the only reference I can find off the top of my head. I think you'd have to pop down to the library to find more details.
dave
Could i ever return a CD back to the record store if i didn't like it?
Hell no.
is that a standard thing in the states? in the UK the answer is generally yes. I've wandered back to HMV with a cd I didn;t like and I don't think they even asked me why I was returning it. they gave me cash back too, not even a credit note.
dave
I agree entirely, I remember last year I heard an ad on the radio from the BSA telling everyone that "copyright infringement is theft". now as we all know, this is completely and utterly not true and so I wrote to the Advertising Standards Authority. I told them of my concern and I even gacve them a court reference to a british court decision (I'm in the UK) where it was said explicitly that copyright infringement is not theft..
you know what? they didn't care. thegist of their reply was "you know what they mean, now shut up and sod off"
I was not very impressed.
dave
full DVI, ie DVI-I includes pins for both digital and analog. I don't think I've ever seen a DVI-D (digital only) monitor.
dave
How about I play my 5.1 DTS CDs
actually, they aren't dts cd's, they are dts encoded audio on plastic platters. if you look carefully they don't say cd on them anywhere (well, they shouldn't and my two don't) as they are not cd's.
they use the same physical medium but the name "cd" also involves the way the data is formatted on the disc and as they are not redbook audio, they ain't cd's.
they do sound good though, I've got the hell freezes over eagles one and the sting one. I ought to pick up some more sometime.
dave
steganography, and it's not crypto in itself, just a way of hiding data in other data.
dave
s/copyright/copy protection/g
dave
Are you a geek? Be proud of it. Prove it. Memorize 1000 digits of pi!
I can remember *all* of the digits to pi
now the order.. thats a different matter...
dave
I believe FreeBSD 5.0 is the other
rumour has it that freebsd 5 is not a linux distro but an OS in it's own right...
but it does come with acpi enabled, this is true. and it's been rock solid for me so far...
dave
yeah, I suppose you are right there, but it's a common sense thing again I suppose. I see it as a move in the wrong direction and I don't like it. of course I'm powerless to do anything about it.
dave