That's a good point, except that the photocopier is there for other purposes- one of which could be copying books. But it's not placed there for that. It's placed there to make copies of anything that is legal to be copied.
Now, a shared folder is there only to share copies of what's put in it. In fact, there are probably many other things that could be copied that aren't neccessarily under copyright- but if they're not in that folder- they're not going to get copied. You can show express intent with a folder with a single use VS a library copy machine that has many legit uses.
And if you do set up limewire to send a friend who owns the CD the files, that's technically not against the law (I think..) but since you're using limewire, you aren't controlling who else may get access, so that'd be where the grey area starts..
restroom with running water and electricity isn't going to keep people occupying tables for longer periods of time. I disagree. If you're at a buffet- having a bathroom makes all the difference in the world between 3 plates and 6 plates. It's in a buffet's best interest to limit bathroom usage.
To clarify the difference between making files available (a daemon that sits and listens 24/7) and responding to requests (a SERVER) and uploading to a server, downloading emails, sending email, is simply where the request begins- When you go to download email, you initiate the connection to the mail server. When you send email, you initiate a connection with the mail server. When you upload files to an FTP site, you initiate the connection.
When you serve files you sit and listen to a port (typically 80 for websites) and when somebody else initiates a connection with you, you respond- that's a server.
I was about to say - Most of the people spewing the intel is better than AMD crap are just reciting marketing BS.
Thanks to the fact that there's no easy way to compare which processor is supposed to match up with which when it comes to comparing brands- the only way I find you can compare processors is price class. I find every AMD processor I've tested outperforms it's Intel same-price-class counterpart in benchmarks.
Since we can't compare things like mhz anymore, all we have are benchmarks and price classes..
I used comcast to point out that there's no way to handle "unlimited" without it getting bigger and growing faster than you can keep up with- and I brought up Yahoo music, because according to Ian Rogers the number one reason they're cutting the unlimited is because they weren't making money off of it. (the idea was that behind the scenes, YMU actually payed a royalty for each listen, and hoped people wouldn't listen to such an unlimited extent that it would go upside down on them). Now whether or not they both immediately apply- it's obvious that the word "unlimited" is a dangerous beast and tends to bite even the best intentioned marketing departments.
Interesting to see a big company like Yahoo try their hand at the "unlimited" marketing game. Anybody who's had experience in the past with any company who offers "unlimited" knows better- Anybody remember Comcast "unlimited" broadband?
Bunches of online hosting companies offer "unlimited" services with as much space or bandwidth as you need- and all these companies have a disclaimer in their TOS that explains they can't use more than.0001% of their resources. Turns out you can have 500 gb of files, but coincidentally it takes just enough cpu to copy the file that they kick you off. Or some hosting companies go ahead and say it in the TOS- you can't have more than 1% of the alotted bandwidth, other than that it's unlimited!
Eventually, yes, they get brought down. Law suits, investigations, what have you. They will eventually add their limits to the fine print, just like everybody before them. The catch? Everybody with the host will suffer horrible service up till the day the limit is defined, and after that, it probably won't get much better. That is, if you're not already kicked off their service for using too much of the unlimited service. Anybody not completely disgusted with the service at this point will most likely be offended that their freedom is being taken away and may leave out of protest alone.
You'd think Yahoo would learn better than start a huge marketing campaign on a service they can't possibly keep profitable. Think about it- Yahoo Music Unlimited just closed! It was a nice idea, except it wasn't making them money! This is a huge PR disaster waiting to happen.
Let's just take them up on the offer and get rid of them. Somebody call Google and explain to them there's a new host that will host Google's search engine for $12. We'll see how long Yahoo stays unlimited.
Yeah, I'm on verizon and loving it. Not sure what the issue is here- everybody here asserts that if you really had to you could revert back to DSL like it's something bad. My verizon dsl is 3 mbps, and comcast in the area is 4 mbps. My work has comcast and it's far slower than my home DSL connection. So I'm not sure why people ignore the obvious..
It's funny how the RIAA and MPAA both seem to be using a public forum for their brainstorming technique. Most groups would come to a conclusion in private and announce their final and ultimate strategy. Nope, these guys just come up with idea after idea and announce them before they've even contemplated what they mean or their reprocussions. If my company announced every brain-dead idea we came up with before bouncing it around in the brainstorming sessions we had- we'd kill ourselves off with bad PR alone!
If you read TFA he goes on to admit that it's unlikely to get people to install the filterware themselves, but maybe if they put it into routers and modems....It's worth noting that the decryption doesn't take place there, and it'd be no more effective.
It just seems like this guy has it figured out- he understands what won't work, but he still wants to move foward with the bad plan. If you're going to go down, might as well go down swinging..?
Or they could be causing confusion while developing the biggest game with the longest gameplay in the history of man kind! With so much new content and various endings that this game actually revolutionizes games as we know them...
That's an option... but I agree, it will be hard to meet expecations with this wait. Every day longer makes people's expectations grow..
I have to say, that's not neccessarily a bad thing. I consume music like it's popcorn, and I have a Yahoo music subscription. My problem is I listen to music all day long at work, and in the car. I need more new music, I just can't stand the same tunes over and over.
So, even though I have a library of thousands of songs in my Yahoo Music library- if I stopped paying, I wouldn't mind losing them, since I'm already sick of all of it. Thanks to my new [bad] habit of consuming music at such a high rate, I'm running out of good music to listen to, and I'm sick of all the stuff I'm done with. Only a subscription model would allow this - without spending thousands of dollars...
All I can think about when I think of the IRAQ war is playing command and conquer and doing something stupid like setting a rally point and funneling all the troops directly into the enemy base single file. We just poured our resources and troops into something slowly and didn't get anything done- and now we're broke. Time for the nod to come do it's thing.
I don't think you're stupid. I found the article to be so dry, I couldn't sap any information out of it due to it's lack of obvious direction. Thanks to slashdot readers who have summed it up, I have an idea of what happened.
Not only would $100 cut me out, but even $25 would cut me out. I already spend quite a bit of money keeping my websites registered at $10/month. I don't need a stupid tax to keep spammers and squatters down, because that would greatly affect my personal sites. And I don't generate much of any income on my sites, they're are mostly personal.
Strict regulation, maybe. Remove domain tasting? Yes. But raising prices for honest customers? Hell no.
A better question would be whether there's copyright infringement having somebody register a domain that uses your site's name.
What needs to change is getting your domain back if you accidentally let it expire.
Just days after I accidentally let one of my domains expire with godaddy, they told me it's in a probation period where it was protected and only I could re-register it if it was a mistake- the catch was that it'd cost $80, as opposed to the $10 it normally costs.
That price is arbitrary, as it's no skin off their backs to re-register it for standard cost. They're banking on drop-catching. Drop-catchers snatch domains faster than I've been able to, even using godaddy's service that watches and grabs a domain the minute it expires.
Nevertheless, Woz, a fan of both Atari arcade games and engineering challenges, came to his friend's rescue. He completed the bulk of the work in about four days, with an efficient design that used far fewer chips than any other Atari arcade game at the time. Atari's engineers were impressed and Jobs received a nice payout and bonus --most of which he kept for himself. Breakout would become another arcade hit for Atari. Turns out, Woz is also behind most of the stuff that Apple pumps out these days. And of course, Jobs keeps the cash.
Why is it that they want more money in damages from a copy to a format that doesn't inheretly lend itself to being copied an unknown number of times- whereas there's actually a question of how many times copyright infringement happens to a file in a share folder- but they get much less for a shared folder collection...?
Civil law
In civil law cases, the "burden of proof" requires the plaintiff to convince the trier of fact (whether judge or jury) of the plaintiff's entitlement to the relief sought. This means that the plaintiff must prove each element of the claim, or cause of action, in order to recover. Source
I was under the impression that the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff.
But then again, I was also under the impression that the best way to make money is to sell things to your customers instead of sue them, so call me old fasioned.
TFA:
Its time for a new approach - time for ISPs to start taking responsibility for the content theyve profited from for years. I, for one, would not have an internet connection if it weren't for all those illegal downloads. Clearly verizon is proffiting off of illegal downloads.
Wait! Why stop there? Creative Labs made my speakers and sound card! They're the ones enabling my illegal habits! Get 'em! It's about time they stop profitting of the backs of hardworking musicians. They didn't write ANY of the music! Oh and for god's sake can we please start charging Microsoft for allowing us to even install these P2P apps? For the longest time, Microsoft has profitted off the backs of artists by allowing this filth to be installed on their operating system!
And so on and so on. Seriously, grandpa, stop bitching, you're making your band look bad.
From TFTA:
Notwithstanding the promotional noise, even Radioheads honesty box principle showed that if not constrained, the customer will steal music. Ok, not to state the obvious here, but if they're offering it free, that means it wasn't stealing. I would like to say, while there are some that obviously would try to steal it whether it was free or not, some may have been compelled to pick it up for free that wouldn't have even bothered to buy orsteal it in the first place. If it's free, might as well give it a try. That's not increased piracy-- that's increased exposure. Radiohead's huge, but a lot of my friends don't listen to them. This gave them a chance to join the Radiohead bandwagon.
Aside from that, Paul continues to show his disconnection from reality by using Radiohead's example. Radiohead made far more money distributing it this way than they ever did with a record label. His entire speech was nothing more than a "oh noes! Please help me save our dying business model."
Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work- he's using U2's name (and website) to push his agenda!
Yeah, My guess is even with this court order, all they need for authorization is an opt out mail that has a timeout of 1 month. If you choose not to read your junk mail carefully, you silently consent to all sorts of horrid things. And for some- maybe they never even get the letter...
Had the land grab happened thirty years ago, and the patent office learned to deal with it then, this all would have been worked out by now. The hobbyist software creator didn't exist in large part thirty years ago, and the fights would have been between large companies like IBM and its challengers. True that. Seriously, folks, who's got the patent on operating systems? Software that interfaces with hardware for you? That would be great. Software patents work great until it's something obvious that shouldn't be patentable, but who draws the line? That's what we're arguing here. An antivirus on an smtp or ftp gateway? In what way is that any less obvious than an operating system?
I'm going to patent writing data to hard drives, and make millions off this system in the name of progress.
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That's a good point, except that the photocopier is there for other purposes- one of which could be copying books. But it's not placed there for that. It's placed there to make copies of anything that is legal to be copied.
Now, a shared folder is there only to share copies of what's put in it. In fact, there are probably many other things that could be copied that aren't neccessarily under copyright- but if they're not in that folder- they're not going to get copied. You can show express intent with a folder with a single use VS a library copy machine that has many legit uses.
And if you do set up limewire to send a friend who owns the CD the files, that's technically not against the law (I think..) but since you're using limewire, you aren't controlling who else may get access, so that'd be where the grey area starts..
Anyway, good points. Mod parent up.
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To clarify the difference between making files available (a daemon that sits and listens 24/7) and responding to requests (a SERVER) and uploading to a server, downloading emails, sending email, is simply where the request begins- When you go to download email, you initiate the connection to the mail server. When you send email, you initiate a connection with the mail server. When you upload files to an FTP site, you initiate the connection.
When you serve files you sit and listen to a port (typically 80 for websites) and when somebody else initiates a connection with you, you respond- that's a server.
I was about to say - Most of the people spewing the intel is better than AMD crap are just reciting marketing BS.
Thanks to the fact that there's no easy way to compare which processor is supposed to match up with which when it comes to comparing brands- the only way I find you can compare processors is price class. I find every AMD processor I've tested outperforms it's Intel same-price-class counterpart in benchmarks.
Since we can't compare things like mhz anymore, all we have are benchmarks and price classes..
I used comcast to point out that there's no way to handle "unlimited" without it getting bigger and growing faster than you can keep up with- and I brought up Yahoo music, because according to Ian Rogers the number one reason they're cutting the unlimited is because they weren't making money off of it. (the idea was that behind the scenes, YMU actually payed a royalty for each listen, and hoped people wouldn't listen to such an unlimited extent that it would go upside down on them). Now whether or not they both immediately apply- it's obvious that the word "unlimited" is a dangerous beast and tends to bite even the best intentioned marketing departments.
Interesting to see a big company like Yahoo try their hand at the "unlimited" marketing game. Anybody who's had experience in the past with any company who offers "unlimited" knows better- Anybody remember Comcast "unlimited" broadband?
.0001% of their resources. Turns out you can have 500 gb of files, but coincidentally it takes just enough cpu to copy the file that they kick you off. Or some hosting companies go ahead and say it in the TOS- you can't have more than 1% of the alotted bandwidth, other than that it's unlimited!
Bunches of online hosting companies offer "unlimited" services with as much space or bandwidth as you need- and all these companies have a disclaimer in their TOS that explains they can't use more than
Eventually, yes, they get brought down. Law suits, investigations, what have you. They will eventually add their limits to the fine print, just like everybody before them. The catch? Everybody with the host will suffer horrible service up till the day the limit is defined, and after that, it probably won't get much better. That is, if you're not already kicked off their service for using too much of the unlimited service. Anybody not completely disgusted with the service at this point will most likely be offended that their freedom is being taken away and may leave out of protest alone.
You'd think Yahoo would learn better than start a huge marketing campaign on a service they can't possibly keep profitable. Think about it- Yahoo Music Unlimited just closed! It was a nice idea, except it wasn't making them money! This is a huge PR disaster waiting to happen.
Let's just take them up on the offer and get rid of them. Somebody call Google and explain to them there's a new host that will host Google's search engine for $12. We'll see how long Yahoo stays unlimited.
Yeah, I'm on verizon and loving it. Not sure what the issue is here- everybody here asserts that if you really had to you could revert back to DSL like it's something bad. My verizon dsl is 3 mbps, and comcast in the area is 4 mbps. My work has comcast and it's far slower than my home DSL connection. So I'm not sure why people ignore the obvious..
It's funny how the RIAA and MPAA both seem to be using a public forum for their brainstorming technique. Most groups would come to a conclusion in private and announce their final and ultimate strategy. Nope, these guys just come up with idea after idea and announce them before they've even contemplated what they mean or their reprocussions. If my company announced every brain-dead idea we came up with before bouncing it around in the brainstorming sessions we had- we'd kill ourselves off with bad PR alone!
If you read TFA he goes on to admit that it's unlikely to get people to install the filterware themselves, but maybe if they put it into routers and modems....It's worth noting that the decryption doesn't take place there, and it'd be no more effective.
It just seems like this guy has it figured out- he understands what won't work, but he still wants to move foward with the bad plan. If you're going to go down, might as well go down swinging..?
Or they could be causing confusion while developing the biggest game with the longest gameplay in the history of man kind! With so much new content and various endings that this game actually revolutionizes games as we know them...
That's an option... but I agree, it will be hard to meet expecations with this wait. Every day longer makes people's expectations grow..
Nopers, still vaporware. http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51163
Seriously people, 3D Realms told us time, and time again. They will announce it on their site when it's real. Stop falling for this.
That being said, this still made my heart skip a beat.. or four
I have to say, that's not neccessarily a bad thing. I consume music like it's popcorn, and I have a Yahoo music subscription. My problem is I listen to music all day long at work, and in the car. I need more new music, I just can't stand the same tunes over and over.
So, even though I have a library of thousands of songs in my Yahoo Music library- if I stopped paying, I wouldn't mind losing them, since I'm already sick of all of it. Thanks to my new [bad] habit of consuming music at such a high rate, I'm running out of good music to listen to, and I'm sick of all the stuff I'm done with. Only a subscription model would allow this - without spending thousands of dollars...
All I can think about when I think of the IRAQ war is playing command and conquer and doing something stupid like setting a rally point and funneling all the troops directly into the enemy base single file. We just poured our resources and troops into something slowly and didn't get anything done- and now we're broke. Time for the nod to come do it's thing.
I don't think you're stupid. I found the article to be so dry, I couldn't sap any information out of it due to it's lack of obvious direction. Thanks to slashdot readers who have summed it up, I have an idea of what happened.
Not only would $100 cut me out, but even $25 would cut me out. I already spend quite a bit of money keeping my websites registered at $10/month. I don't need a stupid tax to keep spammers and squatters down, because that would greatly affect my personal sites. And I don't generate much of any income on my sites, they're are mostly personal.
Strict regulation, maybe. Remove domain tasting? Yes. But raising prices for honest customers? Hell no.
A better question would be whether there's copyright infringement having somebody register a domain that uses your site's name.
What needs to change is getting your domain back if you accidentally let it expire.
Just days after I accidentally let one of my domains expire with godaddy, they told me it's in a probation period where it was protected and only I could re-register it if it was a mistake- the catch was that it'd cost $80, as opposed to the $10 it normally costs.
That price is arbitrary, as it's no skin off their backs to re-register it for standard cost. They're banking on drop-catching. Drop-catchers snatch domains faster than I've been able to, even using godaddy's service that watches and grabs a domain the minute it expires.
It is just a list of where to get the content, but not the content itself. If that's illegal, then so should this be:
Free Britney Spears Album!!
Instructions: Enter Walmart. Go to Electronics. Steal. Exit.
Free Metallica CDs!
Instructions: Enter Best Buy. Go to Electronics. Steal. Exit.
Oh man, let's start a site that does this! It'll be our only recourse if tpb gets taken down...
Why is it that they want more money in damages from a copy to a format that doesn't inheretly lend itself to being copied an unknown number of times- whereas there's actually a question of how many times copyright infringement happens to a file in a share folder- but they get much less for a shared folder collection...?
I was under the impression that the burden of proof lies with the plaintiff.
But then again, I was also under the impression that the best way to make money is to sell things to your customers instead of sue them, so call me old fasioned.
TFA: Its time for a new approach - time for ISPs to start taking responsibility for the content theyve profited from for years. I, for one, would not have an internet connection if it weren't for all those illegal downloads. Clearly verizon is proffiting off of illegal downloads.
Wait! Why stop there? Creative Labs made my speakers and sound card! They're the ones enabling my illegal habits! Get 'em! It's about time they stop profitting of the backs of hardworking musicians. They didn't write ANY of the music! Oh and for god's sake can we please start charging Microsoft for allowing us to even install these P2P apps? For the longest time, Microsoft has profitted off the backs of artists by allowing this filth to be installed on their operating system!
And so on and so on. Seriously, grandpa, stop bitching, you're making your band look bad.
Aside from that, Paul continues to show his disconnection from reality by using Radiohead's example. Radiohead made far more money distributing it this way than they ever did with a record label. His entire speech was nothing more than a "oh noes! Please help me save our dying business model."
Talk about profitting off the backs of other's work- he's using U2's name (and website) to push his agenda!
Yeah, My guess is even with this court order, all they need for authorization is an opt out mail that has a timeout of 1 month. If you choose not to read your junk mail carefully, you silently consent to all sorts of horrid things. And for some- maybe they never even get the letter...
I'm going to patent writing data to hard drives, and make millions off this system in the name of progress.