Here we have the financial equivalent of the thankfully age old superstitious and usually religious belief that one person or a group of people could cause the weather to go bad or cause some other crisis-producing natural event.
The enlightenment put paid to that didn't it?
We need another one it seems, an enlightenment from out of the darkness of the deluge of economic dogma we all live under... or in other words... capitalist mythology is soooo the matrix.
... heard one of them? No, seriously, everyone get excited about THIS promise by a politician, all the other ones weren't about mega-fast pornband, sorry, i mean broadband.
... Kudos (Iain M Banks, The Algebraist). He also said that money was a sign of poverty (The State of the Art). And yes, this was WAY before the current economic crisis.
OK, we were talking about the State, and now you're talking about the Law, excuse my idiocy, i didn't realize you'd changed the subject.
And for your edification it's revolutionary socialist, not anarchist -- we believe in the State as something transitionary as we rid the world of the vestiges of Class, but in EVERY case, it is still an oppressive institution. We're talking about the STATE, ie, an armed body of men, which is decidedly NOT neutral as opposed to the concept of LAW which could be, depending on whether its based upon a society DIVIDED against itself, ie a class society.
Ooops, sorry for all that argument and information, i forgot for a moment there that i was an idiot and wasn't in fact replying to one! Silly me.
The existence of a State implies a class society, that is, a society where one section lives upon the labor of another. Down with class society and the State institutions that prop it up! A State is unjust by DEFINITION.
Great. You're from the USA. I don't think a couple of slashdot replies can really penetrate your country's glorious myth making machine but i'll try anways!:) i will make it brief:
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Capital is a social product. Yet, the benefit of capitalism is private. Therein lies a contradiction.
Products aren't produced because there is a clearly defined allocation of need, they are produced in the hopes of realising a profit. Therein lies a contradiction.
Human beings are social creatures that developed their humanity by shared living and cooperation, over a long period of time, and we lived in clans and commonly owned the means of production. Classes did not exist. The behavior of people living in these societies constitutes our human nature. Class society is only a relatively recent human development, and is not a system of solidarity by any definition. Capitalism is the first class society to try to justify organised selfishness and obviously includes this within its ideology, which you've just regurgitated to some degree. Class society produces anti-social behavior, it is not part of our human nature so don't besmirch it so. Although i would agree with the claim that our human nature is slowly but surely being modified. Therein lies a contradiction we probably won't survive. Capitalism, as i've tried to explain, has contradictions built in to the system that, unless resolved, will send us back to a more barbarous time, ie barbarism.
And finally, world financial crisis, what world financial crisis? Go capitalism!
I not conflating anything, i am using contested words that you are choosing to define differently to their original meaning, ie "Class".
Let me be clear regarding the theory of class oppression: the employees of the world only have their labor power to sell in order to survive. They are not paid in full for the value of their labor, and they are only given enough in order for them to reproduce their lives (so they can go to work the next week). The class of employers lives upon the labor of their employees. This is their "loot", ie the surplus value that is extracted in the form of profit. In a true anti-capitalist country, it is illegal to profit, or exploit, another human being. Now i think i am being clear.
So for the class of employees to be "raised" up to the class of employers is patently absurb, as i thought i explained earlier.
It is absurd to talk about 'bring[ing] the lower class to the higher level', that would be akin to the entire class of employers across the world volunteering to share their loot with the people they looted from! What's your plan, are you going to ask them nicely?!
The term "class" does NOT describe different income levels of groups of people, using it this way does not accurately reflect the concept of social classes, which is that in a class society one section lives upon the labor of another.
Next you'll be telling me you didn't know capitalism was a system of exploitation and oppression!
...so what do we do about the state-sponsored ones? I'm so sick and tired of being asked to fear the negligible threat, when its the State that i should be worrying about.
There is something i simply DON'T UNDERSTAND that maybe the OP or an American or evern a Vietnamese could tell me. The reason the US decided to invade Vietnam over, which resulted in the 'Vietnam War' which killed millions and poisoned entire generations, still exists doesn't it? What's changed? Either the US was wrong to invade and kill so many people so they should say so (the US has never apologized or paid reparations for the 15 year war) or it was the right thing to do. But if it was the right thing to do, why not go back and finish the job? The US invaded Iraq and killed over a million without too much fuss, surely for the sake of freedom and democracy we can do the same for the Vietnamese?
The day AVG started deleting CMDOW.EXE (a very useful utility to hide DOS box windows) BY DEFAULT when it does its scheduled scan (which is set to on by default), was the day the straw broke this camel's back.
OK, fine, most people won't have CMDOW.EXE on their system legitmately (ie they didn't put it there themselves) and so if they do have that file, something nefarious has happened at some stage. But for all devs that do use this file (and others like it), AVG is not a friend, not even in the slightest.
So, that leaves the non-devs, and there's enough of them around to build a business model based upon offering the program for free in order to get some paying customers. So, Sometimes, if building a PC for a complete noob and i wasn't going to have to maintain it afterwards, i would ignore my hatred of AVG and just install the latest free ed so at least the user would have a relatively trouble-free anti-virus solution.
Now, AVG has no doubt ruined many a noobs week because their computer doesn't work and they have no idea how to fix it. Great one AVG!
I now have a delete-on-sight-with-a-scorched-earth-attitude policy with regard to AVG (was previously only an ignore-at-all-costs-except-when-really-lazy policy).
Can all members of the technical elite follow suit? Thanks.
... having a say in the running of your country or is it voting for someone else to have a say?
Is it a democracy when 150,000 people are represented by one non-recallable politician, or is it when 500-2000 people (ie a community) elect a person who best articulates their wishes and who can be instantly recalled.
Social Software won't do jack to improve the first kind of democracy (the bullshit one we are forced to live with today), but i can imagine that it will help with organising the second type.
... it is the final straw! I have read soooo many tales of a better computer experience with a linux OS that i've finally started on the path to having kubuntu installed with my new resolve to spend a definite amount of time using it. Yes, it was this story. Be proud! I was going to wait until my rage against Windows was incandescent, but why wait till then? I will still probably use Windows XP for years to come but no way am i going near Vista. So i better get my hands wet with linux, hey.
It will also be better for my karma if i switch to linux and open source programs. I haven't purchased a piece of software for over 10 years now and no matter how much of a communist you are, you still get the feelings of guilt of not letting a simple legal fiction (ie proprietory software) get in the way of using all the wonderful programs that can be got from emule. These feeling come every now and then. About twice a year. If that!
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The enlightenment put paid to that didn't it?
We need another one it seems, an enlightenment from out of the darkness of the deluge of economic dogma we all live under ... or in other words ... capitalist mythology is soooo the matrix.
... heard one of them? No, seriously, everyone get excited about THIS promise by a politician, all the other ones weren't about mega-fast pornband, sorry, i mean broadband.
... Kudos (Iain M Banks, The Algebraist). He also said that money was a sign of poverty (The State of the Art). And yes, this was WAY before the current economic crisis.
so any misgivings i have about using it have disappeared with the new 0.9.9 release. It's da bomb yet again.
And for your edification it's revolutionary socialist, not anarchist -- we believe in the State as something transitionary as we rid the world of the vestiges of Class, but in EVERY case, it is still an oppressive institution. We're talking about the STATE, ie, an armed body of men, which is decidedly NOT neutral as opposed to the concept of LAW which could be, depending on whether its based upon a society DIVIDED against itself, ie a class society.
Ooops, sorry for all that argument and information, i forgot for a moment there that i was an idiot and wasn't in fact replying to one! Silly me.
The existence of a State implies a class society, that is, a society where one section lives upon the labor of another. Down with class society and the State institutions that prop it up! A State is unjust by DEFINITION.
dude, please don't feed the gun-toting trolls from the US. Good guess on what he reads for information but seriously ... don't feed the trolls!
i'm so glad i didn't have to say this! Well said mate.
... seen this sort of culture developing and THEN had written '1984'
.
Capital is a social product. Yet, the benefit of capitalism is private. Therein lies a contradiction.
Products aren't produced because there is a clearly defined allocation of need, they are produced in the hopes of realising a profit. Therein lies a contradiction.
Human beings are social creatures that developed their humanity by shared living and cooperation, over a long period of time, and we lived in clans and commonly owned the means of production. Classes did not exist. The behavior of people living in these societies constitutes our human nature. Class society is only a relatively recent human development, and is not a system of solidarity by any definition. Capitalism is the first class society to try to justify organised selfishness and obviously includes this within its ideology, which you've just regurgitated to some degree. Class society produces anti-social behavior, it is not part of our human nature so don't besmirch it so. Although i would agree with the claim that our human nature is slowly but surely being modified. Therein lies a contradiction we probably won't survive. Capitalism, as i've tried to explain, has contradictions built in to the system that, unless resolved, will send us back to a more barbarous time, ie barbarism.
And finally, world financial crisis, what world financial crisis? Go capitalism!
Let me be clear regarding the theory of class oppression: the employees of the world only have their labor power to sell in order to survive. They are not paid in full for the value of their labor, and they are only given enough in order for them to reproduce their lives (so they can go to work the next week). The class of employers lives upon the labor of their employees. This is their "loot", ie the surplus value that is extracted in the form of profit. In a true anti-capitalist country, it is illegal to profit, or exploit, another human being. Now i think i am being clear. So for the class of employees to be "raised" up to the class of employers is patently absurb, as i thought i explained earlier.
The term "class" does NOT describe different income levels of groups of people, using it this way does not accurately reflect the concept of social classes, which is that in a class society one section lives upon the labor of another.
Next you'll be telling me you didn't know capitalism was a system of exploitation and oppression!
...so what do we do about the state-sponsored ones? I'm so sick and tired of being asked to fear the negligible threat, when its the State that i should be worrying about.
There is something i simply DON'T UNDERSTAND that maybe the OP or an American or evern a Vietnamese could tell me. The reason the US decided to invade Vietnam over, which resulted in the 'Vietnam War' which killed millions and poisoned entire generations, still exists doesn't it? What's changed? Either the US was wrong to invade and kill so many people so they should say so (the US has never apologized or paid reparations for the 15 year war) or it was the right thing to do. But if it was the right thing to do, why not go back and finish the job? The US invaded Iraq and killed over a million without too much fuss, surely for the sake of freedom and democracy we can do the same for the Vietnamese?
We've already tried making email forwarding illegal, what's next, prosecuting peons who are clogging the tubes?
Somebody save me from my own country!
OK, fine, most people won't have CMDOW.EXE on their system legitmately (ie they didn't put it there themselves) and so if they do have that file, something nefarious has happened at some stage. But for all devs that do use this file (and others like it), AVG is not a friend, not even in the slightest.
So, that leaves the non-devs, and there's enough of them around to build a business model based upon offering the program for free in order to get some paying customers. So, Sometimes, if building a PC for a complete noob and i wasn't going to have to maintain it afterwards, i would ignore my hatred of AVG and just install the latest free ed so at least the user would have a relatively trouble-free anti-virus solution.
Now, AVG has no doubt ruined many a noobs week because their computer doesn't work and they have no idea how to fix it. Great one AVG!
I now have a delete-on-sight-with-a-scorched-earth-attitude policy with regard to AVG (was previously only an ignore-at-all-costs-except-when-really-lazy policy). Can all members of the technical elite follow suit? Thanks.
Is it a democracy when 150,000 people are represented by one non-recallable politician, or is it when 500-2000 people (ie a community) elect a person who best articulates their wishes and who can be instantly recalled.
Social Software won't do jack to improve the first kind of democracy (the bullshit one we are forced to live with today), but i can imagine that it will help with organising the second type.
... it is the final straw! I have read soooo many tales of a better computer experience with a linux OS that i've finally started on the path to having kubuntu installed with my new resolve to spend a definite amount of time using it. Yes, it was this story. Be proud! I was going to wait until my rage against Windows was incandescent, but why wait till then? I will still probably use Windows XP for years to come but no way am i going near Vista. So i better get my hands wet with linux, hey. It will also be better for my karma if i switch to linux and open source programs. I haven't purchased a piece of software for over 10 years now and no matter how much of a communist you are, you still get the feelings of guilt of not letting a simple legal fiction (ie proprietory software) get in the way of using all the wonderful programs that can be got from emule. These feeling come every now and then. About twice a year. If that!