I work in computer repair, and on more than just a few occasions, the actual uninstaller for norton doesn't work. In fact, it takes very little effort to get a copy of norton to stop functioning properly. The security center will warn that certain parts of the software aren't working properly- and when you try to fix it, they just don't work. So then you try to uninstall it, and it comes up with an error.
So, I'd like to correct your few steps:
Step 1. Run the Norton Removal Tool. Don't waste your time with any of the other steps.
Imagine if I was so upset that I killed myself because someone on slashdot regularly replied to my comments with mean statements. Imagine if I wrote a note saying this is why I killed myself- because userxyz is so mean to me, and I'm alone in the world.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as homicide, and if it does, that leaves a very dangerous loophole in our legal system.
Imagine killing bums and leaving suicide notes to get rid of people in power that you don't like.
Trust me, I know what I'm talking about - after suffering horrific bullying at high school I went through a phase for about 4 years where I withdrew to the point that the only people I talked to were my family and only them if they badgered me into actually interacting with them. You're preaching to the choir dude, this is slashdot, remember? I don't think there are many of us who didn't have that high school "life experience" as my dad calls it.
No, I think you were dead on earlier. I'm not sure if you're from the US, but 'round these parts, basically when a case like this happens- the news and media outlets report these things as if the defendant is already guilty, and put in catch phrases like "alleged" and "possible," but the insinuations they make stick. Public opinion usually mirrors the desired projected opinion of the media outlets.
Ask any american if they thought OJ Simpson was guilty. Everybody I know thinks he is, despite the fact that the court found him not guilty.
This is not an issue of "let's wait and see." Typically, the general populous sees news headlines such as "Person X being investigated for crime Y against Z" and interperate is to mean "Person X committed Y against Z, but we have to wait for the court to sentence him/her."
So while a majority of the logical people here at slashdot may believe "indicted" means just that- It's safe to assume that the general populous will make the guilty connection even when the media outlets do cover their asses with terms like "allegedly."
Just because 4 other players you owned aren't used as much as your IPOD doesn't mean there aren't more fully featured products on the market. You're just a poor consumer. (or a great consumer, and a poor researcher)
I can only speak for a girlfriend that I had a few years back. She was going to school in Boston (Yuppie & IPOD capital of the nation, it would seem). She demanded an IPOD and wanted one so bad. I tried to talk her into a variety of other, cheaper, more fully featured players from other brands. But she was not just looking for a music player for the subway (the 'T' as they call it)- she was looking for a status symbol that would make her fit in with the city and her other college friends.
If buying an Ipod wasn't about status- people wouldn't get them. They're more expensive than alternatives, and in most cases, don't really provide any additional features than some competing (and cheaper) products.
I sure as hell don't call them innocent. People have been in the streets protesting the actions perpetrated by the people working in that building around the globe for many, many years. They got what they deserved. Holy shit, That's got to be the worst thing I've ever heard on slashdot. They got what they deserved?? I wouldn't wish what happened to those people on ANYBODY, not my worst enemy!
That being said, unfortunately, it seems Bin Laden and his flying trapeze group actually did considerable harm to the country. I wouldn't compare the harm to our own congress- I would add up the sum instead. It's almost completely convenient that 9/11 happened, and our government has "hijacked" this tragedy to do their own evil. If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they were working together. But even if they weren't, those opportunists (our gov) certainly didn't let such a grand event pass by without using it to their benefits.
So comparing them against eachother is futile. Try looking at the sum of the damage to our country. If they weren't working together, I'd say Bin Laden's plan was actually quite brilliant for what he was looking to do.
Backups? Well yes, funny story. We were upgrading the backup storage facility at the same and suddenly- oh look over there! There's a bird or something!
Try something new. Vote the Party out of office. That would be the first step. I've been trying since 2000! Hasn't worked yet. Maybe it's because on our new voting machine we have two options: Vote Republican, or "Button out-of-order"
I just don't feel like voting and writing are going to do me any good. What we need is a bribe (Read: lobbying contribution) to get congress to go in the right direction (towards, not away from, the constitution).
I want my country and constitution back. These people have a lot of nerve to ask me for money to be able to read my private papers and correspondence. I agree. What can we do? Seriously. Let's take action.
I simplified it into 3 larger steps. It's happening right now and I don't see people rioting in the streets. It's just not that big of an erosion of rights. Not yet.
Murderers is an analogy. Maybe people don't have murderers that much. But they sure hate pedophiles. Heck- read every other comment in this article: FBI Renews Push for ISP Data Retention Laws, it's always something along the lines of - "..as long as they catch those evil children molesters.."
I would also like to add that just because:
(X+10) = Bad;
(x+1) != (x+10) does not mean that:
(x+1) = good. This would be the straw man, as you cannot infer this information from the argument at hand.
One day we give warnings to traffic offenders, so we would then give fines, leading to jail time, and in the end we will be put to death for jaywalking. Why? Because we gave warnings. Slippery slope. Your anology of a graduated punishment system is not parallel to the hypothetical situation at hand, and is therefore flawed.
Liken it to the death penalty for murderers- -At first, it required a fair amount of evidence to prove guilty.
-People hated murderers so much that they started loosening laws regarding how we caught murderers. -Police decided they wanted even easier access to information that would help them get murderers, so much so that they sometimes got personal data from innocent people too. People were ok with that, because they hate murderers. Police did one more power grab, and now obtain personal data about everybody - innocent or guilty- to catch murderers. People are ok because they hate murderers. Police now have the ability to single you and your family out for belief xyz. You're no longer ok with the power police have, but it's too late, because they eroded your rights little by little.
Slippery Slope is not a logical argument because x+1 does not imply x+10. Slippery slope is a strategy to watch out for because (x + 1 * 10) is easier to get past the general public than (x+10).
And if you read my argument, you'd see that I agree with you that it's not a logical argument, and is instead a fallacy. But that doesn't make it less relevant in this discussion.
Take a person who likes to play with fire (pyromaniac). Like it or not, at SOME POINT they are going to light something like a house or a forest on fire. That's a bit of a Hasty Generalisation.
Seriously though, the fact that somebody who likes to play with fire is more likely to burn something down is not a reason to lock up all pyros.
I definitely agree that people use too much emotion when going after pedophiles- it's certainly similar to witch hunts (except their actual rate of getting their target is higher, since pedophiles actually exist).
I'd say the line can easily be drawn when actual children are being hurt. The difference between robbing a bank and talking, dreaming, fantasizing about robbing a bank are the actual action required.
It's perfectly legal to write a book, draw pictures, and role play about robbing banks. The only crime is actually doing so (or seriously conspiring to do so).
Now obtaining child pornography is slightly different, because you are definitely benefitting directly from the result of a crime- whether it's paid for or stolen. If you receive money from somebody else who robbed a bank, you're still receiving goods (or "bads") from a crime.
So I feel that not only distributing, or creating, but just obtaining child pornography should be considered illegal. But I think it should be less of a which hunt. If you post a link to child porno pic, and label it "18+ teens" and I click it, does that mean I've broken the law? The file is now on my hard drive, and even if I delete it, it'll be hard to get rid of.
And if I'm 17 and my girlfriend is 17 and we take nude pics of eachother. Are we really commiting a crime ? Sure our parents should get upset- but how is that any more of a crime than getting knocked up at that age? (Which isn't a crime, but has more gravity).
The point is, do away with due process, and you do away with distinction between these things. I absolutely do not advocate child porn. But at the same time, I believe anybody involved (on purpose, or accidentally) in child pornography deserves the exact same privacy rights and access to due process as myself. Otherwise, what keeps people who disagree with me from encroaching on my rights?
Of course it hurts everyone else too - for example, this guy [www.cbc.ca] was thrown to prison and put to sex offender register for writing fiction. Wait a second- what law did he break? Seriously.. is this legit?
Regarding the "slippery slope" as a logical fallacy (which it is) is exactly how the people in power are able to do such power-grabs. So long as X + 1 does not infer x + 10, then there's nothing wrong with X+1.
The real logical fallacy is ignoring psychology. Put a frog in a pot of boiling water, and it'll jump out. Put a frog in room temperature water, and let it boil, it'll never notice as it boils to death.
We won't notice, x+1, so we'll ignore it. Then tomorrow when it's x+1 again, we'll be fine. The reason the "slippery slope" is relevant, despite it's inherent logical flaws is that it refers to a real strategy that actually exists, and is used against the population.
Simply grabbing as much power as you can by claiming it's against a common enemy is a common strategy for gaining powers that can later be used to control the very people who thought it was protecting them. See step 1
I have a subscription to Gametap, and I've been very happy with that and my usb game controllers. It's got some multiplayer games, and some single player games. A lot of games from older consoles too.
Aside from that I recommend getting n64 roms and playing smash bros till you pass out.
That's why we've got an idea... Open Lobbying, (Read zappepcs post, and my reply).
Maybe you guys would like to get in on the cause? I am certain this would be ground breaking if we can get a following. email me: webmaster at fredrickville.com
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You're right, that is simple.
I work in computer repair, and on more than just a few occasions, the actual uninstaller for norton doesn't work. In fact, it takes very little effort to get a copy of norton to stop functioning properly. The security center will warn that certain parts of the software aren't working properly- and when you try to fix it, they just don't work. So then you try to uninstall it, and it comes up with an error.
So, I'd like to correct your few steps:
Step 1. Run the Norton Removal Tool. Don't waste your time with any of the other steps.
Imagine if I was so upset that I killed myself because someone on slashdot regularly replied to my comments with mean statements. Imagine if I wrote a note saying this is why I killed myself- because userxyz is so mean to me, and I'm alone in the world.
I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as homicide, and if it does, that leaves a very dangerous loophole in our legal system.
Imagine killing bums and leaving suicide notes to get rid of people in power that you don't like.
No, I think you were dead on earlier. I'm not sure if you're from the US, but 'round these parts, basically when a case like this happens- the news and media outlets report these things as if the defendant is already guilty, and put in catch phrases like "alleged" and "possible," but the insinuations they make stick. Public opinion usually mirrors the desired projected opinion of the media outlets.
Ask any american if they thought OJ Simpson was guilty. Everybody I know thinks he is, despite the fact that the court found him not guilty.
This is not an issue of "let's wait and see." Typically, the general populous sees news headlines such as "Person X being investigated for crime Y against Z" and interperate is to mean "Person X committed Y against Z, but we have to wait for the court to sentence him/her."
So while a majority of the logical people here at slashdot may believe "indicted" means just that- It's safe to assume that the general populous will make the guilty connection even when the media outlets do cover their asses with terms like "allegedly."
Just because 4 other players you owned aren't used as much as your IPOD doesn't mean there aren't more fully featured products on the market. You're just a poor consumer. (or a great consumer, and a poor researcher)
I can only speak for a girlfriend that I had a few years back. She was going to school in Boston (Yuppie & IPOD capital of the nation, it would seem). She demanded an IPOD and wanted one so bad. I tried to talk her into a variety of other, cheaper, more fully featured players from other brands. But she was not just looking for a music player for the subway (the 'T' as they call it)- she was looking for a status symbol that would make her fit in with the city and her other college friends.
If buying an Ipod wasn't about status- people wouldn't get them. They're more expensive than alternatives, and in most cases, don't really provide any additional features than some competing (and cheaper) products.
They said this all about Tron as well.
Area code 603 is not available- and that covers the entire state of New Hampshire.
That being said, unfortunately, it seems Bin Laden and his flying trapeze group actually did considerable harm to the country. I wouldn't compare the harm to our own congress- I would add up the sum instead. It's almost completely convenient that 9/11 happened, and our government has "hijacked" this tragedy to do their own evil. If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they were working together. But even if they weren't, those opportunists (our gov) certainly didn't let such a grand event pass by without using it to their benefits.
So comparing them against eachother is futile. Try looking at the sum of the damage to our country. If they weren't working together, I'd say Bin Laden's plan was actually quite brilliant for what he was looking to do.
Backups? Well yes, funny story. We were upgrading the backup storage facility at the same and suddenly- oh look over there! There's a bird or something!
*runs*
Oh, and stop calling me Shirley.
I agree. Maybe not that phrase, but I think something that will get media attention is in order. .. what does everybody think?
I just don't feel like voting and writing are going to do me any good. What we need is a bribe (Read: lobbying contribution) to get congress to go in the right direction (towards, not away from, the constitution).
I simplified it into 3 larger steps. It's happening right now and I don't see people rioting in the streets. It's just not that big of an erosion of rights. Not yet.
Murderers is an analogy. Maybe people don't have murderers that much. But they sure hate pedophiles. Heck- read every other comment in this article: FBI Renews Push for ISP Data Retention Laws, it's always something along the lines of - "..as long as they catch those evil children molesters.."
I would also like to add that just because:
(X+10) = Bad;
(x+1) != (x+10)
does not mean that:
(x+1) = good. This would be the straw man, as you cannot infer this information from the argument at hand.
Liken it to the death penalty for murderers-
-At first, it required a fair amount of evidence to prove guilty.
-People hated murderers so much that they started loosening laws regarding how we caught murderers.
-Police decided they wanted even easier access to information that would help them get murderers, so much so that they sometimes got personal data from innocent people too. People were ok with that, because they hate murderers.
Police did one more power grab, and now obtain personal data about everybody - innocent or guilty- to catch murderers. People are ok because they hate murderers.
Police now have the ability to single you and your family out for belief xyz. You're no longer ok with the power police have, but it's too late, because they eroded your rights little by little.
Slippery Slope is not a logical argument because x+1 does not imply x+10. Slippery slope is a strategy to watch out for because (x + 1 * 10) is easier to get past the general public than (x+10).
And if you read my argument, you'd see that I agree with you that it's not a logical argument, and is instead a fallacy. But that doesn't make it less relevant in this discussion.
You had an argument at smoking. Then you said touching and lost it.
Touching is horrid. The question is not smoking vs touching. The question is smoking vs our rights as a civilization (Innocent until proven guilty).
Seriously though, the fact that somebody who likes to play with fire is more likely to burn something down is not a reason to lock up all pyros.
I definitely agree that people use too much emotion when going after pedophiles- it's certainly similar to witch hunts (except their actual rate of getting their target is higher, since pedophiles actually exist).
I'd say the line can easily be drawn when actual children are being hurt. The difference between robbing a bank and talking, dreaming, fantasizing about robbing a bank are the actual action required.
It's perfectly legal to write a book, draw pictures, and role play about robbing banks. The only crime is actually doing so (or seriously conspiring to do so).
Now obtaining child pornography is slightly different, because you are definitely benefitting directly from the result of a crime- whether it's paid for or stolen. If you receive money from somebody else who robbed a bank, you're still receiving goods (or "bads") from a crime.
So I feel that not only distributing, or creating, but just obtaining child pornography should be considered illegal. But I think it should be less of a which hunt. If you post a link to child porno pic, and label it "18+ teens" and I click it, does that mean I've broken the law? The file is now on my hard drive, and even if I delete it, it'll be hard to get rid of.
And if I'm 17 and my girlfriend is 17 and we take nude pics of eachother. Are we really commiting a crime ? Sure our parents should get upset- but how is that any more of a crime than getting knocked up at that age? (Which isn't a crime, but has more gravity).
The point is, do away with due process, and you do away with distinction between these things. I absolutely do not advocate child porn. But at the same time, I believe anybody involved (on purpose, or accidentally) in child pornography deserves the exact same privacy rights and access to due process as myself. Otherwise, what keeps people who disagree with me from encroaching on my rights?
Regarding the "slippery slope" as a logical fallacy (which it is) is exactly how the people in power are able to do such power-grabs. So long as X + 1 does not infer x + 10, then there's nothing wrong with X+1.
The real logical fallacy is ignoring psychology. Put a frog in a pot of boiling water, and it'll jump out. Put a frog in room temperature water, and let it boil, it'll never notice as it boils to death.
We won't notice, x+1, so we'll ignore it. Then tomorrow when it's x+1 again, we'll be fine. The reason the "slippery slope" is relevant, despite it's inherent logical flaws is that it refers to a real strategy that actually exists, and is used against the population.
Simply grabbing as much power as you can by claiming it's against a common enemy is a common strategy for gaining powers that can later be used to control the very people who thought it was protecting them. See step 1
I have a subscription to Gametap, and I've been very happy with that and my usb game controllers. It's got some multiplayer games, and some single player games. A lot of games from older consoles too.
Aside from that I recommend getting n64 roms and playing smash bros till you pass out.
OO oo I learned about this recently- That's a logical falacy!!
That's why we've got an idea... Open Lobbying, (Read zappepcs post, and my reply).
Maybe you guys would like to get in on the cause? I am certain this would be ground breaking if we can get a following. email me: webmaster at fredrickville.com