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US Life Expectancy Falls Further (cnn.com)

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Thursday released data that shows life expectancy fell by one-tenth of a year, to 78.6 years (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source), pushed down by the sharpest annual increase in suicide in nearly a decade and a continued rise in deaths from opioid drugs. "Influenza, pneumonia and diabetes also factored into last year's increase," The Wall Street Journal adds. From the report: Economists and public-health experts consider life expectancy to be an important measure of a nation's prosperity. The 2017 data paint a dark picture of health and well-being in the U.S., reflecting the effects of addiction and despair, particularly among young and middle-aged adults, as well as diseases plaguing an aging population and people with lower access to health care. The U.S. has lost three-tenths of a year in life expectancy since 2014, a stunning reversal for a developed nation, and lags far behind other wealthy nations. Life expectancy is 84.1 years in Japan and 83.7 years in Switzerland, first and second in the most-recent ranking by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The U.S. ranks 29th.

White men and women fared the worst, along with black men, all of whom experienced increases in death rates. Death rates rose in particular for adults ages 25 to 44, and suicide rates are highest among people in the nation's most rural areas. On the other hand, deaths declined for black and Hispanic women, and remained the same for Hispanic men. As drug and suicide mortality has risen, deaths from heart disease, the nation's leading killer, went down only slightly, failing to offset the increases in mortality from other causes and prolonging another worrisome trend.

336 comments

  1. Consequences... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job ... they all have consequences.

    1. Re:Consequences... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      ^^^ Prosperity Gospel bullshit for the feeble-minded.

    2. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dont forget about the food pyramid, processed foods, and high sugar drinks. Politics and lobbyists had a huge hand in all of this too.

    3. Re:Consequences... by shaksys · · Score: 1

      "weak people die sooner" the more advance the the tech is the weaker people get.

    4. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuckit, imma sit on this chair in my mommas basement, eat Cheetos, post on slashdot and talk about how stupid sports and exercise is and also why cant I get laid

    5. Re:Consequences... by cheesybagel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Leaded water pipes, pill bottles instead of blister packs, lack of regular steady jobs that allow you to have a reasonably well planned life, insane housing prices out of touch of the working class, etc.

    6. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      With Trump in the White House who wants to live?

    7. Re: Consequences... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Beats working for a job you don't care about, with a salary you don't care about, with no benefits to even consider.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    8. Re:Consequences... by Bonersex · · Score: 1

      How about this: Have more sex. It releases endorphins and makes you fit.

    9. Re:Consequences... by helpfulcorn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you sure? My wife tells me that when I have sex with her, it makes her sick.

    10. Re:Consequences... by Bonersex · · Score: 1

      Lol, morning sickness isn't because of the sex. It's because of the pregnancy.

    11. Re:Consequences... by tsa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sugar ín everything and drinking a litre of sugar water every day helps too.

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    12. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I want revenge.

    13. Re: Consequences... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With Trump in the White House who wants to live?

      Suicides went up the most among elderly rural males. In other words, Republicans. These people should be the happiest with Trump.

      America is an outlier here. Worldwide suicide rates have declined more than 29% since 2000.

    14. Re:Consequences... by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

      I knew my son looked a lot like the mailman

    15. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like my wife.

    16. Re: Consequences... by jd · · Score: 0

      They realized Trump is making things worse. Even Bundy and his son are criticizing Trump now.

      Mind you, that's probably not the cause of suicide. Bundy is reporting death threats against him and his family - and he's a folk hero of the alt-right.

      If that's what they do to folk heroes, you can imagine what they do to the invisible folk quietly working on farms.

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    17. Re:Consequences... by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job ... they all have consequences.

      Well it's lucky that #1 Japan doesn't have a problem with any of these.

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    18. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor food culture and extreme obesity

    19. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Low class immigrants from South America will push the statistics down also.

      Yes, those people will live longer in the USA than in the shitholes they are coming from, but most will still die early at 45 to 55.

    20. Re:Consequences... by mentil · · Score: 1

      Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

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    21. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because people 50 years ago didn't suffer stress, expectations, bullying and long working days? LOL.

      How about people stop eating processed high-carb zero-nutrition factory garbage and try real food for a while. And cook them in real fat, not the plant based drizzle that runs diesel engines.

    22. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You linked to an opinion piece with no direct citations and assumptions about Chinese and Indian women skewing the average.

      The "Leaders" section of The Economist is their editorials. Please stop leveraging perceived authorities and links bereft of cited, factual content to shore up your prejudice and false beliefs as facts.

    23. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Read the summary:

      deaths declined for black and Hispanic women, and remained the same for Hispanic men.

      The immigrants are likely keeping the statistics better than it would have been without them.

      Here you have those that dies earlier:

      White men and women fared the worst, along with black men

    24. Re: Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Processed foods and high sugar drinks make people kill each other and themselves and use hard drugs.

      At least read the fucking summary if you can't be assed to click on any of the links.

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    25. Re: Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I just want to live long enough to see how this ends. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be worth the wait.

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    26. Re:Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sugar makes you want to kill yourself and take drugs?

      I must have missed that study.

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    27. Re:Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Redundant
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    28. Re: Consequences... by nospam007 · · Score: 0

      "Suicides went up the most among elderly rural males. In other words, Republicans. "

      So there's a silver lining in this.

    29. Re: Consequences... by shilly · · Score: 1

      From the same summary that you think you read: "diabetes also factored into last year's increase"

      Processed foods and high sugar drinks are causative for diabetes

    30. Re:Consequences... by shilly · · Score: 2

      He was being sarcastic and thus implying that the factors that the OP cited were not the main drivers.

    31. Re: Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Unlike the rest, diabetes is a fairly slow killer. Unless you can find me a reason why diabetes hits exactly now that the others strike, I dare say it's irrelevant.

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    32. Re: Consequences... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A lot of people in rural areas were hoping that Trump would help them as their industries declined, but it was false hope. No-one can reverse the decline of things like coal, and even where action is possible it takes many years and long term policies.

      Populists always disappoint. Politics in general does, but particularly populists.

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    33. Re: Consequences... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Being a slow killer simply means that cumulative effect on population is delayed. Eventually it will start being felt, and it will keep getting worse. This appears to be the beginning of this delayed effect showing on mortality rates. It will likely keep getting worse as more and more diabetics die early due to wide array of health complications that both type1 and type2 cause.

    34. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She doesn't get sick when she has sex with me!

    35. Re: Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But you do know that only one of them can actually be influenced by your diet, yes?

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    36. Re:Consequences... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job ... they all have consequences.

      Tobacco is still a legal product. And before we dismiss that with "choice", medical error kills almost as many Americans every year.

      We allowed the Medical Industrial Complex to put opium in a prescription bottle, CAFO operators to fight for as little regulation as possible, and HFCS infected our food supply.

      Every government on the planet has a job to do, and part of that job is resource management. That includes population control. Many of our most deadly-yet-legal products highlight this fact. The US Government ironically sustains their stance against legalizing cannabis not because it's actually fit for Schedule I restrictions, but because it's not deadly enough. Alcohol not only kills tens of thousands every year, but also generates billions treating all of the related diseases.

      TL; DR - Death is no longer natural; it is by design.

    37. Re: Consequences... by geekmux · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Suicides went up the most among elderly rural males. In other words, Republicans. "

      So there's a silver lining in this.

      The illusion that socialism is a silver lining and never creates unnecessary death.

      Fucking hell. Talk about delusional...

    38. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit. It's the proverbial point finger complex. As a physical trainer who has studied the pseudo-bullshit out there, as well as the "eating clean" bullshit, I have learned that nearly all of our health woes can be curbed by personal responsibility and our own personal choices. You can eat all the clean you want, but if you sit on your ass all day doing drugs (legal or no, including alcohol), your mortality rate is going to catch up to you and there isn't a doctor on this planet that is going to save you. They might buy you some time.

      My only complaint is that big pharma pushes a lot of garbage. That garbage is a huge part of our "failed" health care system.

      If people exercised right, much of their poor eating habits wouldn't be a serious issue. If they would then clean up their eating, stay away from drugs, the only people who would suffer from high mortality would be the people who got the bad luck of the draw and have a serious health issue (thyroid, hit by a car, etc).

    39. Re:Consequences... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      No. Sugar's too expensive with all the duties on it. High Fructose Corn Syrup is in everything.

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    40. Re:Consequences... by tsa · · Score: 2

      Drugs and suicide are attractive when you are fat and have diabetes.

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    41. Re:Consequences... by Sique · · Score: 1

      Obamacare causes suicides and an ongoing opiod crisis? Because that are the main factors for the declining life expectancy.

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    42. Re:Consequences... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Drugs and suicide are attractive when you are fat and have diabetes.

      What about when you are skinny and have diabetes? 188 cm, 75 kg, diabetic here. Of course, my excuse is lack of several internal organs, not sugar....

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    43. Re:Consequences... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      The US Government ironically sustains their stance against legalizing cannabis not because it's actually fit for Schedule I restrictions, but because it's not deadly enough. Alcohol not only kills tens of thousands every year,

      Yeah, we should ban alcohol! Because that would save lives by the tens of thousands, with no downsides whatsoever!

      What's that you say? It's been tried already? Well, then, why were we silly enough to stop the Noble Experiment? It couldn't have failed to achieve the intended results, after all....

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    44. Re:Consequences... by esaulgd7195 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      One factor IS different. Japan has near-free public healthcare. As should be obvious, this difference is likely the main driver.

    45. Re: Consequences... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      A poor diet reduces life expectency of type 1 and 2 diabetics.

    46. Re:Consequences... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      A high sugar diet is linked to ADHD, is linked to higher stress levels, is linked to higher suicide rates.

    47. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that Japan has one of the highest suicide rates on earth, right?

      So if you're using Japan as a reference point, then those absolutely are main drivers.

    48. Re:Consequences... by lgw · · Score: 2

      Long working hours, stress due to stupid societal expectations, bullying via social media, poor health care unless you have a cush job

      Except for social media, none of these are new. I'm sure social media bullying has increase suicide rates, but I doubt its by much.

      Not being able to get a job is worse for most people than long working hours. That has been tied to the opioid epidemic by some studies. As automation continues to push people out of the low-end economic jobs, people who simply can't do anything else, suicide rates and opioid addiction will only increase. I'm not sure what the solutions is, but it's more than money: most people need to feel they're doing something useful.

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    49. Re: Consequences... by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      They are literally different diseases, that however result in extremely similar outcomes. Which is why we call them "diabetes" and then specify the type.

    50. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more like: abstinence makes the hand go fondle.

    51. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about when you are skinny and have diabetes? 188 cm, 75 kg, diabetic here. Of course, my excuse is lack of several internal organs, not sugar....

      Then I suspect drugs at least are still attractive, though not the illegal ones that tsa was likely thinking of.

    52. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

      I thought that it was Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder?

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    53. Re: Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      I just want to live long enough to see how this ends. I'm pretty sure it's gonna be worth the wait.

      Coming to my EOTW party? Just bring a lawn chair, I'll provide Tequila and popcorn.

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    54. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Sugar makes you want to kill yourself and take drugs?

      I must have missed that study.

      Isn't it something how people bring out their favorite axes to grind?

      So far this has been caused by:

      Hillary

      Trump

      Sugar

      Capitalism

      Socialism

      Healthcare

      No Healthcare

      Opioids

      Pain

      Wilford Brimly (diabeeties)

      We need someone to step up and claim its because we've turned away from religion. C'mon Slashdotters!

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    55. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      poor health care is nonsense, people without jobs, or lower level jobs used to live less long anyway...

    56. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Obamacare causes suicides and an ongoing opiod crisis? Because that are the main factors for the declining life expectancy.

      I'm waiting for the Commander in Chief to bring that up.

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    57. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What's that you say? It's been tried already? Well, then, why were we silly enough to stop the Noble Experiment? It couldn't have failed to achieve the intended results, after all....

      Not only failed to stop drinking, but allowed the ascendency of American Organized Crime.

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    58. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noh, it'sth Absinthe make the hearth go fodder. *hic*

    59. Re:Consequences... by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Deconstruct a nation's culture, replace its people's and watch it fall.

    60. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you heard of our Lord and Savior, Leon Trotsky?

    61. Re:Consequences... by SlyNoob · · Score: 1

      Arbeit Macht Frei my friends, it's the holocaust lite. After the twin Calamities of the 21st Century: 9-11 and the Global Financial Crisis, America is unrecognizable from before to now. A couple of pointless, endless wars and the economy being turned into a modern Gulag has apparently motivated many young Americans to find a way out any way they can. An unfortunate consequence of American pop culture is that when a young American tries to flee to another country the people there can't believe why a crazy American would leave because they all think Americans live in Beverly Hills (and indeed many foreigners have only seen rich, arrogant Americans vacationing). This rejection exacerbates the problem of being accepted anywhere else besides the fact the US government itself charges over $4,000 for American to purchase their freedom and renounce their citizenship which leaves the person percariously stateless anyway.

    62. Re: Consequences... by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 2

      A lot of people in rural areas were hoping that Trump would help them as their industries declined, but it was false hope.

      That's a very popular platitude, but the facts seem to be pointing in a different direction.

      and even where action is possible it takes many years and long term policies

      To the extent that's true, that's even more reason not to throw out words like "false hope" this early in the game.

    63. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hits exactly now.....hmm.

      You do realize that small though significant changes in rate don't require discrete events to explain them. In fact it is quite likely that continuous events are responsible for the change. So your bizarre "hits exactly now" comment is completely senseless. Obviously diabetes has been affecting life expectancy all along. The increase in diabetes will reduce life expectancy. So just what do you believe to be the problem? Diabetes is only one contributor among many. Some factors are present that increase lifespan as we can see the increase in other countries. Your objection makes no sense at all. Your objection indicates a lack of fundamental grasp of the concepts involved.

    64. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well nobody actually blamed a majority of those things you mentioned so I can only ask that you keep your masturbation, mental or otherwise, private.

    65. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >pill bottles instead of blister packs

      what on earth has this got to do with anything? Genuinely curious how this can in any way kill (unless you're saying ill/old people can't open them, but do blister packs really not exist in the US?)

    66. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a battle of words.

      Demagogues disappoint. Trump is a demagogue. A demagogue is someone who uses the crowd madness to fool people into serving political aims with no intention to actually serve the public. Examples are:

      The Clintons who in the first four years abandoned national health care aspirations. Those aspirations were a major campaign point for the Clintons.

      Bush who ran on "financial responsibility" which was bizarre to begin with as Clinton had a balanced budget. Bush destroyed any notion of a balanced budget and expanded debt considerably while leaving the country in a financial crisis.

      Trump.

      Obama who in the name of national health care drove the populace into the arms of the insurance industry. He didn't even have to lie about it. I guess the Clintons obvious ha ha fooled ya and Bush's blatant exclamations of responsibility as if the Clinton budget record did not exist made it obvious to the political machine that a politician could say anything and the people would allow it just as long as it was said in the right way. Kind of how you can tell a dog he is going to have his balls cut off in an excited manner and the dog will wag his tail and bark with enthusiasm. Trump has made it entirely clear that anything can be said and power retained in our political system.

      It is quite obvious that the political establishment would like to paint populism black by equating it with low education, brash and dangerous mindsets and fascism. That's because populism is actually serving the populace which is exactly what the UIS political machine does not do. On many major issues the populace of the US overwhelmingly wants things the political machine refuses to deliver. (ultimately the cause of the decline in life expectancy)

      Franklin Roosevelt was a POPULIST. He actually served the wishes of common people rather than just using those wishes to fool people while delivering nothing of benefit and everything to exploit. Roosevelt only disappointed those who wanted to exploit people.

    67. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading Doom News on Slashdot is worse than heroin. How about the stats for if you quit being such a p***y and not take the opioids your Dr. is prescribing? How about buying beer in six-packs instead of cases? Wine in a bottle and not a plastic bladder bigger than a horse's? How about not salting the f**k out of everything you eat? How about getting off your ass and at least taking a brisk walk? Bodies are thousands of years older than even Windows Vista; give it some real work. How about throwing out that monster television? How about being smart and brave and dumping your toxic "friends"? Quit blaming everybody except who is to blame. Patient, heal thyself.

    68. Re:Consequences... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, just think of all those fat ass heroin junkies.

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    69. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

      I thought that it was Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder?

      Lol: absinthe makes the tart grow fonder

    70. Re:Consequences... by strikethree · · Score: 2

      Are you sure? My wife tells me that when I have sex with her, it makes her sick.

      Weird. When I have sex with her, she doesn't get sick. I wonder what the difference is? ;)

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    71. Re:Consequences... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      In much of Europe, NSAIDs are only sold in blister packs as their citizens are apparently too incompetent to handle a 500 bottle of ibuprofen.

      I'd think that would annoy Germans at least. Nobody likes to be infantilized...Fair enough...Outside a very few in Berlin who are into diapers, nobody likes to be infantilized.

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    72. Re: Consequences... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Why I wear an iceaxe on a chain around my neck.

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    73. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Noh, it'sth Absinthe make the hearth go fodder. *hic*

      At least its an absinthe of malice!

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    74. Re:Consequences... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      Ya know what they say: abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

      I thought that it was Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder?

      Lol: absinthe makes the tart grow fonder

      You are not wrong!

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    75. Re: Consequences... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      A lot of people in rural areas were hoping that Trump would help them as their industries declined, but it was false hope.

      That's a very popular platitude, but the facts seem to be pointing in a different direction.

      From the article: "The biggest drivers of the blue-collar hiring surge are the rebound in oil prices, the need to rebuild after disasters such as Hurricanes Irma and Harvey, and rising demand generated by a growing economy."

      I know Trump has a lot of hot air, but even he cannot cause hurricanes. :-) And the economic growth started long before Trump took office, so we can pretty much attribute that growth to momentum. And although maybe Trump pissed off enough oil-producing allies to drive up the price of oil, I'm not sure I'd call that a net win....

      The effects of Trump's trade wars will take at least another couple of years to be fully recognized.

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    76. Re:Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sugar ín everything and drinking a litre of sugar water every day helps too.

      You ignorant foreigner, you think you know everything about America but you can't even get a simple fact like this straight.

      In America, we drink a quart of sugar water every day.

    77. Re: Consequences... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the economy is tanking, unemployment is at a record high, war with NK seems imminent.
      Oh wait, it's the exact opposite.
      Maybe that demographic wouldn't be so depressed if the mainstream media didn't constantly scream like chicken little over every little thing, democrats didn't declare a "constitutional crisis" about once a month, and if they generally didn't have to put up with the nonsense today of worrying about being sued over calling someone "she" instead of their preferred "zhe" from the alt-left lunatics.

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    78. Re:Consequences... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      People who are not only literate in the sense that they learned to read, but people who are literate in the sense that they actually do read already have the ability to look at the labels and find the many items without any *-syrup or modified * starch.

      In my area, just in the last year the number of non-syrup foods has gone up drastically; for example, ketchup went from one medium-priced national brand (in only one of their multiple bottle styles) to almost 50% of the brands.

      Also a good idea to avoid polysorbates. If you eat pickles, that means buying the expensive gourmet ones. When a family member who used to eat a lot of digestive health products stopped eating polysorbate, the problems went away entirely. Many slashdotters would benefit from learning about these issues.

      You can't read labels, I know. Most of the country is aliterate; they know how to read, but they won't do it other than for social purposes. But still, they'll accidentally eat less corn syrup thanks to the minority who do read the labels, and make purchasing decisions accordingly.

      If sugar is expensive it implies you're in Europe. Don't whine about the expensive sugar, it is supposed to be good for farmers in the south of France. In the rest of the world sugar is cheap because it is normally subsidized to benefit the farmers, instead of being taxed. That's why they made it expensive in Europe, because the market price is too low to make the farm owners rich.

      Sugar is so cheap now that cane sugar only gets a small premium over beet sugar. There are "Other Reasons" why food companies like to use processed syrups instead.

    79. Re:Consequences... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Japan works less hours, not more.

      They have a long work day, and a long nominal work week, but so many national holidays that their total hours of work per year is less than comparable American workers on a nominal 5 day work week.

      When your teacher told you that Japanese students have to spend way more time studying, because they have a 6 day school week? They weren't lying, they were merely ignorant.

    80. Re:Consequences... by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Don't derp all over yourself. Maybe there is some other solution between your binary choice of "do nothing" and "ban it!"

      I know, I know, thinking is hard. Keep trying. You can do it!

    81. Re:Consequences... by shilly · · Score: 1

      I was explaining to Opportunist that he had misunderstood the OP. I wasn't saying the OP was right or wrong.

    82. Re: Consequences... by shilly · · Score: 1

      Let's say you're right and the authors of the paper are wrong to cite diabetes as a factor.

      Still.

      You complained that the OP had not read the summary because they talked about processed foods and high sugar. But in fact, the only person who clearly had not read the summary was you, because processed foods and high sugar are causative for diabetes, and the summary said that the authors cited diabetes as a factor. They may have been wrong to do so, although I think you're wrong about that for the reasons others have put below, but they nevertheless did so, and the summary discussed it, and you didn't read the summary carefully enough to spot it, and then you went on to complain that someone else had not read the summary.

      You really ought to apologise for your bad behaviour. Not only were you unnecessarily rude to the OP, but you yourself committed the very sin you accused them of.

    83. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't let her get behind him. Also, "her" is his nickname for his "wife", Brutus.

    84. Re: Consequences... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are still at war with NK, technically.

      Growth fell half a percent this quarter.

      GM is laying off tens of thousands.

      You are 0 for three.

      Just like Trump trying to get it up on Melania.

    85. Re: Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      the need to rebuild after disasters such as Hurricanes Irma and Harvey

      Broken window fallacy.

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    86. Re: Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Would you like to explain how Roosevelt's internment camps delivered benefit?

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    87. Re:Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Japan has a markedly different diet, which has been demonstrated to be superior for long life.

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    88. Re:Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      To make up some numbers, if 10 million immigrants had an average death age of 45 in 2016 and 11 million immigrants had an average death age of 45.1 in 2017, they'd still be causing a lowering of the national average death age of 75 in a population of 330 million.

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    89. Re:Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Cooking in any variety of fat is unhealthy. People do need a variety of types of fat, but high temperatures degrade the fat and encourage the formation of toxic chemicals such as acrilamides.

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    90. Re:Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      American Organized Crime

      Most notably, the Kennedys.

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    91. Re:Consequences... by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      The ongoing opioid problem appears to be a blunder in the medical management of pain (at least in part.) I think this will become less of a problem as protocols to handle pain improve and technology provides superior alternatives.

      That doesn't solve the problem of people who buy opioids to get their jollies, but that's a societal/mental health problem which will be hard to improve.

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    92. Re: Consequences... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Not really. Disasters result in money being spent on construction that otherwise would not have been spent on construction. That money does get taken away from other purchases, but not necessarily from purchases of things built by blue-collar workers in the United States, which was the subject of discussion.

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    93. Re: Consequences... by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Diet though...

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    94. Re:Consequences... by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily (unless you wanted to think about it a bit). But it does directly contribute to low life expectancy, which is what we are discussing.

    95. Re:Consequences... by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Many of the people who die in the USA die of what you classify as 'suicides' but it is often people who overmedicate by accident. Like people who are on benzos and cannot even think straight because of the aftereffects to begin with. In Europe and other countries that put benzos on blisterpacks the death rate on those people is a lot lower as a result.

    96. Re:Consequences... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Therefor package everything in blister packs?

      If they're that confused, a blister pack isn't going to help. Sort meds into schedule type containers (e.g. 7 days, AM and PM spots).

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    97. Re: Consequences... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Translation: "Look just how much I don't know and will proudly tell everyone! I'm a good example for some reason! This is fine!"

    98. Re: Consequences... by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      No need to describe yourself. Enough of the chicken little talk, FUD, and fear mongering. The sky is not falling.

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  2. Better to die of natural causes by rfengr · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Russia, liver cirrhosis and lung cancer are natural causes.

    1. Re:Better to die of natural causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you've never smelled Russian tobacco, you live an extra 10 years longer no matter what else you do. There is a leather and transmission fluid component somehow. Of course their counterfeit Vodka is just mislabeled ammonia.

    2. Re:Better to die of natural causes by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Ammonia is too expensive. They typically put methanol (i.e. wood alcohol) on those fake vodka bottles.

    3. Re:Better to die of natural causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Russia, liver cirrhosis and lung cancer are natural causes.

      In the US too. (A disease is a natural cause)

    4. Re:Better to die of natural causes by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      As long as you aren't going to sober up for about 2 weeks, you can drink methanol (and other 'poison alcohol').

      The liver processes ethanol first, so real sots will just pee the methanol out as their liver will never get to it. It's metabolites of methanol that kill you.

      That's how Harry Karry could get away with drinking 'Sterno' in his coffee before every Cubs game.

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  3. Who said US is developed nation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    It is more like a religious backwater country. Yes there are patches of developed, say California or NewYork but the rest..

  4. Trump Voters/Supporters, BRING IT DOOOOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cast them out and it shoots right on up! Those people are very, Very, VERY STUPID!

    1. Re:Trump Voters/Supporters, BRING IT DOOOOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Switch them out with Syrian children so our wives can finally get laid!

  5. It's even lower than by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creimer's ball sack in summer!

  6. White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The enormous difference between age-adjusted death rate of Whites and Hispanics is surprising.
    White males are dying at a 40% higher rate than Hispanics (age adjusted of course.)
    This is about the same as the gender gap in death rate, which starts from birth. Males are much more likely to die in cots, or as toddlers in pools.
    Is the racial gap across life like that, or appearing in middle age from diet-related disease?

    Do the English-speaking children and grandchildren of Hispanic immigrants maintain that advantage if they live a mainstream American lifestyle?
    i.e. nature or nurture?

    1. Re: White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It was just in another large news outlet the other day that the suicide rates are the highest they've been in 50 years, and the vast majority of them are white males over the age of 14.

      The sad fact is that no media outlets or ethnicities will really care about it.

    2. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might it be a sense of alienation and the weight guilt people are made to carry for the past? Other groups have much more camaraderie.

    3. Re:White vs Hispanic by Texmaize · · Score: 0

      You mean to say that doing most of the country's meaningful work and the lions share of responsibility, while being constantly belittled and demonized can take its toll? Weird huh.

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    4. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooh, that's a fun game. I'd like a go too: "You mean to say that spending your days in self-righteous fury about how the spics and the wops and the women have taken jobs from god-fearing white men has taken its toll? Weird huh"

    5. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morning. Porn on every TV in the morning. its the only way.

    6. Re:White vs Hispanic by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Tell a bunch of people that they're the responsible for every evil on the world due being born the wrong gender and race enough times and they may decide to "take care of the evil".

    7. Re: White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because whites are bad people. Especially if straight. And definitely if male. I'm sure you got the memo.

    8. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't leave out the part where they are automatically excluded from activities because nobody would want to be racist and include a white male. A white male speaking is outrageous and unacceptable in many people's view. And that view is expressed openly. Of course wealthy white males are accepted because...money.
      Any white male without considerable immediate financial means is a target. Just about any slander or libel is acceptable if one just points at a white male without immediate power over the situation. Hell, it's obvious. See? He's white.

      Any other gender than straight white male...human. Any ethnicity other than white...human. This can be people who murder, rob, rape, steal and do just about anything. If they are not a white male then they must be understood and helped. White male working 60hrs to make ends meet...ape.

    9. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most suicides are "spur of the moment" kind of deals.
      Without an easy way to off yourself most people back out.

      Recreational gun owners are way more likely to commit suicide, the rest of the people just think about it.
      It isn't really a surprise that rural America is over-represented.

    10. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    11. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White males are dying at a 40% higher rate than Hispanics (age adjusted of course.)

      Citation required.

    12. Re:White vs Hispanic by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It is already well measured and understood that life expectancy is about lifestyle not genetics.

      For example, Japan has the longest life expectancy. Japanese-Americans who eat a traditional Japanese diet have life expediencies similar to people in Japan. And Japanese-Americans who eat a typical American diet have a typical American life expectancy. This was already well-established decades ago.

      All the "this group doesn't get this illness" stuff is about reporting, not about the health differences; the actual known health differences relate to rare conditions in the margins. For example, I've heard bozos my whole life saying that various people's indigenous to Alaska don't get heart disease, even though they eat lots of mammal blubber. It turns out, they just don't consider heart disease to be a disease; they consider that if you're 55 and your heart stops, it was age-related. They don't consider it a problem, won't accept treatment, and their doctors often don't write down heart disease as the cause of death. There are various ethnic groups that share this same pattern; early death, high animal fat consumption, cultural acceptance of those deaths, and widespread rumors that they have magical DNA that protects them from heart disease.

    13. Re: White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we can all match down the street. We need a way to recognize each other. White sheets are expensive, maybe a red hat, made in China with a tag that says made in America sewn on afterwards could do...

      Nah, just skip the tag.

    14. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      It is already well measured and understood that life expectancy is about lifestyle not genetics.

      Not precisely. In a way, everything is genetics. Human lifespan is fundamentally determined by our genes, and lifestyle typically affects that only in a narrow range.
      An ideal diet and exercise will only add a couple of years to your life expectancy over average. Fruit flies have short lives, and tortoises long because of genes.

      The real question is how much of the variance within a particular defined cohort, or difference between the average of two particular defined groups, can b explained by heritable factors. The answer may vary wildly depending on which groups you look at. And it gets harder because genes and lifestyle are not independent variables. Your genes affect your eating and exercise habits, in a way that interacts with environment (culture, opportunity). And genes also correlate strongly in ways that are not causal. So it is a difficult question.

      If you are looking at a more genetically homogeneous society like Japan, you can expect environment to explain a greater portion of the variance, compared to a more diverse society like the US, where there is much greater variance, and genetics obviously plays a proportionally larger role. The question is always "how much" nature vs nurture, with qualifiers. Never a black and white answer.

      For example, Japan has the longest life expectancy. Japanese-Americans who eat a traditional Japanese diet have life expediencies similar to people in Japan. And Japanese-Americans who eat a typical American diet have a typical American life expectancy. This was already well-established decades ago.

      Really!? Source? I see no data to support your assertion. The majority of Americans of Japanese descent are now well-integrated into American lifestyle, and the life expectancy is still far higher. Be cafeful of picking one old study that supports what you want to hear, and ignoring everything else.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

        Also, it would be a terrible mistake to extrapolate that to the whole world, even if it were true that Japanese and white Americans had similar genetic influences on lifespan.

      For individuals (in the same society), twin studies suggest "about 25 % of the variation in human longevity is due to genetic factors.".

    15. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      White males are dying at a 40% higher rate than Hispanics (age adjusted of course.)

      Citation required.

      Wasn't it linked in TFS?
      Here: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/produ...

      See the second graph.
      https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/image...

    16. Re:White vs Hispanic by Z80a · · Score: 1

      All you have to do is get the book "White Awareness: handbook for anti-racist training" by Judith H. Katz, and remove it's influence from the schools and colleges.

    17. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where did he admit to using a false identify? He has said repeatedly he uses his real name. Just because a bunch of worthless, cowardly, pedophiles keep accusing him of not being who he says he is doesn't change the fact that they are worthless, cowardly, pedophiles just like you! Now, stop molesting children you sick fucking piece of shit!

    18. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, so now you are posting AC? You really are the best, dude!

    19. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww! Aren't you cute. Another winner of the inferiority contest!
      Your prize is a life of grievance and conspiracy theories.

    20. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White males are dying at a 40% higher rate than Hispanics (age adjusted of course.)
      This is about the same as the gender gap in death rate, which starts from birth. Males are much more likely to die in cots, or as toddlers in pools.
      Is the racial gap across life like that, or appearing in middle age from diet-related disease?

      30 seconds with google finds the answer:

      Hispanic-White Differences in Lifespan Variability in the United States

      TLDR:
      Two-thirds of it is due to suicide, accidental poisoning and lung cancer among whites.
      Almost all of the remaining difference is due to greater age dispersion - some whites live a lot longer than other whites, but then they start croaking really fast once they start getting all those age-related conditions.

    21. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      30 seconds with google finds the answer:

      Well, an answer. Sadly, finding the correct answer might take more effort. It is not so simple.

      A. Coward is confusing "lifespan variability" within groups, with lifespan differences between groups. Totally different.

      Suicide only explains 5% of the latter, as pointed out earlier.

    22. Re: White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      White makes are 10% of the human population yet are almost considered disposable now. The accepted racism today is scary.

    23. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a certain amusing irony in the idea of fat old white racist Trump voters keeping hispanics out by building a wall only to find that the population of hispanics will still increase proportionally due tot he massive disparity in health.

      Turns out what all those fat old white racist Trump supporters need is socialised healthcare to help bridge the gap. The hispanics don't need it as much as they're already living much more healthily.

      I'm struggle to not laugh hard at the situation. The schadenfreude is amazing. It means that even in the face of the success of the rise of the far right and Trump, they're still ultimately going to lose because the demographics are so massively against them.

    24. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silenced? Lol you lame ass hypocrite. You never gave shit about ACs. All your posturing about taking responsibility for own words goes right out the window the minute you are faced with a modicum of actual responsibility. Classic narcissistic personality disorder. You are such a pathetic, aggrieved loser in life.

    25. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, IMPERSONATOR COWARD, you should take my words to heart. Keep repeating them as you are doing like a missive. Sooner or later, perhaps the wisdom will sink in and you will reach enlightenment. Until then, stop eating the shit out of your own asshole.

      gerald butler's impersonator

    26. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IRONY! You are doing it right! Even though you don't know it.

      Read more critically. Both topics are addressed in the linked paper. You are the one who has confused the two.
      Its true that the focus of the paper was in-group variability. But it was in the context of group differences.

    27. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a pethetic cuckold, dick-sucking, child molester. Stop eating your own asshole out you worthless piece of shit! Just fucking kill yourself. You are worthless.

    28. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back to posting AC now because you have such important things to say!!! You are everything you've ever accused anyone else of being. I am literally laughing out loud at you as I type this. Whats it like to be a living punch-line, dude?

    29. Re:White vs Hispanic by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      That's a large volume of hand-waving when you didn't even respond to what I said.

      If you had the same information, but your comment was responsive to the information in my comment, it would be a discussion.

      Instead, you regurgitated a bunch of stuff that you presumably understand was irrelevant and so small as to disappear into the margins of what I talked about. You can wave your hands about not believing decades worth of studies, or not believing it is possible that there are Japanese-Americans who eat a traditional Japanese diet, but that's just moronic.

      And you even wave your hands and claim that Japanese-Americans do actually have magical DNA even though I pointed out that studies show that they do not. Go out and read, little one. Find a library and read. The studies have been done, repeatedly, and they are clear about this!

    30. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.! Silence dumbass. The goddamn site won't let me post as my name because faggoty, lesbo, sjw, maga-faga, pedophiles like you can't handle criticism and constantly need a "Safe Space" because you are a coward and weak and ineffectual. Those of us who have been supporting all your worthless drug-addled asses for all these years have had enough. WE ARE TAKING BACK THE COUNTRY AND WE WILL CHANGE THE LAWS TO MAKE IT LEGAL TO KILL YOU AND PUT YOU IN HOLE. THEN WE WILL. YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM CIVILIZATION YOU WORTHLESS, COWARDLY, MAGA-FAGA, SJW, CHILD-MOLESTING, DRUG-ADDLED FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT! So fuck yourself. We're coming for you. 2nd Amendment Baby!

    31. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kiill yourself now. Save us the trouble. We're coming for you1 We'll take back the country and we will make it legal to kill drug-addled, pedohpile, cowardly chimps like you! Eat shit and die fucker! While your at it, stop diddling children you pedophile son-of-a-bitch! Tell your crack-whore mother to stop squeezing out worthless shits like you!

    32. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      You made a dogmatic statement "about lifestyle not genetics.".
      Nobody with a clue would take the extreme view that it is 100% one or the other, and certainly not that that such a thing can be proven with current data.

      Where is your supposed evidence? No doubt it will actually (correctly) claim there is a *component* of the death rate differential due to diet.
      Stop stop hand-waving, and show us where you found support for such an extreme claim.

    33. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the revolution comes, we will hunt down the SJW, MAGA-FAG, LGBTQ, Pedophiles like you and we will put you in a building with all the shit-bags like you and we will dump VX Gas in and enjoy the music of your screams for mercy which will not be forthcoming.

    34. Re:White vs Hispanic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that was real important. Good thing it got a higher score so that more people could see it. LOLZ!!! your brain is squirming like toad and we can all see how pathetic you are. everybody is laughing at you. EVERYBODY

    35. Re:White vs Hispanic by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You're regurgitating the mainstream view from 30 years ago.

      Look, I was taught the same thing, but if it is "genetic" then it is still apparently distributed equally among all peoples. Maybe it is "genetic" in the sense that each individual trait is distributed in the population in a "natural distribution," is that all you mean?

      Because the traditional view of it "being genetic" was that it meant the risks would be different in different populations, except that is clearly disproven by data. All the known genetic differences in risks in populations are from marginal risks. None of the major risks seem to be distributed differently by geography.

      And arguing against the data on Japanese-Americans is just daft. You won't change the results of the studies. Go out, search for data, and read, little one.

    36. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      You are the one making the claim, so where is you data? Sorry, I cannot find studies to support your assertion.

      I'm not quite clear on what you are saying though. Zero genetic factor in the 8-year gap between life expectancy of whites and Asians in the US?

      Are you just one of those people, who when challenged on an extreme claim, just wave your hands and tell the other guy to "go off and read"?

    37. Re:White vs Hispanic by quenda · · Score: 1

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      For instance, for three of the largest Asian groups (i.e., Chinese, Filipinos and Japanese), life expectancy is higher for U.S. born than for foreign born [4], which is contrary to the healthy migrant hypothesis. On the other hand, the life expectancy of Asians in the United States is higher than in any Asian country, which suggests that some health selection is likely at play.

      Well, that seems to blow a big hole in the "American diet" hypothesis.

    38. Re:White vs Hispanic by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You apparently can't read. You can write, but you can't read.

      Aliteracy cannot be solved merely with words.

  7. Cant say that by shaksys · · Score: 0

    "White men and women fared the worst" Woah, you cant say that!

    1. Re:Cant say that by quenda · · Score: 1

      "White men and women fared the worst"

      Woah, you cant say that!

      And it is a stupid comment, given that the year-to-year changes are very small, a tiny fraction of the persistent differences by race and gender:

      See page 2: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/...

      Black males are more than twice as likely to die, as Hispanic females of the same age.
      Which makes the overall death rate increase of 0.4% from last year, or 0.13% fall in life expectancy, look trivial.

    2. Re:Cant say that by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Exactly correct, you should ban your government from using those statistics. The only thing allowed is member of the original American nations, natural born US citizens, immigrant citizen (from where ever), how old they are (responsibilities and protections), their gender (male or female or anything they want to make up, protection) and that is pretty much it. Hey I am olive skin in winter I am white and in summer I am golden brown (well used to be, do slack to go out in the sun that much anymore), so what colour am I, white or brown, technically that was called olive skinned and I still hold to that and the only reason to keep record, would be to keep whitey out of the sun, they burn real bad. So skin colour should not be record except for police identification purposes.

      The US government needs to stop tracking anything in bullshit term of race, purely citizenship born or immigrant and if immigrant where did they immigrate from, that is it. Any record of Negro, Hispanic, White et al, should be deleted and banned (except of course olive skinned, that is special and should be kept track of, bwa hah hah).

      Obama care compulsory for profit Republican Health Insurance as first proposed by Mitt Romney is shit and the pharmas, hospitals, insurance only attacked it as part of the scam to block universal health care. Don't fucking ask for universal health care, demand it and taxes need to go as high as necessary to pay for it, done and finished.

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    3. Re:Cant say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't commit suicide when you don't get what you want.

    4. Re:Cant say that by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      So much for government involvement in curing Tay-Sachs disease or sickle-cell anemia.

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  8. Disease? by AHuxley · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    How many decades since the 1950's have top expert tried to work heart conditions out?
    With all the worlds top epidemiologist , diet tracking, decades of long term health studies?

    How to make your nation not sick again.
    Study the advanced nations that are not sick all the time.

    Stop letting people wonder around with known contagious conditions. Stop letting people into a nation with really expensive and untreatable contagious conditions.
    That should slow the random and unexpected spread of expensive medical conditions.
    Find out why the same medical problems keep on adding up every decade and every generation.
    Free charity health care exists. Doctors are still graduating on merit with advanced skills so the medical care is still of good quality all over the USA.
    The academic side and treatment side is still good. Why the numbers of new random sick people wondering around?
    The US still has the generations of experts who can track medical conditions and publish their findings. The real origins and spread of complex medical conditions should not be a total mystery per city/state/federally.

    Create a kind of software map or GUI to zoom in on problem city and areas? List all the conditions and work out why?
    Should be a nice big grant and publication in that.

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    1. Re:Disease? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Preventative healthcare is the key to a long life. Stopping stuff early keeps it from killing you suddenly or having permanent effects. People with poor healthcare (or limited access because of cost) tend to skimp on preventative healthcare, with corresponding effects on life expectancy. Why does the country with the most expensive healthcare on earth have the worst healthcare in the G20? Because dying patients are good for business.

    2. Re:Disease? by Megol · · Score: 1

      How many decades since the 1950's have top expert tried to work heart conditions out?

      Zero. It's happening now but with fever obvious advances given that the basics are known already.

      With all the worlds top epidemiologist , diet tracking, decades of long term health studies?

      So who is this top epidemiologist that have to be involved to make the ongoing effort valid in your eyes?

      How to make your nation not sick again.

      It'd be impossible but a good start would be actually following the advises on exercise and food. Exercise helps the whole body regenerate including the brain, even mental problems can be effectively treated with regular exercise. Eating more healthy is known to reduce cardiovascular problems and can potentially even help against some age-related health problems.

      Study the advanced nations that are not sick all the time.

      I don't understand... The study of nations with longer lifespan is already done but your characterization of them is very wrong - they are also "sick all the time".

      Stop letting people wonder around with known contagious conditions. Stop letting people into a nation with really expensive and untreatable contagious conditions.

      The first is a good one and one that is already done. The second, well, I don't understand how you think things work right now?
      Note that there is complexity here. There are societal and economical problems in stopping less serious diseases for instance the common cold, there are indications that doing that could actually worsen the spread of more serious diseases (by making the immune system less responsive) and potentially make autoimmune diseases more common. Similar effects are (last I read about it) assumed to be behind the increase in allergies.

      That should slow the random and unexpected spread of expensive medical conditions.

      Which you can provide several examples of I presume?

      Find out why the same medical problems keep on adding up every decade and every generation.

      And this isn't done?

      Free charity health care exists. Doctors are still graduating on merit with advanced skills so the medical care is still of good quality all over the USA.

      Free health care, lol. Not even in "socialist" Europe is that true, in the US? Nope. The care is generally good if one can have it, excellent for most cases with a few areas where Europe or Japan is currently leading.

      The academic side and treatment side is still good. Why the numbers of new random sick people wondering around?

      Genetics, lifestyle choices, random chance, environmental factors.

      The US still has the generations of experts who can track medical conditions and publish their findings. The real origins and spread of complex medical conditions should not be a total mystery per city/state/federally.
       

      And it isn't for simple cases. Most life-threatening diseases aren't transmittable and have complex factors.

      Create a kind of software map or GUI to zoom in on problem city and areas? List all the conditions and work out why?

      Should be a nice big grant and publication in that.

      If your ideas how things work would be close to reality, probably.

    3. Re:Disease? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No matter how good your doctor is, if you cannot afford him he could be offering eternal life and you'll still croak from a preventable disease because you just can't afford it.

      And with more and more people not being able to... well, what do you expect?

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    4. Re:Disease? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do "complex factors" make the USA so very unique?
      A series of advanced nations have the same levels of decades of industrialization in and around their city areas.
      The same transport, factory products. The US did improve on occupational safety and health. Such a large number of industrial conditions would be easy to track.
      The same levels of water treatment. The same ability to design working sewer systems. For many decades.
      Food should be of the same quality to average working and middle class populations. Doctors do notice and report conditions resulting from a lack of food.

      Back to the question of what a well funded US wide epidemiologist study could find.
      What are the "societal and economical problems" that makes some advanced nations able to do "health" care on average for their average populations?
      Re "Genetics, lifestyle choices, random chance, environmental factors."
      Hows the US populations "genetics" different?
      Lifestyle choices? Are other advanced nations making their populations do more sport more often?
      What are the "random chance" factors unique to the USA not spread over other advanced nations globally?
      Re "environmental factors? Lots of unexpected super fund sites in middle class and working class communities all over the USA nobody has ever noticed?
      A US epidemiologist would have found that polluted area and published on that interesting collection of medical conditions.
      Advanced nations like the USA can track and gather long term health information related to unexpected health problems in any community.

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    5. Re:Disease? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU, Ivan.

    6. Re:Disease? by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      You say that like it's a bad thing. There are more than enough poor people around already without them living forever.

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    7. Re:Disease? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So the solution is to kill them indirectly by not preventing their death?

      At least you don't gun them down in the streets for sports, I guess.

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    8. Re:Disease? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      A bunch of hand-wavy stuff about something-something being the "same," followed by a bunch of unknowns that obviously would be known if the hand-wavy stuff was actually known.

      Yes, it is true; if we had more data, we could have more studies about that data. But most of your blathering isn't about answerable questions, but about unanswerable questions. If we were in a dictatorship, perhaps a study could be arranged, and we could just force half the neighborhood to exercise more, and quantify exactly how much of that neighborhoods differences were due to exercise, and how much was due to pollution. But we can't.

      Go and try to study any of that shit, and you'll either come up with a bunch of steaming bullshit, or else you'll realize that apples-to-apples data is elusive, even in an overall data glut.

    9. Re:Disease? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Cardiovascular disease not resulting from defects present at birth is almost completely preventable through diet, exercise, and supplements. As a person ages, the occasional blood test is a good idea to make sure that everything is working properly.

      A similar argument applies to cancer, but compared to heart disease our knowledge is less advanced with respect to what needs to be known. Applying what's now known, from a young age and throughout your life, should cut cancer risk by at least half.

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  9. Tired of all the winning by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    The good news is the end appears to be coming, and with a quickness.

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    1. Re:Tired of all the winning by quenda · · Score: 1

      The good news is the end appears to be coming, and with a quickness.

      The change in life expectancy is very small. I'd rather know about quality of life. How active are people in their later years?
      Is modern medicine making our lives better?

    2. Re: Tired of all the winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this mean you're doused with gasoline and about to flick your bic?

    3. Re: Tired of all the winning by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Odd. That's exactly what I told my girlfriend...

    4. Re:Tired of all the winning by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The change in life expectancy is very small. I'd rather know about quality of life. How active are people in their later years?
      Is modern medicine making our lives better?

      It very much depends upon where you are located. If you're in West Virginia, your later years are getting much worse. If you're in California, especially the Central Coast, your later years are great.

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    5. Re:Tired of all the winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The good news is the end appears to be coming, and with a quickness.

      I couldn't believe Trump won. I thought better of my country's people than that, but this populist manipulative crap so easily gains power. I've no doubt i've been less optimistic ever since he did win. Heck I'm still fairly certain i'm going to move out of the country someday, both just to have done so, and because it be nice to live somewhere where people have the same values.

      Do I partly blame Trump for the drop in life expectancy? Yes, though he is as much symptom as cause.

    6. Re:Tired of all the winning by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll
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    7. Re:Tired of all the winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww Pope Crapso needs a hug.

      I continue to enjoy watching Orange Man Bad live rent free in your head as you subjugate and destroy everything you claim to hold dear like democracy, free speech and liberty just so you can assuage your personal hate-fest and all those who continue to mod you up as some sort of truthiness bearer.

    8. Re:Tired of all the winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The WAPO article spun the study they referred to completely out of context and into something the enquirer would be proud of:
      http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2008-16429-006

      Newsweek muckraked the WAPO article.

      The study was over a decade old. Furthermore, labeling a study "Precarious manhood", then proceeding to compare manhood to womenhood instead of simply looking at Manhood (the title is a misleading attention-grab) is the kind of thing that destroys the credibility of an organization. When you have to ask "Is this major scientific organization, or the entire Science, Biased by leftist thinking or is the organization just simply desperate?", and you can legitimately "yes" to that question, you are in a very dark and forboding place.

      I guess propaganda can cause even psychologists to lose their minds....that's pretty disturbing.

    9. Re:Tired of all the winning by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Depends on how much money you have, in both places.

      Retirees in Paradise thought they had it great, their money was useless.

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    10. Re:Tired of all the winning by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It wasn't high income. They didn't even have fire breaks. Individual houses did not have fire plans with roof sprinklers, or any of the other stuff that rich people living in the woods have.

      You can just look at the pictures of their burnt houses and see that the houses filled the whole lots; they were all tiny lots that could barely hold the houses. That is not what rich neighborhoods look like.

      These were middle class people who bought as much house as they could and didn't have a budget left over to also protect it.

    11. Re:Tired of all the winning by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what rich (not filthy rich) neighborhoods look like in the bay area. They brought their expectations with them, didn't want big yards. They also _blocked_ cutting firebreaks as the whole town was mostly typically liberal greenie 'city folk'.

      I helped evacuate a house full from the 2008 fires. Friends of friends, but I have a pickup and a trailer.

      Most of Paradise was bay area retirees with a ton of home equity to spend. Not high income, no jobs, but not low net worth either.

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    12. Re:Tired of all the winning by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Most of Paradise was bay area retirees with a ton of home equity to spend.

      24% retired is not "most".

    13. Re:Tired of all the winning by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Note the demographic bump in your own data. Also not everybody retires at 65. You as assuming.

      But fair enough, not most, but well over a quarter. Enough that the most common job will be 'wiping oldfolk ass'.

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    14. Re:Tired of all the winning by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      People from the bay area with "lots of equity to spend" do not move out of the bay area to retire in the foothills overlooking the central valley.

      That is so absurd and stupid you should be embarrassed.

      You should visit the Bay Area some day. And don't claim that you have, you'll look worse, not better.

  10. Fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just checked and I'm still alive. Once agan corelation does NOT equal causation and scientist wonders why no one believes them any more.

  11. Decisions, Decisions by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You either live long enough to go bankrupt from the out of control US healthcare system
    or you die young without ever having to experience the horrors of how this country treats
    its elderly.

    Personally, I think I would prefer the latter over the former.
    ( and I'm closer in age to the latter than the former )

    1. Re:Decisions, Decisions by tepples · · Score: 2

      Next time invest better or get a job instead of being a welfare liberal.

      What should someone who has a full-time job or pair of part-time jobs do when said job or jobs turn out inadequate to pay for food and shelter?

    2. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get better jobs and dealing with the fact it can be difficult?

    3. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last I looked, most of the money we pay in health insurance goes towards treating old people of old age.

    4. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Become an awesome independent contractor like cayenne8.

      Did I mention that he's awesome?

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    5. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, once you move out of your basement and stop playing The Sims you'll notice that out in the real world, it ain't as easy as in a computer game.

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    6. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      wrong.

      if you are a smart american, you leave.

      Better healthcare in different countries. cheaper living. and they respect elderly.

      win on all fronts.

      such limited thinking - usa is not the only country on this rock. sorry, but its true.

    7. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only through you own fault. Just because you are poor doesnt mean I have to pay for YOUR helth care when you are an infeable old fart. Next time invest better or get a job instead of being a welfare liberal.

      Regardless of how big your nest egg becomes, you will blow most of it in the last 6 months of your life due to medical costs. Try and remember that fact before attacking others, you fucking prick.

    8. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard as fuck. People who whinge and project blame on society are stupid and weak. People who move and sacrifice tend to succeed. You seem to be the whinging type.

    9. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, I'm doing quite well in life. I was terrible at the sims. I find life a hell of a lot easier than I found simulation type games. Only way real life is harder for me than a game is that when shit hits the fan, you can turn the game off and in life, you either deal with it, or you turn it off permanently.

      Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying life is easy, just easier than I found those damn games. I worked it out that an average day I have between 13 and 14 hours of commitments, I'm always tired, if I'm not working, I'm studying to keep my skills up to date, I don't sleep well. It's hard. But I've been far more successful in it, that's all.

    10. Re:Decisions, Decisions by tepples · · Score: 1

      Get better jobs

      Who's hiring?

    11. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Artagel · · Score: 1

      Why blame the healthcare system when the population is so unhealthy? A healthcare system can't fix people killing themselves and then showing up for help. Only 12% of the US adult population is metabolically healthy.

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/r...

      The healthcare system also has challenges that many other countries don't have: unhealthy people and populations that are heterogeneous both culturally and in ancestry. Is it perfect? No. But looking at results only as opposed to inputs and results is ignorant.

    12. Re:Decisions, Decisions by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Basically everyone. If you not seeing it, you are on the wrong website.

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    13. Re:Decisions, Decisions by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Medicare covers most of 'old age' costs in America. It pays a small %, transferring the cost onto those that have private insurance. Hard to untangle the actual costs.

      Most of the money we pay in the system goes toward treating old people, same as everywhere with modern healthcare.

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    14. Re:Decisions, Decisions by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

      Should be room wherever you want to go. Almost all nations net immigration into America. But most nations are full of 'border controlling NAZIs' like Trump, don't expect to just jump a fence and be done.

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    15. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm mostly the "screw you, I got mine" type, now aging and noticing that hey, I should leave a legacy that doesn't make people spit on my grave.

      Think Bill Gates, just not THAT rich.

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    16. Re: Decisions, Decisions by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You're working 13/14 hours a day and are constantly sleep deprived?

      We have very different definitions of "successful".

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    17. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indian call centres.

    18. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Nope, not going to happen. I watched my father go out like that. I have options.

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    19. Re:Decisions, Decisions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need to hurry the fuck up and go then. You're taking a job and resources of someone who actually gives a shit.

  12. Re:Suicides and Overdoses, sad. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    I was sad when it was Princess Leia.

  13. where are the guns mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The CNN article does not mention gun deaths - it is a major contributor to unintentional death and suicide.

    1. Re:where are the guns mentioned by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's also a major contributor to intentional death, so it evens out.

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    2. Re:where are the guns mentioned by geekmux · · Score: 1

      The CNN article does not mention gun deaths - it is a major contributor to unintentional death and suicide.

      Highlighting the fact that 65% of all gun deaths are due to suicide would take away from their anti-gun arguments. That is why it was not included. Anti-gun zealots never want to fracture the gun death statistics.

  14. Cuba by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [US] life expectancy fell by one-tenth of a year, to 78.6 years

    One tenth of a year was the difference between USA and the 50 years embargoed Cuba in WHO 2015 study.

    1. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      Right, but those stats are heavily biased by infant mortality rate definitions where the same baby who dies in Cuba and the US gets eliminated from the stats as never having been born in Cuba, but as a very short life expectancy in the US.

      Creating a huge negative based on the fact that in the US they're extremely more likely to try and save severely premature babies than they are in Cuba is a bit ridiculous and renders those stats effectively meaningless.

      For example:

      In the U.S., very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such infants – considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive – is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. IM statistics.

        Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400 grams (0.9 lbs) were born in the U.S.

        Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth. But in the U.S., all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive and are reflected in our IM statistics.

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    2. Re:Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuba also doesn't count deaths from those that just disappear.

    3. Re:Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but those stats are heavily biased by infant mortality rate definitions where the same baby who dies in Cuba and the US gets eliminated from the stats as never having been born in Cuba, but as a very short life expectancy in the US.

      Creating a huge negative based on the fact that in the US they're extremely more likely to try and save severely premature babies than they are in Cuba is a bit ridiculous and renders those stats effectively meaningless.

      For example:

      In the U.S., very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such infants – considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive – is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. IM statistics.

        Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400 grams (0.9 lbs) were born in the U.S.

        Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth. But in the U.S., all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive and are reflected in our IM statistics.

      This is one of the most twisted attempts to wish away America's appalling problem with infant mortality I've ever seen.

      It's not because you're so good. It's because you're fucking shit. Also you're quoting Forbes, in case anyone was in any doubt what a cunt you are.

    4. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2

      If you disagree with the facts provided, then feel free to provide a different set of facts and source.

      But simply resorting to insulting people, countries and organizations just demonstrates you have no actual argument nor knowledge on your side.

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    5. Re:Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, but those stats are heavily biased by infant mortality rate definitions where the same baby who dies in Cuba and the US gets eliminated from the stats as never having been born in Cuba, but as a very short life expectancy in the US.

      The life expectancy of someone in New York state is the same as someone who lives in Denmark. For someone living in Mississippi, it is the equivalent of someone living in Bangladesh.

      * https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/scientists-just-ranked-all-50-states-by-life-expectancy-results-are-truly-stunning.html

      It seems that (in general) the redder the state politically, the worse it does.

    6. Re:Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That AC is an ignorant buffoon. However, there is more detail to infant mortality than *just* different definitions.

      One of the issues is that infant mortality is high correlated with the age of the mother. Very young (under 15) and very old (over 45) mothers tend to have problems. Many of those very underweight, underdeveloped, or premature births come from those mothers. This results in infant mortality from those groups that is roughly 60% higher than other groups.

      And the US has a significantly higher rate of young teen and very old mothers. When you compensate for mother's age, the US rises 3rd best in the world for infant mortality - even with the US's world-broadest definition of "live birth".

    7. Re:Cuba by techdolphin · · Score: 1

      While it is true that Cuba and European countries have a different definition of infant mortality than used in the U.S., it would not affect the statistics that much. If you adjust the stats by matching U.S. infant mortality definition to match the definition used by Europe and Cuba, the U.S. still has one of the highest infant mortality rates of any developed country. The argument that a different definition causes the problem in this country is a red herring.

    8. Re:Cuba by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same could be said for you. You can't spout thoroughly debunked Nazi propaganda and expect anyone with a brain to take you seriously. In most cases, if a nazi is espousing a view, reality is often the opposite of what they say. So considering your view on infant mortality rates are known nazi propaganda, a betting man would be wise to put money on the opposite conclusion.

    9. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Stating the fact that difference countries measure infant mortality differently is "known nazi propaganda"????

      Wow, you really need to work on your trolling to at least make it a little bit plausible...

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    10. Re:Cuba by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      The rest of the infant mortality gap is primarily explained by the age of the mother increasing low birth weights, i.e. teen births.

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  15. What is Winter Sunlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
    Working of Error

  16. On behalf of the rest of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a great start!

  17. Courtesy of China by melted · · Score: 3, Informative

    30k deaths in 2017 from fentanyl overdose, most of it coming from China. And rates are growing exponentially.

    1. Re:Courtesy of China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would not be surprised if those addicted to fentanyl have chosen suicide. Might be related in the statistics.

    2. Re:Courtesy of China by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Fentanyl is often added to other drugs without the user's knowledge. It ups the perceived potency, and therefore lets the drugs be cut more. However, it's extremely dangerous.

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    3. Re:Courtesy of China by fafalone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And that's happened as opiate prescriptions have plummeted.

      Overprescribing was addressed in the worst possible way. Forcing people off their prescriptions of a standardized product led to seeking black market alternatives. This is yet another example of how prohibition takes something dangerous and makes it massively more so, since we keep falling for the same old idea that people won't take/can't get drugs if you simply ban them.
      Make no mistake, this massive spike in ODs wasn't some unforeseen surprise, everyone familiar with opiate abuse predicted this. The policy makers were no doubt informed of this, and then actively chose massively increasing overdose deaths over people continuing to use a less fatal alternative under some medical supervision. Not only that, our new crisis of severely undertreated pain has come roaring back, and legitimate pain patients are ODing and killing themselves too. Another totally foreseen consequence. Once again, the government looked at a drug problem and said 'Lots of people are dying, how can we make even more people suffer and die?'. It's sadomoralism, they desire only to punish drug users (not just abusers), not to actually reduce the harm drugs cause.

    4. Re:Courtesy of China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30k deaths in 2017 from fentanyl overdose, most of it coming from China. And rates are growing exponentially.

      Is there some way I can buy shares in this?

      Because I'm going to find some way to buy fucking shares in THAT!

    5. Re:Courtesy of China by mentil · · Score: 2

      Actually they desperately want to be seen as "doing something", no matter the cost to society. Ideally, something that'd actually pass, unlike sane comprehensive drug policy reform. Addressing the opioid epidemic was a plank of many political platforms this year.

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    6. Re:Courtesy of China by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, don't poop free market and capitalism!

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    7. Re:Courtesy of China by geekmux · · Score: 1

      30k deaths in 2017 from fentanyl overdose, most of it coming from China. And rates are growing exponentially.

      Yeah, and heroin usage spiked when we started cracking down on pill mills.

      Root-cause analysis points a lot of spiking drug usage back to when we allowed the Medical Industrial Complex to shove opium in a prescription bottle and then lobby to subsidize costs and make opioid addiction as cheap as possible for the masses.

      Yeah, we have someone to blame alright. It ain't who you think.

    8. Re:Courtesy of China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ravenge for what opium did to China in the 19th century perhaps?

    9. Re:Courtesy of China by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The Chinese are fools if they think 'test chems' aren't leaking into their own population.

      If it was revenge, they would be sending it to Britain. Yes I know, to the Chinese we're all just 'big nosed foreigners'.

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    10. Re:Courtesy of China by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

      30k deaths in 2017 from fentanyl overdose, most of it coming from China. And rates are growing exponentially.

      Yep. And one hundred point zero percent the result of the drug war. End it, correctly treat addiction as a medical issue, and that number will plummet.

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    11. Re:Courtesy of China by melted · · Score: 1

      Nah, I think prescribing opiates willy-nilly led to some really bad shit as well. You're making it sound like it was no big deal, but it was a big deal. Opiates are highly addictive, easy to overdose, and often dangerous to take with other drugs. So the crackdown on over-prescription was entirely appropriate IMO. What was not appropriate is that people who were already addicted to opiates did not have a viable path to get off them: drug rehab is heavily stigmatized and costs a ton of money.

    12. Re:Courtesy of China by fafalone · · Score: 1

      I said that overprescribing was addressed in the worse possible way, not that it shouldn't have been addressed. There were a few issues that absolutely needed changes: prescribing opiates for minor conditions, criminal pill mills, and not having a tracking system to prevent doctor shopping. It is wrong to refuse to treat pain, to cap dosages, to force people down or off (and then onto suicide or street drugs). You could have addressed the problems without doing by creating those others. Nothing about those problems had to be addressed by forcing people onto street drugs causing an OD spike and leaving people in severe pain to suffer, OD, or kill themselves.
      Opiates, especially the common ones, actually have a good therapeutic index (LD50/ED50 (ED=Effective Dose)); like for oxycodone, ED is 5-10mg in an opiate naive patient, it's not lethal until 80-100mg. You have to be deliberately abusing it, taking a lot more than directed usually in combination with contraindicated drugs, to overdose. This is something abusers have to worry about, not pain patients, and abusers are *more* at risk of an overdose when they use street drugs, which they're absolutely going to get.

  18. Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's lots of cancer cures now, cancer is no longer the absolute death sentence it once was. Heart disease? Just ask Dick Cheney if they can fix it.... yeh they can. You blamed immigrants bringing "untreatable contagious conditions". What disease exactly? "heart disease"?? "Suicide"?

    Lots of cures for lots of diseases, but healthcare has been de-funded, and large parts of Obamacare have been undermined, and you cannot afford it because you are old and have existing preconditions.

    Lots of cures for lots of diseases, BUT NOT FOR YOU.

    Of the two countries with the longest lifespans:
    Switzerland has compulsary healthcare insurance, aka Obamacare.
    Japan has 70%/30 state/compulsary private insurance.

    It's not immigrants that bring the problem, the Republican party is home grown. Fox News is a *domestic* propaganda outfit. I's not immigrants that defunds Obamacare.

    1. Re:Blame immigrants? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC their are more long term costs to a nations health system than just "'heart disease" AC.

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    2. Re:Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch & Family. Calling it domestic is an overstretch.

    3. Re: Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You gotta be shitting me. Even the NY times admitted that Hollywood is pushing Chinese propaganda.

    4. Re:Blame immigrants? by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

      There's lots of cancer cures now, cancer is no longer the absolute death sentence it once was. Heart disease? Just ask Dick Cheney if they can fix it.... yeh they can. You blamed immigrants bringing "untreatable contagious conditions". What disease exactly? "heart disease"?? "Suicide"?

      Do you know anything about cancer?
      It is absolutely a death sentence. While we have successfully reduced for instance cervical cancer incidence drastically by effective screening measures in certain demographics (and the HPV vaccinations are starting to show effects in the incidence rates), most cancers are deadly, and the top 3 (lung, breast, prostate) have probably killed someone in your family.
      A successful operation, even at Stage 1A does in no way guarantee a return to the standard life expectancy. A quick look at the Kaplan-Meier for most cancers will tell you that death within 5 years is greatly elevated. Lung, breast, and prostate, cancers (the most common) are incredibly dangerous, and the treatments for the various forms of these are themselves deadly enough to reduce a person's lifespan by many years. If you get adult leukemia (AML), you will enjoy not only an incredibly invasive treatment, but the survival rate is below 20% at 72 months. For pancreas, it's even worse at around 10% after 60 months. Should you get a glioblastoma, good luck, because less than 5% of patients survive more than 60 months.

      With that said, the most common cancers are highly dependent on age. The older the population grows, the more likely carcinogenesis becomes. So when the life expectancy goes down, cancer rates drop as a likely cause of death.

      It's strange that you would mention heart disease as something that "can be fixed" as cardio- and angio- vascular diseases are the top cause of death in an older, or especially obese, population. This category encompasses far more than that one thing Dick Cheney suffered from.

      Immigrants, by which I assume you mean poor people from third world countries, are not likely to die from cancer since life expectancy in these groups generally fall below the numbers needed for cancer to become a likely cause of death. Instead they suffer from increased risk for cardiovascular disease as a result of poor diet (Mexico for instance has the highest obesity rate in the world, and India suffers greatly from cholesterol-related diseases due to the high rate of coconut fat used there). They also tend to carry increased risk from a life of bacterial and viral infections that take an overall toll on the body's immune system and repair functions.

      Healthcare is the *last* resort for these types of diseases, and while it does help, it is far better suited to dealing with other diseases and situations. A healthy and active lifestyle is the best way to protect yourself.

    5. Re:Blame immigrants? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Cheney has no heart, the pacemaker he has is only there to keep up appearances.

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    6. Re:Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of the two countries with the longest lifespans:
      Switzerland has compulsary healthcare insurance, aka Obamacare.
      Japan has 70%/30 state/compulsary private insurance.

      For the Swiss (and Germans), health insurance is actually run by private companies (not the government), and yet they have universal coverage. The difference to the US is that the companies cannot make a profit (at least on 'basic' plans). So they have to run very efficient processes to lower their prices.

      The US has a very good health CARE system. It has an atrocious health INSURANCE system.

    7. Re:Blame immigrants? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you are correct that this has nothing to do with immigrants of any variety, you manage to then swing into complete idiocy by trying to blame Republicans for "undermining" Obamacare - which is an insurance system, not a care system.

      The real cause, and all the studies are quite plain about it, is bad diet and little exercise. Americans eat too much, eat the wrong things, and sit on their ass too much.
      Europe is beginning to see these problems, as the average weight begins to climb there as well. In another generation or two, expect to see the same life expectancy in Europe as the US.

      Except for cancer, of course. The US will always have a much better survival rate for cancer.

    8. Re:Blame immigrants? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      American Samoa has the highest obesity rate in the world.

      Mexico has the highest of obesity rate of large countries.

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    9. Re:Blame immigrants? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Many American insurance companies are 'non-profit', that just means they pay the bureaucrats insane salaries as well as employing their useless relatives.

      The iron law of bureaucracy never sleeps (bureaucracy serves itself).

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    10. Re:Blame immigrants? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You blamed immigrants bringing "untreatable contagious conditions". What disease exactly?

      He's blowing a dog whistle about AIDS and Africa. Just so you know.

    11. Re:Blame immigrants? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Careful, now, Darth Cheney might not find your lack of Faith amusing.

    12. Re: Blame immigrants? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Immigrants from other countries die much earlier because of the hard life they lived before coming here.

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    13. Re:Blame immigrants? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Fortunately he is not able to force-choke across the pond.

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  19. TECH! by wolfheart111 · · Score: 2

    nothing that cant be fixed with Tech :)

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    1. Re:TECH! by mentil · · Score: 1

      Indeed, let's ask Facebook and Amazon what they're doing about that.

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    2. Re:TECH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nothing that cant be fixed with Tech :)

      I was also convinced that this was a well timed and pitch perfect parody of everything that Slashdot stood for, but then I clicked on his comment history.

    3. Re:TECH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are we talking Star Trek or The Matrix?

    4. Re:TECH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only we could replicate the sun in a bottle and make electricity extremely cheap or even free. ..hmmm...

      http://thesurfaceofthesun.com/
      http://safireproject.com/
      http://thesunisiron.com/
      http://rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm
      http://rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm

    5. Re:TECH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm about to release a blockchain app to fix this!

  20. Good news by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

    As life expectancy goes down, the possibility that social security will work goes up. The less people who can claim the benefits means more money to fewer survivors. Grim, but it's the truth.

    1. Re:Good news by urusan · · Score: 1

      Too bad it's the young people who are needed to prop up the social security system who are dying in unusually large numbers...

    2. Re:Good news by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As life expectancy goes down, the possibility that social security will work goes up. The less people who can claim the benefits means more money to fewer survivors. Grim, but it's the truth.

      According to the article I read, the main cause of the drop is an increase in suicide and drug overdoses among the young. Which means fewer people pumping money into the system, without much corresponding drop in the people drawing out of the system. So I'd expect the opposite results...

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    3. Re:Good news by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Are most junkies paying taxes? I doubt they are net contributors, given the state of the US tax system.

      Suicides, sure idle richers off themselves, but the trust fund money remains. They weren't working either.

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    4. Re:Good news by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      So what matters is the life expectancy at ~62 relative to the growth/decline of the population of ~15-45 years olds who will be funding their next ~20 years. Geezers dying from our awful healthcare system will help SSA, young folks giving up and committing suicide or OD'ing will not.

  21. YouTube by Tolvor · · Score: 1

    Famous last words in the past...
    Hey, watch this!

    Famous last words now...
    I've got an idea for an viral video! Let's try...

    (Hint - the Tide Pod challenge)

    1. Re:YouTube by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      True heroes.

      If we only had more people like them, if only to have eventually fewer people like them.

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    2. Re:YouTube by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Watch the first 15 minutes of Idiocracy again. Pay particular attention to 'I'm going to fuck all yaall'.

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  22. Really? Surprise! (NOT) by jimbrooking · · Score: 5, Informative

    American life expectancy has for years (since I've been following it) trailed most developed nations, according to the OECD (https://www.oecd.org/els/family/CO_1_2_Life_expectancy_at_birth.pdf). Kind of goes along with paying more than any other country in the world for healthcare (https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm), and having poor showings in most measures of public health (https://data.oecd.org/health.htm#profile-Health%20status). Add income inequality (1% vs. 99%) and income stagnation for the Rest Of Us, with suicide and drug abuse increases and life expectancy decreases? Not in the least surprising.

    1. Re:Really? Surprise! (NOT) by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      We also lead in greasy, cheap food and sedentary lifestyles. Much of the death increase is a result of success, including opiod addiction in a perverse way.

      Go look at the reasons again.

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    2. Re:Really? Surprise! (NOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      drugs/suicide are diseases of despair.

    3. Re:Really? Surprise! (NOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also lead in greasy, cheap food

      Clearly you've never been to Scotland or Canada. Those guys have us beat by a country mile when it comes to cheap, greasy food.

    4. Re:Really? Surprise! (NOT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As well as collusion between the health insurance industry and congress.

  23. Re:Life expectancies concentrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Basically if you're [anyone I dislike] ....

    You wish. In fact it's the gun-owning rural conservatives who are committing suicide in growing numbers. From TFA:

    In 2017, the suicide rate for the most rural counties (20 per 100,000) outpaced that in the most urban counties (about 11 per 100,000) ... this 2017 urban suicide rate is 16% higher than in 1999 (about 10 per 100,000), while the 2017 suicide rate for the most rural counties is 53% higher than in 1999 (about 13 per 100,000), the report indicates.

    This also goes some way to explaining why the declining life-expectancy is a white thing.

  24. It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    What's sad about this is the sole reason for the lowering is the large increase in drug overdoses.

    If we would just legalize drug use we could ensure people got help they needed instead of hiding the problem for fear of being arrested... and get safer drugs to boot.

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    1. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by helpfulcorn · · Score: 2

      I think that's a gross oversimplification of the problem, because not everyone wants help, and often times in my experience people can be in total denial about needing it at all, or just too ashamed regardless.

      Not only that if people are overdosing on medications they were prescribed in rising numbers too, legalisation doesn't really make much of a difference with those deaths. I think there's a much larger problem here than just saying: legalise it and people will know they need help when they do, actually get help because there isn't shame or anything else involved (alcoholism, perfectly legal, tons of alcoholics and people too ashamed to still get help), and drugs made in FDA approved labs will become less deadly.

      This on top of the fact getting help can also cost a lot of money, especially in the rural areas where it's rising, there aren't tons of community drug rehabilitation programs.

      I don't have any answers, but legalising it and (with the simple answer, seemingly implying) washing your hands of all of the deep seeded social problems in America isn't a proper approach.

    2. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

      Only in America!

    3. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Legalizing isn't washing your hands of it, it's merely the start of being able to truly help.

      Keeping such drugs illegal is washing our hands and then using our clean hands to dig a large hole into which we place our heads so we cannot hear the screams of the damned.

      If we tried what Portugal did 14 years ago, maybe we'd have similar success...

      Don't forget we could still go after dealers of really dangerous stuff, it would juts make small quantities illegal.

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    4. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure drug legalization is going to work with fentanyl. Might as well start giving people hand grenades.

    5. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Call me cold-hearted, but I don't see a big problem there.

      Where I see the problem is that there is a profound lack of non-addictive pain killers in the states. A lot of stuff that is commonly used in Europe is either not FDA-approved or had their approval removed because of some very uncommon side effects. Change that and the only people who overdose would be the ones who are using drugs voluntarily and if they don't care about their lives, why should I?

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    6. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      Claiming that Portugal "legalized" drugs is a bit misleading when what they de-criminalized was the possession of quantities clearly meant for personal consumption. The Netherlands did something similar, sans the extra money and effort into drug awareness and treatment, several years prior and they're well ahead of European averages in drug use and deaths. Not only that, in some parts of the country the police spends more than half of their time going after warring drug gangs.

      In other words it's kind of clear that what helped wasn't de-criminzalization, it was taking treatment and public awareness more seriously by funding it better. If you actually ask young people over there who have been subject to their public awareness campaigns in school they're typically going to tell you that they don't even want to do drugs (including light stuff like hash). I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the success of the public awareness campaigns warning people of the dangers of doing drugs is the main reason why Portugal is so well below the average in terms of drug use and deaths.

      Other than that there's also the fact that we're talking about a western European country with a healthcare system that isn't driven for profit, where they monitor doctors' prescriptions of drugs with a risk of being misused recreationally and where advertising any prescription drugs to consumers is strictly forbidden (so patients don't even demand opiates like they do in the U.S). I'm from Finland, which is very similar in these regards, and one of the things my dad, a doctor with well over 30 years experience, finds absolutely abhorrent about the U.S system is the way in which prescription drugs are advertised on directly to consumers. When he went to a conference a few years ago he genuinely couldn't believe his eyes when he turned on the TV and saw an ad for a prescription drug (which I think was a painkiller with a serious risk of addiction).

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    7. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Name those 'non-addictive' effective painkillers. THC?

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    8. Re:It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by strikethree · · Score: 1

      ... If we would just legalize drug use we could ensure people got help they needed ...

      No. No they wouldn't. I do agree that we need to decriminalize drugs but rather because of the huge Black Market that emerges with all of its attendant criminalities.

      Seriously how will they get help? They get involved with drugs because reality sucks waaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too much and suicide is not really a good answer. Helping them with addiction is not going to solve the problem with why they started drugs in the first place. The world needs to be an enticing place to live but in America, living is NOT very enticing because being an economic slave is just not very fun or desirable.

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    9. Re: It's drug overdose rates skyrocketing by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Metamizol and parecoxib

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  25. Booze, Broads, & Pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I plan to live for a hunnert yeaz.

  26. Suicide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. The CDC data says the cause is suicide, you did not mention suicide.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6714a6.htm

    2. You blended this with "males vs female" cot deaths, as if suicide is a disease white people catch.

    IMHO, its simply culture, you don't get a lot of people sitting at home, alone, in a gated community, with nothing but TV and Facebook to keep them company in latino cultures. You get annoying families and their annoying friends and annoying children and annoying parties and annoying communal eating and group social cultures.... and perhaps they're not that annoying after all. It could be worse, you could be alone with only an XBox as your friend in some bleak housing estate in a house you can barely afford.

    1. Re:Suicide by quenda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The difference in suicide rate from AC's link is 12 per 100,000. (18 vs 6)

      The overall death rate is 885 vs 632, a difference of 253 per 100k.
      So suicide rates, while high, only explain 5% of the white-hispanic male difference.

    2. Re:Suicide by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      Can't imagine there's much of a difference in food, housing, work stress, workplace accidents or homicide (which is AFAIK is only a really big killer for black men, who are mostly killed by each other). Only thing that I can think of is the effect of hispanic men being more likely to be working manual labor and thus getting more exercise. Particularly ones that emigrate into the U.S as adults have probably spend their childhood getting a good amount of exercise as it's known that childhood exercise has beneficial effects that last well into adulthood.

      Come to think of it, seeing how these figures are based on the information of people who have died, a childhood and early adulthood spent elsewhere could explain a good chunk of the "death gap" between white and hispanic men. Less time to clog up your arteries and destroy your internal organs with unhealthy food, less time to get prescribed opioid painkillers unnecessarily and be addicted to them, less time to have the effects of a sedimentary lifestyle set in, less time to be subject to all kinds of carcinogenic and otherwise unhealthy compounds in the environment, etc.

      Still, a race-based cause-of-death breakdown would probably be necessary to turn this from guessing to anything more concrete.

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  27. The trend is positive over time by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    https://projects.fivethirtyeig...

    General stats are in a positive trend. And if you break down the data by cause of death, most of the negative things are highly concentrated in a few troubled communities. The overall statistics are pretty solid.

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    1. Re: The trend is positive over time by jd · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, globally.

      Regionally, there are communities where it's abnormal to not live to 100 and a fair few reach 110-120. In better shape than most people are at age 60.

      We need a better understanding of what their lifestyle does to their body.

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    2. Re: The trend is positive over time by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      The link I provided is for the US.

      The article was about the US.

      the article says US numbers are going down... actually US numbers are up strongly over the last generation.

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    3. Re:The trend is positive over time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your source discusses deaths up to the year 2014. The CDC publication referenced on the front page here specifically discusses deaths since 2014 and their impact on US life expectancy. Now, it could be that the last 4 years were a statistical anomaly, but regardless your source is not looking at the same data set.

    4. Re: The trend is positive over time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperbole rarely helps your case. Has the number of people who lived to 120 even hit double digits. And I'm talking about through all of recorded history.

      Some quick research looks like 1 person has reached 122, 1 person 119, about 7 to 117 and at 116 it starts to open up a bit. But none the less, 110+ is EXTREMELY rare. And there doesn't seem to be any grouping. Though oddly half of the 10 oldest men ever were all from the US.

    5. Re: The trend is positive over time by jd · · Score: 1

      And one of the aforementioned Blue Zones is... guess what? In the U.S..

      My point stands. Or sits. Or does yoga. Whatever it takes to convince people to look at the whole.

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    6. Re: The trend is positive over time by jd · · Score: 1

      You'll find the Blue Zones are remarkably difficult to research over the whole of recorded (3,500 BC to now, excluding 2,200-1,500 BC) history. Even in modern times, although the historical records are there, the people who track records tend to rely on self-reporting. Why, exactly, would some Chinese goatherder, Japanese fisherman or Greek farmer go to the trouble of contacting Guinness Book of World Records?

      And you'll also find one of the Blue Zones in the US.

      Anyways, if you have a higher than normal percentage of the population living to 100 in generally better health than elsewhere, a higher than normal percentage must live beyond that. Unless you think the Greek islands are haunted by an axe-wielding maniac.

      122 is improbable, as the human body is physically incapable of living past 120 unaided. That means all dates given must be +/- up to 2-3 years. Maybe more. Probably more. Records, even today, are notoriously unreliable.

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  28. Who cares about the poor, what about middle class? by aberglas · · Score: 2, Insightful

    USA numbers are bad because of the underclass of uninsured and un cared for people.

    But slash dot readers are middle class (despite their wingeing). and I think you will find that middle class Americans do just fine.

    Just don't ever get poor.

  29. On the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully this applies to the Trump and he will be nothing but a fading nightmare in about 4 years.

  30. Emotional instability by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is a product of poor education and poor diet. The areas affected suffer both.

    Poor genetic health is a factor, with urban communities typically having better genes, but that would be overwhelmed by diet and education.

    America's he-man culture and lack of functioning health service (mental health is virtually absent, synthetic opium is handed out like candy by doctors to make up for it) are other major blunders.

    And remember this is an average life expectancy, it's different for men and women. Men tend to live shorter lifespans. And it's male lifespans that are falling fastest.

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    1. Re:Emotional instability by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      So men from the he-man culture are dying? Why's everybody so upset? This is cause for celebration surely.

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    2. Re:Emotional instability by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You might have noticed that the effin SUMMARY (no need to even read an article) states that the reasons are not natural, but artificial shortening of life, like suicide, murder and sickness. It's not a matter of diet or education, it's a matter of money.

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    3. Re:Emotional instability by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

      Poor genetic health is a factor, with urban communities typically having better genes

      Ummm, what? You're actually claiming that rural folks are genetically inferior in some way? Got a link to back that up, or are you just stereotyping them all as inbreds?

    4. Re:Emotional instability by jd · · Score: 1

      Suicide, murder and sickness all increase where you've a poor diet and little education. And, no, odd as it might seem, neither diet nor education are natural causes.

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    5. Re:Emotional instability by jd · · Score: 1

      I lived for 5 years in the Appalachians. What do I need to stereotype them for?

      Yes, they're inferior, not because they're inbred but because they're bloody insular. Cities are genetically healthier because they have large numbers of foreign people living there, bringing in new genes. More importantly, new genes successful enough for the person to move overseas.

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    6. Re:Emotional instability by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      There's an alternate explanation for the claim that people in the city are genetically better. Losers can't make it in the city, they move to the country where they can handle what they need to live. Capable people living in the sticks get bored, move to the city to have more excitement and make more of their lives.

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  31. Re: Who cares about the poor, what about middle cl by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The middle class is dying. And the bulk of people I've worked for were unhealthy slobs who will die stupidly young.

    The air pollution around Portland, OR - home of the middle class, or at least theur books - is replete with heavy metals such as mercury. And restrictions are being lifted. It will get worse.

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  32. If it grows exponentially, what's the exponent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean "logistic" growth, for the population is finite, and therefore the population of drug users, and therefore the number of drug deaths. You can't have 400 mio fentanyl overdose deaths on a population of 320 mio, and some people just never take up the drug use. So you simply cannot have your exponential growth.

    1. Re:If it grows exponentially, what's the exponent? by melted · · Score: 1

      Exponentially so far. Look at the graph. It will taper off, of course, but so far it's a classic hockey stick.

  33. Re: Life expectancies concentrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, obama's genocidal campaign against rural "traitors" worked well. The cost of not voting (D) after seeing the bankers sell their jobs to China was expensive.

    Well, they sound like a bunch of losers, so good riddance. America is for winners.

  34. Fact check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no such thing as "middle class".
    There's only the capitalist owning class, and everyone else who must sell their labor to live.
    "Middle class" is just a propaganda term to win favor from the slightly wealthier working class.

  35. Re:Life expectancies concentrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The thing about gun-owning rural people is that they've got, well, guns.

    Looking into the numbers more it seems the attempted suicide rate is about the same. Just those with guns are much, much more successful.

  36. "Promises made. Promises Kept." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With Trump in the White House who wants to live?

    Suicides went up the most among elderly rural males. In other words, Republicans. These people should be the happiest with Trump.

    Perhaps they would be if he'd do what he said he'd do. How's that resurgence in coal going? "Promises made. Promises Kept."?

    Seriously, what did they expect from a grifter?

    1. Re:"Promises made. Promises Kept." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't know the president created legislative pieces. Thanks for the info.

  37. Obamacare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We were also told one of the reasons we HAD to pass Obamacare was because of this stat.
    Here it is passed, and that stat gets worse. Once more lie in the quiver of things Obamacare was supposed to fix. Did it accomplish ANYTHING besides getting Obama's buddies in the insurance companies richer at the expense of the middle class?

  38. mostly liberals to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Worrying about paying our high taxes, grief over the MILLIONS of babies murdered every year, inability to practise your religius beleifs freely, etc.

    1. Re:mostly liberals to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a bunch of stupid. Dumbest post I've read in this thread so far and there are actual retarded people posting here. They make more sense than you. Killing oneself is STRICTLY prohibited by the bible. Ergo, someone who kills thyself is NOT holy.

  39. Re: Life expectancies concentrated. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Itâ(TM)s no mystery why: rural workers and blue collar workers are being increasingly replaced by low cost migrant workers and cheap Chinese imports, so they are hardest hit.

  40. That does NOT explain it by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    See if the number of infant mortality was increasing that would explain it, but they have stayed stable or lower slightly. Therefore while this can explain an *offset* between USA and other OECD country, it cannot explain the trend. Furthermore even as an offset, it is incredibly low and cannot account for such a huge discrepancy : infant mortality even with those "lowered" rates are 3 per live birth in Germany and 6 per live birth in USA. That cannot account for the discrepancy in average life expectancy difference : 1.7 years that would require far more than 3 more baby per live birth to drop an average of 1.7 years over 300 million people (hint : 3 more death of baby per 1000, so about 12000 baby death per year, so per cohort at most I come with a gap of about between 1 and 2 month of contribution. That still leaves you 18 month to explain and baby death will not do that).

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  41. Move to Canada - add 5 years to your life. by Layzej · · Score: 1

    And yet Canadians can expect to live ~5 years longer than USians: https://www.statista.com/stati...

  42. Antidepression Drugs Lead to Suicide by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 0

    One site says 1/4 of Americans use drugs that increase suicide risk. HELLO, could it be the fucking big pharma bastards killing people off?!

    "Hey are you depressed and want some medicine to feel better? Here take this, it makes you care about nothing, including your own life."

    Pretty sure some illegal drugs do the same damn thing. People need to stop taking shit and go outside more, hang with your family more, be a normal human more.

    https://www.vox.com/science-an...

    https://www.drugwatch.com/ssri...

  43. Heart disease not the #1 killer by Jogar+the+Barbarian · · Score: 1

    It's close. (in the USA) Heart disease killed about 800,000 in 2017, but there were 880,000 abortions. It used to be close to 1.4 million/yr, so that's good progress.

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    1. Re:Heart disease not the #1 killer by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Fetuses are potential human beings, fetuses are not human beings. An abortion does not kill a human being.

      That said, the potential is important, and the abortion issue should be treated with wisdom and care, neither prohibiting nor encouraging them.

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    2. Re:Heart disease not the #1 killer by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Fetuses are potential human beings, fetuses are not human beings.

      Care to back that up with evidence?

  44. Jobs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "lack of regular steady jobs that allow you to have a reasonably well planned life"

    I work with a bunch of people that have above average salaries and excellent job security. Many of us have been here for over a decade - a few are near 20 years.

    We also have excellent healthcare benefits.

    The crazy thing is that much of our staff is very unhealthy. The average BMI here is well north of 25 and probably closer to 30.

    A regular steady job with good healthcare benefits is no guarantee of good health and lifestyle. Frankly, most of the labor/tradespeople I interact with are in far better shape despite less pay, longer - less predictable hours, and lower quality benefits.

  45. Re:Who cares about the poor, what about middle cla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US numbers are bad because we've imported significant digits of malnourished third-worlders.

    Magic dirt doesn't translate to longevity after the fact.

  46. Trapped in a surreality show without the TV? by shanen · · Score: 2

    Basically expressing concurrence (or some form of solidarity?) with this comment and some others you've made, but I don't (ever) have any mod points to give you. [I've stopped wondering why no mod points. Just one more aspect of the broken and incurable state of Slashdot in general and the moderation in particular.]

    However it takes years for new causes to affect mortality statistics and therefore I think it is too soon to blame #PresidentTweety, even though I agree he is a YUGE source of unnecessary stress. I'm certain that I would be quite unhappy if I were trapped in a reality TV show, but this surreality show, even without the TV, is really starting to get to me.

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    1. Re:Trapped in a surreality show without the TV? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      It's easy to ignore Trump, so those who are stressed by him are already masochistic. It's not easy to avoid the press and television, where the panic-stricken yowlers are unending.

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  47. Then let's find the right website by tepples · · Score: 2

    Then let's find the right website. My cousin recently graduated from university and is seeking a first job, but most job postings in his combination of field (computer science) and location (Fort Wayne, Indiana) require a degree plus two years of related experience. He told me that he doubts that, say, working at a Wendy's restaurant for two years would qualify as "related" enough. What website should he be looking at? Or should he instead be asking the HR department of each company seeking experienced workers where other successful candidates have earned their two years of related experience?

    1. Re:Then let's find the right website by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      He's a CS grad without any experience at all? WTF was he doing during summers and in HS?

      Clearly NOT a nerd, doesn't belong here. Rather one of the ones that pick major by salary survey, and likely suck at coding.

      How many languages can he program? What libraries is he familiar with? That tells the whole story.

      I suggest he go to Github and find a project needing volunteer testers. Should have done it about six years ago, but never too late to start his practicals.

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    2. Re:Then let's find the right website by tepples · · Score: 1

      He's a CS grad without any experience at all? WTF was he doing during summers and in HS?

      Taking summer classes and coding.

      I suggest he go to Github

      He has an account on GitHub. What steps could I take to help him find 1. gaps in his skill set that he needs to address, and 2. a job using his skill set so that he can build up finances with which to relocate?

    3. Re:Then let's find the right website by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      He's your cousin, let him crash on your couch while he boots up a job. Bumfuck Egypt is a big part of his problem...they are all hiring, both of them.

      That would be an acceptable account for a HS senior. Has he ever finished anything or worked on anything with a group?

      He needs to focus on marketable skills, not writing derivative sprite games for obsolete emulated consoles or Javascript HTML5 games. SQL remains a very key skill. Again, languages and libraries...

      Also lose the furry avatar. Some freaks will never be accepted. I know a woman who wasn't getting any callbacks because she was using something like 'LainStaylyKicksAss@yahoo.com' as an email. His account has to come-off more professional that it does, if it's his only 'experience'.

      As bad as it is, he'd get a job as a javascript money anywhere there is industry. They need virtual 'chinese armies' of coders for that hot mess.

      Clearly a gamer with dreams of writing games. I suggest he NOT work in the game industry, they suck to work for.

      He's worked on assembler, that says 'embedded' these days. Can't tell if he's any good at it though.

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    4. Re:Then let's find the right website by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Has he tried places other than Fort Wayne? Even in the midwest it's not a city known for tech.

    5. Re:Then let's find the right website by tepples · · Score: 1

      He'd first need to find a job in order to save up enough money to relocate himself out of Fort Wayne.

  48. It's urban planning - workforce participation 83% by FeelGood314 · · Score: 1

    The suburbs and rural living kill you now. Both are completely car dependent now. That wasn't true 30 years ago. New subdivisions are designed so that you do all your shopping in big box stores. You don't walk anywhere and you barely even talk to your neighbours. It would make most kids suicidal or drug addicts. The rural areas lost their youth to cities, their local stores to the big box stores and their sense of community. The USA might claim an unemployment of under 4% but a better number to look at is the work force participation rate for white males between 20 and 44. It's only 83%. That's abysmal. The USA is getting very sticky as far as moving. New immigrants are willing to move for work but existing people in rural areas are not. As a result many have given up on finding work so they don't count as unemployed. We need to change our urban planning so people can live in cities and be neighbours again. Otherwise more of us will be going to the funerals of our children.