AC is right, to an extent... although I do use alot of my work time learning things in excel, I tend to get landed with project people assume I can do (cause everyone else is to scared to try, or think, or anythign...) so I have to figure out a way to get it done.
And I do know quite a bit about building databases and the things you mention, but I usually need the flexibility of Excel to actually achieve my end goal. I'm sure these things could be done in access, but I don't know enough about performing actual calculations in access, let alone formulae, and the general techniques of turning dataset A into dataset B.
The other thing I've found is that most Excel "power users" have a particular "style" to do things. Myself, I seem to use alot of Vlookups, IF statements and text manipulation formulae, and its these things I've found difficult to convert over to OO. I'm sure its possible to get the same end result in OO, but the same as my point about access, its a case of re-learning technique. Read what I wrote above about "mom and pop" know MS, so they use MS at home.
From that standpoint OO may as well exactly clone MS Office, which I guess is the mission statement in the first place. But you guys are right, and I will be using OO at home and sending a polite and descriptive email everytime I can't do something I want to. Any idea what the turn around time might be from me sending the email to implementation? Is it fast enough to meet my deadlines?
You're doing something with Excel that's complex enough that you're linking up to Access to 'do some of the larger processing tasks' - I mean, not just to retrieve data, but to process it?
"Complex" doesn't always come into it, sometimes its just about scale. Often its easier to build a simple database to hold my 250k lines of data than it is to work across 4 tabs in an excel book. And its hardly "complex" to get data from excel to access and back out again, I just use CSV files.... Say you have 200,000 lines of data that you want sorted by 3 differant criteria (for example in a recent "project" I had employee training data, so I needed all the courses done by each employee sorted by date, so the "complex processing" can be "Sort by A, then by B, then by C". Depending on the state of the data you're working with that can be a fairly nasty task on that scale in excel, but thats beside the point.
M$ has market share for exactly this reason, they ARE busines people, and they meet the needs of business users. And "mom and pop" use MS 9-5, they know what they're doing with it, so they use MS at home. OSS has a big ol' hill to climb, not only does it need to MEET what microshit is capable of, but they have to have something extra for people to make the change. "FREE" I hear you cry. Mud is free, people stil pay for compost cause it makes your plants grow "better". The other thing of course is that no single large organisation (a bank for example) will switch to OSS because its not the "industry standard". Employees have to learn a whole new skill set rather than bringing what they learnt in their last role.
Wake me up when OO Calc (or whatever its called) can do everything I need to do in Excel. Sure it has a *few* advantages in the UI, but its not even nearly as powerful as Excel when it comes to real application. (I work in banking). And the ability to link up with access to do some of the larger processing tasks is so useful, not all of us are codemonkeys, and I don't want to learn how to write scripts, or databases or anything else for that matter. Someone else programs the software so that I can use it, not so I can program a bit more so that the software does what _I_ need it to, especially in the business world.
Yeah I wasted some of my life on that a couple of weekends back. It's awesome and I couldn't stop playing until I got to the end...
Unfortunately alot of the solutions were similar... just attach as many wheels to the box as you can and hope you have the power to move it over the obstacle. Some of the later levels were really good though. Great example of a physics flash game IMO.
Isn't pretty much _everything_ more of a greenhouse gas than CO2?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for looking after the environment, and things like burning fuel _DO_ add all sorts of nasties to the atmosphere, but it bothers me that everything "green" is about "reducing your C02 "footprint""
I guess its just a good way for the great unwashed to get hold of something quantifiable. *shrugs*
Ok I'll admit I'm not in IT proffessionally, and the computers I build are for me and my friends and family, and generally gaming orientated. I tend to use NVidia graphics cards (cause I haven't built one since the new generation of cards where ATI was better again) and therefore tend to use Nvidia (which I find are actually pretty decent - or were last time I built a system).
In my experience, which obviously doesn't include servers or Dells (eugh!) XP and Vista have both made the network adapters "just work". Ok so I might have to run netsetup (oh noes?) but I find everything on board works out of the box, and I ignore disks that come with hardware. Easy enough to get on the internet, and windowz update tends to do the rest, excepting maybe the graphic card driver where its always best to get the latest driver directly from the chip manufacturers website.
And as a gamer/system builder I even have to admit I like Vista, it really does make life a little easier. Although with WINE coming on leaps and bounds and my gaming life being taken over by WoW, I'm probably going to dust off my Ubuntu disk again.
Although saying that, last time I had serious trouble getting my network adapter installed so I could get on the internet. Is there maybe a way where I can download the linux driver in windows, save to a USB stick, then do my re-install and copy it back so I can get straight on the internet in Linux? I presume I'd need to format the USB stick as FAT32 first? I'm a bit of a linux noob, but I can generally get around well enough to do what I need to do, and find out how to do things by looking it up, but Linux without the internet is a cold, dark and lonely place.
1995 called and they want their driver disks back.
Theres this wonderful new thing called "teh interwebz" where we get our drivers these days. And its been years since there was a computer I built where the (on mobo) network adapter didn't "just work" with windows.
Not true. Dividends are merely a way of extracting the value of the stock. The point of investing in equity is that you own a (very very tiny) percentage of the company. If the company becomes worth more and more, then your percentage is worth more. Its got nothing to do with realising value, because you can sell it afterwards.
If you were to buy alot of gold, and then the gold were to go up in value, would the gold be worth nothing because it didn't excreate gold dust? No, its still worth more than you bought it for so you've made a profit.
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Equity is NOT an income, its all about capital growth.
I've heard of Blizzard banning accounts because WINE means your running WoW through a third party program, which is against TOS. It would be great if Blizz supported Linux (especially with WoW, as its the only thing I NEED windows for anymore...)
Shares are long term investments, where the idea is that they'll go up in value. Dividends are entirely optional for a company, and often actually take more value out (watch a stock graph at divi day).
If its income you're after, then stocks and shares aren't the way to go at all. Bonds and other fixed income securities might work better. Of course they best route is usually a bit of everything, just incase the floor falls out of the bond market for example;-)
which is all well and good, except that you're flat out wrong. I won't even bother to cite myself here, cause you're SO wrong that I think even citing myself wouldn't convince you otherwise. In massive companies where the share capital is in the billions, even 5% - 10% of the issued share cap is enough to start throwing your weight around. In the UK forexample, get up to 30% and you're required to make a bid for the remainder of the company. And umm, what do you think happens when you own 100% of the shares? oh right... you own the company. The board and the CEO are EMPLOYED by the company (which is OWNED by the shareholders) to run the company.
The same is true on a much smaller scale. If you own a resturant, you'll probably hire a resturant manager and a head chef... If the foods crap you fire the chef, if the resturaunt is going down the crapper, you fire the management.
At the end of the day, owning that many shares (and we're talking billions of dollars worth, not whatever pittance you pay in your pension), then you have a lot of money, and in the corporate world, money=power. Just because you and your 5 whole shares which equates to 0.00001% of the company, and no one gives a crap what you think? pah. I've ranted enough. Go and read a grown up newspaper... the kind without the naked girls on the cover... the kind without a sports section.
lets break that down... areas which are accessible, to the public. So you mean any land that any member of the public could get to. So tell me... how do people get to your front door if its not accessible? You have a moat? I want a moat...
Oh yes, Americans are the only ones sitting in foriegn Jails on drug charges... couldn't possibly happen to anyone else... like that brit who got 6 years in Dubai for having 0.003g of cannabis on his shoe.
I would say a better analogy would be having a large amount of land, with a "keep off the grass sign".. as soon as someone wanders across out of curiosity, sue them for the cost of a 12ft electrified perimeter fence, gaurd towers, etc, and send them to jail for breaking into a highly secretive classified military base.
This story has been in the British press for a few days, and I find the whole thing disgusting. As mentioned elsewhere, the $900k was the cost of securing these systems after this guys just walked in with default windows passwords...
The stupid thing is that the whole case is based around this guys being a fucking terrorist... OH NOES SOMEONE DID SOMETHING TO WRONG AMERICA... They are a terrorist and should be locked away forever... if he wasn't from the UK they'd probably decide to bomb his fucking hometown as well.
Makes me think of the release date for the WoW expansion. Blizzard said soon, sometime last year;
"Soon" - Copyright 2004-2008 Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved. "Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between Blizzard Entertainment and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, Blizzard does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as Blizzard will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon."
How could XP have started a trend on what windows looked like? its the only windows that looks like that... 95, 98, 2k all looked similar, then xp was differant, then vista was differant.
On a personal note, I've been using Vista since release. I've had only very minor problems with it, and they've all been fixed now. I'd expect some problems with any spanky new software. Anyway, point is, it works perfectly for me, pretty much always has. I don't get slow down on games or anything... I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Its a nice OS.
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AC is right, to an extent... although I do use alot of my work time learning things in excel, I tend to get landed with project people assume I can do (cause everyone else is to scared to try, or think, or anythign...) so I have to figure out a way to get it done.
And I do know quite a bit about building databases and the things you mention, but I usually need the flexibility of Excel to actually achieve my end goal. I'm sure these things could be done in access, but I don't know enough about performing actual calculations in access, let alone formulae, and the general techniques of turning dataset A into dataset B.
The other thing I've found is that most Excel "power users" have a particular "style" to do things. Myself, I seem to use alot of Vlookups, IF statements and text manipulation formulae, and its these things I've found difficult to convert over to OO. I'm sure its possible to get the same end result in OO, but the same as my point about access, its a case of re-learning technique. Read what I wrote above about "mom and pop" know MS, so they use MS at home.
From that standpoint OO may as well exactly clone MS Office, which I guess is the mission statement in the first place. But you guys are right, and I will be using OO at home and sending a polite and descriptive email everytime I can't do something I want to. Any idea what the turn around time might be from me sending the email to implementation? Is it fast enough to meet my deadlines?
You're doing something with Excel that's complex enough that you're linking up to Access to 'do some of the larger processing tasks' - I mean, not just to retrieve data, but to process it?
"Complex" doesn't always come into it, sometimes its just about scale. Often its easier to build a simple database to hold my 250k lines of data than it is to work across 4 tabs in an excel book. And its hardly "complex" to get data from excel to access and back out again, I just use CSV files.... Say you have 200,000 lines of data that you want sorted by 3 differant criteria (for example in a recent "project" I had employee training data, so I needed all the courses done by each employee sorted by date, so the "complex processing" can be "Sort by A, then by B, then by C". Depending on the state of the data you're working with that can be a fairly nasty task on that scale in excel, but thats beside the point.
M$ has market share for exactly this reason, they ARE busines people, and they meet the needs of business users. And "mom and pop" use MS 9-5, they know what they're doing with it, so they use MS at home. OSS has a big ol' hill to climb, not only does it need to MEET what microshit is capable of, but they have to have something extra for people to make the change. "FREE" I hear you cry. Mud is free, people stil pay for compost cause it makes your plants grow "better". The other thing of course is that no single large organisation (a bank for example) will switch to OSS because its not the "industry standard". Employees have to learn a whole new skill set rather than bringing what they learnt in their last role.
Wake me up when OO Calc (or whatever its called) can do everything I need to do in Excel. Sure it has a *few* advantages in the UI, but its not even nearly as powerful as Excel when it comes to real application. (I work in banking). And the ability to link up with access to do some of the larger processing tasks is so useful, not all of us are codemonkeys, and I don't want to learn how to write scripts, or databases or anything else for that matter. Someone else programs the software so that I can use it, not so I can program a bit more so that the software does what _I_ need it to, especially in the business world.
Yeah I wasted some of my life on that a couple of weekends back. It's awesome and I couldn't stop playing until I got to the end...
Unfortunately alot of the solutions were similar... just attach as many wheels to the box as you can and hope you have the power to move it over the obstacle. Some of the later levels were really good though. Great example of a physics flash game IMO.
Isn't pretty much _everything_ more of a greenhouse gas than CO2?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for looking after the environment, and things like burning fuel _DO_ add all sorts of nasties to the atmosphere, but it bothers me that everything "green" is about "reducing your C02 "footprint""
I guess its just a good way for the great unwashed to get hold of something quantifiable. *shrugs*
Ok I'll admit I'm not in IT proffessionally, and the computers I build are for me and my friends and family, and generally gaming orientated. I tend to use NVidia graphics cards (cause I haven't built one since the new generation of cards where ATI was better again) and therefore tend to use Nvidia (which I find are actually pretty decent - or were last time I built a system).
In my experience, which obviously doesn't include servers or Dells (eugh!) XP and Vista have both made the network adapters "just work". Ok so I might have to run netsetup (oh noes?) but I find everything on board works out of the box, and I ignore disks that come with hardware. Easy enough to get on the internet, and windowz update tends to do the rest, excepting maybe the graphic card driver where its always best to get the latest driver directly from the chip manufacturers website.
And as a gamer/system builder I even have to admit I like Vista, it really does make life a little easier. Although with WINE coming on leaps and bounds and my gaming life being taken over by WoW, I'm probably going to dust off my Ubuntu disk again.
Although saying that, last time I had serious trouble getting my network adapter installed so I could get on the internet. Is there maybe a way where I can download the linux driver in windows, save to a USB stick, then do my re-install and copy it back so I can get straight on the internet in Linux? I presume I'd need to format the USB stick as FAT32 first? I'm a bit of a linux noob, but I can generally get around well enough to do what I need to do, and find out how to do things by looking it up, but Linux without the internet is a cold, dark and lonely place.
1995 called and they want their driver disks back.
Theres this wonderful new thing called "teh interwebz" where we get our drivers these days. And its been years since there was a computer I built where the (on mobo) network adapter didn't "just work" with windows.
Not true. Dividends are merely a way of extracting the value of the stock. The point of investing in equity is that you own a (very very tiny) percentage of the company. If the company becomes worth more and more, then your percentage is worth more. Its got nothing to do with realising value, because you can sell it afterwards.
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If you were to buy alot of gold, and then the gold were to go up in value, would the gold be worth nothing because it didn't excreate gold dust? No, its still worth more than you bought it for so you've made a profit.
applauds himself on the least crap analogy on
Equity is NOT an income, its all about capital growth.
I've heard of Blizzard banning accounts because WINE means your running WoW through a third party program, which is against TOS. It would be great if Blizz supported Linux (especially with WoW, as its the only thing I NEED windows for anymore...)
yes, I really do need it...
Shares are long term investments, where the idea is that they'll go up in value. Dividends are entirely optional for a company, and often actually take more value out (watch a stock graph at divi day).
;-)
If its income you're after, then stocks and shares aren't the way to go at all. Bonds and other fixed income securities might work better. Of course they best route is usually a bit of everything, just incase the floor falls out of the bond market for example
which is all well and good, except that you're flat out wrong. I won't even bother to cite myself here, cause you're SO wrong that I think even citing myself wouldn't convince you otherwise. In massive companies where the share capital is in the billions, even 5% - 10% of the issued share cap is enough to start throwing your weight around.
In the UK forexample, get up to 30% and you're required to make a bid for the remainder of the company. And umm, what do you think happens when you own 100% of the shares? oh right... you own the company. The board and the CEO are EMPLOYED by the company (which is OWNED by the shareholders) to run the company.
The same is true on a much smaller scale. If you own a resturant, you'll probably hire a resturant manager and a head chef... If the foods crap you fire the chef, if the resturaunt is going down the crapper, you fire the management.
At the end of the day, owning that many shares (and we're talking billions of dollars worth, not whatever pittance you pay in your pension), then you have a lot of money, and in the corporate world, money=power. Just because you and your 5 whole shares which equates to 0.00001% of the company, and no one gives a crap what you think? pah. I've ranted enough. Go and read a grown up newspaper... the kind without the naked girls on the cover... the kind without a sports section.
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publicly accessible areas
lets break that down... areas which are accessible, to the public.
So you mean any land that any member of the public could get to. So tell me... how do people get to your front door if its not accessible? You have a moat? I want a moat...
Same reason the US military should probably change their default windows server passwords?
That said, the US military will probably win that fight, but somehow I doubt the same logic will be applied in court vs Google.
Mac users drop the soap on purpose. you know, cause they're gay.
I would go one further and say it was akin to consentual sex, later claimed as rape by the "victim"
Oh yes, Americans are the only ones sitting in foriegn Jails on drug charges... couldn't possibly happen to anyone else... like that brit who got 6 years in Dubai for having 0.003g of cannabis on his shoe.
I would say a better analogy would be having a large amount of land, with a "keep off the grass sign".. as soon as someone wanders across out of curiosity, sue them for the cost of a 12ft electrified perimeter fence, gaurd towers, etc, and send them to jail for breaking into a highly secretive classified military base.
This story has been in the British press for a few days, and I find the whole thing disgusting. As mentioned elsewhere, the $900k was the cost of securing these systems after this guys just walked in with default windows passwords... The stupid thing is that the whole case is based around this guys being a fucking terrorist... OH NOES SOMEONE DID SOMETHING TO WRONG AMERICA... They are a terrorist and should be locked away forever... if he wasn't from the UK they'd probably decide to bomb his fucking hometown as well.
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Makes me think of the release date for the WoW expansion. Blizzard said soon, sometime last year; "Soon" - Copyright 2004-2008 Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. All rights reserved. "Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between Blizzard Entertainment and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, Blizzard does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as Blizzard will not be liable for any misuse, use, or even casual glancing at "soon."
But does it run linux? Oh wait... I see
umm.... easier to build a new planet? find a nice orbit (not too far away to make things easy) easy peasy.
How could XP have started a trend on what windows looked like? its the only windows that looks like that... 95, 98, 2k all looked similar, then xp was differant, then vista was differant. On a personal note, I've been using Vista since release. I've had only very minor problems with it, and they've all been fixed now. I'd expect some problems with any spanky new software. Anyway, point is, it works perfectly for me, pretty much always has. I don't get slow down on games or anything... I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Its a nice OS.