HP did have Linux desktops and laptops you could buy.
Nobody bought them. So HP stopped selling them.
It's easier for HP to just have systems that they test with Linux and if large customers want a Linux laptop HP can tailor it to suit that customer.
One of the most bizarre things I've noticed with Linux users is that they tend to reject any system being sold with Linux on it and rather go out and buy a Apple product that runs Linux like shit, a Thinkpad because of the bragging rights, or the Windows version of the Linux laptop because a few options are not available for the Linux version (invariably because they don't work well with Linux) or that the Windows version is slightly cheaper.
There is simply no reason for OEMs to market Linux systems when even existing Linux users won't be their customers.
Gtk+/glib comes to mind at once, with their GObject infrastructure.
Curious in this context is a quote I read somewhere by someone giving reasons why Gtk+ could absolutely not run faster (than Qt, iirc): "Because there is a whole lot of strcmp() which cannot be dispensed with." Now I see why in more specific details: Because this is how classes are identified in Gtk+, whereas in C++, they become integers.
This is a perfect example of brand blunder. No offence to the Canadian team, but a perfect brand blunder it is. It's probably not a direct equivalent of pushing a product badly mis-named for the target market, but it will eventuate in a whole lot of misunderstandings, all totally undeserved.
A little bit of linguistic research would be appropriate. OTOH, we have GIMP, and everyone is getting happily along with it...
> Seriously, what good are programs you can check and compile yourself?!
When source is open, it's not so much for end users to inspect it (although they very well might), but for them to rest assured that *others did*, and verified it's clean. That's the whole bloody point of any Linux distribution.
Perusing the new arrivals in gentoo portage this morning, spotted libreoffice, paused thinking: lib-What? Another regex library for some kind of "office"?
> I don't know how much of OO is still built on java, Next to nothing; it's all C++.
The java bits are entirely optional, OOo will run happily without java installed. Except for some wizards and `macros', you won't even notice or miss anything.
> NTFS still is offering features that takes several layers of software on Linux to copy..." Kernel has XFS for some, ReiserFS for others, ext4 for the rest of us, and then some: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems. You would score a point if you cited ZFS as a FS with "some fairly advanced features", but NTFS just isn't that advanced among the rest.
> Linux had a huge chance... Troll. Mod him bloody down someone?
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It is exactly for the reason that I am not an expert in it that I don't do plumbing nor farming. And, the world will be a safer place if plumbers don't do any heavy IT work either.
There's a clear distinction between (end) users and admins. Apple, for one, tries hard to blur it, but the distinction is there.
Since when cluelessness is not a excuse? The internets ain't your city park where all dogs wear muzzles and a purse accidentally dropped on the ground will be brought to you by the discreet police no later than in five minutes. If anyone in charge of a computer goes carefree to the point that his computer becomes a zombie, this becomes *my* problem, not just theirs.
> but a software update after you purchase it would be nice I believe P2K phones had no directly user-accessible way to apply any updates (well, except rebooting with * and # held pressed etc), and hence, no updates were ever made available. Anyway, the relative simplicity of the underlying OS wouldn't warrant all the trouble of enabling the update mechanism. That is, once the device has been tested in 2006, it will work until the end of time. But, with Android, I do see provisions for updating (my recently bought) Milestone, -- and here it makes a perfect practical sense.
Generally, until they settled on Android, I think Motorola had been in great irresolution about which platform to develop, and possibly, they chose to stick to the tried and true P2K as an interim solution that had lasted too long (10 years as you said). To die in dereliction is the ultimate fate of all embedded Linuxes unless they go all the way and get synced with the mainline. Considering the great flux mobile platforms are in these days, it's hard to blame them for lack of insight.
> I'm not talking about aftermarket mods,... > Motorola has not supported that community at all. And I was emphasising precisely the existence of knowledgeable and helpful community, individuals who literally love the brand, even when this affection seems to be unreturned. Their purpose is not to subvert, break, crack, remove protection, but largely to make a better use of all the hardware is capable of. Put differently, Motorola's indifference here is more like nVidia's stance on the development of nouveau: "We have no intentions to help them, but neither will we be in the way." Whilst Apple's (and Sony's, for an even better example) anal locking down of their devices only tends to provoke untoward efforts for the sake of teenage bravery.
For me in particular, it matters that Motorola does not do some dark obfuscation or encryption or checksumming that prevents any 3rd-party mods from running on their devices. And, in turn, it matters for me that there are many geeks (not crackers) among Motorola owners.
> And if you apply a software update that you download from a website, you're voiding the warranty That's all true. However, exercising judgment and reading what they write in bold capiltals at the beginning of the howto ("Before reflashing, give a proper think to it and answer this question in double-affirmative: Do you really need reflashing?"), leaves all responsibility with the device owner. All fair.
And if you take it too lightly and eventually brick your phone, there are manuals on how to bring it back to life.
> Phones are hardware, but the software is key.... but if the software is buggy and lacking functionality, > they will turn to a new source.
There is a big community around Motorola mobiles (modmymoto.com, motorolafans.com, motofan.ru). For each of their architectures (P2K, MOTOMAGX, EZX), there is a good deal of mods, flashes, skins, language packs, all things software existing in all possible colours and varieties, eventually bumping into the hardware limits. And all of it works.
I bought my L7 back in 2006 in The Netherlands, and it had (reasonably) no Cyrillic support. After a week of texting in translit, I had reflashed it, and have been happily texting ever since -- all it had taken me was, google the matter. Do I owe this improvement to Motorola? Yes, but only for making it possible and not being in the way.
You see the care and attention you seek in Apple's being ever at war with modders, where every next system update wrecks the phone that's been previously jailbroken: I see in this a monumental waste of resources. If Motorola refrains from enfocing their control over the devices they sold to you, this is by no means negligence, and least of all, evil.
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Standard GTK themes had SVG icons since, like, 2005.
> watch the disappear into private coffers
You are too anxious to never fail to write *The* with "Ukraine". Relax.
I have an iPad, an iPod touch, mac book pro and iMac at home. (However my day job involves an awful lot of Microsoft based products and systems)
The part in parentheses goes a long way explaining why you have bought so much into Apple.
HP did have Linux desktops and laptops you could buy.
Nobody bought them. So HP stopped selling them.
It's easier for HP to just have systems that they test with Linux and if large customers want a Linux laptop HP can tailor it to suit that customer.
One of the most bizarre things I've noticed with Linux users is that they tend to reject any system being sold with Linux on it and rather go out and buy a Apple product that runs Linux like shit, a Thinkpad because of the bragging rights, or the Windows version of the Linux laptop because a few options are not available for the Linux version (invariably because they don't work well with Linux) or that the Windows version is slightly cheaper.
There is simply no reason for OEMs to market Linux systems when even existing Linux users won't be their customers.
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At times struggling to give adequate names to local functions, I once named one
void $(that_asshole)_does_not_exist();
$that_asshole being one particularly unhelpful idiot because of whom an otherwise very productive period of employment came to a premature end.
That deal with Lance Armstrong was probably not the smartest idea.
Gtk+/glib comes to mind at once, with their GObject infrastructure.
Curious in this context is a quote I read somewhere by someone giving reasons why Gtk+ could absolutely not run faster (than Qt, iirc): "Because there is a whole lot of strcmp() which cannot be dispensed with." Now I see why in more specific details: Because this is how classes are identified in Gtk+, whereas in C++, they become integers.
One who wants it cheap, has to pay twice, isn't it?
Oh wait...
That's how Microsoft, and any other decent proprietary software company, creates jobs.
It has been told many times already. 768 dots may be OK for a phone. For a laptop, anything less than a 1000 is just sad news.
BSPlayer shows ads. IIRC, VLC has none.
This is a perfect example of brand blunder. No offence to the Canadian team, but a perfect brand blunder it is. It's probably not a direct equivalent of pushing a product badly mis-named for the target market, but it will eventuate in a whole lot of misunderstandings, all totally undeserved.
A little bit of linguistic research would be appropriate. OTOH, we have GIMP, and everyone is getting happily along with it...
> I usually boot it in 20s on my virtual servers
Running stock kernels (and with a standard set of rc services) as a server os is suboptimal. You will be amazed what make nconfig can do for you.
A binary ffmpeg built on one of my core2 machines wouldn't run on another, due to ssse4.1 used here but not there.
I guess gcc *did* some ssse4.1 optimisations, then?
> Seriously, what good are programs you can check and compile yourself?!
When source is open, it's not so much for end users to inspect it (although they very well might), but for them to rest assured that *others did*, and verified it's clean. That's the whole bloody point of any Linux distribution.
No, I don't believe a gentoo user will ever run Windows.
Brezhnev & Honnecker, no?
Perusing the new arrivals in gentoo portage this morning, spotted libreoffice, paused thinking: lib-What? Another regex library for some kind of "office"?
> I don't know how much of OO is still built on java,
Next to nothing; it's all C++.
The java bits are entirely optional, OOo will run happily without java installed. Except for some wizards and `macros', you won't even notice or miss anything.
How is this heap of ramblings insightful?
> NTFS still is offering features that takes several layers of software on Linux to copy..."
Kernel has XFS for some, ReiserFS for others, ext4 for the rest of us, and then some: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems. You would score a point if you cited ZFS as a FS with "some fairly advanced features", but NTFS just isn't that advanced among the rest.
> Linux had a huge chance...
Troll. Mod him bloody down someone?
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It is exactly for the reason that I am not an expert in it that I don't do plumbing nor farming. And, the world will be a safer place if plumbers don't do any heavy IT work either.
There's a clear distinction between (end) users and admins. Apple, for one, tries hard to blur it, but the distinction is there.
Since when cluelessness is not a excuse? The internets ain't your city park where all dogs wear muzzles and a purse accidentally dropped on the ground will be brought to you by the discreet police no later than in five minutes. If anyone in charge of a computer goes carefree to the point that his computer becomes a zombie, this becomes *my* problem, not just theirs.
Mod parent poster emphatically up.
It appears we put accents differently.
> but a software update after you purchase it would be nice
I believe P2K phones had no directly user-accessible way to apply any updates (well, except rebooting with * and # held pressed etc), and hence, no updates were ever made available. Anyway, the relative simplicity of the underlying OS wouldn't warrant all the trouble of enabling the update mechanism. That is, once the device has been tested in 2006, it will work until the end of time. But, with Android, I do see provisions for updating (my recently bought) Milestone, -- and here it makes a perfect practical sense.
Generally, until they settled on Android, I think Motorola had been in great irresolution about which platform to develop, and possibly, they chose to stick to the tried and true P2K as an interim solution that had lasted too long (10 years as you said). To die in dereliction is the ultimate fate of all embedded Linuxes unless they go all the way and get synced with the mainline. Considering the great flux mobile platforms are in these days, it's hard to blame them for lack of insight.
> I'm not talking about aftermarket mods, ...
> Motorola has not supported that community at all.
And I was emphasising precisely the existence of knowledgeable and helpful community, individuals who literally love the brand, even when this affection seems to be unreturned. Their purpose is not to subvert, break, crack, remove protection, but largely to make a better use of all the hardware is capable of. Put differently, Motorola's indifference here is more like nVidia's stance on the development of nouveau: "We have no intentions to help them, but neither will we be in the way." Whilst Apple's (and Sony's, for an even better example) anal locking down of their devices only tends to provoke untoward efforts for the sake of teenage bravery.
For me in particular, it matters that Motorola does not do some dark obfuscation or encryption or checksumming that prevents any 3rd-party mods from running on their devices. And, in turn, it matters for me that there are many geeks (not crackers) among Motorola owners.
> And if you apply a software update that you download from a website, you're voiding the warranty
That's all true. However, exercising judgment and reading what they write in bold capiltals at the beginning of the howto ("Before reflashing, give a proper think to it and answer this question in double-affirmative: Do you really need reflashing?"), leaves all responsibility with the device owner. All fair.
And if you take it too lightly and eventually brick your phone, there are manuals on how to bring it back to life.
> Phones are hardware, but the software is key. ... but if the software is buggy and lacking functionality,
> they will turn to a new source.
There is a big community around Motorola mobiles (modmymoto.com, motorolafans.com, motofan.ru). For each of their architectures (P2K, MOTOMAGX, EZX), there is a good deal of mods, flashes, skins, language packs, all things software existing in all possible colours and varieties, eventually bumping into the hardware limits. And all of it works.
I bought my L7 back in 2006 in The Netherlands, and it had (reasonably) no Cyrillic support. After a week of texting in translit, I had reflashed it, and have been happily texting ever since -- all it had taken me was, google the matter. Do I owe this improvement to Motorola? Yes, but only for making it possible and not being in the way.
You see the care and attention you seek in Apple's being ever at war with modders, where every next system update wrecks the phone that's been previously jailbroken: I see in this a monumental waste of resources. If Motorola refrains from enfocing their control over the devices they sold to you, this is by no means negligence, and least of all, evil.