Miss my point friend.. I want laws that say they have to show the price for the hardware and the software when I buy. So I can clearly see the price I am paying for both sales. And if I want to buy them separately of each other I can. This will stop the bundling of Windows and OS X with hardware.
If I don't want OS X why should I have to pay for it simple as that. I like OS X, but I don't like Windows, It would be small minded of me to say Windows bundling should stop and not too say anything about OS X just because I happen to like the software.
For the me it doesn't matter because I going use OS X the same way it doesn't matter to the boat load of Windows user that it comes bundle with their PC or laptop as they are going to use it. but on the other side when I get a new laptops, I hate have to dodge the windows tax.
It all about the perspective of want you want form your purchase.
Personally I think we need new laws that separate the purchase of hardware and software. So people know what they are buying, because in sales whether it be Microsoft Windows or a Netgear router you are buying software as well as the hardware.
Form my posts on/. any one can see I am a fan of Mac’s so running OS X without the hardware defeats the purpose of the platform for me.
But I can see it form the other side. What if I wanted to buy Mac hardware but want to run Linux or Windows, why should I have to pay for the development and sale price of OS X if I am not going to use it. We use the same argument against OEM’s with MS Windows.
If you switch the situation and just want the software, I can see that point as well. But I would not hold Apple responsible to support me in any way.
Who is funding Psystar? I don’t think it’s Microsoft as that would be a dumb move ether way it goes. I think it is one of the OEM’s myself, as they have noting to lose if this goes Apple’s way and hole lot to gain if it doesn’t.
Apple needs to stop this now before the EULA is really tested, it might go their way this time. But it will not stop, people and companies want OS X and if any thing about technology has been proven to us, is that they will find a way to run.
I think Apple should license OS X now while they have the power to put in place some restriction. They could make the license ridiculous priced and restrictive, The OEM’s would still lap it up for the chance to get rid of Windows. As for Linux the OEM’s have dabbled it this space. But they still have the 1980’s mentality of they would rather license the software than level the playing field with their competitors.
A company that licenses OS X would not be able to use Apple trademarks. But the OEM’s could call it Dell OS or something like that and it would be “OS X compatible”. They could make a range of premium computing to stay in the price range of Mac’s.
As to argument that it will kill Apple it could do, but they are in different places now and the market has changed a hole lot since then.
We are a smart bunch, but so dumb some times. I say the average I.Q is what 130+ and yet we are so egotistical that we think advertisement does not work on us.
Of course the dumb rating system will not work on us, but they get us other ways.
I will use the iPhone as the best example of this, we ignore the silly ads. you know the lame ones that are comply unrealistic. They get to us through nerd speak,specs, and its almost like we get off on it. Then we got out and buy it. Knowing the limitations and the bad points. No mater how bad because it is cool tech. Since everyone in the tech crow has one, the dumb adverts now work on the average customer.
Gaming is still a young market they will grow up, but for now this still works.
Compare two reviews one for P.C games and one for console games and the focus be will completely different, yet they are selling the same thing.
Adverts and reviews are make for the target audience that will most likely buy the product.
You can tell how well a market is doing by it’s adverts, Razors are still sold to you like your twelve and it still works.
Isn't this just a separation of root binaries/local binaries, I mean if the packages are signed and placed in a users dir and the user can not install unsigned apps. Then I seen don’t really see a problem with this. It might increase the attack vector a little bit.
But I could see this helping in a corporate environment. Admin could deploy a standard set of apps, and the different department would deploy there own, Then the user could use his own personal email and browser that best fits with there workflow.
I will properly stick with the Debian/Ubuntu way, but I an not blankly ruling this out as a deployment method until I know more about the pros and cons.
I think the reaction is a bit over the top
OMG!!!! my box will get pwned
I will give the Fedora devs a chance and run this in a virtual machine for testing.
Its the same with all operating systems what are the default policies for the systems? Why do you think there is 1001 flavours of linux no one distro, Will fit all ways of administration.
I have a friend who got overbilled by a lot, and decided to settle instead of going to court over it.
Thats my main problem with mobile network operators they are the biggest money grabbing bastards to walk the planet. The amount of times I have had to go to small clams court for clients because of unfair charges is a joke (all tho T-mobile are best in this respect).
I am jobless at the moment so bills are piling up and I have not paid my broadband (virgin media) for three months, so they cut me off, rang up paid off a month and I was back up with the hour.
With O2 I missed one payment two weeks later I was blocked and they will not let me back on until I pay all of it back. So I am getting hammered in bills for something I am not even able to use.
This is the last time, That I am going on an 18 month contract, Form now on it’s monthly rolling contract and I will pay for the phone out of pocket, It might cost me more in the long run, But at least I will not beholden to some anachronism contract that should have been outlawed years ago.
Good look with you 24 month contracts, I am not going anywhere near them.
In OS X press Ctrl + F2 to get to the menu-bar and if you want the Edit menu just type edit and if you want the File menu just type file and so on, when you want to go down a menu just press Enter and type what you need next, can be used like that on any menu in OS X. Think of it like a filter. Easy when you know how.
Makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Does not limit the amount of key combos that you can have compared to the Alt + Key way and you do not need to learn a sequence of keys but you can. it is natural language, you don't have to look for the underscore, it always starts with the first letter, and most of us read left-to-right so it is natural.
At first OS X drove me bat shit crazy the way it works, but after reading the manuals and other users on how OS X work. I could not use another OS now for my desktop needs. I only needed a proprietary application for a couple of months for a job and after two months with OS X, I switch from Linux (8 years) to OS X and after stepping out of the FOSS world. OS X has showed me that Linux might have surpassed Windows years ago but its got a long way to go before it beats OS X in terms of usability.
Before you get mad at the way OS X work like I use to do. A bit of research and you find the reasoning for the way Apple dose things and their will be a moment when you think to yourself dam that is cleaver and f**k that makes a lot of sense.
And why the hell is no one else in the tech world doing what Apple dose. Love or hate Apple but credit where credit is due they think outside the view of the Windows/Gnome/XFCE/KDE crowed and I think its for the better.
“Its amazing that it takes Micro$oft 6 years to what the Linux, community can get done in 6 weeks”
I always wonder how this happen so fast as well, its like I woke up one day everybody had gone 64Bit. But one day at my local lug, Alan Cox was there and we got taking about 64Bit drivers and he said that when he was working at Red Hat the code for the Alpha port helped a lot. Plus Linux has been in the 64bit space for a while it just commodity hardware caught up. Microsoft are not know for being ahead of thing, there just playing catch up. I take you point that FOSS did the transition better it just wasn’t as magical as you put it.
This is Google at its best, IE is the lowers common denominator when it comes to browsers and Microsoft knows it.
Microsoft is not fixing IE to slow Google down in the WebApp space.
This is Google's shots across the bowel. Basically fix Microsoft or we will.
Chrome was shot one, develop a browser that's half done. That does the things IE can not do, speed and standards.
This is shot two, A plugin which users hate installing, I need a plugin to use Google Wave? How come I don't need it with Firefox,Chrome,etc?
I bet this will be heavy on Google branding just to rub it in.
Shot three ChromeOS, This is just to piss off Microsoft, Google is becoming Microsoft to beat Microsoft, A one stop solution for software and the OS is just the perfectly integrated tool.(I know this was announced before the plugin)
Google are stepping on all of Microsoft's toes, browser, mail, OS, Office.
It's the marketing war of the century and Google hates Microsoft, the only other company I have seen with a blind hatred of Microsoft was Sun, but Google could win.
Google is the Do No Evil, relaxed, community giving, freebie galore, cool web tools company.
While Microsoft is the stuffy, evil empire,broken software,lax security,uninventive company.
Microsoft took out IBM and Google will take out Microsoft (offcourse they will live on is some form or another, but a shadow of their former self's)
Microsoft is the new IBM big, blotted, slow thinking, and Google is the new Microsoft a small company with inventive ideas.
Google will become the next evil empire and in 15 years Google will be on the road to a slow death at the hand on a new company.
It plays out like a Greek myth, The father will kill the son and so on.....
Sounds stupid right?
I used too build every PC from components for my clients, but these day's it is just not needed.
Apart from one of cases like Raid,Server,Render Box,etc.
Desktop's are generic and it's cheaper and faster just to order a pre-built one form eBay and most of the time there is no OS installed or Windows is an option.
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People just put pirate copy's of windows on them.
It's a cut throat race to the cheapest possible price on eBay and Microsoft can not strong arm them like say Dell, because it does not hurt them to sell PC's without Windows it helps them.
I know Joe Six-Pack, is not going to be installing his own OS any time soon.
But a geeky friend says I get you a new PC, by the way it's running a pirate copy of Windows.
Joe will say It works and I save money, I don't give a s**t.
Microsoft protection racket is broken, the only thing they gain is market share and that don't pay the bills.
Sorry if i come a cross as a troll but the iplayer
is no where near HD, 640 pixels wide is not HD
and don't get me started about the bit rate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television#Standard_Display_Resolutions
Even you average MVK 720p TV rip is border line HD. Due to the bit rate been squashed down.
A 4Mbit ADSL will die under a true HD stream.
And this the whole reason they are pushing these upgrades, the UK broadband infrastructure is still copper based.
It is fine for web but the cracks start to show when it comes to rich content like HDTV over IP, VoIP,Video chat, Massive data transfer.
If you want to see the difference between them. Then download a episode from BBC iPlayer, then a 720p TV rip plus a music video at 720p
The average size of the video will be like this
iPlayer 350MB
TV Rip 1.2GB
Music Video 200MB if H264 and about 400MB for MPGE2
The music video will trash the rest in quality.
I would give you links but copyright prevents me. If I could call it a test of video quality I would host them myself but fair usage does not exist in the UK.
I remember reading about the OpenMoko long before the iPhone, and the day the final spec where out I when and bought an Iphone why, no 3G or EDGE
Apple leave 3G out of the first gen iPhone and they get crucified, but this phone has no 3G or EDGE and it is OK because it is open source? WTF!
I would love an open phone.
But you have to be the first one to the market with mobile's because of those 18 month contracts.
Why do I have to wait two years for them to catch up with other company's who have stuff already on the self?
No other company offers the functionality of the iPhone.
Yes Yes, you had email and internet on mobile phones for years but was it nice to use, I bet not.
I think Android will be the big player in the future, but they approach is broken due to Java.
With Linux becoming more and more popular,
I had high hopes for OpenMoko because developers could code in a simpler environment as both
desktop and mobile application could share the same code base.
I know software stacks don't just grow over night, trust me the iPhone has problems of it's own.
I also think the next big thing is MID's, when Intel announced this I thought they were mad. But after using a development one with 3G and Skype, it was one of the best experience with a mobile device
bar none, crappy battery life was the only problem and this is where Intel will lose to ARM.
If I could get the same MID with cellular phone capability's and an ARM CPU,
My iPhone would be straight in the blender.
As the 3G on the iPhone is shit, the same MID as above had a full bars of 3G where I live
but the iPhone, I only seen two or three in some areas.
So if the next software update does not fix this, I will be sending it back and looking for an new mobile.
And it will not be for OpenMoko or Apple because of constant delays and sub par hardware.
yes yes call me a troll or a whatever but it's not about have today's bleeding edge,
it's about tomorrows foundations
I do not want to buy V2 it a year or two when my AJAX apps take
five days to load
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Miss my point friend.. I want laws that say they have to show the price for the hardware and the software when I buy. So I can clearly see the price I am paying for both sales. And if I want to buy them separately of each other I can. This will stop the bundling of Windows and OS X with hardware.
If I don't want OS X why should I have to pay for it simple as that. I like OS X, but I don't like Windows, It would be small minded of me to say Windows bundling should stop and not too say anything about OS X just because I happen to like the software.
For the me it doesn't matter because I going use OS X the same way it doesn't matter to the boat load of Windows user that it comes bundle with their PC or laptop as they are going to use it. but on the other side when I get a new laptops, I hate have to dodge the windows tax.
It all about the perspective of want you want form your purchase.
That's all, no long post about rights,ethics and shitty ISP's. Terminating my line tomorrow, I am done with this stupid company.
As much as I hate CNET’s cheesy articles this was obviously meant as a joke fluff piece.
Look at the banners depicting the fight. It was just a whimsical piece of old tech vs new tech.
Overall it has shown we may have more pixels and pretty colours now.
But we have not come that far, innovation wise since the 90’s.
Personally I think we need new laws that separate the purchase of hardware and software.
So people know what they are buying, because in sales whether it be Microsoft Windows or a Netgear router you are buying software as well as the hardware.
Form my posts on /. any one can see I am a fan of Mac’s so running OS X without the hardware defeats the purpose of the platform for me.
But I can see it form the other side. What if I wanted to buy Mac hardware but want to run Linux or Windows, why should I have to pay for the development and sale price of OS X if I am not going to use it. We use the same argument against OEM’s with MS Windows.
If you switch the situation and just want the software, I can see that point as well. But I would not hold Apple responsible to support me in any way.
Who is funding Psystar?
I don’t think it’s Microsoft as that would be a dumb move ether way it goes.
I think it is one of the OEM’s myself, as they have noting to lose if this goes Apple’s way and hole lot to gain if it doesn’t.
Apple needs to stop this now before the EULA is really tested, it might go their way this time. But it will not stop, people and companies want OS X and if any thing about technology has been proven to us, is that they will find a way to run.
I think Apple should license OS X now while they have the power to put in place some restriction. They could make the license ridiculous priced and restrictive, The OEM’s would still lap it up for the chance to get rid of Windows. As for Linux the OEM’s have dabbled it this space. But they still have the 1980’s mentality of they would rather license the software than level the playing field with their competitors.
A company that licenses OS X would not be able to use Apple trademarks. But the OEM’s could call it Dell OS or something like that and it would be “OS X compatible”. They could make a range of premium computing to stay in the price range of Mac’s.
As to argument that it will kill Apple it could do, but they are in different places now and the market has changed a hole lot since then.
We are a smart bunch, but so dumb some times. I say the average I.Q is what 130+ and yet we are so egotistical that we think advertisement does not work on us.
Of course the dumb rating system will not work on us, but they get us other ways.
I will use the iPhone as the best example of this, we ignore the silly ads. you know the lame ones that are comply unrealistic. They get to us through nerd speak,specs, and its almost like we get off on it. Then we got out and buy it. Knowing the limitations and the bad points.
No mater how bad because it is cool tech. Since everyone in the tech crow has one, the dumb adverts now work on the average customer.
Gaming is still a young market they will grow up, but for now this still works.
Compare two reviews one for P.C games and one for console games and the focus be will completely different, yet they are selling the same thing.
Adverts and reviews are make for the target audience that will most likely buy the product.
You can tell how well a market is doing by it’s adverts, Razors are still sold to you like your twelve and it still works.
Sent form my iPhone.
Isn't this just a separation of root binaries/local binaries, I mean if the packages are signed and placed in a users dir and the user can not install unsigned apps. Then I seen don’t really see a problem with this. It might increase the attack vector a little bit.
But I could see this helping in a corporate environment. Admin could deploy a standard set of apps, and the different department would deploy there own, Then the user could use his own personal email and browser that best fits with there workflow.
I will properly stick with the Debian/Ubuntu way, but I an not blankly ruling this out as a deployment method until I know more about the pros and cons.
I think the reaction is a bit over the top
OMG!!!! my box will get pwned
I will give the Fedora devs a chance and run this in a virtual machine for testing.
Its the same with all operating systems what are the default policies for the systems?
Why do you think there is 1001 flavours of linux no one distro, Will fit all ways of administration.
I have a friend who got overbilled by a lot, and decided to settle instead of going to court over it.
Thats my main problem with mobile network operators they are the biggest money grabbing bastards to walk the planet. The amount of times I have had to go to small clams court for clients because of unfair charges is a joke (all tho T-mobile are best in this respect).
I am jobless at the moment so bills are piling up and I have not paid my broadband (virgin media) for three months, so they cut me off, rang up paid off a month and I was back up with the hour.
With O2 I missed one payment two weeks later I was blocked and they will not let me back on until I pay all of it back. So I am getting hammered in bills for something I am not even able to use.
This is the last time, That I am going on an 18 month contract, Form now on it’s monthly rolling contract and I will pay for the phone out of pocket, It might cost me more in the long run, But at least I will not beholden to some anachronism contract that should have been outlawed years ago.
Good look with you 24 month contracts, I am not going anywhere near them.
In OS X press Ctrl + F2 to get to the menu-bar and if you want the Edit menu just type edit and if you want the File menu just type file and so on, when you want to go down a menu just press Enter and type what you need next, can be used like that on any menu in OS X. Think of it like a filter. Easy when you know how.
Makes a lot of sense when you think about it. Does not limit the amount of key combos that you can have compared to the Alt + Key way and you do not need to learn a sequence of keys but you can.
it is natural language, you don't have to look for the underscore, it always starts with the first letter, and most of us read left-to-right so it is natural.
At first OS X drove me bat shit crazy the way it works, but after reading the manuals and other users on how OS X work. I could not use another OS now for my desktop needs. I only needed a proprietary application for a couple of months for a job and after two months with OS X, I switch from Linux (8 years) to OS X and after stepping out of the FOSS world. OS X has showed me that Linux might have surpassed Windows years ago but its got a long way to go before it beats OS X in terms of usability.
Before you get mad at the way OS X work like I use to do. A bit of research and you find the reasoning for the way Apple dose things and their will be a moment when you think to yourself dam that is cleaver and f**k that makes a lot of sense.
And why the hell is no one else in the tech world doing what Apple dose. Love or hate Apple but credit where credit is due they think outside the view of the Windows/Gnome/XFCE/KDE crowed and I think its for the better.
“Its amazing that it takes Micro$oft 6 years to what the Linux, community can get done in 6 weeks”
I always wonder how this happen so fast as well, its like I woke up one day everybody had gone 64Bit. But one day at my local lug, Alan Cox was there and we got taking about 64Bit drivers and he said that when he was working at Red Hat the code for the Alpha port helped a lot.
Plus Linux has been in the 64bit space for a while it just commodity hardware caught up.
Microsoft are not know for being ahead of thing, there just playing catch up.
I take you point that FOSS did the transition better it just wasn’t as magical as you put it.
Barry's not that big......
This is Google at its best, IE is the lowers common denominator when it comes to browsers and Microsoft knows it.
Microsoft is not fixing IE to slow Google down in the WebApp space.
This is Google's shots across the bowel. Basically fix Microsoft or we will.
Chrome was shot one, develop a browser that's half done.
That does the things IE can not do, speed and standards.
This is shot two, A plugin which users hate installing, I need a plugin to use Google Wave? How come I don't need it with Firefox,Chrome,etc?
I bet this will be heavy on Google branding just to rub it in.
Shot three ChromeOS, This is just to piss off Microsoft, Google is becoming Microsoft to beat Microsoft, A one stop solution for software and the OS is just the perfectly integrated tool.(I know this was announced before the plugin)
Google are stepping on all of Microsoft's toes, browser, mail, OS, Office.
It's the marketing war of the century and Google hates Microsoft, the only other company I have seen with a blind hatred of Microsoft was Sun, but Google could win.
Google is the Do No Evil, relaxed, community giving, freebie galore, cool web tools company.
While Microsoft is the stuffy, evil empire,broken software,lax security,uninventive company.
Microsoft took out IBM and Google will take out Microsoft (offcourse they will live on is some form or another, but a shadow of their former self's)
Microsoft is the new IBM big, blotted, slow thinking, and Google is the new Microsoft a small company with inventive ideas.
Google will become the next evil empire and in 15 years Google will be on the road to a slow death at the hand on a new company.
It plays out like a Greek myth, The father will kill the son and so on.....
Sounds stupid right?
I used too build every PC from components for my clients, but these day's it is just not needed. Apart from one of cases like Raid,Server,Render Box,etc.
Desktop's are generic and it's cheaper and faster just to order a pre-built one form eBay and most of the time there is no OS installed or Windows is an option.
ï People just put pirate copy's of windows on them.
It's a cut throat race to the cheapest possible price on eBay and Microsoft can not strong arm them like say Dell, because it does not hurt them to sell PC's without Windows it helps them.
I know Joe Six-Pack, is not going to be installing his own OS any time soon.
But a geeky friend says I get you a new PC, by the way it's running a pirate copy of Windows.
Joe will say It works and I save money, I don't give a s**t.
Microsoft protection racket is broken, the only thing they gain is market share and that don't pay the bills.
A suit with a clue, might have to switch form current ISP Virgin Media.
Who's CEO is a tool of the highest order, by saying Net Neutrality was bollocks.
Really it should be Illegal for content providers to own an ISP.
The amount of power these content providers are getting is scary.
If I played a song down my phone line and the other person recorded it, that would be like retro file sharing.
But they would never get a judge to sign a wire tap for that, so why do they have the power to do it to my internet connection?
In terms of performance Itanium is a bit of a CISCy
Do not buy the Palm Pre, I watch the tech demo and the guy must of said "Synergy" twenty times.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Synergy+palm+pre&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/palm-pre-ces.html
http://xkcd.com/198/
"While the Atom needs 132.8 seconds to display simple HTML pages"
Good to see IE8 coming out of beta
I forgot the main point what functionality is inside Google Update thats vital to Google Earth for it to work
NONE!
All of you points are true but my problem with it is you HAVE to install it for Google earth to run.
I have one Google product on my Mac and I can update it myself.
If it came with the software as an option then fine I would install but don't force me.
And what if you manage a corporate network and you want to downgrade because of a bug/compatibility and it keeps updating?
Sparkle works for me and it asks me, even if Google solution is better on a tech level it fails on ethics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkle_(software)
Imagine trying to do everything with that one button it has!
I think it was called the click wheel. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#User_interface
So that smell was my mac, Not my dog dropping Hiroshima farts.
The BBC iPlayer already offers TV shows in HD.
Sorry if i come a cross as a troll but the iplayer is no where near HD, 640 pixels wide is not HD and don't get me started about the bit rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television#Standard_Display_Resolutions
Even you average MVK 720p TV rip is border line HD.
Due to the bit rate been squashed down.
A 4Mbit ADSL will die under a true HD stream.
And this the whole reason they are pushing these upgrades, the UK broadband infrastructure is still copper based.
It is fine for web but the cracks start to show when it comes to rich content like HDTV over IP, VoIP,Video chat, Massive data transfer.
If you want to see the difference between them. Then download a episode from BBC iPlayer, then a 720p TV rip plus a music video at 720p
The average size of the video will be like this
iPlayer 350MB
TV Rip 1.2GB
Music Video 200MB if H264 and about 400MB for MPGE2
The music video will trash the rest in quality.
I would give you links but copyright prevents me. If I could call it a test of video quality I would host them myself but fair usage does not exist in the UK.
I remember reading about the OpenMoko long before the iPhone, and the day the final spec where out I when and bought an Iphone why, no 3G or EDGE
Apple leave 3G out of the first gen iPhone and they get crucified, but this phone has no 3G or EDGE and it is OK because it is open source? WTF!
I would love an open phone. But you have to be the first one to the market with mobile's because of those 18 month contracts. Why do I have to wait two years for them to catch up with other company's who have stuff already on the self?
No other company offers the functionality of the iPhone. Yes Yes, you had email and internet on mobile phones for years but was it nice to use, I bet not.
I think Android will be the big player in the future, but they approach is broken due to Java.
With Linux becoming more and more popular, I had high hopes for OpenMoko because developers could code in a simpler environment as both desktop and mobile application could share the same code base.
I know software stacks don't just grow over night, trust me the iPhone has problems of it's own.
I also think the next big thing is MID's, when Intel announced this I thought they were mad. But after using a development one with 3G and Skype, it was one of the best experience with a mobile device bar none, crappy battery life was the only problem and this is where Intel will lose to ARM.
If I could get the same MID with cellular phone capability's and an ARM CPU, My iPhone would be straight in the blender.
As the 3G on the iPhone is shit, the same MID as above had a full bars of 3G where I live but the iPhone, I only seen two or three in some areas.
So if the next software update does not fix this, I will be sending it back and looking for an new mobile. And it will not be for OpenMoko or Apple because of constant delays and sub par hardware.
Rant over
yes yes call me a troll or a whatever but it's not about have today's bleeding edge, it's about tomorrows foundations I do not want to buy V2 it a year or two when my AJAX apps take five days to load
money spent now save time later
You completely missed my point USB will all ways be USB no mater how much bandwidth they give it.
It will never match firewire in Throughput, latency, access time etc.