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Developer Misinterprets Linux Code of Conduct, Suggests Replacing F-Word with 'Hug' (neowin.net)
Seeking compliance with Linux's new Code of Conduct, Intel software engineer Jarkko Sakkinen recently requested comments on a set of changes to kernel code comments which Neowin described as "replacing the F-word with 'hug'. "
80 comments quickly followed on the Linux Kernel Maintainer's List: Several contributors responded to the alterations calling them insane. One wondered if Sakkinen was just trying to make a joke, and another called it censorship and said he'd refuse to apply any sort of patches like this to the code he's in charge of...
Some of the post-change comments read "Some Athlon laptops have really hugged PST tables", "If you don't see why, please stay the hug away from my code", and "Only Sun can take such nice parts and hug up the programming interface".
Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments.
And Jarkko Sakkinen acknowledged that he had missed that part of the discussion.
80 comments quickly followed on the Linux Kernel Maintainer's List: Several contributors responded to the alterations calling them insane. One wondered if Sakkinen was just trying to make a joke, and another called it censorship and said he'd refuse to apply any sort of patches like this to the code he's in charge of...
Some of the post-change comments read "Some Athlon laptops have really hugged PST tables", "If you don't see why, please stay the hug away from my code", and "Only Sun can take such nice parts and hug up the programming interface".
Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments.
And Jarkko Sakkinen acknowledged that he had missed that part of the discussion.
If seeing the F-word in the Linux source code is a bit too much for you, then perhaps you'd be better off making yet another set of pretty icons for GNOME or KDE.
It's the intent behind it that matters.
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I can't hugging believe this...
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Just last night I had a nightmare where I had to submit to the SJW thoughtpolice agenda or get shunned out of my programming group. It was straight out of 1984. That's exactly where this is heading. Fuck your feelings. Stop this Code of Conduct nonsense now.
I'm glad to see that the code of conduct is resulting such good use of developer time.
These sad, sad people clearly need a hug.
How many instances of FUCK (is that the word??) ARE there in the Linux Kernel in 2018 and WHY? Linus hasn't blown his stack on this already? Enterprise-ready facepalm.
Are we going to find the N-word in device drivers a bunch of times now? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
So copy paste the F word from other comments. Of course giving credit where credit is fkn due.
I'll bring the blackjack and hookers.
Fuck this child-run age of Linux.
Sometimes being a cunt to people is a good thing. It keeps 30 year old children away from it.
These people need a right good kick up the ass to give them something to whine about. Maybe cart them off to some poverty-stricken area and give them some fucking sense.
Why doesn't the summary explain which word it means by "the F-word"?
What's a PST table used for, and why is it a problem with Athlon laptops?
Oh just go and get absolutely Hugged!
I am sick to Hugging death of these MotherHugging Hugs,
sticking their Huggers into things that do not concern them.
The absolute Hugs!
When I was young, no-one gave a Hug about this Smile.
Now we are up to our ears in Smile, while every Hug
whines about how no-one give a Hug about them.
Everything is Huggy, and we have to call it all the Hug out.
Peace, my Neckers.
(R)ule in Hell or (S)erve in Heaven [R]?
Either that, or they are sufficiently mature and emotionally stable not to be offended by a word that is used in dozens of contexts with many meanings. My bet would be on the latter.
It is if you're a porn star. So fuck your Nazi leftist Code of Crap.
if someone finds out that there is something in the water, I will not be surprised. Y'all are nuts.
"stay the fuck away from my code" isn't unprofessional because of the word fuck, it's unprofessional because aggressive territorial threats ("toxic masculinity") isn't the appropriate way to guard sensitive code in a professional setting. "WARNING: it would be foolish to attempt to modify this code if you don't thoroughly understand why every character of it is there." would be a better way. A stronger warning could be added, "If you don't heed this warning, you WILL fuck things up royally." and is still professional IMHO.
Hug me gently with a chainsaw...
You must be pretty damn sanctimonious to have never used "fuck" or any other language someone else might find objectionable in a professional setting. Maybe you have the benefit of only working with individuals just as or more competent than yourself, but there are some people who need to be told to stay the fuck away from something, or they will fuck it up and make a real fucking mess of things.
Myself, I'd rather be told to "fuck off" if I need to be. If I think it's out of line, I'll let you know. If I think you're being an abusive asshole, I'll let you know that too. Otherwise I'd rather not sit through some milquetoast discussion where it feels like someone is trying to address a five year old child that shouldn't hear the bad words. Frankly, that's more dehumanizing than someone being pissed off.
Calling him an asshole is anti-social and unprofessional. I don't think you should be conversing with the Slashdot team and longer.
It's not appropriate in this context. If you don't see why that is, you probably don't work in a real workplace like most people. Nobody has to be mortally offended for this to be inappropriate and stupid, unnecessary. This is code.
Not your locker room.
It's a good idea to treat people with respect.
But saying a piece of hardware fucked up some table is not attacking a person. We're going too far with the SJW speech-police. Sometimes it's necessary to make a point strongly.
If you want equal rights, that means you don't get to demand special protections for your feelings. Equal means equal: you should be adult enough to accept that the real world has some level of swearing in it.
This kind of thing is a cancer and will spread if it isn't carved out. Eventually we'll be more focused on policing speech than on technology. It will not end well.
That's why these kinds of exercises always end up in disaster. If your rule is any more complex than "Nobody shall prohibit anyone their natural rights to freedom of speech" it ALWAYS ends up being initially misinterpreted, and later abused by those in power.
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Well newsflash, you're no pornstars either, idiot alt-Incel-right angrytards. More like Barnstars.
Go cry into James Damore's gaping ass wounds with your tiki torch angst.
Why do you assume that anyone who would say "stay the fuck away from my code" must be a male? Is it not possible for a female programmer to say that? Would that be toxic femininity?
It's hard to keep track of all these bigoted memes the Left invents each day to signal how non-bigoted they are.
There, I said it. Nobody died. Nobody got hurt, In fact, nothing happened... at all.
How professional would you say you are, scale of 1 to 10? Be honest, rate yourself for us. And have you ever had to fire anyone for a workplace violation, yes or no?
And Hug as another.
I don't condone the word fuck in comments, but it does stand out as an advisory for people who are messing with things they probably don't appreciate or understand,
Hug on the other hand doesn't really have the same warning value...
> toxic masculinity
Did you just assume someone's gender?
Yeah and then the context of a coding all that matters is that the program operates properly and efficiently. So a thousand fucks Don't matter as long as they don't interfere with program operation
All you gradual maternal-huggers writing code for Linux but are afraid of a few words need to consume soil and depart! I'm tired of inferior code being promoted because some feline cried because his gradual donkey was offended!
Enough of this soil! ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
You better not join the board of a major company; you'll be in for quite a surprise.
You must be pretty damn sanctimonious to have never used "fuck" or any other language someone else might find objectionable in a professional setting. Maybe you have the benefit of only working with individuals just as or more competent than yourself, but there are some people who need to be told to stay the fuck away from something, or they will fuck it up and make a real fucking mess of things.
Try repeatedly dropping f-bombs on people face to face at a workplace, and see how long you last.
It's easy to be far less civil with someone you're not in the same room with. Just look at the way people behave on this site. Often it is not "professional."
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
I've fired nice polite people for being fucking incompetent air thieves.
I've left threats of physical violence in comments, for good reason. If you'd cleaned up _that_ block of code you would too.
I don't 'act' professional, I am professional.
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Linus must be turning in his grave
Oh, so it's the responsibility of others to be "mature and emotionnally stable" to learn to work with what basically amounts to ill-bred socially inept dicks ?
in the town square with the cardboard sign that said Free Hugs.
Shouldn't that be Libre Hugs?
Why cant these motherfuckers communicate professionally?
Bullshit, we don't hate female coders, we hate having incompetent coders on our team.
Good female coders also hate fixing incompetents shit, can and do cuss like sailors.
How do you tell someone's sex over the internet anyhow? rChromosomeTest.exe?
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Statistically black people commit a disproportinate amount of murders. Do you also think its ok to assume black people are murderers?
Why do you assume that anyone who would say "stay the fuck away from my code" must be a male? Is it not possible for a female programmer to say that? Would that be toxic femininity?
Well said. Good to see you are fair-minded. Oh, wait --
It's hard to keep track of all these bigoted memes the Left invents each day to signal how non-bigoted they are.
Uh, never mind.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Would you look at that... of course it was a pajeet. At least now he's famous.
I take it you have never worked in a real company lol. I'm sure your penny-ante little projects with 3 devs are chok full of expletives because you're "a rockstar" or something, lol. PHP goons never grow up.
In the real world silly shit like this gets you circling the drain, maybe that's where you want to be. Good luck.
When the harried LA detective who is inadvertently on the trail of white supremists, and trying to explain it to the straight-laced clueless FBI Agent while dropping f-bombs the entire time...which the fed objects to...with the comment: "I'm telling you about a vast conspiracy and all you can focus on is my fucking language??????"
because that's hugging hilarious.
We already know your level of professionalism is impeccable at all times, lol you ancient unused bean bag chair of a man Wumpwuss.
But nobody asked what an ancient faggot who lies about growing acres of weed in one conversation then pretends to be a major employer pretends to do.
Nobody pulled your chatty Cathy string, nobody cares about your self-employed fantasies. I asked him.
Let another person fork the code and create their own code of conduct for their "new" English language regulated project.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Actually they don't, ACTUAL statistics show that under-educated and unemployed and disenfranchised people commit a MAJOR disproportionate amount of murders, and it has no actual significant correlation to race.
However, nazism is significantly linked to low IQ, low education, poverty, and yes, murder. That's a choice though.
In your hurry to disagree you didn't notice that you do agree. "aggressive territorial threats" is the language used and the term "toxic masculinity" is not only in parenthesis but also quotes, indicating, for the reading impaired, that it is referring to a colloquial term.
no, it was in quotes and parenthesis indicating a colloquial term.
If the fucking bastards don't like it then fuck off, nobody gives a hobbly fuck.
Don't use the Linux then.
CAPTCHA: "defects"
It's one thing to accidentally say such a thing, it's quite another to have it checked into revision control where it's available to everybody with access to the source for all eternity.
And it certainly doesn't convey the notion that a project has serious developers when they're including serious curse words in the comments that they're checking into the repo.
I'm not really sure what's so fucking complicated about it.
I've left threats of physical violence in comments, for good reason.
Well that's more than a few levels above an f-bomb. Someone who does that shouldn't just be fired. They should be served a restraining order.
I don't 'act' professional, I am professional.
Given the nuanced distinction between acting professional and being professional, I must agree.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
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I'm sorry, but no, if you're letting your emotions get the better of you like that, then no, you're not a professional, you're a fucking immature twat that deserves to have to clean up those messages.
You don't even know what "nazi" means, just that its the worst name you can think to call someone because you believe you're superior. Sort of like the real nazis.
I don't 'act' professional, I am professional.
Professional troll.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
We should start putting "fuck" in quotes then. That way nobody will get offended by it.
He talked about masculinity, traits that are commonly associated with men.
But women can have masculine traits too. In fact, it is common for lesbians to have masculine traits.
I would be a gpl violation to force such modifications onto the code.
My wonder was how can this kind of shit can get pushed into the source tree to begin with.
Let another person fork the code.
Been watching "The Good Place"?
The orgy
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Mod up.
Actually, there is a direct and strong correlation between race and violent crime which persists across all class strata.
In addition, rich black people are even more likely to commit violent crimes compared to rich white people than poor blacks versus poor whites.
The more rich blacks are, the more violent they become, per capita.
That's saying a lot, too, because they are 17 times more likely to commit violent crimes than white people.
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http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats
to fuck off. I've also never told anyone on a developer forum to fuck off. I can't even imagine why somebody would outside of taking out their frustration on somebody else. If you want to do that there's a time and a place for it. It's called 4chan.
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Try repeatedly dropping f-bombs on people face to face at a workplace, and see how long you last.
It depends on whether a recording studio is a "workplace". Eminem dropped four F-bombs in four lines in his rap song "White America", and the album it was on (The Eminem Show) went 10x Platinum.
Left a job because of too much cussing everywhere. Every other word from everyone in the office was vulgar. For a few years, I played along, but eventually cussing had gotten into my home life.
That was unacceptable.
Using "fuck" 4-times a year, no issue. Using "fuck" 100 times a day and I don't need to be associated with people like that.
If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Why the hug is this a hugging front page story?
And I would fire your ass and replace you for that behavior. It just drags down an entire team to have to deal with some prima donna crybaby who can't behave.
I work with a guy who's got a PhD in mechanical engineering, but can't tell you what spring rate is. Dead fucking serious. I have actual concerns about the legitimacy of his qualifications.
I routinely have to tell the guy to piss up a rope, because he wants to repeat an expensive, identical experiment hypothesizing that it'll work "this time".
Some people are just fucking stupid and deserve no less than pure unadulterated contempt for their attempts to swindle and scam those who would employ them or work with them.
Yeah, despite our fancy college degrees, we don't know enough actual technical words to describe what we're doing logically. Our only possible option is to resort to name-calling and put-downs.
Like 5-year-olds.
In a professional workplace, people focus on technical issues and try to solve technical problems using reason, logic, and common sense. They look at how the code functions and address issues with details that allow other human beings to see what the issues are and choose good solutions. They address disagreements with logic, diagnostics, and test suites. They don't engage in verbal pissing contests. They don't threaten or belittle co-workers; they keep their comments about the code rather than personalities.
But fuck all this shit. It's a whole fucking lot more fun to just let the fuck flag fly than it is to fucking talk about what's fucking things up and why to other fucking engineers.
I submitted a change for replacing the potentially offensive f-word with "sodomize it in the ass with a ribbed steel dildo"
Well, in the old days sometimes we could use finger ...
But that might be offensive to some, so against the CoC ...
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Another question: And WHY are you trying to determine the sex of someone over the internet?
1) You have an agenda and axe to grind - oh...you're a dickless feminist prick out for cheap fucks, that figures.
2) You somehow believe that there's a difference between males and females - sooooo...you fail at feminism.
None of this is male or female - nobody said any of that, YOU did. Fuck off and go fuck yourself with an unfinished plank.
Fucking idiot.
Try repeatedly dropping f-bombs on people face to face at a workplace, and see how long you last.
That one depends on where you work really. Fancy that, not everyone works in an environment that is the same as yours! Ive worked in places where Fuck is about as common as the morning cup of coffee. Even in the most professional work environment and in the presence of the execs I have used "bad" words. What matters is how they are used and in what context, so while i may never be able to survive working where you work, I have managed to find several places to work where people have a thicker skin and are a little more laid back.... Oh and its much easier to get away with it when you use those words to inanimate objects that cant get offended
Guys like when girls cuss. It takes away the abrasive holier then thou, impression. The girl that cusses gets treated as a peer
If you are so immature that other words can't fulfil your need to express displeasure about some work, I feel sorry for you, your friends, and your family.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Swearing is stupid, but Your deep seated need to control others speech patterns is silly.
And no - I wouldn't say fuck or whatever word triggers you in front of a child, or my mother, or Jeebuz either. I have a magic ability to tailor my speech to the group I'm with.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Why not the synthetic "frack," " fracking," from Battlestar Galactica, or "taffing," "taffers," from the Thief series of video games.
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Hug on the other hand doesn't really have the same warning value...
But "Hug" is sexual assault unless enthusiastically agreed to. Just because it is typed out makes it no less sexual assault.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
How do you tell someone's sex over the internet anyhow?
You just take a peep at their browser history.
I feel for you. But you should not make work harder for other environments where you do not belong.
Juts work harder, enjoy your self imposed hard adult environment, and please leave Linux developers alone.
I do try to avoid using it in print, except as a quote. It lacks distinction, and is so over-used that has little impact.
When and where things are mission critical, there usually performance matters more, and the externallia of SJW religion matters less.
It would be great to segregate those two worlds. The world of useful responsible adults singing SJW chants and purging themselves and the world of industries that feed everyone. Gas, operating systems kernels, health. Bridge construction!
I am most sure the Florida bridge designers were the most responsible adults wimmin folks and never ever questioned what the hugging design they are producing.
Imagine what happens if servers in your city that control say traffic lights or payroll system happen to run on SJW designed operating systems kernels. And the gas is leaking because hug sayers are all rightfully fired.
Nazism is not really a word. Finding it in dictionaries is just proof of revisionist history taking effect. Nazi was always short for nationalist...so you mean nationalism. Don't believe things you hear from millennials.
Because if we put âoeFuckâ in quotes, nobody will even understand it here.
Have gnu, will travel.
According to Merriam-Webster, the first printed use of Nazism was in 1930. So, your allegation of revisionism is horseshit.
First known use of "horseshit" was in 1923.
Let's correct all of the dangerous words! Or is that upwardly-challenged-angel ?
You must be pretty damn sanctimonious to have never used "fuck" or any other language someone else might find objectionable in a professional setting.
That's quite a shifted goalpost. "Fuck or any other language someone else might find objectionable".
For what it's worth, I've never used "fuck" in 7 post-grad years in academia nor my 14 years in the software industry, and nor have I heard the word used in a way that was directed at a current or former colleague, nor at their work. I've worked with plenty people smarter than me and less smart, and plenty people more industrious than me and less industrious.
(per the terms of your shifted goalpost, there have been in that time lots of words that someone else might find objectionable, but that's such a watered-down goalpost that it's meaningless).
If someone needs to stay away from something, I normally say something like "Jones, I don't want you to work on this" or "Jones, don't work on this". The word fuck isn't needed to make my instruction stronger, and indeed wouldn't make it stronger.
If someone has made a mess of things in the past, I've said stuff like "the architecture for this model wasn't suited to the use-cases, and it'll require a ground-up rewrite, otherwise we'll face risks XYZ". Phrasing it as you suggested "fucked up and made a real fucking mess of things" isn't as actionable, wouldn't be as respected by management, and I'm having a hard time believing it would deliver results as well.
I'd rather not sit through some milquetoast discussion
None of what I've said is milquetoast. It's more directed and actionable that your suggested fuck phrasing, and it's effective at getting results.
They only serve to attract attention seeking dipshits who believe they can wield them as weapons to introduce unnecessary politics and impose the fruits of their own intolerant mental derangements upon others.
"And depending on the culture, hugging could fall in the harrasment category. Actually, when I think about it, in Finland this kind of poking of ones personal bubble would be such :-)" ~Jarkko Sakkinen
According to Jarkko even the word HUG is offensive. Clearly not operating on all thrusters.
In Slovak, *fucked* means *really*, so Linux can just accept the use of some foreign words in comments and then the problem is solved.
"Bullshit, we don't hate female coders, we hate having incompetent coders on our team."
Bullshit, you're the incompetent one at the very least in this area if not management generally.
Of course introducing a code of conduct means some will feel the hugging need to bend over backwards to bring hugging everything in line with the hugging CoC, down to the hugging last hugging letter. And then the hugging rules hugging lawyers hugging show hugging up. Group hugs for hugging everyone and hugging everything!
fucks sake ..
And the expected stupidity begins.
Yeah because dates are totally off limits to liars.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Yes. If nothing else so that she learns at an early age that words have no power over her.
A lesson too many adults sadly missed.
Would you say it to your 6 yr old daughter?
Do you want to work with a bunch of 6 year olds?
you can say fuck all the time but you should not professionally write it in permanent artifact. City Clerks says fuck all the time but do not write it in birth or death certificate or laws. Accountant says it all the time but don't write it in a document sent to the IRS or local equivalent. Doctor and engineer says fuck all the time but don't write it in patient charts or blueprints. So why in the five fuckity hell of a bitch moaning schweinpriester do you think it is sanctimonious to expect the SAME fucking professionalism from developer ? Sorry, but if you write it does in permanent artifact which are shared with other, you stay fucking polite. If you can't do that then grow up. I have seen the worst in source code from simple swear words to pretending a colleague was a whore and accept credit cards+her phone. None of that shit is OK and if I see it now i immediately ask the idiot to remove it OR escalate it. That 3rd year playground shit is unprofessional.
Is that non-sanctimonious enough for you ?
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Man, fuck this ".exe" Microsoft PE shit. This is Linux. Show some fucking respect!
No they don't. They get called "bossy" and "bitch".
Only in your fantasy land that happens.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Most kernel developers are male. You REALLY want to argue that you have a chance of coming up against a female kernel developer is equal?
Funny how you ignore statistics when it suits you, and pretend everything is equal. I bet you also read James Damore's piece and agree with those statistics.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
it's "daemon" and it's not exactly the same thing as "demon".
Daemons are associated with ancient Greek mythology and are mythical creatures which act for good or ill and often capriciously. This is why this spelling and term are used for background processes in Linux and similar operating systems.
Demons are commonly associated with the devil of the generally Jedeo-Christian religious traditions and as such are powerful and always evil entities. This is not the word used in Linux, BSD, etc for background processes.
If you know more than just a little bit about something, then it's easy to avoid embarrassing yourself publicly.
This rabbit hole's fucked hugging deep.
The trouble with comments is that they rot. Rotting means that comments are less likely to be maintained than code and thus, they go out of date and become irrelevant. So if some guy back in whenever wrote a piece of rant that's still there but hopelessly irrelevant today, then he's just making an idiot of himself. It's like yelling on the street when there's no danger... Don't let this happen to you :)
Sometimes removing 90% of the people in the room would allow the 10% with a brain to solve a problem.
Clearly, you are a part of the 90%.
Now, I also haven't said fuck off, but I would have fired the 90% on the spot if I had the chance.
Word police cannot change the way people think.
The result will be that more and more people, when using "hug" in the normal way, will associate it with todays use of the f-word. So they will seek and find a replacement, use a synonym, when really wanting to express "hug".
It is a pointless excercise, only making the language a bit poorer or distorted.
Emotions are there for a reason. I don't advocate venting them unrestrained every day, all day. But tainting evil everything that has to do with them is not the way to go, we're not fucking Vulcans.
asl.dll, obviously.
...one for the PC people , as in "Personal Computer", and one for the PC people, as in "Political Correctness".
What dark sorcery is this?!? Are you a witch?
By code. Fast. 3 weeks in and they have a new meaning Just like Fuck has at least two. Goes to show that compelled speach is nonsense.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
What a hugtarded idea. Hug it right in the skull!
How do you tell someone's sex over the internet anyhow?
Linux kernel submissions require your real name, which tends to reveal your gender.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I think he needs a Hug.
What a motherhugger.
Signal that virtue! Your comment had nothing to do with theirs but hey, gotta work that identity politics into the conversation somehow. They disagree with you so they must be literally Hitler. Like, literally. Hitler.
"One single person does not read licence properly!" - That is news? Honestly? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Oh, and fuck fuckelifuck fuck fuck.
Who the fuck really cares? Political fucking correctness gone fucking crazy. Fuck this.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
I'd agree with you if people were getting all bent out of shape about the fact that comments used the word 'fuck' and you were saying, "Settle down. It's not that big a deal." Adults should be able to handle the occasional swear word, and editing the Linux source code is generally not an activity for children. And you're right, if in the spur of the moment you use the word "fuck" in a professional setting now and then, it's probably fine.
Or it might not be. Whether it's acceptable depends on context.
But we're talking about someone removing the word "fuck" from official documentation, and you're getting bent out of shape that someone has done that. There's no real need for "fuck" to be used in official documentation. If you want to tell someone to "stay the fuck away from something," you can put something that says, "WARNING: Stay away from this." Adding the word "fuck" doesn't add more information. In fact, I'd probably take the warning less seriously because it includes the word "fuck". I'd assume that either it's playful, or it's written by someone immature who doesn't really know what they're doing.
"Eventually LWN.net publisher Jonathan Corbet deflated most of the controversy by pointing out that Linux's new Code of Conduct applies to future comments but clearly indicates that it does not apply explicitly to past comments. '
How does this deflate any of the controversy? Given that this will apply to future comments.
Correction - Nobody you would WANT to do that job will want that job.
There are, however, a large number of people YEARNING to be a "perverted authority figure".
And they are the biggest proponents of "Code of Conducts", so as to make it possible for them to do "that job".
Modern hug huggers hug other hugs using hugs, NOT LUDDITE f*ck!
Hugs!
And that includes the fucking comments and variable names. But there is a time and place for cursing. Serious source code is almost never that place.
Auto replacing fuck with hug is obviously ridiculous, but improving code and comments should always be welcome.
And the truth is, re-writing so the text does not contain curse words is likely to make it look more professional. We should encourage that.
If you can't make a strong point without cursing you are probably not that good at communicating anyway. So let someone else clean up the comments without bitching and whining. Remember, we were focusing on quality, right?
This obviously means we should not just remove the curse words blindly without thinking. It has to be an actual improvement, and we don't want to lose the meaning the original text was trying to present.
If something is fucking important, it is fucking important. But don't be lazy. Make also the comments look professional on a level that Linux deserves!
Changing someones comments is also not censorship. It is the whole point of the GPL, that we can take someone else's code and make changes to it, if we think it will be an improvement.
How do you tell someone's sex over the internet anyhow? rChromosomeTest.exe?
Once a month their commits are fully of bugs and the comments are full of swear words.
(Sigh. I shouldn't hit submit. But whatever, asbestos coat on, come at me SJWs)
What dark sorcery is this?!? Are you a witch?
A warlock, indeed.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
The culture must be different where you work and live. Because everyone I know who is the girl that cusses and doesn't put on Airs, and tells the occasional dirty joke, tends to get treated like "one of the guys" or another terms "as a peer".
Being bossy comes from telling other people what to do beyond the simple delegation and then getting out of their way. Bossy is another name for micromanagement. if you are delegating tasks but you're not granting them the autonomy and access they need , to have control and latitude in the scope of their job then that is the definition of being bossy, or micromanaging. A good boss hires and trains a competent crew that does not need their boss unless something out of the ordinary happens. A competent boss doesn't even need to be there for normal day-to-day operations. they are there to handle anything outside of normal scope and do act as a coordinator.
("toxic masculinity")
See that? You SJWed right there. Totally unnecessary as you already used "aggressive territorial threats" which are in no way restricted from females.
Kinda like wearing a dress but having a beard does, Leslie?
Did you just forget about the "Socialist" part?
But applied as a qualifier to "aggressive territorial threats" made by a coder, so yes, assumes sex of the coder.
There used to be a sketch comedy show called Bizarre that would replace "feelthy language" with the names of politicians and public figures. So you might hear them say something like, "That hooker Lewinskied my Trump until I Clintoned all over her face."
Somehow I doubt Linux developers will be any less imaginative going forward.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
a project doesn't turn into a dystopian nightmare. You can just leave the project. Societies turn into dystopian nightmares. And you haven't convinced me that making people be civil in a workplace environment leads to that.
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Where the frack did I fracking hear a fracking replacement for the fracking f-word before...
Please. When feminists or SJW's talk about "toxic masculinity," they mean MEN. They are NOT talking about lesbians. :-P
Anybody doing what they did deserved to have all their fingers and toes broken. So they never coded again, not even with their feet.
I didn't break their fingers, just told them I would. I did pretend not to know who it was...it was 'to whom it may concern', not 'Steve', but the whole team knew.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I worked with a guy who wrote his masters thesis on SQL query optimization and not only couldn't read a query plan, he didn't know what one was.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I worked one place where a VP casually told the president to 'go fuck himself' on my first day there. Yes it was an Engineering consultancy.
'A buttload' was a commonly used unit.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
To quote the late great George Carlin, in english, fuck falls into many grammatical categories.
"Hug", as a replacement for "Fuck" only makes sense if you think the particular meaning of "fuck" in that context is a reference to coitus.
I really doubt that's what the code comments were trying to get across.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
Bossy is acting like the boss when you aren't. You can be bossy without micromanaging and micromanage without being bossy.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
What's up with lesbians? They hate men, but try to dress and act just like them. You never see jews dressing like nazis.
para Norm MacDonald
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
I built and ran the team. I was working on shrinking it by one net negative worker I inherited from another project, but HR departments are a huge fucking pain in the ass. The whole team wanted him gone, everybody that coded knew.
I would have never hired you in the first place.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/09/13/1523229/python-joins-movement-to-dump-offensive-master-slave-terms as covered there, crap like this has already happened, and apparently will continue to happen.
Most places I've been in will turn a blind eye towards cursing, but draw a line when it's directed towards someone.
Every place I've worked would fucking fire your unprofessional ass, for very good reason.
... seems like testing to see how far the line is.
Most kernel developers are male. You REALLY want to argue that you have a chance of coming up against a female kernel developer is equal?
Funny how you ignore statistics when it suits you, and pretend everything is equal. I bet you also read James Damore's piece and agree with those statistics.
You mean the statistics backed up with sources and supported by numerous professionals in the respective fields?
'Hug' makes absolutely no sense on those example comments. I'm glad this was declined, but not because of 'censorship' or whatever, but because the comments make no sense with 'hug' in them.
If he wanted to remove the "swear" part of it why didn't he use something more immediately useful? e.g.
"Some Athlon laptops have really messed up PST tables" // literally just remove "the fuck"
"If you don't see why, please stay away from my code"
"Only Sun can take such nice parts and mess up the programming interface".
Documentation can be cheaper therapy.
https://github.com/zepouet/Xee-xCode-4.5/blob/master/XeePhotoshopLoader.m#L108
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/184618/what-is-the-best-comment-in-source-code-you-have-ever-encountered
http://mcfunley.com/from-the-annals-of-dubious-achievement
People holding signs with "Free Hugs!"
suddenly got a new meaning....
English happens to be the language in which we communicate in, but I do not remember agreeing to stick to the American notion of decency and moral values in that same pack.
To the dismay of many Americans (and that Scandinavian nerd that watched too much cable TV) "fuck" is just a word, and an "F word" is just a 48 bit far pointer.
You can't tell me what to do! Fuck you!
I have strong views on professionalism. I don't think it means wearing ties and slacks and smiling when you sink the knife into someone's back. I don't think it has anything to do swearing or curtsying or wearing white gloves or buying the high quality coke from your corner office.
My father would say professionalism is about finishing your shift until relief comes, even though they fired you 4 hours ago. Because otherwise the city would go dark. My brother would say it's about giving a proper legal defense to someone you find repulsive. I'd say it's about bringing the entire project to a halt because the PM thought he could bypass test for a life-critical system. Because the job is more important than yourself. Because it's millions of dollars or people's livelihoods or literal lives on the line. The profession is important and critical and people have entrusted you to do it. Professionalism is not violating that trust. Most of the time, if it's not easy, it is at least routine. Your professionalism is tested when when you are expected to do a job that violates your morals or self-interest.
So sit in your cubicle and push your papers that no one will likely even read and check those boxes and turn that cog as you complain about the annoying co-worker. But if you try to get them fired on "professionalism" simply because they offended you, you are diluting the term and bringing real professionals down a peg.
And no, I've never fired anyone because I'm not a manager.
For what it's worth, I've never used "fuck" in 7 post-grad years in academia nor my 14 years in the software industry,
Wow. It's really weird you just blew a 21 year streak just for a slashdot post.
And I promise you that you are far too incompetent to work at my company. We are all well aware you could never pass the basic logic test.
Welcome to 1999! In just 20 more years you'll learn how laughably cherrypicked those statistics are, and hopefully have the intellectual honesty to change your easily disproven, nazi propaganda pseudo factoid. Believe it or not, most everyone stumbles across your statistics at some point in their lives, and some people either take them at face value and continue believing in the racial equivalent of flat earth or do a bit more research and find the rest of the story and learn that white people cause just as much crime per capita as black people. The primary difference is that white people get caught and convicted far far less often. As for the FBI link, you simply prove that you cannot derive a logical conclusion from statistics; if you could you would realize the FBI link directly disproves your statement. I'm certain you aren't aware of that though.
You are welcome for the information. Even if you stamp your tiny feet and refuse to do more research and live in your blissful ignorance, rest assured knowing that your kids (if you have any, after all you likely aren't very far out of high school and quite the incel if you're posting known debunked nazi propaganda on the internet) will most likely listen to reason, and not be as easily led astray by misleading information as you are.
Clearly, we need to replace fuck with cunt.
Yeah I guess you're right. Have the time I think people are joking when they're being bossy. It's like haha why would I reward that tone with any kind of attention? That's not pleasant I'm not going to teach you to do that to me
Maybe in some environments, but that's not been my experience. I work with a group of older white males, and one black female. We're all lower level managers. Our "new" boss, a female (probably late 30s in age) joined us and we all felt at ease when she dropped her first f-bomb. We're not on edge about watching our own language around her now.
My daughter, (an MBA candidate and program manager) cusses just about as much an has been quickly moving up the chain. Go figure.
What matters is how you use it. If you're directing the word at people in the conversation, or just using it for emphasis makes a difference.
Just another day in Paradise
'Gender' now means anything, which makes it mean nothing.
I'm only interested in their 'sex', that word still has meaning.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Your obsession with other people's bodies is pretty creepy.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC