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Tim Cook Defends Apple, Teases Exciting New Products In The Pipeline (bgr.com)

anderzole quotes a report from BGR: Apple's earnings report last week saw the company report a year over year decline in profits for the first time since 2003. The biggest contributing factor to the decline, not surprisingly, is that year over year iPhone sales dropped by 16%. Notably, Apple's most recent quarter represents the company's first iPhone sales decline in history. Consequently, the usual contingent of pundits and analysts have come out of the woodwork, all exclaiming that we've reached 'peak iPhone' and that Apple at this point has nowhere to go but down. In an effort to inject a bit of good news and all-around optimism to a particularly negative Apple news cycle, Tim Cook earlier today appeared on CNBC with Jim Cramer where the Apple CEO teased that Apple's still has a lot of innovation left to do and some interesting items in the product pipeline. "We've got great innovation in the pipeline," Cook said to Cramer. "New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones. We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today. That has always been the objective of Apple is to do things that really enrich people's lives. That you look back on and you wonder, how did I live without this."

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  1. Tim Collins aka the emperor has no clothes by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 0

    Show me what you got!

    1. Re: Tim Collins aka the emperor has no clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim you magnificent bastard you've done it again! How many times can you capture lightning in a bottle?

    2. Re: Tim Collins aka the emperor has no clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Collins? I'd rather have a Tom Collins with Tim Cook

    3. Re:Tim Collins aka the emperor has no clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I WANT TO SEE WHAT YOU GOT!

  2. New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

    Stick a fork in them.

    1. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

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    2. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      Frankly at this point in time an iphone doesn't even have the number of features I have on my old samsung galaxy s3.
      Mr Cook is just spinning around. Apple has non fucking idea for the next best thing. Smartwatches ain't it. Iphones ain't it, unless you want to end with a tablet as a telephone. So ? I don't know maybe a fucking desktop computer ? Ditch that cylindrical shit you take for a workstation and bring back the imac mini, or the fucking desktop workstations that don't look like a thermos bottle.

    3. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of this has anything to do with survival. It has to do with earnings reports, stock, and about a hundred quotes from Tim Cook about how innovative they are.

    4. Re:New iPhones by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apple was never the leader in features.
      In terms of the competitors Apple always tends to be in the middle of the road. Even the original iPhone which set the cell phone industry 2 years to redesign their phone, still was a rather modest device in terms of features, And you could do more with say a Blackberry.

      Apple at its best will come with a new idea for a new way to use a product, however they don't seem to go crazy on features. Apple at its worse is still rather decent quality product that looks good, but you have no use for.

       

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    5. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even mind the lack of features, what I mind is that they've gotten away from what made the iPhone a pretty decent device to begin with. iOS was behind the curve right out of the gate, but what few features it had, Apple refined the hell out of them. Next update, add a couple more features, refine the hell out of those. Now it feels like they're trying to play feature-catch-up with zero refinement and the iPhone is almost painful to use now. Their music app is a fucking mess, nothing benefits from the 3D touch features (it's faster to just open the damn app than hard-press the icon on Home), search is worst-in-class.

      They need to stop releasing new shit for a while and start polishing what they have.

    6. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cook needs to take some of that dough stashed offshore and maybe look at the enterprise. As it stands now, businesses will pay more for Apple products because of the name, similar to why a lot of fleets buy Mercedes Sprinter vans instead of Dodge ProMasters.

      Apple doesn't have to compete for the low bids with the PC makers, people order their stuff by name.

      Tim just needs to take advantage of this. Grab some IT people who have been in the trenches, toss some cash on leapfrogging HP's iLO, and Dell's iDRAC. Cut a deal with VMWare (yes, Dell would get a cut, but who cares), and bundle servers with ESXi in ROM (but updatable) and ready to toss on a rack, powered on, and be ready for what lies ahead.

      Software-wise, add a real hypervisor to OS X (tier 1 hypervisor, like Hyper-V.) Apple used to be the #2 storage vendor once upon a time, and the advantage of going that route is that the enterprise is always a solid sale.

      As of now, Apple still has a reputation of quality, a notch above the competitors. Not many people will buy a Dell Dimension by name. Apple needs to take that reputation, and hit the enterprise hard.

    7. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I'm taking this OS that has existed for years and years.. and I'm putting it on a phone!

      Oooh, how innovative! Buy, buy, buy!

    8. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My wife is over her iPhone. She dislikes them cramming it full of apps that she doesn't use and can't get rid of. Especially since she can't add storage. Unless removable storage is in the pipeline, I know of at least one convert from apple to google.

    9. Re:New iPhones by sglewis100 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In fairness to Apple, all those products you just described are multi-billion dollars lines of business for Apple. Computers both desktop and notebook, smart watches, phones, TV set top boxes, tablets, music subscriptions, TV and movie sales/rentals, music sales, all measured in billions not thousands or millions. And with the exception of computers, all things that weren't offered 15 years ago. Heck they still book a lot of iPod Touch sales. I guess I'd love to spin around Cook does, and the way Jobs did before him. I mean, they're no Michael Spindler, but they do ok...

    10. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know of a whole convert? That's literally ones of people.

    11. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of those things were popular 15 years ago, but every single one of them existed before Apple came out with a version.

    12. Re:New iPhones by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      If they're going to do new iPhones, they need one that costs $99 or less. He spends time talking about the Chinese market, but they're not going to grow in that market anytime soon unless:

      1) the phone is capable and cheap, as the market of Chinese people who can afford a $699 phone is saturated 2) the phone is made in China and likely co-marketed by a Chinese phone manufacturing company as the Chinese government wants to move their industry up the value chain

      Oh stop. Just stop. They don't want a $99 iPhone. I don't mean Chinese people, or Slashdot users... some of them certainly do. But Apple isn't interested in that market. They don't NEED one (I wish my company's revenue dipped to barely $50 billion in one quarter). I just don't understand the logic that company A "HAS" to do something. They really don't. They make so much money now, I can't imagine why they would be interested in a higher volume, lower margin segment. Does Ferrari look at all those Toyota Camry's moving each month and say "man, where did we go wrong?"

    13. Re:New iPhones by mlts · · Score: 1

      Apple should expand their HomeKit IoT infrastructure to be farther reaching. Something that guarantees certified device "A" can communicate with device "B", as well as offer whatever functionality is wanted. Sell a hardened hub where devices communicate with that via Bluetooth, and the hub handles Internet communication. This way, individual endpoints are not exposed.

      In return, vendors would have to keep devices updated for the lifetime of the item (no thermostats or burglar alarms being orphaned after 2-3 months), and it would be very well know that their certificates will get pulled if the "security has no ROI" philosophy pops up.

      This is pretty much the only way we will see security in the IoT sector, similar to how PCI-DSS is pretty much the only real "regulation" with teeth in the financial sector, where a private company decides who gets to play in their playground, and who doesn't... no appeals possible.

    14. Re:New iPhones by rdelsambuco · · Score: 2

      Their quality has gone down over the years; just like everybody else's. Premium just ain't premium anymore, although dipshits are easy to convince that you get what you pay for.

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    15. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      Frankly at this point in time an iphone doesn't even have the number of features I have on my old samsung galaxy s3.

      Well, still no SD card slot - and since that is nothing but a half-assed pain in the butt, you can keep it. You won in features that sound great until you actually use them.

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    16. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      None of those things were popular 15 years ago, but every single one of them existed before Apple came out with a version.

      ... that didn't suck.

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    17. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They need to make their own Google Glasses, make it look like steam punk goggles and also support VR. That would be a nice product, if they want to chase concepts and take the lead.

    18. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was just ones of people, or even thousands of people, this article wouldn't exist.

    19. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      It's likely that the S8 will bore most people as much as the S7 and S6. But it's more than Samsung; it's LG, HTC, etc including a dozen nearly-nameless Chinese manufacturers you never heard of, plus also Apple.

      The chances that any particular phone is right for you, are very low. So while it's unlikely that any given person (whether he's the "average" person or a cheapskate or a "power user" or a nerd) will like the S8, it's also just as unlikely that a person will like the iPhone. And yet, all of them combined add up to nearly 1.0. Some products are total failures but most of them are seriously competing for some niche.

      It's just like the situation with Desktops. Apple sometimes has a decent Mac for sale, but if you run Linux or Windows, someone (and who that is, changes month to month) always has THE PERFECT desktop PC for you (or you can buy parts and assemble it). Apple's hardware will very rarely be it (though sometimes it will). How often is it Apple? The market says about 10% of the time. That ain't bad at all! But it's also not dominant.

      So all Apple has going for them in terms of hardwar (since it's not price, features, or the technology) is the cultiness. If they ever lose the cultiness, they will have a big problem: their mobile share will tend to approach their desktop share. That's why it's so important to have personalities like Cook coming out and defending them. You need to like the guy because the product isn't enough

      And fortunately, a lot of people have learned to accept this season's captain ever since last season's (Jobs) was written off the show. But not everyone, so there will always be drain. And one thing's for sure: almost no one ever goes to Apple (the iOS kool-aide smells pretty damn bad, so matter how respectable the hardware is some fraction of the time). The interface is one-way. So the cult is always at constant risk of shrinking.

    20. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple's big problem, I think, is the almost forced need to come out with a new phone/tablet/os/whatever EVERY YEAR. And if you do that, you have to come up with ideas/features/things that make this years different from last years, even if those aren't that well baked or change for change sake to show you did something.
      Imagine the the worlds reaction if Apple said the iPhone 7 is not coming out til its ready and doesn't come out til next spring.

    21. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm still waiting on the smart watch, TV set top box, music subscription, and TV/movie sales/rentals offerings from Apple that don't suck.

      Face it. The way Apple works, has always worked, is they take a good idea from a different company. They then polish it up to market it to the masses. During this time, they make a ton of money. Then another company comes in and does the same thing. At this point, Apple releases another great idea and moves on to that.

      Or at least, that's how it used to work when Jobs was at the helm. Now it's just "Check out this new iPhone!"

    22. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Apple Watch - a big misstep

      That's actually selling like crazy compared to the competition. Which means smartwatches and plain dumb watches.

      iPad Pro - it's a cheaper version of the Surface Pro with a mobile OS instead of a laptop OS. A misstep

      That is actually selling around ten times as well as the "original".

      For that reason, anything "enterprise" related they're just not that good; they've gotten better in recent years but Windows and Office are too universal in the enterprise setting.

      And falling. But in a universal way.

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    23. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yes, but it's a 1cm bigger screen and a whole 50 microns thinner!
      And it comes in a new color we call "premium gold!"

    24. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it was just ones of people, or even thousands of people, this article wouldn't exist.

      The article exists because it generates clicks. Not because thousands of people switch from or to iPhone from or to Android or vice versa.

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    25. Re:New iPhones by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Funny

      If it's an iPhone that allows

      - Icons in arbitrary locations on your home screen
      - Home screen replacement
      - Multiple user context (my employer doesn't completely control my device)
      - Removing stock apps from my home screen (I don't have an Apple Watch)
      - Miracast support
      - Customizable lock screen (widgets)
      - Customizable control center
      - Silencing my phone when I have a "busy" entry on my calendar
      - Wifi Analyzer
      - Tasker

      Then it would be at the most basic level of where it should be, in my opinion.

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    26. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If they're going to do new iPhones, they need one that costs $99 or less. He spends time talking about the Chinese market, but they're not going to grow in that market anytime soon unless:

      1) the phone is capable and cheap, as the market of Chinese people who can afford a $699 phone is saturated 2) the phone is made in China and likely co-marketed by a Chinese phone manufacturing company as the Chinese government wants to move their industry up the value chain

      You mean they should do everything Samsung does - well apart from tanking on the Chinese market.

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    27. Re: New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, cos we all know she'd be soooo much happier with a Samsung phone. /s

    28. Re:New iPhones by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      what's next? how bout a car? innovative enough for you?

    29. Re:New iPhones by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1

      After that, what have they got? Apple Car? They're not a car company; how the heck is this going to work?

      After that, what have they got? Apple Phone? They're not a phone company; how the heck is this going to work?
      After that, what have they got? Apple Tunes? They're not a music label; how the heck is this going to work?
      After that, what have they got? Apple Walkman? They're not a portable music player company; how the heck is this going to work?
      After that, what have they got? Apple Stores? They're not a bricks-and-mortar retailer; how the heck is this going to work?

      If there's one thing that Apple has shown that it can do--repeatedly--it's that they can break into new markets in ways that completely circumvent what the current players are doing. NOW, it remains to be seen just how much of that was due single-handedly to Jobs, but I'm well past the point where I'd be surprised if an Apple Car were a hit.

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    30. Re:New iPhones by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      As of yet Samsung haven't come out saying they "are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today".

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    31. Re:New iPhones by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      ...is it cool if I use the same the fork y'all were sticking 'em with after they released the G4 Cube?

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    32. Re:New iPhones by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The fitness platform is interesting to me. However, I'll wait for a more open system. I don't want to data to be stuck in proprietary formats, or have to buy peripherals that only work with Apple hardware.

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    33. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ooh, so insightful.

      It generates clicks because it contains information that is noteworthy and that people are interested in reading. If people weren't switching, if the iPhone market share weren't stagnating, the article wouldn't have been written. If it did not exist, it would not generate clicks.

      The fact that this needs to be explained to you is frankly pretty sad.

      The fact that you are plain wrong is highly entertaining.

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    34. Re:New iPhones by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      Frankly at this point in time an iphone doesn't even have the number of features I have on my old samsung galaxy s3.

      Well, still no SD card slot - and since that is nothing but a half-assed pain in the butt, you can keep it. You won in features that sound great until you actually use them.

      I have an SD card on my devices (tablet and phone) and their great. Storage is to limited otherwise.

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    35. Re:New iPhones by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      Are you talking about Linux or Darwin

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    36. Re:New iPhones by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      Right. Between the iPhone and the iPhone store, Apple makes 94% of the profits in the Smartphone business. Now what they really need to do is become a commodity re-seller to Chinese farm workers.

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    37. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      So their great new innovation in the pipeline is.. a new iPhone.

      Stick a fork in them.

      Yeah, how can they survive against the next Galaxy S8 - that screams innovation.

      As of yet Samsung haven't come out saying they "are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today".

      Yes, their claims are actually much weirder. E.g. their claims about the new color for the S7 are pure comedy pink gold.

      In particular, the refined, skin tone-inspired Pink Gold color scheme is intended to soothe and incorporate a touch of gentleness, radiance and sophistication to the smartphones' design."

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    38. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they worked fine. They just didn't have a massive marketing push behind them and were more feature focused than polish focused.

    39. Re:New iPhones by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      After that, what have they got? Apple Phone? They're not a phone company; how the heck is this going to work?

      Apple never really made telephones; they waited until telephones had become small computers.

      After that, what have they got? Apple Tunes? They're not a music label; how the heck is this going to work?

      Has Apple produced any music? The vast majority, if not all, of what they've done is sell downloadable computer files.

      After that, what have they got? Apple Walkman? They're not a portable music player company; how the heck is this going to work?

      Apple never made portable cassette or CD players; they waited until portable music players had become small computers.

      After that, what have they got? Apple Stores? They're not a bricks-and-mortar retailer; how the heck is this going to work?

      How are the Apple Stores generating revenue other than with sales of their computers?

    40. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's ridiculous. For years -after- the iphone came out, I still couldn't install apps to my blackberry without rebooting the device. It was terrible, except for the keyboard.

    41. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      No, they worked fine.

      Of cooooouuurse they did.

      They just didn't have a massive marketing push behind them and were more feature focused than polish focused.

      Why is it that companies spending much more on advertisement than Apple can only convince you that their products work just fine?

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    42. Re:New iPhones by sootman · · Score: 1

      > iPad Pro - it's a cheaper version of the Surface Pro
      > with a mobile OS instead of a laptop OS. A misstep

      Yeah, it's such a huge misstep that Apple only sold 25% more iPad Pros than MS sold Surfaces in the last quarter. Doooooooomed!

      http://www.geekwire.com/2016/n...

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    43. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe I would get a iPhone if and only if it had a built-in projector or if connected to a monitor I had a full OS X desktop.

    44. Re:New iPhones by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      Apple TV is far superior to any other streaming box on the market. It's really not even close.

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    45. Re:New iPhones by Rob+Y. · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And the reason for that is that Apple's profits are entirely based on hardware sales. Sure, there's iTunes, but really... If US carriers ever change the model that allows you to think you're getting a new iPhone every 2 years for just $200, Apple will take a huge hit. And it's not because their products aren't good. it's just that they've been good enough for 5 years now, and only through the operators' model of fake-subsidies on new hardware that anybody upgrades any more. I'm using a 3 year old Nexus 4 on T-Mobile, and it's basically fine for my needs. I may upgrade if a reasonable midrange device comes along that meets my needs better, but that's not going to be a $700 iPhone. But if I were stuck on Verizon, I might go for that $200 'subsidized' Galaxy 7...

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    46. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you're probably right. They can just write about anything at all, even if it's not true, and it'll be just as effective.

      The content of the article has nothing to do with it. Good call, Socrates!

    47. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many of them did, yeah.

      I mean, come on. AppleTV, the "TV set top box"? We're pretending that's either the first product in its class, or even in the top half? You're looking at history with brown-shaded glasses. And I think we all know how they became brown.

    48. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article exists because it generates clicks, and it generates clicks because people want to read what it says. Might want to get that aspberger's checked out, Captain Pedantic.

    49. Re:New iPhones by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      You couldn't install Apps on the original iPhone. Jobs pushed HTM5 Web Apps for the job.

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    50. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's already happened Rob, most US carriers have dropped subsidies.

    51. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it isn't going to last. While it has taken longer than it should the price of hardware is going down, at some point there will be a tipping point where people won't pay the difference because the subsidies are gone from the market.

      As for the app store lock-in, that is a bit of an issue, but with most apps being so cheap people will make the decsion to walk away when the price differential on the hardware becomes significant enough.

    52. Re:New iPhones by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Cook is doing his job of defending Apple.

      To be fair, I think the smartphone market is nearing saturation, and that means that the days of increasing sales year-to-year are past. So what's needed is to come up with an new, equally popular, product. That's a lot more difficult. The other problem is to keep your current customers satisfied. Someone remarked that the current phone is stuffed with apps that aren't being used (by some customers) and without sufficient memory. Those are things that could be addressed, but they wouldn't make any news. (Whether Apple intends to address them is another question.)

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    53. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, the car industry is a very different beast than what Apple (and silicon valley in general) is used to. You can't wave away all liability for problems with an EULA, the government forces you to support your product as do the courts when things go horribly wrong.

      Tesla is a very good example of this. Yes, they have gotten cars onto the market, but all they have to show for 10+ years of spending money is a handful of cars (they likely don't even reach anywhere near a fraction of 0.1% of the market) that continue to be plagued with mechanical problems.

      I like what Tesla is trying, but simply put they are going nowhere fast despite the hype.

    54. Re:New iPhones by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Cook is doing his job of defending Apple.

      Defending Cook.

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    55. Re:New iPhones by DigiAngel69 · · Score: 1

      Apple hasn't appeared to innovate in years...just different sized iDevices really...at least in the mobile market.

    56. Re:New iPhones by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Tim Cook can wear the turtleneck but can't fill the shoes. Watching Tim Cook's Apple implode is like watching an ultra slow train wreck in a huge cloud of aluminum dust and unicorn poop. Next exciting innovation will be the one-button keyboard.

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    57. Re:New iPhones by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      ...is it cool if I use the same the fork y'all were sticking 'em with after they released the G4 Cube?

      +1, Insightful. Apple is obviously on the verge of releasing the iPhone Cube.

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    58. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, there are companies in the world (in any business) spending more on advertising than Apple?

      really?

      are you sure?

      why is it that every second ad I see is an increasingly desperate plea for me to buy an Apple Watch?

    59. Re:New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm that's called an old Android phone

    60. Re:New iPhones by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Of course because you said so right? I have an Apple TV, I find nothing special about it. When it breaks I won't be buying another one.

    61. Re:New iPhones by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Apple will be the first to invent the iPhone shortly.

    62. Re:New iPhones by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You couldn't install Apps on the original iPhone. Jobs pushed HTM5 Web Apps for the job.

      IOW you didn't need to reboot your phone just to use an app, exactly like he said.

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    63. Re:New iPhones by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      They may have dropped subsidies, but I think they still hide the cost in a monthly fee that's not optional. Maybe that's changed too. Certainly T-Mobile has changed that, but I still see Verizon users with their shiny new phones every two years. I'm guessing they still think that comes 'for free' with their subscription, and if it's anything like it used to be, it is still 'free' in the sense that they pay for the new phone whether they upgrade or not.

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    64. Re:New iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Verizon and AT&T now have phone financing. It shows on your bill that you pay x per month for y years. On my VZ Wireless account, it even shows me how much the buyout is, and how much they will give me for the phone in working condition.

      They also have the hidden every two costs as well at least at Verizon, though they are making efforts to move away from that model. They actually gave me a discount off my bill every month that was more than the cost of financing, so the financing of the phone actually paid for some of my bill (which is outrageously high...)

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    65. Re:New iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I did not have that problem with the Blackberry Storm 2, perhaps you were doing something wrong?

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    66. Re:New iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Streaming box?

      So it beats the Android TVs Sony used to sell? It beats the Chromecast? It beats the Roku? It beats out the Tivo?

      Nope, not even close to any of those.

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    67. Re:New iPhones by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      Lmao. It's leagues above any of those devices. Chromecast is garbage, it doesn't even belong in this comparison. It does nothing. Roku is comically outdated. Tivo is a completely different product. "Android TV" is being discontinued.

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    68. Re:New iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So, perhaps you haven't ever used any of those products, as they all outperform the Apple TV.

      Also, the Tivo is absolutely a streaming box, it is just a streaming box that also records. All tv show listings show the streaming listings right in line with the recorded, or current listings, so how is it not a streaming box?

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    69. Re:New iPhones by wicka_wicka · · Score: 1

      I've used and owned all of them. They are all worse than the Apple TV. The difference between you and me is that I am not obviously and childishly biased against Apple.

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    70. Re:New iPhones by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      That is ok, you are obviously and childishly biased for Apple, so it all balances out. I gave my reasoning behind what I said, you just insulted me, that is the difference between a zealot, and someone who actually looks at things from a neutral standpoint. I have supported (as an IT person) all of Apple's products, and no, the Apple TV is nothing special when put up against a Tivo, or even the old Android TVs, which can still be bought, so no, not discontinued.

      https://www.android.com/tv/

      The difference is, Android made the jump from a device, to part of the tv. Most of the smart TVs are Android, you don't see Apple TV being built into TVs, do you?

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  3. Is this a joke? by mridoni · · Score: 2

    We've got great innovation in the pipeline... New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones

    Yeah, right...

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      Rumour is they've replaced Siri with a hard light hologram of Kristine Kochanski.

  4. iPod Classic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they going to give us back the iPod Classic?

    1. Re:iPod Classic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Apple. They're buying up old Zunes and rebranding them as the all new iPod. It's going to be the number one best seller this Christmas.

    2. Re:iPod Classic? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Their excuse was "we can't get the parts/drives to make them anymore". Ummm... they have hard drives on chips now. At work some of our laptops have "hard drives" that are nothing more than a chip about the size of a laptop DIMM physically with 256GB or more space.

    3. Re:iPod Classic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Apple. They're buying up old Zunes and rebranding them as the all new iPod. It's going to be the number one best seller this Christmas.

      Beware the squirting.

    4. Re:iPod Classic? by sglewis100 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seriously. Their excuse was "we can't get the parts/drives to make them anymore". Ummm... they have hard drives on chips now. At work some of our laptops have "hard drives" that are nothing more than a chip about the size of a laptop DIMM physically with 256GB or more space.

      You don't just put a new drive or new drive technology in an existing device. There's engineering and testing and all that good stuff out there. And no doubt, they looked at the size of that market and said no thanks, we'll spend our time elsewhere. I'm not saying there aren't hundreds of thousands or possibly even millions of people who would like an iPod Classic sized device with a 512GB SSD, but that's probably not a big enough market for Apple to care about. Also, while coming down, the price of a 256GB or 512GB SSD compared to an equivalent spinning disk would probably remove many of those potential buyers anyway.

    5. Re:iPod Classic? by torkus · · Score: 1

      The tech 'challenges' in getting an iPod classic to accept flash are ... uhm ... how to put it. Solved.

      They use a standard (in antiquated) interface which you can readily buy an adapter to use an SD card.

      http://www.imore.com/iflash-co...
      $60 buys you a 256GB flash drive from a dozen different retailers

      Apple just loves to artificially inflate the cost of memory in it's devices to drive up profits. They could easily make a cheap, large iPod ...but it would invalidate why they charge so much to get 128GB in an iPhone.

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    6. Re:iPod Classic? by sglewis100 · · Score: 2

      The tech 'challenges' in getting an iPod classic to accept flash are ... uhm ... how to put it. Solved.

      They use a standard (in antiquated) interface which you can readily buy an adapter to use an SD card.

      http://www.imore.com/iflash-co... $60 buys you a 256GB flash drive from a dozen different retailers

      Apple just loves to artificially inflate the cost of memory in it's devices to drive up profits. They could easily make a cheap, large iPod ...but it would invalidate why they charge so much to get 128GB in an iPhone.

      That is how YOU solve the problem of upgrading YOUR HDD designed iPod. That's really not the way a company would go about making an iPod Classic SSD edition. But hey, go for it. I'm sure iPod Classics are pretty easy to get on eBay.

      Never said it was challenging to do. I said they didn't care to bother based on the way the market is today. I'm staring at my iPod right now. It probably hasn't been plugged in to charge for months. Truth is, I'm RARELY without WiFi or Cell coverage. When I am there's usually some cached music on my phone, plus tons of downloaded Podcasts. My bluetooth headphones have a few gigs of memory for downloaded music. And eventually, I'll get off the plane and go back to having my entire library available for streaming. And even THAT is old fashioned since it seems the market is moving away from streaming YOUR library and towards subscription services such as Spotify or Apple Music.

      I know it's hard to believe, but Apple isn't going to just drop an SD card adapter into the iPod Classic manufacturing line. First of all, they'd have to spin up an iPod Classic manufacturing line. And right there is probably reason enough not to bother. It's just not worth it.

      Millions of iPod Touches and tens of millions of iPhones. 128gb and less space because streaming. That's just what they're focused on. I'm not saying guys like you don't pine for an alternative. I'm just saying guys like you aren't really where Apple is focused.

    7. Re:iPod Classic? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      " I'm sure iPod Classics are pretty easy to get on eBay. "

      If you're willing to fork over $400+....

      And Apple is slowly dying because they've forgotten to satisfy the public and instead just want to be "hip"

    8. Re:iPod Classic? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Apple's been slowly dying for many years now depending on who you ask. I hope I die that slowly. But even if they are (one "bad" quarter aside there's little evidence), it still doesn't mean there's a huge demand for iPod Classic. Even if they sell for a lot of money on eBay. That just means the extremely small base of people who want them are willing to pay a lot because of the relative sparse availability. MP3 players, especially HDD ones aren't big anymore. Ask SanDisk. Microsoft. Ask anyone.

      Be honest, if Apple produced a $300 iPod "Classic" with a 256GB SSD and an option for a $400 512GB version... would they make a $10 billion business out of that? Because if it isn't that big, there's just no chance they are interested. When they did a billion in AppleTV a few years back it was a "hobby business".

    9. Re:iPod Classic? by NJRoadfan · · Score: 1

      They could put more than 16GB of storage into the iPod Nano, but they seem unwilling to do so for some reason. They even refreshed the lineup with new colors, but left the storage capacity the same even though the price of flash memory has crashed since the product was introduced FOUR years ago.

    10. Re:iPod Classic? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. They could. They didn't. They might never. I just don't think everyone understands how little a market that is, and how unimportant it is. It's called atrophy. Phones have almost completely supplanted MP3 players. If you're looking for music playing innovation, watch the phone space. People are playing music on phones, largely by way of subscription services. That kind of leaves the non-Spotify, non-Apple Music running, non-cellular connected iPod Nano market as not an afterthought, but a non-thought. Apple doesn't care because hardly anybody else cares. Or maybe nobody else cares because Apple doesn't care. All I know is, the fact that they haven't discontinued the Nano or the Shuffle or the iPod Touch doesn't mean we should expect huge innovation in that space.

      I don't even think they have competition anymore in that space. Is anybody seriously marketing an MP3 player? I don't think it's SanDisk's main target. Microsoft left. I don't think Sony ever did much in that space. Who is the major company that cares about this market right now? Samsung discontinued their non-phone music devices. I'm embarrassed I even type this much on the subject.

    11. Re:iPod Classic? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      " I'm sure iPod Classics are pretty easy to get on eBay. "

      If you're willing to fork over $400+....

      And Apple is slowly dying because they've forgotten to satisfy the public and instead just want to be "hip"

      In a discussion where people slam Apple for not being innovative, you blame them for not increasing the storage in a device that others have declared dead almost a decade ago.

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    12. Re:iPod Classic? by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      It helped build the company, sorry if you can't pull your lips off Apple's ass long enough to breath

    13. Re:iPod Classic? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      It helped build the company

      Bwahahaha. You were one of the people who in 2000 still complained they didn't drag along the Apple for yet another decade, right? What a Luddite.

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    14. Re:iPod Classic? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Also, while coming down, the price of a 256GB or 512GB SSD compared to an equivalent spinning disk would probably remove many of those potential buyers anyway.

      I remember when the transition point for 4GB drives was crossed and that wasn't recently. I'm sure it's closer than you think now. Actually I'm going to check! ... checks ...

      HOLY SHIT YOU CAN GET 256g SD CARDS!!!

      That is incredible (and they go bigger). I'm completely astonished that's possible. The cheapest I can find is about 30 quid. So, stacking 2 would give you 512G for 60 quid. My 512G Samsung SATAIII SSD (much faster) only cost a bit over 100.

      Compared to the 1.8" HDD in the classic, I can find a 100G one for 60 quid and a 160G one for about 75. 1.8" is a relatively rare formfactor. For 2.5", you can get a 500G one for about 30 quid, probably less.

      Those are of course retail prices. However the overhead is worse for smaller (physically) and smaller (capacity) drives. My guess would be that at 256G and below, flash wins hands down, no contest. At 512G, I expect that for a 1.8" drive the competition would be very fierce and spinning disks would lose soon. The writing is on the wall so when you combine power draw, capacity and speed, flash has already won and no one makes those drives any more.

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  5. They need a new mac pro tower and better laptops by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    They need a new mac pro tower (the new one sucks and they are at risk of losing a big part of the creative market) and better laptops (stop going for thin)

  6. I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    Put up or shut up!

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    1. Re: I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline

      At least no small, furry mammals were harmed.

    2. Re:I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Put up or shut up!

      He's about to put an exciting new product up that pipeline, so brace yourself and try to relax.

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    3. Re: I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      At least no small, furry mammals were harmed.

      I'm willing to bet that Apple is built on the bones of many small furry mammals.

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    4. Re: I'm tired of Tim Cook teasing my pipeline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you think they get the iPhone so white? Polished small animal bones.

  7. Flatter iPad? iPhone? MacBook Air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or will they resurrect the Jobs? (Captcha: skeletal)

  8. Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Apple's hardware is underpowered. The OS software is so oversimplified that it's hard to use. There aren't many useful applications unless you're doing audio or video editing. Apple hasn't innovated in ten years. The Apple Watch was a mistake that tried to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Apple products are incredibly expensive but wouldn't even be worth the cost of a typical Android or Windows product. Even previously successful products like iTunes are now unmitigated disasters.

    Can anyone explain to me why anyone would use Apple products? I suspect I'll be modded down to -1 so people can pretend my post doesn't exist and not answer the tough questions.

    1. Re: Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not Google. That's all the reason I need.

    2. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can anyone explain to me why anyone would use Apple products? I suspect I'll be modded down to -1 so people can pretend my post doesn't exist and not answer the tough questions.

      I have an iPad, an iPod touch, mac book pro and iMac at home. (However my day job involves an awful lot of Microsoft based products and systems)

      I find for the systems I have that "they just work" , no need to fiddle with them to get something working that should have been there out of the box. Yes they have their own quirks as to how things are done. Yes they keep changing things ahead of the curve (EG loss of floppy). Yes they annoy this shit out of me at times ( as does MS and linux systems I have used) . In the end I tend to agree that OS X is what linux on the desktop *should* be.

      BTW the Apple tax is an old chestnut that has been discounted many times. I'll willing to bet that if you try and configure *any* laptop to meet the same specs as an Apple system you will end up at the same or greater price - and by that I mean all specs including weight and volume. (however don't mention the premium they put on additional memory for drive space :P)

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    3. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The problem with Apple is you can't get a device speced for what you need. I Still don't need a glowing keyboard, or a high resolution video camera.
      I would love a system with the general specs of a Mac mini, but cheaper that is bigger and fatter.

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    4. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a disclaimer I have an Android phone, have owned two iPads (one is still used by my wife), but own a Surface Pro 4 now. My last laptop was a Macbook Pro with Windows installed, but now I have a Lenovo. I am certainly not an Apple fanboy but still feel they offer great products.

      Apple's hardware is underpowered.

      This is rarely true. Because there is only one manufacturer of Apple devices and they only refresh them about once a year, there are usually more powerful Android / Windows devices on the market for most of the year. But you rarely have to wait more than 6-9 months for Apple to catch up. Apple also tends to wait for the bugs in newer drivers to be solved, which as an owner of a Surface Pro 4 I can tell you is not how Microsoft handled their device launch. It took about 5 months before my Surface Pro 4 drivers started functioning properly all of the time.

      The OS software is so oversimplified that it's hard to use.

      This is probably only because you are a power user. I also sometimes find OSX difficult to use, but not for 95% of my usage. Only when I am trying to customize my experience do I run into problems, and I assume the primary reason is I am used to other OSes.

      There aren't many useful applications unless you're doing audio or video editing

      I would agree that Apple doesn't really have a killer app on the desktop, but in the iOS world they are clearly #1 in applications. You may not find those applications useful, but the majority of consumers disagree with you.

      Apple hasn't innovated in ten years.

      That is nonsense. It still takes innovation to incrementally improve products. You don't have to reinvent an industry to be innovative. I may agree that Apple hasn't innovated much in the last 2-3 years, but certainly not 10.

      The Apple Watch was a mistake that tried to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

      Agreed.

      Apple products are incredibly expensive but wouldn't even be worth the cost of a typical Android or Windows product.

      The apple tax is mostly a myth, and at best comes to $50 on many devices. For instance the iPhone 6+ cost $50 more than my Note 4 when I purchased it two years ago. Apple also tends to only build devices with top of the line hardware, so they are more expensive that the vast majority of other devices. But when compared to Android / Windows devices with similar specs the prices are very similar.

      Can anyone explain to me why anyone would use Apple products?

      Overall I don't use Apple products because I don't think there is enough variation of products, and I generally feel a more open marketplace creates better products in the long run. For at least 5-6 years I have felt Android phones were superior primarily because I had more options to choose from. If I had to choose between Samsung and Apple I probably would have chosen Apple until 4 years ago, but I never had to make that choice since I also had Motorola / HTC / etc to choose from. Same thing with other Apple devices. For a short time I felt the Macbook Pro 17" laptop was the best on the market, so that is what I bought, but I don't think that has been true for a while.

      But regardless of my complaints about options from Apple, they still make great devices. Its just not for me.

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    5. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Or you know the ability to get a current model video card with out the added Mac Tax (and yes in that area there is a HUGE fucking markup for a mac compatible video card and your still a generation or 3 behind)

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    6. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      There is a slight premium (tax) still, but nothing major unless you need to install Windows.

      For me, I see our company Macs as being more reliable both in terms of hardware and operating system than the Dell/Windows workstations (high end machines). Macs don't have the profile/registry corruption issues that seem to cause more IT overhead. Doing a remote pull backup on a Mac is trivial (and free).

    7. Re: Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My daughter has a Mac, iPad, and iPhone. Of course if you stick with the monopoly, it works together, but none of it just works. When it stops working, we have to go to the genius bar. Unfixable by ourselves. And those annoying things about Apple products is part of what makes it not just work. Seriously, Linux is what Apple should be on the desktop. They just lack Apple's kool aide.

    8. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I personally have always preferred Windows Phone. Microsoft gets no credit for having - by far - the fastest and most innovative interface. I persisted in using Android for years for personal use, for the apps of course. My addiction to one night stands means I've got to have a mainstream OS so I can use Tinder et al.

      But Android phones are just too unreliable. Too slow. So, I gave up and at the end of the year got a Lumia 950 for my business and iphone 6s.

      The iOS operating system has no features really, and the sea of icons is extraordinarily cumbersome. But, it doesn't lag like Android, and it more or less works all the time within its limitations. And let's not forget Android has the most security problems and is effectively spyware for google.

      Hopefully in time, developers will see that Windows 10 is the superior OS for phones, but it seems like a rough road ahead for Microsoft.

      These are strange days when it comes to phone tech.

    9. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Assuming you're sincere, there's a few reasons.
      While with the newer generation of Androids this might not hold true, but I bought an iPhone 5 some years back because:

      1. The iPhone5 camera is far superior to an S4 or previous. No contest.
      2. The phone is simply responsive and reliable. No hangs or freezes. It's quick. Neither my Nexic 7 nor S1 could make that claim. It's there when I need it, since it is above all else, a phone. My old S1 wigged out too much to be trusted. Good thing my car never broke down when that was my phone. (Granted, that's a long time ago) I have an S4 now for work, and it's better in that regard, but still flaky, IMO.
      3. I bought an iPhone so as to familiarize myself with at least one Apple product, just to broaden my technical scope
      4. Some apps are only available for IOS.
      5. Simple, solid interface.

      iPhone Downsides:
      1. No SD card slot .. still.
      2. Ridiculous price difference in upgrading from 16GB to 32 or 64. Heck, 32GB isn't even available anymore, and that's the sweet spot!
      3. No easily replaceable battery.. (I just did it last month, it was a minor nightmare) But even the Samsungs are doing that now, so that's a wash.

      I'm due for a new phone though, and I'm still considering an iPhone6. I'm not that crazy about Samsung's UI, and never looked that deep at an HTC, LG, or Droid.
      I might switch though, as I'm not a fanboi or hater of either product.

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    10. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a zealot, and cannot see beyond your beloved brand. If you think OSX is what linux should be, UNIX isn't for you. Stick to your dumbed-down windows lite OS.

      As for Apple tax: spare us the lies. Go and look at a replacement video card for example. What do you say now?

    11. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they just work"

      bullshit.

    12. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An apple fanboy trying desperately to sound impartial!

      You've got way too much time dude.

    13. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "The OS software is so oversimplified that it's hard to use."
      Your nuts. I develop on Windows for a living but my Mac is a piece of cake to use. The OS is Unix under the GUI so you can do just about anything you want with the command line.
      " There aren't many useful applications unless you're doing audio or video editing."
      Really?

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    14. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Unlocked Xiaomi phones (@aliexpress) are pretty interesting for their price points ~$400 Xiaomi's compare favorably to major manufacturers $600-$700 flagship devices, and ~$200 matches up to the majors $350-$400 offerings.

    15. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple's hardware is underpowered.

      This is rarely true. . .

      I find it is true for high-end users; however, most consumers buying computers these days rarely need a lot of power. Realistically a tablet to surf the web and emails is all the power they need. Gamers and creative professionals are a different breed.

      The OS software is so oversimplified that it's hard to use.

      This is probably only because you are a power user.

      I hear this a lot and normally it comes from people who don't really use OS X at all. They don't know that Terminal exists. I use it 90% of the time to manage Linux boxes. I've only used AppleScript a few times to do things but it very powerful.

      Also I don't know if that person has seen Metro. Yes, OS X is somewhat minimalist but it's also streamlined. The travesty that is Metro leaves much to be desired. Some Linux distros are very minimalist and some are not.

      The Apple Watch was a mistake that tried to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

      Agreed.

      Not so much a problem but I don't think the hardware is quite there. What would be nice is to replace the smart phone with a watch. However like flying cars, it's not remotely practical due to things like the limited UI, battery, etc. As a 1st generation, we can hope it gets better as 1st gen smart phones pale in comparison to today's models.

      Apple products are incredibly expensive but wouldn't even be worth the cost of a typical Android or Windows product.

      The apple tax is mostly a myth, and at best comes to $50 on many devices. . .

      Agreed. The word used was "typical". That's like saying a Mercedes Benz is expensive compared to a "typical" Ford. Many consumer computers are designed to be cheap but they also suffer from low build quality.

      Can anyone explain to me why anyone would use Apple products?

      Overall I don't use Apple products because I don't think there is enough variation of products.

      For me, it's about quality vs price. If all you care about price, you get what you pay for. My MacBook has lasted 10 years and is still going although it is now quite outdated. I don't think any PC laptop every lasted more than 3 years for me. So even at 3X the price, it paid for itself.

      The other thing is that I want to administer as little as possible at home. I have a PC, Linux box, and Mac at home. By far the Mac required the least to maintain.

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    16. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      The higher-end iMac 27" With Retina 5K is good value. The screen alone from another brand in those specs will cost you over 2/3rd of the price of the iMac and be less handsome. And for what's left of the money, you get a really smooth high-end computer.

    17. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by SMOKEING · · Score: 1

      I have an iPad, an iPod touch, mac book pro and iMac at home. (However my day job involves an awful lot of Microsoft based products and systems)

      The part in parentheses goes a long way explaining why you have bought so much into Apple.

    18. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Sparowl · · Score: 1

      For me, it's about quality vs price. If all you care about price, you get what you pay for. My MacBook has lasted 10 years and is still going although it is now quite outdated. I don't think any PC laptop every lasted more than 3 years for me. So even at 3X the price, it paid for itself.

      Agreed. I only recently got a new Macbook pro when my last one started having trouble running certain programs. I had to check to see when I purchased it, and was surprised that it had lasted me eight years.

      It's like a good pair of shoes - if you pay for quality, they'll last and probably save you money in the long run. However, if you try to skimp out, then don't be surprised when you have to replace something early and often.

    19. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree that Apple doesn't really have a killer app on the desktop.

      Sure they do. Terminal.app!

    20. Re: Why would anyone use Apple products? by KGIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try not to laugh but, and it pains me to admit this, I am really enjoying my time with a Windows phone. I haven't upgraded it to Windows Phone 10 yet but I guess I can and it's supposed to work just fine. I'm a pretty happy Linux user but I gotta be honest and say that this Windows phone isn't bad at all. It's actually good. The specs make one think it's slow or whatnot but it isn't. Contrary to popular opinion, there's a number of apps for it - there just aren't 803 versions of Candy Crush and 9254 versions of a flashlight. The apps are all fine and I'm not seeing any compelling reason to swap back to Android.

      I did pre-order an Ubuntu tablet. I did not order the phone. If the tablet is any good and the reviews of the phone indicate that it is worth it then I'll order a phone. It's hard telling. Maybe... I really am pretty happy with my Windows-based phone. It's snappy and responsive. It does everything that I want it to do - I am, literally, not missing any features that I'd get with any other phone. I'm sure there might be a few apps that it doesn't have, for example, but I'm not missing them.

      Get this... I'm not even being paid (or coerced) into making this post. It's all good that you pick what you pick but there are other options besides Google and Apple. They range from Ubuntu to Microsoft to a few custom things - and BlackBerry still has their own OS going on. So, there are options.

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    21. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by ranton · · Score: 1

      For me, it's about quality vs price. If all you care about price, you get what you pay for. My MacBook has lasted 10 years and is still going although it is now quite outdated. I don't think any PC laptop every lasted more than 3 years for me. So even at 3X the price, it paid for itself.

      I'm a bit different of a customer since I refresh my equipment far more frequently. My MacBook Pro didn't even last three years since it didn't have an SSD, and those only became common about a year after I bought mine. Although admittedly SSDs are one of the few upgrades over the past decade which significantly affects the user experience. I don't really care if my electronic devices last more than three years, and even over two years is merely a luxury.

      In my case I use my laptop for work, and in that case price is hardly a factor at all. I'm not going to waste money on a fancy video card or anything, but even with a two year refresh cycle a $2500 laptop is well under 1% of my salary. Any equipment I use for about half my working hours will be purchased based on features and capabilities, not a few hundred dollars of price difference.

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    22. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Gussington · · Score: 1

      I'll willing to bet that if you try and configure *any* laptop to meet the same specs as an Apple system you will end up at the same or greater price

      What about if you try to spec an Apple laptop with only the things you want?

    23. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Assuming you're sincere, there's a few reasons. While with the newer generation of Androids this might not hold true, but I bought an iPhone 5 some years back because:

      Times have changed. The iPhone 5 was probably the cutover point when Apple lost the lead.
      The wife has a iPhone 5 and she has issues just like everyone else (fucking lightning cables are ridiculously crap).
      The difference for me is I hate being forced to do things I don't want, so the Apple ecosystem shits me. Like the un-configurable home screen or keyboard, the inability to replace a battery (I use my phone a bit and keep them for a while, so easily replaceable battery is a requirement), or inability for drag and drop storage.
      Lots of little things that say "don't do it your way, we know better than you." that are deal breakers.
      The Galaxy S7 does more and costs less. I have the Note 3 (2.5 years old now) and still goes well. I use the stylus, so it's funny after years of Apple taking the piss, they finally copy the idea.

    24. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      I'll willing to bet that if you try and configure *any* laptop to meet the same specs as an Apple system you will end up at the same or greater price - and by that I mean all specs including weight and volume

      Ok, and try and configure an Apple system to meet the same specs as most laptops - and you will end up with Apple system twice as expensive as the reference laptops.

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    25. Re:Why would anyone use Apple products? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      In the end I tend to agree that OS X is what linux on the desktop *should* be.

      Please no.

      Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, well meaning people thought Windows 9x then XP was where Linux on the deskotp "should" be. Then people changed to thinking OSX was where it "should" be.

      It shouldn't.

      Linux isn't Apple or Microsoft. If it tries to be those then it will never be more than a crappy knockoff of either, because the companies that produce those are different from the community that produces Linux. None of them has the management structure, culture or philosophy to produce what the others respectively can. What Linux can be however is excellent in its own right. And it is.

      I don't use Linux because I can't afford a Mac or Windows (I have no less than two Windows VMs for various reasons and the laptop I have was rather expensive when new if a little heavy). I use Linux because I think it is a better UI than the alternatives.

      Linux is unlikely to ever "win" on the desktop (whatever that means), however it will still appeal to tens of millions of people worldwide which in any measure is a huge success. If however, people keep trying to turn it into a cheap knockoff of other produces then it will lose out since it will be worse than the others without ever being good in its own right.

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  9. Do you remember by Rhaize · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you remember when instead of telling us that the next trick will be impressive, They would just do the next trick and let us be amazed? If you need an applause sign, you've officially failed. Just sayin,

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    1. Re:Do you remember by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It was always mostly showmanship from Jobs. The "revolutionary" new features were rarely very revolutionary, and in fact they often suffered from being launched early to beat the competition by six months.

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    2. Re:Do you remember by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Do you remember when instead of telling us that the next trick will be impressive, They would just do the next trick and let us be amazed? If you need an applause sign, you've officially failed. Just sayin,

      Well, yes, instead of relying to the interview question: "Why shouldn't we just dump our AAPL stock now?" Cook should have just fired up the Apple Time Machine and retrieved a new product from the future that isn't quite ready yet in our present.

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    3. Re:Do you remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please Clap

    4. Re:Do you remember by sootman · · Score: 1

      That is still their preferred way of working, but they have to say SOMETHING to the slack-jawed moron investors who are somehow surprised that a company can't just grow forever. "What do you *mean* +10%/year is not sustainable forever?!?!?!!!!1111"

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  10. New iPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they're going to do new iPhones, they need one that costs $99 or less. He spends time talking about the Chinese market, but they're not going to grow in that market anytime soon unless:

    1) the phone is capable and cheap, as the market of Chinese people who can afford a $699 phone is saturated
    2) the phone is made in China and likely co-marketed by a Chinese phone manufacturing company as the Chinese government wants to move their industry up the value chain

    Those two things will be really hard for Apple to do. Outside of that:

    Apple Watch - a big misstep
    iPad Pro - it's a cheaper version of the Surface Pro with a mobile OS instead of a laptop OS. A misstep
    For that reason, anything "enterprise" related they're just not that good; they've gotten better in recent years but Windows and Office are too universal in the enterprise setting.
    MacBook Air - this is a pretty good product
    iPad Air - eh, good product but the tablet market is starting to wind down or be saturated so the growth isn't there

    After that, what have they got? Apple Car? They're not a car company; how the heck is this going to work? I'm not a Tesla fan but Tesla's way ahead of them on advanced modern cars, and GM, Ford, Toyota, and Honda are still churning out millions of cars; I don't see how Apple actually launches this successfully unless it's some Apple developed tech that is licensed to a real car manufacturer. Besies, Apple is in the business of high-margin hardware; in cars margins are slim on the hardware and all the money is made on financing to the consumer. This would be a very strange business for Apple to get in to.

    Apple Home Automation? Maybe, but I doubt it. As much as Nest is making missteps these days by force-bricking their old products, they're still way ahead of Apple and have Google's backing and there are plenty of other guys out there in this space.

    The only one i see is some form of consumer healthcare product to make the Apple Watch a health sensor platform integrated with other Apple products, but the drop in FitBit's sales and stock show that step counters won't cut it; it needs to be something a doctor can act on and that means getting loads of doctors and research behind the use of something as well as getting FDA approval. That's hard and expensive, but something Apple likely has the resources to tackle. To me that's the best shot at a big growth area and fits their customer base who are generally hipster quantified selfers who would love to brag and share how healthy they are via iMessenger.

  11. Only $50.6 billion this quarter ? by kjshark · · Score: 1

    I spit on your meager earnings. Apple, you are going down !

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    1. Re:Only $50.6 billion this quarter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You laugh, but Wall Street is a fickle mistress...

  12. Let me guess.... by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    They are going to come out with a VR headset. Barf. Bring back Jobs!

  13. i can't wait! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

    the word on the streets is that they integrated the iWatch functionality into the next iPhone. this way you can see what time it is without an iWatch!

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    1. Re:i can't wait! by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      Don't be stupid. Apple would never obsolete their own product.

  14. TOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mVHFRNU3q_k

  15. Why the fuck did I buy this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a more common question than "How could I live without this?"

  16. Innovation doesn't mean what you think it does Tim by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Innovation is not making something slightly thinner or lighter or faster or missing a port or with a better screen.

  17. sounds awesome, Tim! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today

    I can't wait to buy your competitor's version for half the price!

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    1. Re:sounds awesome, Tim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given how Apple operates, you can probably already buy it. Whatever it is.

    2. Re:sounds awesome, Tim! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today

      I can't wait to buy your competitor's version for half the price!

      Apple couldn't care less. No really, they don't give a fuck about what you do.

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    3. Re:sounds awesome, Tim! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today

      Heroin

  18. innovation? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    is "innovation" the new codeword for copying Google's self-driving car? or perhaps does it mean churning out yet another iteration of the same product every 18 months?

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    1. Re:innovation? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      is "innovation" the new codeword for copying Google's self-driving car?

      Yeah, because there were no self driving cars before Google "innovated" them. Watta fanboi.

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  19. "Exciting" new products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aka more planned obsolescence useless garbage they will peddle as an absolute necessity and the latest fashion trend for hipsters. Almost all Apple products without fail are overpriced garbage nobody needs. For every such product there are alternatives that are better, cheaper, and do not lock you inside a deliberately hostile environment in which Apple decides what you can do with the device you purchased. Thanks but no thanks. I'm glad to see that Tim "Queer" Cook is running this whole scheme into the ground. They will fade into obscurity along with Microsoft soon and good riddance.

    Basically Apple products are for people who make emotional, impulse-drive purchases. If you spend more than ten seconds thinking about your actual needs and make a simple analysis of costs and utility, you will never even look at Apple products. They're poor, severely overpriced (we're talking 200-300% more expensive than comparable products), and mostly useless.

  20. No Mr Fusion? Not interested. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    the new iPhone is going to be 17% more iPhone!
    iPhone!
    Because you don't want to look like some sort of peasant, do you?

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  21. Incentivizing people to upgrade by DrXym · · Score: 1

    "New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones. We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today. That has always been the objective of Apple is to do things that really enrich people's lives. That you look back on and you wonder, how did I live without this."

    Or more accurately, they'll continue to build phones with built-in obsolescence, and increase the amount of Apple lock-in to ensure you can't leave their ecosystem without losing all your content.

    1. Re:Incentivizing people to upgrade by Teckla · · Score: 1

      Or more accurately, they'll continue to build phones with built-in obsolescence

      You're talking about iPhones having built-in obsolescence?!

      My iPhone 5s (and iPad 2!) are still getting OS updates. My friend's Android phones? Not so much...

  22. The Apple Cycle by bretts · · Score: 1, Insightful

    1. Invent marketing-changing product (Apple II, Macintosh, iPhone)
    2. Be unable to demonstrate wider relevance
    3. Watch as competitors zoom by
    4. Repeat

    1. Re:The Apple Cycle by kiviQr · · Score: 1

      Forgot: 0. Hire Steve Jobs

    2. Re:The Apple Cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot -1: Hire Steve Wozniak

  23. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    and better laptops (stop going for thin)

    Specifically fundamental parts being serviceable! RAM, M.2 SSD, and the battery should be replaceable post warranty expiration; especially for the high cost of the laptop in the first place.

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  24. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by MoleStrangler · · Score: 1

    Cook will never go back to the tower MacPro.

    The new MacPro (arrgh!) is smaller and lighter to ship, that means more profit for Apple. I still have my old MacPro (2006), built like a tank and still does it's job. Even though its stuck on an old release of OS X

    Cook is an operations guy (and a very good one) but not CEO material. He's been riding the Apple wave for many years now, now its going to start to unwind for him. Hopefully is only has a few more years before he gets the boot!

  25. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

    What do you see as missing in the MacbookPro?

    They do need a way to keep their headless offerings much more current, despite the smaller volumes in that segment.

  26. Re:Innovation doesn't mean what you think it does by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Or a newer, more expensive charging/synching cable

  27. Re:Innovation doesn't mean what you think it does by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

    Innovation is not making something slightly thinner or lighter or faster or missing a port or with a better screen.

    It is if you charge enough for it.

  28. Apple's new slogan by Pollux · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today.

    Apple's new slogan: "We give you solutions in need of problems."

    1. Re:Apple's new slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You laugh, but that has always been their business model when they were at their best. People (and small businesses) didn't know they needed a home computer when the Apple II came out, didn't know they needed an MP3 player when the iPod came out, and didn't know they needed a smartphone when the iPhone came out. Of course, they don't really need those things in the hunter-gatherer sense, but Apple sure makes it seem like it.

      Without Steve Jobs they probably won't be able to do that anymore. Even if another person with his talents comes along, he's not going to work for Apple, he'll start his own company.

  29. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know you can install a small bootloader that allows you to install newer versions of osx?!!

  30. How did I ever live... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    ... without this colorful florolastomer watch band?

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  31. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bingo. The canister Mac should be marketed as a desktop machine, and the Mac Pro tower brought back. The main reason is that the tower has a niche which few can fill. I've seen Mac Pros used for development and Q&A for a lot of Verilog/VHDL stuff, and this can't really be placed on a PCIe/Thunderbolt breakout board.

    Plus, a flagship machine with just a SSD as its only internal storage? Apple at least needs to offer the facility to have a SSD, 2-3 internal HDDs, or even multiple M.2 slots. Higher end PC motherboards already have multiple M.2 slots. It would be nice if Apple could make an upgradable machine, even if it did cost as much as the old Mac II models.

    Apple should consider changing their tack. There is a recession looming ahead, part due to the election (as the economy tends to tank around that time), and the fact that there is a global economic slump. Even though people say Apple is recession proof, people said the exact same thing about Sony in the early 2000s before the iPod. Apple might consider doing razor/blade marketing and selling upgradable computers. An upgrade like a hardware accelerator card for a desktop may not be as profitable as a new desktop computer, but it is better than nothing. Apple made it through 2008 because they had a product that people wanted, and opened up a new market. Unless they come with something genre-making, they are going to face a world of hurt come the upcoming recession.

  32. Catstriohic repairability by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Don't under-estimate the absolutely catastrophic repairability of iPhone.

    Yes, "we've reached Peak iPhone", in the sense that most people are happy with their current phone and don't need to exchange it with one with more features. The market is saturated, nearly every customer who would like to buy an Apple smartphone has already done so...

    BUT

    The modern smartphones arent the old non-smart phones of before. Those back then were durable to the point of being nearly indestructible, and weren't that hard to repair either. The only reason someone would ever have to buy a new phone would be if the newer had features that the previous didn't, and those features are becoming absolutely needed (e.g.: emergence of smartphones, apps, online services, etc. - phones becoming slowly pocket computers).

    Nearly all modern smartphones are very fragile - they'll break very easily - and are a pain to repair.
    (e.g: In the name of making even thinner devices and shinier metallic surfaces, they'll bend easily and crack.
    replacing screen is a real pain where you basically need to re-assemble all the innards over the new screen, and using a heat gun to melt glue is as frequent as unscrewing screws was before. Don't forget to bring a soldering iron if you have the boldness to try replacing the battery.)

    The main reason someone will buy a new smartphone is because the previous one is broken/needs a new battery, and the whole procedure costs nearly as much as getting a new smartphone.

    So yes, indeed, bringing a new iPhone is the best idea Apple could have to fight "peak iPhone".
    Not because the iPhone 7 would be much better than the iPhone 6 to the point that people will need a new one.
    But because all the iPhone 5 and 4 will fail any time soon, and it will be cheaper to buy a new one than trying to repair them.

    The catastrophic repairability of iPhone is their best feature for Apple: mean that they'll keep selling new phones to replace the broken ones.
    They won't sell them anymore at the same speed as back when they were entering new markets.
    But there's going to be a steady need for Apple to keep producing phones to replace the regularly failing ones.

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    1. Re:Catstriohic repairability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nearly all modern smartphones are very fragile - they'll break very easily - and are a pain to repair. (e.g: In the name of making even thinner devices and shinier metallic surfaces, they'll bend easily and crack

      Exactly why my iPhone is in an Otterbox defender. I've forgotten what it really looks like. On another note, Apple's lack of storage expansion or replacable battery are two "innovations" designed only to make sure you upgrade to a new phone later.

    2. Re:Catstriohic repairability by rdelsambuco · · Score: 1

      It almost sounds like you're criticizing Capitalism, itself.

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    3. Re:Catstriohic repairability by torkus · · Score: 1

      I think your assumptions are far, far off. Broken devices being replaced are a small minority...and there's plenty of repair places to handle them as well.

      A $20 case will prevent the large majority of broken phones.

      If Apple wants to continue selling so many iPhones, they need to have a new feature that's useful...not just a revision number and slightly changed specs.

      Hell, side by side comparison of the camera from my Note 5 and iPhone 6s in 'difficult' settings like concerts, clubs, and other darker places put the Note 5 far, FAR ahead. Beyond that I have chrome, google maps, email contacts and calendar on them all. Minor differences but really...minor differences.

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    4. Re:Catstriohic repairability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your assertion doesn't match my data collection. Most of my coworkers who replaced a phone in the last year did so because it got broken. Maybe in your rich little corner of the world people are buying new shit to show off that they're buying new shit, but here where people actually work for a living, they're replacing shit that was designed to fail.

    5. Re:Catstriohic repairability by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Nearly all modern smartphones are very fragile - they'll break very easily - and are a pain to repair.

      True, but there are exceptions. Ever seen the Moto X Force? It can withstand some crazy shit, such as a 275 meter drop.

    6. Re:Catstriohic repairability by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      ... or they need to address the midrange market better. That's the only place they're gonna find significant growth. So far, they're still pitching a 'luxury' brand, and the status-seekers already upgrade reliably to each new model. But that's not a growth market. Their latest attempt at midrange isn't so bad - it's just not cheap enough to get much of the midrange market, and it's just cheap enough to turn off the 'apple makes me cool' set.

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  33. Wait for us, we're the leader! by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2
    It is beginning to look as if Apple's success was due more to the luck of being in the right place at the right time with the right products than to any future-seeing innovative prowess.

    .
    More and more lately, Apple is beginning to sound like Microsoft did ten years ago, "wait for us, we're the leader."

    Unfortunately for Apple, unlike future-seeing innovative prowess, luck is not reproducible at will.

    1. Re:Wait for us, we're the leader! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you never heard of the Jobs Reality Distortion Field? That was Apple's primary product.

    2. Re:Wait for us, we're the leader! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Jobs chose the good timing to die, just as they'd run out of one-trick ponies in their stable.

    3. Re:Wait for us, we're the leader! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is beginning to look as if Apple's success was due more to the luck of being in the right place at the right time with the right products than to any future-seeing innovative prowess.

      .

      More and more lately, Apple is beginning to sound like Microsoft did ten years ago, "wait for us, we're the leader."

      Unfortunately for Apple, unlike future-seeing innovative prowess, luck is not reproducible at will.

      Anybody could have told you that. Ipod wasn't the first mp3 player and it wasn't even close to the best. Itunes wasn't the first mp3 store. Iphone wasn't the first smart phone, it was the best at the time it came out. Ipad wasn't the first tablet.

      What they had was marketing (not luck) it was cool to have an apple product.

      There is NOTHING you can do on an apple computer or phone that can't be done better on a PC or Android. But I need to look cool or I actually believe that graphics editing is better or I believe that Retina display actually means something etc.

    4. Re:Wait for us, we're the leader! by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Have you never heard of the Jobs Reality Distortion Field? That was Apple's primary product.

      Oddly enough, the only people still under it (and since long before his death) are the Apple haters.

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  34. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly, Apple is "beleaguered" and will soon file for bankruptcy.

    [end sarcasm]

  35. We know what the next innovation is. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
    We all know it is going to be iCar. It will be shaped like a rounded rectangle. It will be incompatible with the current traffic signals. You see, at present the traffic light simply radiates in the visible spectrum in one of three frequencies. Couple of organic sensors mounted called eyes (not iS, that is copyrighted by Apple) on an organic body (usually a Homo sapien sapien) detect the frequency and takes appropriate action. The iCar will not have a transparent windshield, because glass windshields are so 20th century. It will feature a beautiful brushed aluminum body all around, not marred by stupid things like windows and windshields. So the visible light can not be detected inside the car. So all the traffic lights must be upgraded to a bluetooth interface broadcasting the stop, go, caution information and the iCar will detect it and display in a very tiny but very cute display inside the car.

    Innovation, to the nth degree! Man, it is going to rock the world.

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    1. Re:We know what the next innovation is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't know how much you needed those windows to disappear until they do.

      Imagine being able to get in your iCar at your beautiful home and having it drive you to your beautiful work campus without seeing all the poverty, infrastructure decay and street beggars along the way?

      It's going to enhance your life

    2. Re:We know what the next innovation is. by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      The big problem with iCar is that obeying the Holy Jobs design rules there will be no holes in the bodyshell large enough for people to get in and out. The solution (so to speak) to this will be the iChipper(tm) with a flexible hose and a unique patented nozzle coupling in the side of the iCar. It will require an up-to-date version of iTunes to get back out of iCar.

    3. Re:We know what the next innovation is. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It is never going to be iCar. That's one of those ideas that people due to faulty conclusions based on rumors. It was strongest a few years ago when it was confirmed that Apple engineers met with Elon Musk. At the time, I thought that Apple was most likely working on car interfaces rather than a car. Very shortly Apple announced CarPlay.

      Well, think about it: Elon Musk would meet with Apple so they can create their own car? Not likely. But he would talk to them about car interfaces for their iOS devices.

      Unlike an iPhone, Apple has very little experience with mechanical things. They've spent the better part of this century removing as many of them in their computers. Yet somehow they are going to parlay their lack of knowledge that into an automobile?

      With an iPhone, they had experience with small devices. They had experience with computers. They built up a logistics supply chain for electronics. So making a phone was a huge step but well within their capability. They done nothing logistically with tires, plastics, and large-scale metal working.

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  36. enterprise needs don't mix with apple thin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    In some enterprise settings they need to be able to remove storage before sending a system in for warranty work. Dell, HP, others even let you destroy HDD's that fail.

    Ethernet is needed in some settings and no one port changing / usb only does not really cut it.

    OS downgrades are needed as well even if just temporary and I'm not talking about backing out updates.

    MAC OS X SERVER that can run in a VM in ANY BASE HARDWARE. Is also needed can be done now but not legally or at least have a real rack mounted server with dual power hot swap, 3-4 HDD/ssd hot swap bays. 2-4 nics 1G or 10G at least 2 pci-e slots X16 At least at X8 speeds.

  37. Classic "cash cow running dry" syndrome by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple has made mountains of cash selling iDevices for years now, and will continue to do so. They will also take a cut of all music, entertainment and apps people purchase on these devices. I'm not worried about them disappearing like they were about to in the mid 90s. What they may end up becoming is an IBM. IBM has guaranteed revenue streams from its mainframe business, which are basically safe until people don't need to bank, book airline tickets or consume vital government services. IBM has been able to survive every single attempt by their board of destroying the company. They've sold off most of their hardware production, moved most of the services jobs offshore, and they're still alive.

    If Apple does come out with a self-driving car after all this, the pundits will be eating their words if they're able to hit that consumer sweet spot with it. Their products are shiny and nice, and work fine in the hands on non-technical users. I expect an Apple car to have the same level of "UX safety" while being super-complex under the hood. They're just facing a mature market for smartphones - even poor people have them and there's no reason to replace them every single contract cycle. Intel has the same problem and is scrambling to find the next big thing, even though it's clear people still need PCs and servers (but not to the same degree.)

    I'd like to see Apple return to making at least a couple of laptops and workstations that are professional-focused and don't just look pretty. Having no way to expand memory or storage on a laptop just to make it thinner is a bad trade-off for anyone other than a throwaway gadget consumer. If they win back the professional users, they can still make the margins they want on hardware. Look at HP, Dell and Lenovo - they sell consumer crap PCs but they also sell workstations that cost five figures and sell well within their niche.

    1. Re:Classic "cash cow running dry" syndrome by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Apple has made mountains of cash selling iDevices for years now, and will continue to do so. They will also take a cut of all music, entertainment and apps people purchase on these devices. I'm not worried about them disappearing like they were about to in the mid 90s.

      The problem is that their billions of revenue are dependent on a critical mass, one that is starting to shrink. And once it reaches a tipping point, there is unavoidable death spiral.
      That won't happen in the next 5 years, but it could kick off soon. iPhone is stagnant, iPad is going backwards, Macbooks still ok, but small market, Watch is a dead duck, Apple music is dependent on all those things and it's a crowded market.
      Once the slide starts it will be nearly impossible to stop. MS knows this which is why they play so hard with enterprise lock-in. Corporates can't change quickly, but consumer trends can kill you in just a few short years.

  38. Peope are nuts... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    Apple's earnings report last week saw the company report a year over year decline in profits for the first time since 2003.

    It's crazy the way people perceive things in the finance world. Read that first sentence again. Apple is not losing money, they are still making a profit. Just not as much as last year. In fact, they have had increasing profits for the last 13 years. There's only so much money in the world. No company can continue to increase profits year after year indefinitely. And when the company rakes in as much as Apple does, it's even harder to maintain that. They still have billions of dollars that they apparently have no idea what to do with.

    Oh wait, what am I saying!. Run for the hills, this is obviously the death knell for Apple. In fact Silicon Valley is going to fall into the ocean now. The entire planet going to deorbit and fall into the sun. Apple is going under.

    FWIW, I'm not an Apple fanboi either. I have a gen 5 iPod classic, my daughter has an iPhone (I don't), and my wife has an iPad.

    1. Re:Peope are nuts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. This guy has hit the nail on the head.

    2. Re:Peope are nuts... by Torp · · Score: 1

      Yup, everybody's trading and only cares about the stock price going up. Never mind that Apple pays dividends lately... that's not good enough.
      I wonder if they could use their cash stockpile to take themselves private.

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    3. Re:Peope are nuts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that our economy is based on the very principle of infinite growth...

    4. Re:Peope are nuts... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Wait, Apple's paying dividends now? Are you sure? :/ If so, I'm unaware of this and I own some shares. It should be noted that I don't manage my own portfolio and that it's defaulted to just have 'em plow it back into other companies that show steady growth. However, I'd have thought they'd have mentioned that to me. I suppose they might have and, depending, I somehow managed to not notice or not remember.

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  39. Apple has lost its way by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    I remember back when the first iPhone came out. I just had to have one and it was miles ahead of anything else out there. Then everyone caught up to them. Same thing with the first iPods and iPads. Not just in terms of build quality but ease of use and just really nicely packaged.

    Now you have Macbooks that you can't add memory to. And phones and tablets that you cannot add storage to. The Android devices have caught up, and in many cases, surpassed the Apple offerings. Apple has always traditionally been a hardware company. But I think the days of selling devices at big premiums are numbered. For a lot of people, the phone or tablet they have now is good enough. The growth is in India and China and for those markets asking people to shell out $600 for a phone is a tough sell.

    The question for Apple is what's next? The music streaming seems to be doing well. Maybe they should buy Netflix and really get a foothold in the streaming content business.

  40. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "Specifically fundamental parts being serviceable! RAM, M.2 SSD, and the battery should be replaceable post warranty expiration"
    That is your answer. The price of ram and M.2 SSDs are dropping in price. My old Mackbook pro has 16 GB I put in and I replaced the HDD in my wife's.

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  41. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An Ethernet port, for starters. Until every location in the world has stable Wi-Fi, that's going to be a problem for some of us.

    Yeah, yeah... I know that they make a dongle for that. It's a pain the ass to carry around extra dongles, though. Why can't someone come up with a "MicroEthernet" spec to resolve this issue for thin laptops?

  42. Tim Cook trashes Apple ? by trevc · · Score: 1

    What did they expect - "Tim Cook Trashes Apple, Says No New Products In The Pipeline" ?

  43. Reasons why we'd "use Apple products" .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I work in I.T. for a company that does marketing and corporate events.

    We've long held a policy that we're "platform agnostic". If you start work with us, we give you your choice of a Mac or a Windows laptop as your machine. (We also had a policy of issuing people an iPad when they started, but that really came about because we had a division writing a few custom iOS apps for our clients. It made sense for our people to be familiar with what we were selling. Moving forward, I see the company issued iPad possibly going away, because we no longer do the custom app coding, and most people seem to own one already anyway.)

    For 90% of the software our employees use, it really makes little difference which system they choose. So much is cloud-based or web-based these days, and you can run Microsoft Office or any of Adobe's products on either platform. The Mac users have a built-in advantage that they can edit PDF documents without the need of additional software. ("Preview" that comes with OS X as the default PDF viewer supports re-ordering pages in a PDF, deleting pages from one, and annotating or adding a digital signature.) In I.T., we've grown to like OmniGraffle Pro and standardized on it to do all of our network diagrams. (Although, if we decided to use Windows for that task, we could do the same thing in Visio Pro.)

    As is so often pointed out, the Macs are far less vulnerable to malware/spyware - so that's a plus for us too. (Yes, I know... Someone who hates the Mac will pull out a list of the viruses and spyware designed for OS X. It does exist. But it's just not something we have to deal with much. On Windows, the battle is real. Out of all of the crypto-locker issues you've heard of in the news recently, how many of those happened to Mac users? As far as I know, zero.)

    If you're arguing about the cost of a Mac vs. a Windows machine? I think for corporate use, you're really looking at it wrong from the get-go. Realistically, how purchasing happens in our company and every company I've worked for is like this: A certain budget is approved for I.T. to spend on equipment for users. The only "goal" is to get the employees the tech tools they need within that budget. The fact we could buy Dell laptop X for several hundred bucks less than Apple laptop Y is immaterial, as long as we have a way to juggle everything around so it all comes in under the budget total. When we look at things like the lack of a need for an anti-virus license for the Mac laptop and a lack of a need for a copy of Adobe Acrobat Pro to edit PDFs, the Mac is already looking like a wash vs. the cost of the Window alternative. Even if that weren't the case, though? I.T. would have to look at the big picture and decide which computers cost the company more in total hours of support needed as people used them. That's a *really* tough thing to nail down because so much goes into it that often is ignored. EG. How long does someone in I.T. have to spend on hold on the phone getting a warranty repair going for something that broke on a given computer? (That's one area where we do generally spend less time getting a broken Mac serviced than we do a broken Windows PC. Especially when we had HP, the hold times were awful!)

    1. Re:Reasons why we'd "use Apple products" .... by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      For free and simple PDF editing (as you describe OSX supplies) on Windows you simply need PDFill Tools. The author is also flogging a full-fledged PDF editor as well, which may be of interest, but I've never used it. The ability to split files, reorder pages, convert back and forth from PDF to image formats. It's a really handy little tool.

      This is just one example as to how the wide range of available software for Windows makes the platform so attractive for doing work.

      However, I agree with you that the operational and security issues of working on Windows can rapidly eat up all of that software goodness.

      Out of interest, have you ever had a staff member request a Linux PC? If so, how did it go? I work in the academic community, and run Linux among a real mixed bag of OSX, Windows, and other Linux users. My anecdote is that the OSX users complain about their systems the most.

    2. Re:Reasons why we'd "use Apple products" .... by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Do you ever get any of them asking for Plan9, MINIX, or some other oddball OS like that?

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  44. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    An ethernet port, user upgradable and repairable SSD "M.2" interface, user upgradable ram, and user replaceable battery.
    The same for the iMac as far as the drivers and ram.
    The MacPro needs SLOTS so you can upgrade the video cards. SATA-3 and M.2 ports so you can add mass storage.
    Thunderbolt is nice but is it logical to have a small workstation like the Pro had have it tied to a external mass storage array with a cable like the old Commodore 64?
    The MacPro was a good machine but it was too limited to be the best Mac you could get. Today it is lagging a generation in CPU power since Haswell on the socket 2011-3 is shipping and Broadwell is coming soon.
    Add in the simple fact that in the obsession with think all the Apples desktops except the Pro are using lower powered laptop cpus.
    As a user I would love to see.
    1. A cheaper plastic Macbook with an HD display and maybe a Silverlake i3 for the education and low end market. M.2 drives and user upgradeable ram.
    2. iMacs you can upgrade the ram and drives without have to use special tools.
    3. A MacBook Pro with M.2 and user upgradeable ram and an ethernet port.
    4. A real MacPro tower with Socket 2011-3, PCIe, Sata3, M.2 and ethernet.
    5. My dream? A low cost desktop Mac that you can add a video card too. That is not going to happen in my lifetime.

    Truth is that Apple is still making money hand over fist so they have no real need to make the changes I want as a user. To me the iPhone doesn't matter since I use android. Same for the iPad.
    Now an iPod Classic with 256gb or 512gb would be cool.

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  45. I know! I know! by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    A version of iTunes that Just Works and Doesn't Suck!

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    1. Re:I know! I know! by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I am told iTunes works very well on a Mac.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  46. I shudder with antici... by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    ...pation! Wow, a new iPhone! Maybe they will finally release a phone that's water-resistant! Now THAT is innovation!!!

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  47. The only iPhone upgrade I've actually *wanted* .. by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 1

    Was when I upgraded my iPhone 4s to the iPhone 6s Plus as I really wanted the larger screen real estate.

    Every other iPhone upgrade was because Apple released a version of IOS that basically nerfed the performance forcing me to upgrade.

    So I guess that's what they mean.

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  48. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by NotAPK · · Score: 1

    "Now an iPod Classic with 256gb or 512gb would be cool."

    True, but for everyone else using smartphones with micro SD slots, that is already trivial to have. That company was meant to bring out a 512GB micro SD card last year, but I don't know if they delivered. I have no doubt that 512GB micro SD cards will be easily available by the end of 2016.

    I don't know how well a dedicated music player will sell these days. Personally I much prefer dedicated devices: music player, GPS navigator, portable HDD, telephone, etc, as I find the all-in-one smart phone concept often comes apart at the seams.

  49. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    It's getting to the point that if the RAM is soldered in, the battery is also glued in as well. And while I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised if the SSD was soldered on the board too.

    For many MacBooks, when you choose your upgrade selections, the webpage is doing nothing more than filtering the SKUs of which motherboard you want that based off the many permutations available. Fuck that! I wan't post-sales upgradeability.

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  50. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but those being user servicable won't allow Apple to continue paying their overpriced tech support and would limit Apples ability to coerce the masses to the next shiny!

    Please, won't someone think of the tech support?

  51. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    They need a new mac pro tower (the new one sucks and they are at risk of losing a big part of the creative market) and better laptops (stop going for thin)

    Define "need".

    Because the Mac Pro, along with the Mac Mini, are the worst selling Macs in the entire lineup. And not because they're several years old - even the towers were poor sellers, and even when it was new and hot and fairly competitive it was still h0-hum sales.

    It's one of the reasons they could afford to build it all in the US - it probably only sells in the US to any significant degree, and quantities are low enough that they can just hire some local CM to make a run of 10,000 to last the year.

    The only reason they keep it alive is because of the professionals who demand they have something for them. And they probably only update it when they start demanding that their company is needing to replace them as it's part of the 3 year upgrade cycle.

    Specifically fundamental parts being serviceable! RAM, M.2 SSD, and the battery should be replaceable post warranty expiration; especially for the high cost of the laptop in the first place.

    The battery is replaceable post-warranty. Apple has a battery replacement program for all their laptops (and really, $200 is quite reasonable when replacement batteries generally cost $100-150 for most laptops - not NOS crap, but new) or do it yourself, which only requires the skill in finding an appropriate screwdriver. (If you can't figure out where to get such a screwdriver, you don't have the skills to replace the battery. It's not a tall barrier, but it's enough of one to keep Joe Average with a butter knife from wrecking his laptop).

  52. Re:No Mr Fusion? Not interested. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I am some sort of peasant.

    captcha: recoil

  53. Dance, Dance!! by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    Dance for us, pseudo-Jobs, show us your wares!

  54. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can upgrade your MacPro1,1 to a 2,1 with a firmware update, and then with a sub $100 video card, you can run the latest OS with trivial effort. Clasic MacPro towers will run for years into the future.

  55. iOS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The next version of iOS will be iOS X. That will merge both OSes. If I can get an iPad that runs OSX apps, and boot camp with Windows then they will fly off the shelves.

  56. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 1

    So a dongle is an inconvenience, but carrying your own "microethernet" cable isn't? Or do you honestly believe they will magically be available whenever needed?

  57. "Teases Exciting New Products In The Pipeline" by ScooterComputer · · Score: 1

    Go back through the transcripts of EVERY Quarterly call and Keynote/Product/WWDC speech Tim Cook has given since he took over the helm from Steve Jobs...Cook has said, in pretty much the SAME TERMS, EXACTLY this same line. Every. Single. Time.

    And what have we gotten?

    * iPhones with bigger screens: Something the Android manufacturers had been doing for a few years before Apple, and something that would have been trivial for Apple's engineers to do. (In fact we knew, from various reports and Isaacson's Jobs book, that Apple had long been experimenting with MANY screen sizes, for years.) Chassis gets thinner, gains an unsightly camera bulge that Apple would have laughed at a year before if it showed up on a Samsung, battery life stays pretty much the same: inadequate.
    * iPads with a smaller screen, and a bigger screen: see above
    * an iPad Pencil: neat. (Had a pressure sensitive Wacom in 1994, so can't really get THAT excited. Everything old is new again, I suppose.)
    * the Apple Watch: another response to another nascent Android-industry first; and product that a year after launch still does nothing appreciably better (and a lot worse) than the Android-ecosystem units.
    * a Mac Pro: a "pro" computer that debuted to long manufacturing delays to replace a "pro" computer that Apple didn't bother to update for 3 years that hasn't been updated in over 18 months. Uh huh.
    * Retina 27" iMacs: neat. Expensive.
    * Retina 21" iMacs with 5400rpm 2.5" spinning drives, glued shut, and no expandable RAM: Uh huh.
    * the one-port MacBook: charge your laptop or charge your battery-life-barely-decent iPhone. But not both. Charge your laptop or use an external monitor/projector. But not both. Or, buy this $80 dongle that weighs 1/4 the weight of the whole laptop. Uh huh. Oh, and EXPENSIVE. MUCH more $$$ than the ChromeBooks that K-12 is now buying...didn't the MacBook used to be an Ed Market target??
    * a Mac Mini: same as the last, minus $100, with a 5400rpm 2.5" spinning drive, no expandable RAM. Slower than the year before's model. Uh huh. Now 18+ months old.
    * no new Cinema Display. In fact, no new Display from Apple in several years. Despite improvements in Thunderbolt. (Oh, yeah, reminds me about that Mac Pro again.) What should I plug my MacBook Pro into again when I'm IN the office? Ahhh, a crap-ass HP or Dell monitor, gotcha.
    * Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. At least 4 iterations of iOS and OS X that have each taken nearly 6 months to reach an acceptable level of "stability". Yet many people STILL can't seem to get Mail on OS X to display their messages correctly. Or notify them of new messages correctly. Or show messages in the correct folders. Or even show messages at all. Because email is "new", I guess. iOS updates that brick brand new iPhones' radios. iOS updates that disable hardware features. iOS updates that disable Wi-Fi. Bugs. A lot of bugs.
    * Swift: cool. World can't have enough languages.
    * Apple Music: I think I've seen this service before.
    * iCloud: I think I've seen this service before. (Oh, and before you ask...NO, you can't merge your old iTunes account with your new iCloud account yet.)
    * Apple Pay: don't know a single user who actually, uh, uses it.
    * new versions of iTunes. Yeah. I'm just going to slowly walk away now...

    I'm sure I'm missing something. But I really DO await all this magic sparkle fairy unicorn dust that Tim Cook is expecting Apple to fart out later this year. And next year's magic sparkle fairy unicorn dust fart will even be better! No doubt. Because he SAYS so.

    Meanwhile, I spent 2 hours of my life today troubleshooting various Apple bugs for clients that Apple blames on every thing but Apple. Known issues. Apple software. Clearly...CLEARLY...not "a bug". "You're holding it wrong." Riiiiiight. I've been an Apple user since 1983. I sold Apple gear from 1989 until 1996. I worked for Apple in the early '90s. I've been working on Apple gear since. I have a hint for you all: that magic sparkle fairy unicorn dust they're farting out? Sometimes, at best, it is just hot air. You should HOPE it is just hot air. The downside is much worse.

    (Look up the word 'hubris' in the dictionary.)

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  58. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can update a Mac Pro 1,1 to El Capitan if you're interested. There's fix for it: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/2006-2007-mac-pro-1-1-2-1-and-os-x-el-capitan.1890435/. I've done with this with mine and it works great.

  59. Translation by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    "New iPhones that will incentivize you and other people that have iPhones today to upgrade to new iPhones. We are going to give you things you can't live without that you just don't know you need today."

    We are going to develop more "features" you do not want to further lock you into an iPhone and to force you to continue to use iPhones into the future, because profits, and you're our bitches. - love Cookie Monster

  60. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Yup. I've been saying this for a while. Apple can double their work-force and have every product be a complete flop where they only sell items to just their devoted fans (the ones who would buy shit and claim they loved it) and they will STILL have a huge nest egg of cash in the year 2216. They can have each employee do nothing but burn a $10 (American) bill on the hour, ever hour, and do nothing else and STILL have a huge nest egg in the year 2116.

    I bet Microsoft is kicking themselves for not holding onto all that stock they had from when they bailed Apple out. Holy shit, that'd be worth a ton of money. Hell, it'd probably be worth more than a ton of gold.

    Apple has more money than many, many countries have for a GDP - never mind how many more countries that would be counted if we used operating budget instead. I am not even sure what it would take for Apple to go bankrupt at this point. They probably ought to consider doing some of that whole "paying dividends" thing. I didn't realize a company could have that much cash on hand and not be required to give some back to the investors. No, really, I did not know that.

    Full disclosure: I do own some shares but I have no idea how many. It's probably not a lot and any dividends they paid would either go right back into the market or would end up the property of Uncle Sam.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  61. Gone are the days when the iphone looked nice by bored · · Score: 1

    Sitting next to the ugly android phone. Now that they have uglified the UI, it looks like crap too.

    Maybe their next innovation will be bringing the glass look back and creating icons that don't look like they are running on an 8 bit device.

  62. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Part of this is that Apple is afraid of cannibalizing the iMac.

    They don't have an offering (in what would be for Apple) the mid-range which is where most people are looking. The Mac Pro is simply way over speced for what most people need (or can justify) and its custom hardware means upgrading the graphics system is impossible, but by the same token the iMac (thanks to the "thinness obsession" of Ives) has been compromised and can't offer the 3D performance that a lot of people need from a desktop.

    Part of the problem is that the current Apple executives, and Jobs in the past, all went chasing after the easy money that the iPhone and iPad created. While there certainly isn't anything wrong with that, and the app store will help in the long term to keep customers, eventually those products will become commodity items and won't generate the profits they currently do. At that point the lower margin Mac business will help prop up the balance sheet, but only if it hasn't been crippled by the current indifference driving the customers away who are willing to spend large sums of money on hardware and software.

  63. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A damn Kensington slot or a viable alternative for locking it down.

  64. Re:They need a new mac pro tower and better laptop by neuron132 · · Score: 1

    Like my tower just fine

  65. Tim Cooksucker cripples NFC on the iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple customers are fools for continuing to allow Tim Cooksucker to get away with his bullsh!t crippling NFC on the iPhone because it is harming America's economy.

    The Cooksucker continues to refuse to stop crippling NFC on the iPhone.

    The EMV chip card and new payment terminals deployed throughout all of America run on NFC. That means new startups, new jobs and new software development opportunities coding NFC "taplications" (I coined this term for my startup tapABILITIES.com)

    Except using an iPhone because Tim Cooksucker keeps the device crippled.

  66. Might combine those steps by bretts · · Score: 1

    Apple in the early days was always a combination of two forces: Jobs' vision for consumer products, and Wozniak's ability to implement it in the simplest way possible. With the dawn of the Macintosh era in 1984, Wozniak faded because the task of computer design became more one of working with known computer components, and less of old-school electrical engineering. At that point, the consumer side had won out over the company.

  67. re: anyone ever request a Linux PC by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    No.... So far, nobody has ever come to us asking about a Linux PC (or any other Unix flavor).

    We do, however, run Linux in "virtual appliance" form for several things, including the central administration console for our ESET anti-virus solution on the Windows computers. (ESET primarily supports a Windows Server based application for that, but they also offer it as a Linux VM image -- which we decided made more sense for us to run.)

    I doubt we would formally/officially support Linux on an employee's PC though, simply because of the lack of native support for things like Microsoft Office. (We use hosted Exchange email and with all of the meeting scheduling, calendar sharing, contacts published from Public Folders, delegates handling things on behalf of others, etc. -- we can't really trust 3rd. party mail clients that claim to be "Exchange compatible" to behave 100% correctly in all of those scenarios.) Also, I don't think Adobe Illustrator runs natively in Linux and that's needed by at least some of our staff.

  68. Repairability exception by DrYak · · Score: 1

    True, but there are exceptions.

    I do know that there are exception.
    We could also cite the FairPhone & FairPhone2, smartphones where repairability is among the main features that it's company is proud of (the other point being fair trade in regards of conflict mineral and proper wellfare in the factory).

    This things are designed to be easy to repair alone without needing any shop.

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  69. Numbers by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Broken devices being replaced are a small minority...

    Not in my experience: most of the people around me tend to break phone rather fast. About 1-2 years in, and the thing is basically good to throw away.
    I'm actually the weird guy in this pool (I keep my smartphone and other such fragile electronics in holsters on my belt instead of leaving them in my pocket. I use screen cover, etc.)
    And I'm getting question from friends about why I do keep old phones, instead of buying the latest iShiny.

    and there's plenty of repair places to handle them as well.

    But most repairs aren't cheap. And mid range phone's prices have fallen to the point were getting a new phone is getting interesting.

    I only know two friends who are repairing their phones.
    - One is starting to get her phone repaired, now that she has exceeded the replacements from her insurrance, maxed the number of phones she can get from her service provider, etc. Basically, repairing her broken phone is the only way she can have a phone short of digging some old Nokia from the cellar (which probably still has 50% battery left :-P) and stick with it until she can get a new phone with her plan.
    - The other has bought a Fairphone for the explicit reason that it's easy to repair and she can ask me to quickly swap parts for her.

    A $20 case will prevent the large majority of broken phones.

    ...which completely defies the current trend of trying to produce the thinnest and shiniest possible phone.
    What's the point of buing a phone that is only 4mm thick and has its entire back body made of brushed aluminium, if you're going to keep it inside a thick layer of negative-shear-factor-goo ?

    NOTE: I'm not against cases (I keep my phone in a holster on my belt), I'm against the stupid trend of thin phones and aluminium. Makes no sense when everybody needs to stick phone in cases.
    Have a replaceable case part of the initial design (as it used to be with older thick PDAs and non-smart phones) instead.

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