If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Swearing is stupid, but Your deep seated need to control others speech patterns is silly.
And no - I wouldn't say fuck or whatever word triggers you in front of a child, or my mother, or Jeebuz either. I have a magic ability to tailor my speech to the group I'm with.
The $20 bill example isn't latching onto a sentence, it is summarizing your entire point. Coal gives us more time to prepare for the next step, just like the $20 bill gives you more time to look for a job. You're arguing that buying some time is pointless if that time is finite, which just isn't true.
I had a guy like you who would think in absolutes and reach erroneous conclusions. Wait I didn't, you're the first one.
You can't tell me what my argument is - sorry, AC but you cannot.
Now, stop being an anonymous coward, and I'll discuss it with you, I've wasted as much time on AC's as they deserve. for the month.
How we could ever allow one group - the mining interests, to permanently destroy land that could be useful for many purposes both profitable, providing entertainment, and ecologically sustaining is so short sighted.
This is the sort of thing I'm referring to when I say "Capitalism gone bad".
Capitalism without any sort or moral structure destroys itself.
Coal getting harder to get? No - other than due to NIMBY problems.
You don't say? NIMBY isn't the right word You don't have a back yard when they strip the coal out. Or if you are in the valley they dumped the top of the mountain they stripped to get at the coal.
Harder to ship because environmental wing nuts don't want coal trains to cross their land or coal to be shipped out their ports - yes, but harder find and extract? No.
First, Far right wing Environmentalists? Or don't you know what a wing nut is?
Second, I have know idea how you figure that a railroad's right of way can be pre-empted by these right wing environmentalists. Our local railroads carry whatever is legal to carry. We have plenty of cars that carry coal every day.
You have some interesting ideas - perhaps you have a newsletter?
I guess you wouldn't pick up a $20 bill on the ground because it's a finite resource, unlike a job which is renewable. Imagine putting all that work to pick up something that is going away the moment you pick it up!
What a weird reply. I had a guy like you that worked for me at one time. He'd latch onto a sentence, then contradict me. When the whole time he wasn't paying attention, because if he had, he would knove known what I was talking about. One of the few people I enjoyed firing.
The point is my dense friend, that if nothing is around when coal isn't economically available any more, the resulting economic upheaval will have people killing each other over that stupid 20 you tried to use as an argument.
But the analysts basically say to divest out of coal because the trajectories of many long term factors are against it. Ie: more regulations, other energy options becoming cheaper, and increasing fuel costs.
Thou, I think in our globally connected world, thinking out 20+ years is a bit difficult. You are almost guessing. 20 years ago, I don't think anyone was predicting our current situation.
Another big factor against coal - it's a finite resource, and getting harder to get. Hard to imagine putting all that work into something that is going away.
The coal shills in here and other places have a real bit of cognitive dissonance. I can only guess at the cause, but it would seem that there is some sort of story line that either coal is in infinite supply, or that even if we run out one day, just like that, we'll switch over to something else. Or more likely, not eve thinking about that.
And good luck with replacing all of this with nuc power.
Artificial? Since when does burning coal causes no CO2 emissions? Perhaps we should also start taxing those mountain hating coal mining companies for the toxic runoff from their mines that ruins the land of people down hill from their strip mining operation?... and if you think that toxic runoff is some kind of 'artificial construct' like CO2 emissions I can introduce you to some very angry Appalachian Hillbillies who are ready willing and able to let you bathe in a pond of your choosing full of toxic coal mine runoff.
And how! Not too far away from me is land that was destroyed by coal mining, and before the companies had to restore the land.
I've thought of having tours of the area to show off what has been done. And as a twist, play down he obvious environmental impact, and play up the money lost.
Streams - once highly profitable tourist fishing destinations with almost no cost of doing business, and with high earning tourists who fish and stay in hotels and eat in restaurants. Millions lost every year (adjusted for inflation)
Deforestation. The trees - if any grow after the area is strip mined - are worthless. Usless for providing profit and jobs for logging. Untold millions lost.
Real Estate. The highwalls and tailing piles look like Mars, and are a profit opportunity lost. The modern trend of building communities 10 -15 miles out of town isn't going to work. The land is destroyed,
I reckon I'll have the human Ferengi bawling like babies in no time.
That's only slightly tongue in cheek. How we could ever allow one group - the mining interests, to permanently destroy land that could be useful for many purposes both profitable, providing entertainment, and ecologically sustaining is so short sighted.
Are you kidding me? The TPS security hole is damn easy for the police to exploit, so easy that I'm downright sure most police departments are. It certainly explains my last few speeding tickets.
Y'all don't know what deflection is? It's like a story about China that suddenly becomes about 'Murrica. It's about Cohen pleading guilty to misleading congress, and Trump saying "Her emails!"
And notice that I did a purposeful example of deflection as well.
What's that you say? It's been tried already? Well, then, why were we silly enough to stop the Noble Experiment? It couldn't have failed to achieve the intended results, after all....
Not only failed to stop drinking, but allowed the ascendency of American Organized Crime.
Olive Garden around here is not very loud. I would put it on the acceptable list.
Interesting. Do they have a different wall treatment? That was really the big issue around here. Limestone rock walls, and a very reflective ceiling.
Olive Garden around here is not very loud. I would put it on the acceptable list. Contrast that to fast food horror, Jimmy Johns. The place is designed to look like a New York subway station: exposed concrete block walls, cavernous interior with some kind of metal sheeting on the ceiling, exposed metal HVAC ductwork, hard plastic seating and hard floors.
Been there, and likewise, couldn't have a conversation with the person I was having lunch with. Haven't gone back either.
Unfortunately, there are a bunch of places that have adopted that "styling" these days. When I enter a place and see cavernous rooms with exposed concrete ceilings and exposed HVAC ducting, I usually turn around and find somewhere else. My ears thank me.
I wonder if this trand has anything to do with the poor profits a lot of chains have been having the past number of years? I remember when I was dating my wife, the style was much more intimate. And you could have an actual conversation, most of what you heard from other tables was a sort of murmuring.
But with the rise of the noisy restaurant and bar scene, coupled with the parents who think that everyone loves their screaming, undisciplined kids, I don't go out to dinner much these days, only breakfast - but that's with my computer so I don't need to worry about hearing people
I just finished up the Pasta Pass, and excepting for one time I ate in the main dining area, all of my visits were in the bar section. There are less booths, and furthest away from the restrooms and kitchen doors, which means less people.
What are you other than a resource to them? Do you REALLY expect the CEO of your company to care about your granddaughters birthday party? I don't care about his? Or, anyone in the whole HR department, for that matter? I made an agreement to write code in exchange for a check every couple weeks. If they stop paying, I leave. If I find that someone will pay me more, I leave. If they need more code written, they need more resources. It really is that simple.
What I do have a problem with is the managers thinking I can work on three or four projects at once with no loss of productivity. That makes as much sense as thinking that you can used half a shovel of dirt for iron ore and the other half for copper ore. It is just a denial of how reality works.
Well, there are good and bad elements in every grouping, but at some level - yeah I do expect that. Caveat - I worked with the Directorate and Associate Directors on a daily basis, so many of us were actual real life friends. A few, such as two of the associates - were actually a bit protective of me, given that one of my faults is having a difficult time saying no.
But no, I don't expect the Suits to have some sort of great love for everyone in the organization. Just the same as you don't have any great love for them. That isn't human nature and our tendency to form class structure.
But this is one thing that is difficult to get through to slashdotters. The suits are people just like the IT people, like the Security people, like the Coders, and like the people that sweep the floor. Good and not so good. I found it to be very helpful to my career to interface in a friendly fashion with everyone, and work outside that class structure.
I have always had an issue with the name "Human Resources" Turning people into a product to be mined, used up, then discarded, just like a strip mine. Resources.
Yep, I'm thinking that the word exploited is what you are looking for . . . what the HR folks think . . . but would never dare to say.
Forget "for a business meal", why would you want to go there at all? Olive Garden is one of those places you go to because you're in the middle of nowhere, the TripAdvisor and Yelp reviews of area restaurants are all obvious shill crap, and you don't want to die of food poisoning. It's mediocre food at a semi-premium price. I'd honestly rather eat at Waffle House or IHOP.
My mentioning Olive Garden is an example of a loud restaurant, not necessarily a good one. I do like their eggplant parmesan though. Just not enough to go back any more, because of the noise.
You should be 3 baskets of breadsticks deep at that point, asking the server to just grate the cheese into your mouth because you won't be using your arms any more.
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Why the hug is this a hugging front page story?
Probably because it is stupid and silly.
And note that the prime directive has become not offending the code of conduct.
I'm expecting a revolt against patriarchal bias in the code itself will be attacked next.
If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Swearing is stupid, but Your deep seated need to control others speech patterns is silly.
And no - I wouldn't say fuck or whatever word triggers you in front of a child, or my mother, or Jeebuz either. I have a magic ability to tailor my speech to the group I'm with.
The $20 bill example isn't latching onto a sentence, it is summarizing your entire point. Coal gives us more time to prepare for the next step, just like the $20 bill gives you more time to look for a job. You're arguing that buying some time is pointless if that time is finite, which just isn't true.
I had a guy like you who would think in absolutes and reach erroneous conclusions. Wait I didn't, you're the first one.
You can't tell me what my argument is - sorry, AC but you cannot.
Now, stop being an anonymous coward, and I'll discuss it with you, I've wasted as much time on AC's as they deserve. for the month.
How we could ever allow one group - the mining interests, to permanently destroy land that could be useful for many purposes both profitable, providing entertainment, and ecologically sustaining is so short sighted.
This is the sort of thing I'm referring to when I say "Capitalism gone bad".
Capitalism without any sort or moral structure destroys itself.
Coal getting harder to get? No - other than due to NIMBY problems.
You don't say? NIMBY isn't the right word You don't have a back yard when they strip the coal out. Or if you are in the valley they dumped the top of the mountain they stripped to get at the coal.
Harder to ship because environmental wing nuts don't want coal trains to cross their land or coal to be shipped out their ports - yes, but harder find and extract? No.
First, Far right wing Environmentalists? Or don't you know what a wing nut is?
Second, I have know idea how you figure that a railroad's right of way can be pre-empted by these right wing environmentalists. Our local railroads carry whatever is legal to carry. We have plenty of cars that carry coal every day.
You have some interesting ideas - perhaps you have a newsletter?
The highwalls and tailing piles look like Mars, and are a profit opportunity lost.
Uh, does Elon know about this?
Never thought of that! Could be a great place to train.
I guess you wouldn't pick up a $20 bill on the ground because it's a finite resource, unlike a job which is renewable. Imagine putting all that work to pick up something that is going away the moment you pick it up!
What a weird reply. I had a guy like you that worked for me at one time. He'd latch onto a sentence, then contradict me. When the whole time he wasn't paying attention, because if he had, he would knove known what I was talking about. One of the few people I enjoyed firing.
The point is my dense friend, that if nothing is around when coal isn't economically available any more, the resulting economic upheaval will have people killing each other over that stupid 20 you tried to use as an argument.
Now take a chill, and pay attention.
But the analysts basically say to divest out of coal because the trajectories of many long term factors are against it. Ie: more regulations, other energy options becoming cheaper, and increasing fuel costs.
Thou, I think in our globally connected world, thinking out 20+ years is a bit difficult. You are almost guessing. 20 years ago, I don't think anyone was predicting our current situation.
Another big factor against coal - it's a finite resource, and getting harder to get. Hard to imagine putting all that work into something that is going away.
The coal shills in here and other places have a real bit of cognitive dissonance. I can only guess at the cause, but it would seem that there is some sort of story line that either coal is in infinite supply, or that even if we run out one day, just like that, we'll switch over to something else. Or more likely, not eve thinking about that.
And good luck with replacing all of this with nuc power.
Artificial? Since when does burning coal causes no CO2 emissions? Perhaps we should also start taxing those mountain hating coal mining companies for the toxic runoff from their mines that ruins the land of people down hill from their strip mining operation? ... and if you think that toxic runoff is some kind of 'artificial construct' like CO2 emissions I can introduce you to some very angry Appalachian Hillbillies who are ready willing and able to let you bathe in a pond of your choosing full of toxic coal mine runoff.
And how! Not too far away from me is land that was destroyed by coal mining, and before the companies had to restore the land.
I've thought of having tours of the area to show off what has been done. And as a twist, play down he obvious environmental impact, and play up the money lost.
Streams - once highly profitable tourist fishing destinations with almost no cost of doing business, and with high earning tourists who fish and stay in hotels and eat in restaurants. Millions lost every year (adjusted for inflation)
Deforestation. The trees - if any grow after the area is strip mined - are worthless. Usless for providing profit and jobs for logging. Untold millions lost.
Real Estate. The highwalls and tailing piles look like Mars, and are a profit opportunity lost. The modern trend of building communities 10 -15 miles out of town isn't going to work. The land is destroyed,
I reckon I'll have the human Ferengi bawling like babies in no time.
That's only slightly tongue in cheek. How we could ever allow one group - the mining interests, to permanently destroy land that could be useful for many purposes both profitable, providing entertainment, and ecologically sustaining is so short sighted.
Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
I thought that it was Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder?
Lol: absinthe makes the tart grow fonder
You are not wrong!
Are you kidding me? The TPS security hole is damn easy for the police to exploit, so easy that I'm downright sure most police departments are. It certainly explains my last few speeding tickets.
Y'all don't know what deflection is? It's like a story about China that suddenly becomes about 'Murrica. It's about Cohen pleading guilty to misleading congress, and Trump saying "Her emails!"
And notice that I did a purposeful example of deflection as well.
Noh, it'sth Absinthe make the hearth go fodder. *hic*
At least its an absinthe of malice!
What's that you say? It's been tried already? Well, then, why were we silly enough to stop the Noble Experiment? It couldn't have failed to achieve the intended results, after all....
Not only failed to stop drinking, but allowed the ascendency of American Organized Crime.
Obamacare causes suicides and an ongoing opiod crisis? Because that are the main factors for the declining life expectancy.
I'm waiting for the Commander in Chief to bring that up.
Sugar makes you want to kill yourself and take drugs?
I must have missed that study.
Isn't it something how people bring out their favorite axes to grind?
So far this has been caused by:
Hillary
Trump
Sugar
Capitalism
Socialism
Healthcare
No Healthcare
Opioids
Pain
Wilford Brimly (diabeeties)
We need someone to step up and claim its because we've turned away from religion. C'mon Slashdotters!
I just want to live long enough to see how this ends. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be worth the wait.
Coming to my EOTW party? Just bring a lawn chair, I'll provide Tequila and popcorn.
Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
I thought that it was Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder?
Just get over it. It has been down modded and rendered invisible unless you are looking for something to whine about.
I don't think there is a better posting system going. I browse to hide anything below 1 except when I'm modding.
I suspect that the folks complaining might not know about the browsing level bar?
We just haven't reached there yet in West....
Nice deflection there, my dude.
Olive Garden around here is not very loud. I would put it on the acceptable list.
Interesting. Do they have a different wall treatment? That was really the big issue around here. Limestone rock walls, and a very reflective ceiling.
Olive Garden around here is not very loud. I would put it on the acceptable list. Contrast that to fast food horror, Jimmy Johns. The place is designed to look like a New York subway station: exposed concrete block walls, cavernous interior with some kind of metal sheeting on the ceiling, exposed metal HVAC ductwork, hard plastic seating and hard floors.
Been there, and likewise, couldn't have a conversation with the person I was having lunch with. Haven't gone back either.
Unfortunately, there are a bunch of places that have adopted that "styling" these days. When I enter a place and see cavernous rooms with exposed concrete ceilings and exposed HVAC ducting, I usually turn around and find somewhere else. My ears thank me.
I wonder if this trand has anything to do with the poor profits a lot of chains have been having the past number of years? I remember when I was dating my wife, the style was much more intimate. And you could have an actual conversation, most of what you heard from other tables was a sort of murmuring.
But with the rise of the noisy restaurant and bar scene, coupled with the parents who think that everyone loves their screaming, undisciplined kids, I don't go out to dinner much these days, only breakfast - but that's with my computer so I don't need to worry about hearing people
I just finished up the Pasta Pass, and excepting for one time I ate in the main dining area, all of my visits were in the bar section. There are less booths, and furthest away from the restrooms and kitchen doors, which means less people.
Yeah, that does help.
What are you other than a resource to them? Do you REALLY expect the CEO of your company to care about your granddaughters birthday party? I don't care about his? Or, anyone in the whole HR department, for that matter? I made an agreement to write code in exchange for a check every couple weeks. If they stop paying, I leave. If I find that someone will pay me more, I leave. If they need more code written, they need more resources. It really is that simple.
What I do have a problem with is the managers thinking I can work on three or four projects at once with no loss of productivity. That makes as much sense as thinking that you can used half a shovel of dirt for iron ore and the other half for copper ore. It is just a denial of how reality works.
Well, there are good and bad elements in every grouping, but at some level - yeah I do expect that. Caveat - I worked with the Directorate and Associate Directors on a daily basis, so many of us were actual real life friends. A few, such as two of the associates - were actually a bit protective of me, given that one of my faults is having a difficult time saying no.
But no, I don't expect the Suits to have some sort of great love for everyone in the organization. Just the same as you don't have any great love for them. That isn't human nature and our tendency to form class structure.
But this is one thing that is difficult to get through to slashdotters. The suits are people just like the IT people, like the Security people, like the Coders, and like the people that sweep the floor. Good and not so good. I found it to be very helpful to my career to interface in a friendly fashion with everyone, and work outside that class structure.
I have always had an issue with the name "Human Resources" Turning people into a product to be mined, used up, then discarded, just like a strip mine. Resources.
Yep, I'm thinking that the word exploited is what you are looking for . . . what the HR folks think . . . but would never dare to say.
A good choice of words.
Forget "for a business meal", why would you want to go there at all? Olive Garden is one of those places you go to because you're in the middle of nowhere, the TripAdvisor and Yelp reviews of area restaurants are all obvious shill crap, and you don't want to die of food poisoning. It's mediocre food at a semi-premium price. I'd honestly rather eat at Waffle House or IHOP.
My mentioning Olive Garden is an example of a loud restaurant, not necessarily a good one. I do like their eggplant parmesan though. Just not enough to go back any more, because of the noise.
You should be 3 baskets of breadsticks deep at that point, asking the server to just grate the cheese into your mouth because you won't be using your arms any more.
Har!, the visualization on that is great.