Duke Nukem Forever 'Confirmed' For Late 2008

An anonymous reader writes "A Dallas newspaper is claiming that the long-in-development title Duke Nukem Forever is headed for retail release in late 2008. Unfortunately, game creator 3D Realms says that's not exactly what they meant. 'What the modest Texas newspaper actually seems to suggest is that 3D Realms is "on target" to release the mythical sequel sometime this year, though company president Scott Miller adds, "we may miss the mark by a month or two" (wink, wink). Miller also hinted that "hitting the big three" (in this case, PC, Xbox 360 and PS3) is the obvious development strategy, but he continued to stress that 3D Realms has not "formally announced any platforms for DNF."'"

Comments

It's not even funny anymore

[shawn(at)fsu]

Now it's just sad.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[mrxak]

"Mythical sequel" indeed. I won't believe any stories about DNF until I see the game on shelves.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[rmadmin]

In SCCA Autocross, DNF stands for "did not finish". I find that humorous.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[cytg.net]

Sad ? Thats just blasphemy, thou shall be modded down till you divide by zero and your account be flushed to /dev/null. Duke Nukem dont get sad, he gets mad!
And dammit i'll play that game .. if i have to code it myself!!!

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[renegadesx]

Here here, 10 years we have been hearing 'its coming, trust us, believe us it's comming'
I want to see it us much as anyone else but something tells me its going to get a total rewrite using the Crysis engine and we will be told 2010, then some other engine and so on

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[geeber]

It's not sad, it's GREAT news. After all there is a serious dearth of 3d shooters out on the market!

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[abaddononion]

Which you will.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[Crucial]

I'm kind of surprised some group hasn't started an open-source project to satisfy people like this.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[cytg.net]

much like the "whatcouldpossiblegowrong" tag was invented for people like you two ? ;) .. settle the fck down, both of you. Its an order.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[PitaBred]

Ummm.... they have. It's Duke Nukem 3D for modern computers. Just an upgraded engine, not a new game.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[cp.tar]

The shelves? Bah.

They could be on the shelves on April 1, for all that I know.

No. I'll believe it when I see it.
In my computer, installed, running, kicking ass and chewing bubble gum.

BTW, d'you think it'll run on Linux?

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[Cederic]

Isn't he all out of gum?

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[cp.tar]

I should hope that the developers provided him with some.

I mean, he had to do something while waiting for them to finish...

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[Doug Neal]

Isn't he all out of gum? No, in DNF he will be all out of ass. The game will mostly consist of simulated gum-chewing.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[fizzup]

I want to mod you "+1 Sad".

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[TheSpoom]

And at this point, please do. :^D

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[nanostuff]

we may miss the mark by a month or two You heard it here first people, it's going to be delayed.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[nedder]

Fool me 630 times......won't get, won't get fooled again.

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[DiEx-15]

It's like that old joke - "What happened when the Easter Bunny played Duke Nukem Forever? Answer - Nothing because neither exist!"

Re:It's not even funny anymore

[kehren77]

Nah. Still funny.

Nope, still vaporware

[FredFredrickson]

Nopers, still vaporware. http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51163

Seriously people, 3D Realms told us time, and time again. They will announce it on their site when it's real. Stop falling for this.

That being said, this still made my heart skip a beat.. or four

Re:Nope, still vaporware

[Anonymous Coward]

For some reason this reminds of that skit (Benny Hill?) where a Britain is arguing that his country is going to launch a sneak attack on the 'colonies'. When confronted with the fact that the war has been over for 200 years he says "Pretty sneaky, huh?"

I would love to see the skit redone with DNF claiming this was all just a 'pretty sneaky' marketing campaign.

Re:Nope, still vaporware

[TheHorse13]

I've said it once and I'll say it again... No Charlie Brown, I won't pull the football away this time...

Re:Nope, still vaporware

[Lord Ender]

I beat myself in a game of tic tac toe yesterday, so something like this was bound to happen.

Re:Nope, still vaporware

[Anonymous Coward]

A person who lives in Britain is called a "Briton", not a "Britain". </grammarnazi>

Re:Nope, still vaporware

[Anonymous Coward]

A developer friend of mine at 3D Realms has privately confided to me that Duke Nukem Forever is being coded in Perl 6, so draw your own conclusions...

What a coincidence.

[jellomizer]

That is the time I am expected to finish solving the Towers of Henoi by hand...

Re:What a coincidence.

[Anonymous Coward]

For what value of N?

Re:What a coincidence.

[Anonymous Coward]

64, of course.

Re:What a coincidence.

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought the air force solved the Towers of Hanoi problem at the end of the sixties, with a squadron of B52's and some wild weasels...

12 Years

[aphxtwn]

Are the people who played this game 12 years ago still playing video games now?

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

Are the people who played this game 12 years ago still playing video games now? Yes.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

12 years ago I was 15.

As far as gaming goes, I'm just hitting my prime.

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

I'm 25 now, I still play video games, and I played the original Duke Nukem 3D, along with other classics such as Doom I & II, zork, and all those old Sierra adventure games. I'm also engaged right now with a wedding date set for November, and I have a rather nice full time job that pays the bills. Saying or implying anyone over the age of 24 that plays video games has something wrong with them is rather narrow minded. Admittedly I don't play as much as I once did, but I do get a few hours a week in on average.

Re:12 Years

[Toonol]

Don't forget all the thirty year olds that moved on, got married, started families, got divorced, lost their kids, and now sit alone in a dark house playing videogames, trying to recapture the feeling of their youth, before their spirit was crushed.

Re:12 Years

[nickj6282]

I'm 25, married, have a son, and a baby on the way. When my son and I are not playing Lego Star Wars together, I play plenty of M-rated games. I also regularly bring my DS to work with me for something to do on my downtime. Right now my gamerscore is at a modest 5970 but I'm hoping to surpass 10,000 by the end of the winter. Got any other short-sighted blanket-statements to make?

I regularly go to LAN parties with other grown adults who also have jobs/families/spouses and we have a great time playing Halo 3, COD4, and Guitar Hero. I know that I'm not alone, even among the non-slashdot crowd.

I hate to quote statistics when I can't find the link, but perhaps someone else can point me in the right direction. Anyways, the average gamer is over 18. 24 is far from the "high" age range. Anyone who is 30 today was about 5 years old when the NES came out and revolutionized home gaming. Most of the people who grew up gaming still find it to be a perfectly acceptable thing to do as an adult. When games are sixty bucks a pop you practically need the patience and the bank account of an adult to properly research and purchase them.

Re:12 Years

[heinousjay]

What about the 30 year olds who still live in their parent's basement, post anonymously on Slashdot, and rip into other people for the faults they see in themselves?

Re:12 Years

[dlZ]

I'm 25 now, I still play video games, and I played the original Duke Nukem 3D, along with other classics such as Doom I & II, zork, and all those old Sierra adventure games. I'm also engaged right now with a wedding date set for November, and I have a rather nice full time job that pays the bills. Saying or implying anyone over the age of 24 that plays video games has something wrong with them is rather narrow minded. Admittedly I don't play as much as I once did, but I do get a few hours a week in on average.

I'm 29 and still game. I have the whole family, house, and job thing going on, but still find some time to game (not as much as 20 years ago, obviously.) My better half has actually started gaming again, too, which she hasn't done since she was a little girl (she still had her original NES, which works amazing.) We tend to mostly play Wii games together, but she has a DS and I have a ton of other systems (360, PS2, DC, whatever else is in the cellar I haven't dug out since our move.) All the gamers I grew up with still game, and my mother is even still a gamer (and obviously much older than either of us.) I don't think age has a thing to do with it.

Re:12 Years

[hedwards]

Same here, for whatever reason my reflexes are so much better now than 12 years ago when I was 15.

I'll admit it, I installed dosbox recently just to play the demo for keen4 which I played when it was still more or less new. When I get around to it I'll look into playing the original Dukenukem sidescrollers and possibly the FPS.

If people older than 25 play games less than those under, it probably has more to do with remembering what good games are and actually having played them. That's not to say that there are none now, but we are in the middle of a period of over saturation.

You can't really make games like a lot of the ones from when I was really playing any longer. And it isn't the quality or the actual gameplay aspects, it's the fact that you can't sell a game with cartoonish characters in the cut scenes and have lines like: "Well that ain't my belly button" "'Tain't my finger neither."

As for DNF I won't believe that they have anything at all until I can play the demo, at which point I will accept that they have a demo and refuse to believe in the game until it's in my hands on my computer and I've beaten the entire game.

I kind of hate to say it but yutzes like the Focus on the Family and Jack Thompson have done a really good job at destroying the game playing experience.

Re:12 Years

[malkavian]

I played games on a computer 30 years ago.. And still play now..
Interestingly, Nintendo noticed that there was a tendancy for companies to market to the under 25 market.. And chose to open up the Wii to the older population segment.. And it seems to be doing rather well for that..

Re:12 Years

[ucblockhead]

Yes. I spent many, many hours playing Duke single player, then playing online over the now long dead TEN network. I played it pretty constantly for around a year. Hell, when I played it, I'd already been playing video games for ten years. I have been playing since the days of Castle Wolfenstein. (And no, I do not mean the game from id that was the first fps.) The first console I ever had was a pong set my parents bought new when I was twelve. That was thirty years ago.

Last night, I spent an hour playing Pixel Junk Monsters, than a couple running through Half-life 2. (I played the original on the PC, but figured I'd make another run to get used to console controls.)

Not that I am at all holding my breath for this. In 1998 I might have been interested. Now there's too many other games that are actually sitting on my desk to worry about vaporware. (The nice thing about being a 40+ year old gamer is that I have the disposable income to get pretty much whatever I want.)

Re:12 Years

[provigilman]

Pretty much ditto for me, minus the kid...haven't gotten around to that particular slice of the American Pie yet. I'm probably the second youngest guy on my XBL friends list, almost everyone on there is over 30. There's a LOT of older gamers out there, and there are more and more of them every day.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

Absolutely failed troll-fu.

Re:12 Years

[Nimey]

Sonny, I've been playing video games since I was two, and I'm 28 now.

Get off my lawn.

Re:12 Years

[akirapill]

It doesn't matter. With the dubious honor of being the undisputed king of vaporware, DNF has achieved such a legendary cult status in its own right that today's gamers will snap it up just to see what all the hype is about. Will they sell enough units to cover 10+ years of development costs? Not likely. But for video games, the old axiom rings true: all publicity is good publicity.

Re:12 Years

[_Pablo]

I (36, Married, 2 kids) play in a clan where the minimum age is 25 and the oldest players are in their sixties. We have around a hundred members signed up (even a few of the fairer sex) with a good portion of them playing regularly (few nights a week).

The clan plays just about anything with COD4 being the current favorite (30 people in the COD4 channel last night) - so if DNF actually turns out to be even remotely worth the wait with a good multiplayer element then I am pretty sure it'll get played.

I'll wager there will be quite a few 30+ gamers slapping down their cash (or firing up their torrent for evaluation purposes) to see what 12 years of development has done (and what pixel shader lap dancers look like :P).

Re:12 Years

[urcreepyneighbor]

12 years ago wtf? I just played DN3D a couple days ago. Jeesh.

Some of us haven't moved on with our lives, you know!

Re:12 Years

[enderjsv]

Wow, you're kind of a jerk, aren't you? How's that working out for you?

Truthfully, though, I've grown accustom to the ignorant, contemptuous perspectives of the nongaming community towards my preferential hobby. For some reason, it's impossible for most non-gamers to accept the possibility that a mature, responsible individual could get as much enjoyment out of a well-made videogame as others do from books, movies or television.

I don't really understand where this stereotype comes from, since most of the gamers I know are neither children nor immature twenty-somethings smoking pot in their parent's basements at 2 in the afternoon. I, myself, am 26, have a B.S. in computer science and make a pretty good living as a web programmer for a reputable engineering company. As for your remarks about a gamer's probable love-life... GOD you're ignorant. I don't know what else to say about that. I'm sure an AC forum troll like you gets all kinds of pussy. Chicks dig flamebait, so how could anyone else compete? I'm routinely satisfied, though, if you know what I mean.

I guess what it comes down to is your preference. Some people prefer an interactive form of entertainment. Other people prefer to post retarded comments as anonymous cowards for the sad little thrill of drawing attention to themselves. Everyone has their hobbies. If you're lucky, you'll enjoy yours half as much as I enjoy mine.

Re:12 Years

[aphxtwn]

"Got any other short-sighted blanket-statements to make?" i'm just asking a question. no need to be derisive.

Re:12 Years

[aphxtwn]

i've been playing video games for a long time as well, but i don't play video games like i used to. commodore 64, atari, vectrex, 360, ps3, etc. i used to play duke nukem a long time ago, but i only consider myself a gamer because i have the latest consoles.

Re:12 Years

[rk]

His reply was aimed at someone who responded to your post, not your post directly. And it was a fair characterization to make.

FWIW, I'm 40, my wife's 38, and I have a son who is 15. And all three of us are working on hatching a plan to break into Blizzard's offices and horking a developer copy of StarCraft II. :-) We're just one big ol' gamer geek family. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Re:12 Years

[halivar]

I'm 28 and still game. Well, I mean, I don't have a family or anything. Or a girlfriend. I mean, I got a cool blood-elf paladin named Crimsonja; does that stand for anything?

But, you know.... if I *did* have a family... uhh... I would... umm...

Oh, jeez. I am so alone^H^H^H^H^Hutterly alone. I'm gonna go sulk with Crimsonja.

Re:12 Years

[aphxtwn]

my mistake. i work with a lot of older people who play as well. goodness knows a few years ago, before i lost some interest in video games, i was responsible for helping a grandma i worked with become addicted to world of warcraft. what i was trying to say by asking that question is that 3d realms, hoping to score on the popularity of the franchise, may be missing the mark (aside from the empty promises) by losing people that turn away from games. the past audience 3d realms could have used sentimentality on may have changed or become disinterested. now they're going to have a hard sell to a larger group of gamers who don't know the franchise who will judge the game by the technical and gameplay merits.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, we're still around, thankyouverymuch. Now, will this run on my 80486? Can anyone tell me that?

Re:12 Years

[lucifig]

Do people that are 25 and play classic games such as Doom I & II, and zork have the ability to recognize a joke.

Re:12 Years

[rk]

Yeah, your question was totally valid and I agree with you. My son is a gamer and I had to explain the "Duke Nukem Forever" joke to him, since the last Duke Nukem game came out when he was three.

Re:12 Years

[Tribbin]

"the original Duke Nukem 3D"

Say what?

This is Duke Nukem 2:

http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/dnukem2.gif

Does anybody have a picture of the 'Original(c)'?

Re:12 Years

[SimonInOz]

How do you play Duke Nukem 3d? It won't even run on current OSes. Do you have an 12 year old machine as well?

(Actually if there's an easy way I might try it ...)

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

If people older than 25 play games less than those under, it probably has more to do with remembering what good games are and actually having played them. That's not to say that there are none now, but we are in the middle of a period of over saturation. At least in my case it has more to do with just not having the free time I used to. Back in my high school days I had plenty of free time, so much so that I had a couple programming projects I worked on, in addition to getting well over 20 hours of video game playing in a week. These days, between spending time with my fiancee, work, and dealing with chores around the house I really just don't have that much time left over. What's more, I have several books I've been meaning to read, and a project I really want to work on, so there are a few games that although I've wanted to spend some time on them, they've been put on the back burner and I only get a chance to play them for a couple hours every few weeks. Makes we wish we could really add a blernsday in the middle of the week just to have more time to get caught up on things.

Re:12 Years

[smurgy]

I played the original Duke Nukem. And yes.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

You qualify for free poster Hope

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

Yes, but only funny ones. In the case of the GP post, if it is a joke, it's most certainly not a funny one. Try looking at it again, there's nothing at all in the post to suggest it was intended as a joke.

Re:12 Years

[sootman]

I'm 25 now, I still play video games, and I played the original Duke Nukem 3D...

Which, according to Wikipedia, came out 12 years ago and the sequel was announced 11 years ago. So you were 13 or 14 when you were playing. In that 12 years, you've (I presume) graduated high school and (probably) college, gotten into a nice job, and will soon be married. And in that same time, 3DR has been unable to release DNF. I wonder how many people work there who have aged from 22 to 33 and are now thinking "I've spent a third of my life on this?!?"

I remember playing DN3D in late 1996, a year and change after graduating from college. (I also remember downloading the many-MB demo over 28.8.) That year I started working at the company where I am still employed. In that time, my salary has roughly doubled, I got married, had a baby, and own a house.

Re:12 Years

[Hatta]

Duke3d works great under dosbox. It works even better if you replace the dos4gw extender with dos32a. If you want fancy 3d accelerated graphics, there's eduke32.

It's still a lot of fun after all these years.

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

How do you play Duke Nukem 3d? It won't even run on current OSes. Do you have an 12 year old machine as well? Wasn't saying I play it now, just that I played it when it first came out, and that I still do play video games.

Re:12 Years

[Gilmoure]

Her cups and gloves both look too big for her. Sigh.

Re:12 Years

[WormholeFiend]

Sonny, I've been playing video games since I was two, and I'm 28 now.

Get off my lawn.

You had video games?

Luxury.

Re:12 Years

[Beardo the Bearded]

Yes.

I played the original Duke Nukem and it sequel, Duke Nukem II. I got 3D (and Crusader: No Remorse) as a birthday present from my girlfriend at the time (she's now my wife). I am married (to a wonderful woman, a gaming geek) and we've got two kids. The oldest is 4 (today is her birthday). On the weekend, we're going to let her buy her very own Wii game. Yes, she plays Wii and can play by herself, including changing disks and changing the TV to the "Game" input.

I'm 31 years old. I have a degree, a job, a car (paid cash) and a house (with a mortgage, of course). When I hang out in the basement, it's MY basement.

I still play games, of course, and I split my time between the Wii, a borrowed XBox, PC games* and board games. I also play DnD once a week. I play violent games as well, including the GTA series and the upcoming No More Heroes. (Canadian release date is Feb 8) I've enjoyed Burnout quite a lot, and I'm disappointed that there's no upcoming Wii release.

My other hobbies include SCUBA diving and biking.

*I'm pretty much done with PC gaming, simply because I vowed that I'd never buy another video card again. Like the PvP comic, I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade my system so it can be obsolete in a year.

Re:12 Years

[SimonInOz]

Go the Duke! Duke Nukem forever! (oh, sorry)

Re:12 Years

[Lord Ender]

Wow. You're out of touch. The average age of video gamers is somewhere around thirty. Any Wall Street analyst will tell you this. That's why video game stocks have taken off recently. Games aren't just for kids anymore. Adults with big incomes have jumped in to the scene with both feet.

Of course, if you played at all, you would know this without Well Street's studies. Nine out of ten voices you hear on Team Fortress 2 VoIP are clearly those of adults.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

yup

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

(playing harmonica @ riding my epic flying mount) And its sooo true the divorced with a kid and child support payment bluesss ohhh yeahhh!
Playing wow (for the horde), and NCAA 2k7.

Re:12 Years

[tixxit]

12 years? Guess I was 10 when I was playing the original DN3D. There was no rating system back then so its OK. Anyways, 22 now, love video games still. No kids, though I am engaged.

Re:12 Years

[xtracto]

and now sit alone in a dark house playing videogames, trying to recapture the feeling of their youth, before their spirit was crushed.
Actually, they are playing World of Warcraft

Re:12 Years

[PitaBred]

http://hrp.duke4.net/

Have fun. If you have your original or Atomic Edition disc, or can find a copy, I can guarantee you that it works perfectly fine running natively under XP (Duke3D plays decently on a X300 mobile at 1400x1050, it plays good at 1024x768).

Re:12 Years

[houghi]

Modded insightfull. Only on /.

Re:12 Years

[King_TJ]

Heh.... I'm 36 and I actually have my kid full-time, post-divorce. But otherwise, sure - that'd be me. If I actually get a break from taking care of the kid and I'm not working, you can bet I'm trying to find some time to sit alone in a dark house, playing some PS3 game or computer game! It's a nice way to unwind a little bit, and get away from household chores and everything else you're usually stuck doing.

It'd be even better if my current g/f was into more games herself, but unfortunately, she tends to play the latest "PopCap" type games... Dress Shop, Diner Dash, etc. etc. Not exactly my thing. She did get into the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games, but frankly, *I* suck at those (even though I had a lot of fun playing the first 3 of so that came out, back in the day).

Re:12 Years

[Kamokazi]

Oh yeah...even more than before.

Re:12 Years

[PitaBred]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there have always been crappy games. It's just that we forget the bad ones, remember the good ones, and move on. The past is never as rosy as you'd like to think it was ;) That's as true for cars, kids respecting elders and writing skills as it is with video games.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

talk about an insensitive clod!

Re:12 Years

[Jerry Smith]

Huh? You're on /. as well?! Then... who's watching the children!?

Re:12 Years

[ynososiduts]

I'm 18 now, have gotten laid in the past week, and the first games I ever played were the side scrolling Duke Nukems on MS-DOS. I moved on to Doom and Wolfenstein 3D. By the time I was 6 my parents realized that I was desensitized to violence and decided to hold off on the violent video games until I was 10 (so no Duke Nukem 3D for me). So, I am an original player, and look foward to the release of a new Duke Nukem.

Re:12 Years

[vimh42]

Yes. And I honestly look forward to the games release. Yeah, my wife was 'thrilled' when I started quoting lines from D3D after watching the teaser and describing some of the events from the game.

Re:12 Years

[orclevegam]

Well, to be fair they've spent ~1/10 of their life on DNF. A more likely thought would be, "I'm a third of the way through my life and this is all I have to show for it?" Of course, this also assumes that the same people are still working on it. Maybe they use it as a hazing thing or something, all the new programmers they bring on spend 6 months or a year working on DNF then get put on a project likely to see the light of day sometime in the next 3 years.

Doesn't seem like it's been that long though. I can still remember playing DN3D with my neighbor doing deathmatch games. Used to love that hologram projector in deathmatch games. Speaking of old FPS titles, anyone still remember Rise of The Triad? Think I still have a copy of the ultimate pack of that somewhere. Dog mode has got to be one of the wackiest but also coolest FPS power ups ever.

Re:12 Years

[chanda3199]

I played the original when it was new. Also, good call...I am currently 30 years old. I still am an active video game player. I have a wife and a kid. I'm raising my daughter to be a gamer as well. Somehow I doubt that I am the exception that proves the rule.

Re:12 Years

[_Pablo]

The married part covers the "who's watching the children!?". If the kids are not asleep, then the gaming is confined to the Wii anyway.

Re:12 Years

[badfrogw00tz]

Yes. Lots of them.

Re:12 Years

[EntropyXP]

*I'm pretty much done with PC gaming, simply because I vowed that I'd never buy another video card again. Like the PvP comic, I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars to upgrade my system so it can be obsolete in a year. I play COD4, World of Warcraft, World in Conflict and many others on a AMD 2000+ and an Nvidia 6600. This sytem sells for less than $150 on my local classified ads and I've had the processor for over 4 years. That is significantly less than ANY of the gaming platforms out there. Now granted, if you want the latest and greatest and want to play Crysis at over 30+ FPS then you're going to need one helluva computer. But most games run just fine on older hardware.

Re:12 Years

[ethanms]

I'm also engaged right now with a wedding date set for November, and I have a rather nice full time job that pays the bills. Saying or implying anyone over the age of 24 that plays video games has something wrong with them is rather narrow minded Defensive much? :^) /29 //plays video games daily ///with 10's of other friends same age who also play

Re:12 Years

[apoc.famine]

Out of curiosity, who is your clan? I've been lazing around a small, primarily UT, but occasionally WC3 clan, with a similar age range. Although there are only about ten or so of us actually active at any one time. We're pretty much a non-windows group, so I'm not thinking about immediately switching, but I'm curious who you are.

Re:12 Years

[unrealmp3]

I do, and now on multiple systems. DOSBox, Windows/Linux ports, Nintendo DS. This is a CLASSIC you are talking about.

Re:12 Years

[PachmanP]

You had video games?
Luxury.
Luxury had nothing to do with it! It was all about hard work. When I was young we had empty coke bottles fished out of the trash can to make transistors. Then strung em all together to emulate a C64! 5.25 FOOT "floppies" made of stone that we had to chisel the bits into by hand to program the game!
now
GET OFF MY LAWN!

Re:12 Years

[Beardo the Bearded]

I've got a P4 1.8, 512MB RAM, and a Radeon9200. That card was what did me in. I got hosed by the marketing department fucking with the numbers, just like when I bought my old Geforce2...MX. See, MX was ATI's "awesome" line, but NVidia's "crappy" line.

Anyway, my system is enough for NWN, GTA:VC / SA, and others. So yeah, I do play some PC games, but it's going to end once I get antiquated.

Like the Penny Arcade comic says - the consoles are just easier.

Re:12 Years

[krotkruton]

You acknowledge the poster is a troll, but then go on to argue with his post. Stop feeding the trolls. Most of these posters don't even have any real opinion on the subject, they just try to find the perfect post that will garner the greatest number of angry responses without being so outlandish that everyone recognizes it for what it is: flamebait.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

Its been to long for me since I gamed (29). For me innovation in FPS stopped right after quake & dukenukem - nothing but a tiring string of quake mods followed. Duke Nukem could possibly be one of those games I actually give more than 5 minutes of my time, but rather than wait on Vapourware I will just enjoy GTA4 when it comes out.

Re:12 Years

[enderjsv]

Yeah, you're right. I usually don't bite, but I'm weak sometimes.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm 29 and still game.

Ooh, well, 29 are we? You have led a rich and full gaming life.

When I was your age, VGA was really taking over from EGA. I remember when Pong came out. I remember getting a spanking new Atari 2600. I remember the move from 8 bit to 16 bit microprocessors. I remember when not a damn one of my friends or relatives had an email address, or knew what software was.

And let me tell you, nothing has changed, either. When I kicked ass down at the arcade in the 1970s, there was a nine year old calling me a faggot. And last night in Halo3 when I blew up a warthog with three guys in it, unlocking the "Used Car Salesman" achievement, there were nine year olds calling me a faggot as well.

Stupid noobs.

Re:12 Years

[sootman]

LOVED RoTT. :-) Except that my roomie's 486 would often lock up in Dog mode--arf arf ARF-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F--frozen image, stuttering sound. That was the first game I played over a network. We didn't have ethernet back then, and not a long enough null modem cable to reach between the rooms, but we did have 2 phone lines in the house so we used modems. :-)

Re:12 Years

[BrookHarty]

I resemble that comment. I'm even BBS'ing again. :P

Re:12 Years

[Origian]

Actually, they moderate Slashdot.

Re:12 Years

[Antique Geekmeister]

I am.

Re:12 Years

[bitrex]

After developing an unknown and so far incurable neurological disease a few years back, I started playing video games again at the age of 30 as I didn't have much to do after my family and friends moved on with their lives and were not a part of mine anymore. I don't feel I'm trying to recapture my youth exactly - but games have been a blessing in their ability to distract me from suffering and help regain some of the cognitive function I've lost.

Re:12 Years

[krotkruton]

And I usually don't bother to read the replies to the trolls for the same reasons, but I'm weak sometimes too.

Re:12 Years

[discHead]

Don't underestimate the fanaticism of old-school video gamers. Rumor has it that the record-breaking game of Asteroids begun in 1983 is still in progress.

Re:12 Years

[goose-incarnated]

I'm 25 now, I still play video games, and I played the original Duke Nukem 3D, along with other classics such as Doom I & II, zork, and all those old Sierra adventure games. I'm also engaged right now with a wedding date set for November, and I have a rather nice full time job that pays the bills. Saying or implying anyone over the age of 24 that plays video games has something wrong with them is rather narrow minded. Admittedly I don't play as much as I once did, but I do get a few hours a week in on average.

I'm 29 and still game. I have the whole family, house, and job thing going on, but still find some time to game (not as much as 20 years ago, obviously.) My better half has actually started gaming again, too, which she hasn't done since she was a little girl (she still had her original NES, which works amazing.) We tend to mostly play Wii games together, but she has a DS and I have a ton of other systems (360, PS2, DC, whatever else is in the cellar I haven't dug out since our move.) All the gamers I grew up with still game, and my mother is even still a gamer (and obviously much older than either of us.) I don't think age has a thing to do with it.

Uh, yeah ... I'm early thirties, have got a considerably younger hot[1] wife and have had sex 3 times in the last 3 days ...

Obviously, this leaves less time for gaming - but I know what I'd rather be doing :-)

All men regard their wives as "hot" - if they didn't, they wouldn't have married them, no?

Re:12 Years

[KDR_11k]

I wish people wouldn't make up silly joke reviews like that last one to describe bad games. Reviews like that could probably make Super Mario Bros 3 look like the worst game ever.

Re:12 Years

[KDR_11k]

When I was young we had the patience to wait for the hardware to become obsolete and then buy it for a pittance with a crapload of software included.

Re:12 Years

[ildon]

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arygos&n=Crimsonja
Level faster newb!

Re:12 Years

[ildon]

[30+] is letting 25 year olds in now? Shit, that makes me feel old.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm over 30, and you have no business saying what I should be doing with my life.

I don't have kids, and I don't want kids.

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

I beat you: I'll be 32 in couple of weeks and I don't have a fucking girlfriend or whatever.

But still, I beat the Serpent of Chaos and Morgoth in ironman last week at Zangband, so now I'm fully geared to go outside and find The One. And if she refuses me, she'll end up as a *band monster like all the others. Bitches!!!

Re:12 Years

[dave420]

Can you see through my window or something? Is that you making noises in the bushes?

Re:12 Years

[_Pablo]

http://www.snrclan.com/

Re:12 Years

[_Pablo]

Whilst I felt my post and the parent contained enough information to define what the ages 25 and 30+ were refering to, let me clarify these figurers especially for you.

25 years is the minimum age of members in the clan - which suggests that there an age range of 25 to infinity.
30+ years refers to the age of someone who legally played the original Duke Nukem:

        Year of release = 1996
        Current year = 2008
        Minimum age required to legally play Duke Nukem = 18
        Maximum age required to legally play Duke Nukem = infinity
        Years since Duke Nukem release = Current Year - Year of release = 2008 - 1996 = 12 years
        Current minimum age of a Duke Nukem player = Minimum age required to legally play Duke Nukem + Years since Duke Nukem release = 18 + 12 = 30
        Current maximum age of a Duke Nukem player = Maximum age required to legally play Duke Nukem + Years since Duke Nukem release = infinity + 12 = infinity

So 30+ seems good to me. I'm sure a catamite will tell us that their "daddy" let them play Duke Nukem when they were 8 or something but who cares.

Re:12 Years

[halivar]

LOL! You got me!

Re:12 Years

[VillageDolt]

Dude, even when you get married and stay married your spirit can be crushed. Don't ask me how I know. Also, pr0n recaptures my youth way better than games!

Re:12 Years

[Anonymous Coward]

Great, you made me sad.

Re:12 Years

[nicomede]

I must admit I'm 37... And I know I've been playing too much Half-Life 2 when my eldest daughter (9) bangs and trashes around the house with a stick and says "Just like Dad"... Seriously, I work as an engineer for a big automotive company and smashing zombies in Half-Life 2 is the only means to avoid smashing them in real life during pointless meetings and ending in jail.

Re:12 Years

[XPACT]

As a matter of fact I played Duke Nukem with my kid last night. Of course it was the HRP (High Resolution Pack). It still kicks ass, betther then Doom3, I hope the developers in 3D Realms are not going to make something stupid like the last Doom game, where all of the gameplay was in dark rooms

Re:12 Years

[geekoid]

Not only are we playing now, some of use were playing video games 20 years before then.

1st Gen Gamer FTW!

Re:12 Years

[geekoid]

I'm 43 and I have heard this since '77. It's really pathetic. Sure some people played in there parents basement or garage, but they where in high school, where else would they go?

Hell, I'm pretty sure I was younger when I got laid them most people who claim gamers have no sex life did.

Oh well, Nice Job, Wonderful Wife, two great kids, a house, and enough money to afford great games and play them with some fun people. Hey! I Win! Woot!

Re:12 Years

[OMNIpotusCOM]

...and masturbate. A lot.

Re:12 Years

[cttforsale]

I'm still stuck at the top of the building. WTF are you supposed to do now? Help me INTERNETS!

Better late than never.

[brokenhorse]

Sheesh. Better late than never. Let's hope that Spore doesn't take this long.

Re:Better late than never.

[archammer2]

Wow. I'd almost forgotten about Spore.
Maybe that's why I didn't forget Duke Nukem Forever: every so often there's a report that it's "coming soon".

Obligatory quote: "Gamers have short attention spans. At least, that's what the guy at the video store tells me."

Ooh! Can't wait to play it...

[OglinTatas]

on my Infinuim Phantom console!

Hahha, GO 3drealms!

[Eric(b0mb)Dennis]

This will go down as the greatest joke in gaming history.

I can't wait for the actual game to come out, for an amazingly low price! Gamers pop it into their ready computer, suddenly a huge picture of duke comes up with the oh so famous "I've got balls of steel" soundclip, follow by a picture of those at 3drealms.

After this is done, it will immediately be followed by Rick Astley's newest single.

Re:Hahha, GO 3drealms!

[framauro13]

No Mod points, so you get a +1 Funny reply.

Makes me think of this XKCD comic not too long ago: Trolling

Re:Hahha, GO 3drealms!

[snarfies]

I see what you did there.

Re:Hahha, GO 3drealms!

[Lord Ender]

You say that like it was a joke. I know for a fact 3DRealms is going to publish this game sooner, rather than later. Just last week, I was walking past the 3DRealms development office in west Philidelphia. I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say this cab is rare, but I thought 'Nah, forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'

well

[User 956]

Duke Nukem Forever 'Confirmed' For Late 2008

Damn. Development on that took forever.

Re:well

[jbeaupre]

He noted that wasn't quite what he said. Maybe he said "Duke Nukem 2008 'confirmed' for late forever."

are they serious?

[pxlmusic]

Fail.

Forver

[whtmarker]

Don't hold your breath, you just might be holding it 'Forever'.

Production hit a snag

[markov_chain]

The game has gone gold, but they are still waiting for their Moller to fly the master over to the factory.

In related news...

[djones101]

A press release from the White House recently stated that Hell hath frozen over. Spokesmen close to the President hail this as a significant advance in the war against terror.

Re:In related news...

[enderjsv]

In other news, an American Airlines commercial airliner crashed just outside of Dallas today after colliding with a flock of flying pigs. Officials are uncertain whether the pigs were members of a terrorist cell organization, or simply the result of Duke Nukem's announced release. We'll keep you posted.

Re:In related news...

[Anonymous Coward]

No, the flying pigs were part of a promotional stunt for Pink Floyd's reunion tour.

Re:In related news...

[kb0hae]

Uh Dude...there Really IS a town in Iceland named Hell...and it freezes over nearly every year!

If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?

Re:In related news...

[Loibisch]

A press release from the White House recently stated that Hell hath frozen over. Spokesmen close to the President hail this as a significant advance in the war against terror. It's more like:
A press release from the White House recently stated that Hell hath frozen over. Spokesmen close to the President were quoted to have said "we're all all now wearing our winter jackets".

Re:In related news...

[djones101]

There's also one in Michigan. Your point?

Yeah

[morgan_greywolf]

Yeah, I heard it'll be released right alongside Microsoft Flight Simulator: Porcine Edition.

Re:Yeah

[loftwyr]

You know, I think that would be the first and only Flight Sim I'd ever buy.

Re:Yeah

[TheMadcapZ]

I bet the in flight meal would be fantastic, especially breakfast!

A month or two to late

[dk90406]

From RTFA

Miller added a note of caution on the 12-years-coming sequel and its release window, claiming, "we may miss the mark by a month or two, but I feel very confident that we're on target this time."

Ahh - I feel so much better now. I believe!!! Arm. No.

In ralated news...

[sm62704]

My ex-wife, Evil-X, AKA "Satan", moved to Springfield from Chatham last year, effectively making Springfield "Hell, Illinois".

It's snowing as I type this.

Does George read slashdot, I wonder? Does he still post at Planet Crap? Is Planet Crap still online even? DN4ever has taken so long I'm not only not looking 4ward to it anymore, I haven't played anything but "Road Rash" in ages. Oh wait, I played "guitar hero" with my great nephew last Christmas, that game ROCKS!

As to what took it so long, George and Charlie were waiting until their toddlers were old enough to buy it (NC17, right? Or am I thinking of movies? Damn, speaking of DN4ever I'm getting old.

I was playing Duke Nukem since he was a squeaky little side scroller. I wonder if he still has hair and teeth?

-mcgrew

PS- GET OFF MY LAWN!!

Re:In ralated news...

[sam_paris]

Dude, did you just down 10 double espressos or something?

Re:In ralated news...

[ludomancer]

I did find this clue on his webpage:

http://mcgrew.info/ArtificialInsanity.htm

Re:In ralated news...

[sam_paris]

Nice catch, next question, did he base the bot on his own insanity and is the bot responsible for the comment?

Re:In ralated news...

[sm62704]

My two remaining addictions are caffeine and pussy. I'm noit sure if the second counts, as it's really a bodily function.

What if it comes out?

[Isauq]

I think itwould be kind of tragic if did come out, actually. We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke. :(

Re:What if it comes out?

[orclevegam]

I think itwould be kind of tragic if did come out, actually. We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke. :( There's always the phantom console, but it just doesn't have that same punch that a piece of software in development for 11 years provides.

Re:What if it comes out?

[Isauq]

Well, part of the problem with that is that the Phantom was definitively canceled. 3D Realms still insists that DNF will come out. Some day.

Re:What if it comes out?

[KublaiKhan]

How 'bout Spore?

Re:What if it comes out?

[Sta7ic]

How 'bout that bug-free, crash-tolerant version of Windows they got in the works?

Re:What if it comes out?

[austin987]

GNU Hurd

Re:What if it comes out?

[moderatorrater]

I think WinFS alone has been worse than DNF myself.

Re:What if it comes out?

[TheMadcapZ]

Oh it is still coming, they set a 2011 release date. The pre-release codename is "REVODNEB" with a production name of:

"Windows: Wishful"

Re:What if it comes out?

[MobileTatsu-NJG]

I think itwould be kind of tragic if did come out, actually. We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke. :( Given the life the BSOD jokes still have, I don't think release of the game will affect that meme much.

Re:What if it comes out?

[Anonymous Coward]

"We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke."

It is a book, but as far as vaporware goes it is hard to beat "The Last Dangerous Visions."

Re:What if it comes out?

[BronsCon]

Windows DS (that Doesn't Suck).
LotD (Linux on the Desktop).
OSX on commodity hardware.

Pick one.

Re:What if it comes out?

[Lilith's Heart-shape]

It is a book, but as far as vaporware goes it is hard to beat "The Last Dangerous Visions." Dude, that was harsh. I like it.

Re:What if it comes out?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nah. We survived Vista.

Re:What if it comes out?

[noidentity]

Yes, it will be a sad day when Duke Nukem Forever is released, especially since it'll probably be some other game relabeled, kind of like what's happened with Commodore/Amiga recently.

Re:What if it comes out?

[meringuoid]

I think itwould be kind of tragic if did come out, actually. We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke.

Elite 4.

Re:What if it comes out?

[Kalriath]

There's still Starcraft Ghost (which Blizzard still insists they didn't cancel - in fact they claim to have pretty much finished it)

Re:What if it comes out?

[BlueParrot]

How about:

Competitive solar cells
Economical Fusion power

Re:What if it comes out?

[Kuros_overkill]

Nah... $10 says Ghost STILL comes out before DNF.

Re:What if it comes out?

[mog007]

We've still got Spore...

Re:What if it comes out?

[ShadowsHawk]

Spore might turn out to be a decent replacement and we'll always have the Phantom.

I ... I ... I...

[0racle]

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Noooooo!

[Slovenian6474]

Why stop now? I mean, is it Directx 10.1? If not, I'm going to be disappointed. The ONLY solution, rewrite it with the newest tech.

Worlds longest running practical joke

[orclevegam]

How can people honestly believe they're "on target" for a release this year when they haven't even nailed down which platforms they're going to be targeting? Now, with cross-platform libraries you can hit a couple of them at a time of course, but even then a certain degree of work needs to be done on the ports, plus all kinds of licensing and such. Sorry, this is the worlds longest running practical joke, and every gamer that believes anything about DNF without actually holding the finished product in their hands is just being suckered in by the joke.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[Altus]

My assumption was that they were targeting all three platforms but that, if they weren't going to get one of them done "in time" they might drop it and release for that platform later.

How is it that the "big three" platforms doesn't include the biggest selling console?

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[orclevegam]

How is it that the "big three" platforms doesn't include the biggest selling console? Well, you have to admit the Wii is a much smaller console then the other 3. It's even smaller then the previous generation of consoles, although I think it may be rather close in volume to the slim PS2.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[UID30]

Sorry, this is the worlds longest running practical joke You've obviously never been to Cleveland.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[elrous0]

The only thing they're "on target" for a this point is a huge class-action lawsuit from all the investors dumb enough to sink money in this obvious piece of vaporware over the last ten years.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[Millennium]

How is it that the "big three" platforms doesn't include the biggest selling console?

Because the biggest selling console doesn't let them do easy graphics-are-everything cash-ins.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[Altus]

Ive got no problem with them not releasing on the Wii. I'm not claiming that they should support it (especially given that they will likely never support any hardware ever).

But calling the X-box, the PC and the PS3 "the big three" is completely inaccurate and shows a real disconnect with the realities of the console market.

But hey, they have a total disconnect with the calendar and apparently with reasonable software development techniques that I shouldn't really be surprised.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[edwardpickman]

It's coming out exclusively on Playstation 4.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[prelelat]

I own a wii and love it but I will be the first one to say that I don't expect this game to come out on it. The development team has been working on the most beautiful graphics we have ever seen(apparently) and most people will tell you that the wii is as good as a gamecube for graphics. Something that is going to be graphic intensive is not going to show up on the wii. Personally I think wii games look pretty good, but I'm sure the people at 3D Realms want to make it work on a platform that can push out HD with smooth textures and great physics. People are expecting perfection on this game, for a 12 year development cycle I'm sure it's been a huge monkey on their back. To make a game innovative, they have to have a super story line and amazing graphics. Hardcore gamers(the ones who will criticize the most) will scrutinize it the most and will probably play it on a PC, 360 or PS3.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[Altus]

It has nothing to do with releasing on the Wii. I dont care if they release on the Wii... I dont expect they will ever release anything anyway.

Its about choice of words. If this guy comes out and says "we are considering the PC, the X-box and the PS3 for this release" that would be fine, but to say "THE BIG THREE" when you dont mean the single largest selling console on the market today, well your being disingenuous.

My other 2 comments on this thread have been modded as Trolls, but this clown is the one doing the trolling. Look around for his previous comments on the Wii and how it was doomed to failure. The mods here are total suckers.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[Anonymous Coward]

> easy graphics-are-everything cash-ins.

Like Mass Effect.

Enjoy your "waggle" though.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[ImpShial]

Hey! As a native Clevelander, I resent tha.....oh nevermind. *sigh* Can't really argue with you.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[houghi]

Hey, it worked for Microsoft.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[PitaBred]

I've got both. It's about the size of two slim PS2's stacked together. But I'll bet a lot of it is because of the slot loading drive that takes both Gamecube and Wii games.

Re:Worlds longest running practical joke

[prelelat]

I wouldn't have voted you troll I think you have a good point :)

Some people around here just vote down things they don't like instead of voting them correctly, when I have mod points I'll even vote up a comment I don't like if it has a point thats valid.

Anyways I do think it should be "the big 4" as people would probably buy it for the wii if they could. I hope Nintendo's next big system release will have graphics upgrades, because if they had the graphics this time they would have gotten a lot more titles like DNF and such that people would run to grab. I guess they would then have to jack the price of the system up 100-200 dollars more and they would loose all the sales for the people trying to get a cheaper system then a PS3 or 360. But a lot of the Nintendos big games still look good on the wii, like Zelda, Pokemon(seems to be a big seller anyways), and Mario series. So to have some good games they didn't really need to update it. Also developers are trying to develop for the wii now because so many units have been sold and are still selling.

I recall Metal Gear solid would have to sell to almost every PS3 owner in order to recoup their costs on development, it would be a lot easier to recoup on a system that has more owners. I think this year should be interesting as more developers are going to release for the Wii and the PS3 will have more games, 360 seems to have a consistant base at this time.

Yeah....

[Anonymous Coward]

There's a better chance of the sun turning into a bran muffin than DNF shipping this year.

DNF huh?

[PontifexMaximus]

Is it just me or has everyone else noticed that the initials of Duke Nukem Forever is DNF? Race speak for DID NOT FINISH? I wonder if that's coincidence. How's it possible this company can continue to bullshit us? Are we that stupid? This is just a sad, sad, joke. The trailer shows no real game play and had they ANY game with which to demo, they surely would have shown some of that NOW when the game itself has become a joke. This isn't massive anticipation for the game, it's gone way past that to sheer apathy for anything related to it. The bone they threw us was no bone at all.

3DRealms can just STFU about this 'game'. If the gaming community would just ignore them, don't you think they would go away?

and late for 2007

[rla3rd]

and 2006,
and 2005,
and 2004... anyone see a pattern here :)

hmmmmm...

[BillOfThePecosKind]

*cough*bullshit*cough*

scott miller and the wii

[syrinx]

I like the "big three" not including the Wii. Might want to check the sales figures again, Scott.

Scott Miller also predicted a couple years ago that the Wii would finish "a distant third" and that it could mean the end of Nintendo, or something along those lines.

It's kinda sad to see the guy who wrote the Kroz series become obsessed with graphics at the expense of gameplay. Though then again, most of Apogee's game weren't especially innovative gameplay-wise, a lot of their success at the time was based on marketing (the episodic shareware model and so on). Plus after the first few years Apogee mainly started publishing others' games (id being the most famous, but a lot of other smaller companies as well), not doing much of their own stuff. So maybe it's never really been about gameplay for him, in which case it makes perfect sense for him to advocate for the PS3.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Anonymous Coward]

The Wii is for children and old people. Duke Nukem isn't exactly aimed at the Wii's target demographic, sales numbers not withstanding.

My guess is that a much higher percentage of PS3 and 360 owners are likely to purchase DN than Wii owners.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[TheRaven64]

the wii is for hookers and fat people No wonder why it's doing so well in the US market. If I'd know that was the target demographic I'd have bought Nintendo stock before the launch.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Bobjim]

Maybe he means size? Have you seen a PS3?

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Killjoy_NL]

I see someone didn't get a Wii for christmas from old St. Nick :)

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Altus]

most people who played the original Duke Nukem are over 30 now.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Millennium]

The Wii is for everyone, as gaming should be. Yes, even insecure adolescent males.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[meringuoid]

The Wii is for children and old people.

Children, to whom Duke's incredibly juvenile character is intended to appeal. Old people, who remember Duke Nukem 3D.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Anonymous Coward]

C'mon, this is totally a pattern of graphics over gameplay; Kroz is just Zork with eye candy after all. ;)

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Anonymous Coward]

obsessed with graphics at the expense of gameplay

People keep saying how the Wii is all about the game play and not the graphics but I had a Wii and I found it to be about neither. Most of the games I played (half those available in the UK) bordered on "Daley Thompson's Decathlon" levels of depth and sophistication. The graphics on some games are worse than what was available on the Gamecube. Its all about the gimmicky controller and cutting down the games so everything can be done with hugely inaccurate pointing or a incredibly varied response to waggling. The only element of challenge in the games was caused by how wildly inconsistent the controllers can be.

Saying that my PS3 was a useless brick with nothing worth playing and I still prefer to play games on my PC than on my 360.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Mahjub Sa'aden]

Well, to be fair, he re-wrote Kroz seven times, once for every time the PC got a new colour.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Huko]

He got 3 PS3s.

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Killjoy_NL]

OMG the poor soul *sniff*

Re:scott miller and the wii

[Jeppe Salvesen]

Maybe-maybe the Wii just haven't got the juice required to juice up Duke? Or that a complete bottoms-up rewrite and re-design of all graphics is simply not worth it?

I'm no gaming developer, but I guess XBox360 and PS3 games share quite a lot of textures and 3D models. And textures and 3D models take a lof of money to develop! Is it possible to automatically downscale textures and 3D models to work on the Wii? Anyone?

Re:scott miller and the wii

[HalAtWork]

Funny because a lot of Apogee's success was due to copying Nintendo (Wacky Races, for example...)

I'm still playing.

[Lilith's Heart-shape]

I'm 29, I'm married, and I still play games. Granted, I don't spend entire weekends playing the way I did as a kid, but I still play. I doubt I'll be playing Duke Nukem Forever, though. It'll probably suck ten thousand times harder than Daikatana.

Re:Ooh! Can't wait to play it...

[quickpick]

Does that come with backwards compatibility? I was hoping to play Starcraft: Ghost on it...

No announced platforms?

[Anonymous Coward]

With less than a year left in their schedule, shouldn't they have picked a platform to develop for? What have they written so far that makes them think they can finish THIS year?

hello, anonymous submitter

[EveryNickIsTaken]

Way to completely rip this from Joystiq. Could have at least changed a few words.

And in other news....

[ChinggisK]

Hell reported record low temperatures.

yeah, right

[jollyreaper]

The day Duke Forever is released, I will be looking up at the sky to see which of the other seals of the apocalypse have broken.

Re:yeah, right

[Sonri]

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060306&mode=classic

Re:yeah, right

[spudda]

mate, I feel exactly the same and have said that the day the final Duke Nukem forever Hits the shelves I will be looking around for 4 horseman.

And see what the temperature is like in hell

Re:Ooh! Can't wait to play it...

[instantcoffe]

"Duke Nukem Forever 'Confirmed' For Late, 2008" ohhh, so they just confirmed, in 2008, that Duke is due "for late".. there, fixed that title of yours.

netcraft?

[FunkyELF]

Did netcraft confirm it?

Re:netcraft?

[Toasty16]

netcraftconfirmsit

Re:netcraft?

[rdavidson3]

And has Dorvak written an op-ed on it too?

There are lies...

[logicassasin]

... damn lies... and DNF release dates.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I will continue to feed my flying pigs.

Point of comparison

[lpangelrob]

Super Mario Galaxy took 5 years to develop. It was originally to be a Gamecube title after about 2 years of development, but obviously the extra 2-3 years spent in development were time well spent, even if it meant missing the Wii launch.

I somehow can't imagine the last 7+ years has been development time well spent.

Re:Point of comparison

[fo0bar]

And of course by 7+, you mean 11.

Re:Point of comparison

[hansamurai]

There are some more interesting comparisons, like how it took less time from Kennedy's big space speech to when we landed men on the moon, or Windows Vista development time.

Re:Point of comparison

[Cochonou]

I'm still waiting from Seeker, from The Logic Factory. It has been in development for more than 10 years. Who knows, maybe it will come out some day.

Even if it is released...

[ZonkerWilliam]

So what?! Hell, I doubt that the graphics or game play could meet the expectations of todays typical shooters!

Re:Even if it is released...

[Anne Honime]

So what?! Hell, I doubt that the graphics or game play could meet the expectations of todays typical shooters! The DN franchise is not really that about superior gameplay (but this said, the original DN3D was a major milestone in 3D games, first engine I know of allowing interaction with static objects such as mirrors and other items). DN is about intelligent storytelling. Before DN3D, 3D games had a "wow" effect (doom I), but basically you moved on shooting bigger and bigger monsters, and then you were out, ready for next level. DN3D was interesting to play because it had a plot and huge maps. Even half-life turns boring after you escape the underground facility. You hop from small planets to small planets, killing again and again. No relief. DN is all about *fun*. If DNF is half as good as DN3D, it will still be a good step forward to escape the dull landscape of look-alike games.

like stealing candy from a baby

[toastar]

Just a little Air-born it's still good, it's still good.

2008. Yes, but...

[Kozar_The_Malignant]

2008 on which calendar? I'm betting on the Islamic calendar, where the current year is 1429.

Only available on Windows 7...

[hawks5999]

There's always a catch.

SOUND THE GREAT SHOFAR!

[Eli Gottlieb]

The end is nye! Everyone scramble for your bomb shelters and tinfoil hats!

Unless, unless some brave soul can stop the release of this game... all hell will break loose and the world will end.

Won't somebody pick up a big fucking gun and stop the release of Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:SOUND THE GREAT SHOFAR!

[geekoid]

the end is Nye?
http://billnye.com/

huh, who would have thunked it.

motion sickness

[sammy baby]

I'm 25 now, I still play video games, and I played the original Duke Nukem 3D, along with other classics such as Doom I & II, zork, and all those old Sierra adventure games.

You know, it's funny - for a while, I played Duke 3d heavily. Before that, of course, I'd played Doom, and Doom 2, and Wolf 3d... Then Quake came out, and QuakeWorld, and all that good stuff, and I played them obsessively. Then I figured, "Hey, why not give Shadow Warrior a try?" (For those who don't remember, Shadow Warrior was a sprite-based 3d shooter - like Duke Nukem with throwing stars. It was also quite bad.)

I discovered that playing SW for longer than a few minutes gave me a horrible sense of motion sickness. And then a couple weeks ago, "Marathon: Durandal" was released on XBox Live. Downloaded it, started it, and felt like hurling in 5 minutes. It's ridiculous - I can't play any of those sprite-based FPS games anymore.

Thanks a ton, id Software. You quite literally ruined me for sprite based games. Assholes. ;)

(post script: I'm 34, and have been married now for ten years. Last night I played a little Call of Duty 4, and a little Burnout Paradise.)

Re:motion sickness

[Gilmoure]

I started out with Wolfenstein 3D, and then Marathon 1,2,3 (still have floppy disks). By the time I got to Quake III, I was only able to play FP games for about 20 minutes at a time. I'd get killer headaches, right behind the eyes. Now days, if I just glance at my daughter's machine when she's playing any 3d game, it's a sharp pain behind the eyes. I'm stuck playing Civ/Alpha Centauri type games.

Re:motion sickness

[sammy baby]

Really? Huh - maybe I have to rethink blaming id Software. Could just be that we're old fogies. ;)

Re:motion sickness

[ozmanjusri]

Could just be that we're old fogies. ;)

Maybe.

But I started my FPS gaming with Wolf3D, Duke 3D, and Descent, went through the Quakes and the Unreals and I'm 46. Still love a good 3D game, though I prefer ones with a good single-player mode.

I'd rate Half Life 2 as the most satifying game I've played recently.

Re:2008. Yes, but...

[Anonymous Coward]

2008 years after the birth of Christ.

Second coming, that is.

Confirm Late in 2008?

[LOTHAR, of the Hill]

Duke Nukem Forever was confirmed as late in 1998!

even their late announcement is late.

Set to fail...

[c.t.mattie]

The really sad thing is, despite how great the game may turn out to be (IF it ever gets finished) it will most likely still meet with such criticism and harshness because of the length of time to get it done! "It took them X years and look... this is all I get?"

Re:Set to fail...

[Dmala]

I will be utterly shocked if it doesn't totally suck. Valve is the only company I've ever seen who can deliver games outrageously late and still have them turn out good. Even then, their record is only 9 years for TF2. If that even counts, since the released TF2 bears no resemblance to the game they announced in '98.

Re:Set to fail...

[filterban]

Actually that's a good point. Anyone remember Daikatana? If that game doesn't epitomize this problem, I don't know what does.

let me be the first to say

[circletimessquare]

this story is a dupe ;-)

In Soviet Russia...

[Orleron]

...DNF finishes YOU.

Yes, I do!

[Anonymous Coward]

Just ask my Mom. She's downstairs making lunch.

Re:Yes, I do!

[PitaBred]

At least you aren't in the basement... that'd be really sad

Ironically....

[carnelknowledge]

.... it seems that's the same time that Spore is slated for release for the PC and MAC according to The Spore Press Release. Is "late 2008" the year for Vaporware?

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And after all of these years...

[newgalactic]

...It probably will barely even sell. Too bad

In-Game Soundtrack

[metallic]

I hear the in-game soundtrack is going to be Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy.

Re:In-Game Soundtrack

[Anonymous Coward]

Schubert's Symphony #8.

Yeah but........

[Nonillion]

Can I STILL play it on a DOS box?

mod parent up

[damn_registrars]

Sure, there's a limit to "soviet russia" joke humor, but this one is spot-on. My coworkers still don't understand wtf I was just laughing at...

Re:mod parent up

[Alexpkeaton1010]

I think Soviet Russia was still around when DNF was announced...

Re:mod parent up

[Adambomb]

April 1997?

Funny, but sadly nope =(

Re:Expectations

[FredFredrickson]

Or they could be causing confusion while developing the biggest game with the longest gameplay in the history of man kind! With so much new content and various endings that this game actually revolutionizes games as we know them...

That's an option... but I agree, it will be hard to meet expecations with this wait. Every day longer makes people's expectations grow..

Come on

[setrops]

DNF comming out in 2008, As much chance of that as Barak Obama or Hilary Clinton being elected to the presidency.

Intentional

[Xaositecte]

Sometimes I think they really have canned the Duke Nukem forever project. They just have one guy over there at 3Drealms whose job it is to come up with fake press releases once every six months or so, detailing the progress of Duke Nukem Forever. It might even be a rotation position, sorta've like a community service outreach for down and out liberal arts majors.

Hell, maybe they never even started DNF, and it's just an excuse for some kind of elaborate tax write-off?

Re:Intentional

[WormholeFiend]

Hell, maybe they never even started DNF, and it's just an excuse for some kind of elaborate tax write-off?

A tax write-off scheme might not work for that many years.

I bet it's for money laundering purposes.

Which Big Three

[Bandman]

What he really meant was the PSX, Saturn, and Nintendo's new "hush hush" next gen, Dolphin.

This 'big 3' ?

[Anonymous Coward]

the wii outsells all of those big 3..

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[LordLucless]

Yeah, I bet there are more Wiis in the world than PCs

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[Anonymous Coward]

They call it eeeeeeeeBay!

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[Oktober Sunset]

Shit PCs which can't play anything other than original Doom, no. PCs with decent graphics cards that can actually play something made this century, quite possibly.

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[LoonyMike]

There will be, when DNF is finished.

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[pan_sapiens]

the wii outsells all of those big 3 ...err .. maybe not .. unless maybe you make some distinction between 'gaming PCs' and 'business PCs'.
But the essence of your point is valid. The 'big three' are actually Xbox 360, PC and Wii, based on sales (assuming you don't count PS2, which still seems to be selling).

Yet, despite having more units in homes, developers still appear too proud or too lazy to downgrade the graphics a little for their latest 'blockbuster' and neglect to port many of these 'hardcore' games to the Wii ... which is a shame since playing FPSs with a regular control pad sucks big time ... the Wiimote is next best thing to a playing using a mouse, and at least as fun.

insert rant about the importance of gameplay, "graphics isn't everything". yadda yadda yadda

Re:This 'big 3' ?

[Moonpie Madness]

Oh, NOW graphics matter? So unless a PC is capable of Wii like graphics, it just doesn't count?

Or should we take the same logic and apply it to the 360, and only count systems that are up to its level of graphics: millions of PCs, PS3s and 360s.

Truth is, the wii is not a large source of revenue for 3rd parties. I think that can change a lot, but historically, Nintendo consoles are tougher for third parties to make a lot of money on. When you consider that a lot of new profit windows are opening up with expansion maps, players, songs, online multiplayer, even items in Home eventually, you realize that the wii is actually even more comparatively limited for profit than prior nintendo systems. Those $2 cars on Need for Speed are sheer profit.

I like the wii, but it's not as perfect as its amazing popularity suggests.

No...

[RancidMilk]

You will need to find a windows XP emulator that works in Windows 2012. After all, it is coming out in late 2008. I think it means the fiscal century.

Duke Nukem waiting Forever

[rpax9000]

Am I the only person who would buy this just to see what a game that's been in development since the Clinton administration would look like?

I agree with the earlier post - they would be doing a great disservice by releasing this game, if only because they would rob us of a good vaporware joke. What are we going to replace it with... Perl 6?

Re:12 Years Duke Nukem 3D

[vorlich]

Just over ten years ago, in 1997 my girlfriend and I danced around the apartment for at least fifteen minutes after she had finally killed the giant boss in the arena with (if my elderly memory serves me correctly,) the machine-gun. It was by far the best and hardest victory over a computer game ever and even getting the Warthog to the spaceship in Halo 1 was well.. an anti-climax. The Duke's hilarious remarks were killer, one of the best being "In an ideal world, you'd already be dead." and "Shake it baby, shake it" still works for me.

I have the DN port on my present machine and while Final Fantasy 12 on the PS2 and Oblivion on the Xbox 360 command my attention, I still find time to while away the hours shooting out urinals. I wasn't quite five years old when Alan B Shepherd made the first sub-orbital space flight and had to wait a long, long time for computers, computer games and mobile phones to arrive,(I shall try not to mention flying cars, those bastards) so I am hoping to play DNF before I collect my first pension payment.

Those 10 years ... they were like the blink of an eye.

What's the odds on...

[proc_tarry]

What's the odds on DNF releasing before the Cubs take the World Series?

We've still got...

[mutube]

"...this is the year of the Linux Desktop"

/hides

Re:We've still got...

[Tribbin]

That is where Duke Nukem Forever will be released on.

(use it while you can)

Gamer for Life...

[Joseph Hayes]

I'm right there with ya bro. I'm 28, newlywed, and I've played games since I can remember (I can still remember the first time I played a NES, vividly). I'm Chief Designer for a Truss Manufacturer and live a fairly responsible life. For me gaming is a lifestyle, I have little brothers that game and encourage their gaming as if it where playing a sport. Gaming is a culture for some people, and I for one am glad to be part of it.

Pictures or it Didn't Happen!

[Anonymous Coward]

By the time Half Life 2 was within a year of release we'd already had a big E3 demo, tons of screenshots, and a source code leak.

Accounting for the five year wait for HL2 and the 12 years so far for DNF, we should have been looking at screen shots for about two years now and had a source code leak last summer. Either they aren't following a realistic release schedule, or it's all made up.

Re:Pictures or it Didn't Happen!

[Runefox]

Bah! We've had screenshots for years! Hell, we have videos! (Screen from 1999 (damned good for 1999), Video (1998) Video (2001) Video (2007)) What are you on about?

AWESOME!

[saturnino]

Dude, this totally rocks! I was just starting to think that it would never be released. Now I just gotta find that check to "Babbages" that my mom made out so I could buy the game. Thanks so much, 3DRealms!

Duke On Line

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, stay alert, it seems we'll play on line throug IPv6 connections...

How?

[slapout]

How is 3D Realms staying in business? Do they have any other games bringing in money?

Re:How?

[KirkH]

They had Max Payne. And uh, Max Payne 2. And some handheld/mobile versions of Duke Nukem. Yeah, not much else.

Re:How?

[nuzak]

They had Prey. Their website would have answered this.

Re:How?

[jaguth]

How many people does it take to update news on www.3drealms.com? Wouldn't surprise me if its just one lonely, lonely person giggling quietly to himself with every 'possible release date' post. Shame on you!

Re:How?

[rabtech]

They don't have to answer to anyone because they have boatloads of cash.

Duke3D
All the Duke Expansion packs
Duke mobile variants (free money - the content already exists!)
Max Payne and Max Payne 2
Prey

Other game studios wish they were in that position. I might add that Half Life 2 took forever to come out (so did Team Fortress 2), but it was worth the wait.

Finally!

[Canosoup]

Geez, I've been waiting outside my local game store for what seems like a decade now.

Missing release date...

[BronsCon]

The article states that DNF will come out at the end of '08. What it fails to mention is that 3D Realms is torn between November 31, 2008 and December 1, 20008.

In other news

[black_lbi]

Guns'n Roses album Chinese Democracy will hit the stores anytime now ...
just don't blink or you'll miss it

GnR will release their record too

[Anonymous Coward]

I look forward to playing this game while listening to Chinese Democracy

It IS doomed!

[Belial6]

Well, it is doomed. In the not too distant future, Wii sales are going to plummet. My guess is that it will happen some time after Nintendo releases it's next console. I could be wrong though, it could be after MS or Sony release a new console. This will lead Nintendo to drop production on new units, and all of the existing will eventually fail, wiping the Wii from the face of the earth. Granted, it might take a decade or two for all of this to come to completion, but...

The Wii is DOOMED! DOOMED I tell you!!!

I only have ONE word to say...

[crovira]

... Daikatana ...

Re:I only have ONE word to say...

[G-funk]

Bah! Daikatana sucked, we all know. But there's Prey. That game was announced alongside UNREAL. It was so long in the past, I was asking around a couple of years ago and none of my (huge gaming nerd) mates even remembered it. It was announced in the day of the SNES and I've got it on 360. It's a great game! Not a classic along the lines of DN3D or Doom, but it's a helluva lot of fun.

LotD

[crovira]

that's got a change at least...

Riiiiight...

[belkode]

"Work with me people. All I want is sharks with frickin' lasers attached to their heads!!"

Meanwhile in the year 2000...

[Anonymous Coward]

Al Gore 'Confirmed' for Election 2000

I resemble that remark!

[The Governor]

That's me! I played Duke back when I was in the Navy at age 25.

Now I'm 37 (divorced) and recently built a whole new rig just to play GRAW2 (single player) in my dimly lit living room. :-)
I do like the slight feeling of youth it gives me. It takes me back to the 1999-2002 era when cooperative multiplayer still existed in a non-bastardized state. (I regret never having found anyone willing to play descent III with me though).

The only reason I took a vacation from games is because they really sucked for a few years (mostly still suck). All teams, deathmatch and such which probably appeals to the younger people. I want to be the lone marine again (or with a buddy) dropped onto a planet of monsters with no cut scenes, tool tips or anything. Just guns, wailing and gnashing of teeth.

What is time anyway?

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately 3d Realms adopted VALVe time.
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time

As you can see DMF wont be out until 2009.(but we already knew that didn't we)

hey- there is a web site for the game

[acomj]

http://www.3drealms.com/duke4/

complete with blinking text and "we know its taking a long time"

at least they have a sense of humor about it.

Screw that. Where is GTA-4?

[gelfling]

That I already put a deposit on.

Re:Screw that. Where is GTA-4?

[PopeGumby]

April 29. Nearly one year since I preordered and paid for it.

About the Wii...

[Cervantes]

For all those people posting "What about Wii" comments...

Did you ever play Duke Nukem?

Can you imagine some of the gestures they'd include in a Wii version??

Do you really think Nintendo would do anything other than gag and possibly pass out, upon seeing the demo???

Yeah, no way they'd get licensed.

Re:About the Wii...

[spiderworm]

you are so STUPID!

Manhunt 2! Resident Evil 4! If they were licensed, DNF would as well!

you are so STUPID!

Re:About the Wii...

[Anonymous Coward]

DNF in the racing world means... Did not finish

Hmm... Seem familiar?

soundtrack

[jzuccaro]

I just thought of the perfect soundtrack album for this game

Re: Recapturing your spirit in dark rooms.

[trdrstv]

Don't forget all the thirty year olds that moved on, got married, started families, got divorced, lost their kids, and now sit alone in a dark house playing videogames, trying to recapture the feeling of their youth, before their spirit was crushed.

Damn.... Minus the kid's that's me. ummmm.... wanna play some Halo ?

Duke Nukem Forever is a conole exclusive of...

[trdrstv]

The Atari 2600. I understand it's been terribly difficult porting the Unreal 3 engine to the system and that's what's been causing the constant delays.

It'll be worth it though...

Above the Console Wars

[myddrn]

3D Realms has not "formally announced any platform for DNF" Which means they'll be injecting directly into our collective temporal lobes.

Never...

[sibsybcys]

Never say never. Or in this case, Forever.

Re:Never...

[Gigahurt]

Dude, I would trademark that line now. It sounds like it was made for the DNF advertising campaign.

Why hide?

[Britz]

This is a good one, and becomes truer every year. In that sence every year is the year of desktop Linux.

Re:Why hide?

[dave420]

He's hiding because it's never been the year of Linux on the desktop. Ever. And it's not going to be this year, either :)

Re:What if it comes out? (they can't do it)

[gosand]

I think itwould be kind of tragic if did come out, actually. We'd need to find a new persistent vaporware joke. :(

3D Realms is more famous for NOT releasing it. How do they get their name on the blogs yet again? Fire up some Duke Nukem Forever rumor. Seriously, it is PR for them, even though it is a vaporware joke. It is still the most famous vaporware joke, and by perpetuating it, they keep their name in the news.

2008? You mean after a new Christ is born?

[Anonymous Coward]

They surely don't mean 2008 A.D., regarding the current Christ.

DNF is old news

[fuocoZERO]

I just heard that DNF2 is in the works!

"Big Three"? Oh, Wii, DS, and PC?

[Anonymous Freak]

There are obviously more Windows-running PCs than any other 'gaming' platform out there.

But if you are also talking about current-generation dedicated game hardware, then he must be talking about the Wii and the DS, as they outsell all other systems.

If he includes previous-gen consoles, then the PS2 is a big contender, as it STILL outsells the PS3. (By contrast, Xbox and GameCube sales essentially died overnight when Xbox 360 and Wii came out.)

Re:In Soviet Soviet Russia...

[angryfirelord]

In Soviet Soviet Russia, you finish DNF! Becase In Soviet Russia, double reversal reverses YOU!!

Oh, the horror!

And I thought the world was gonna end!

[unityofsaints]

For a second when reading the headline everything around me froze in time- like the apocalypse was approaching.. 'What??? Duke Nukem Forever now has a confirmed release date??" Surely this would make hell freeze over! BUT then I saw the quotation marks around 'confirmed'. Phew, close call! Life is good again :)

I still demand my promised Nintendo 64 version!

[pecosdave]

Viva la 64 bit revolution!

Count us...

[vorlich]

Our name is legion.

Platforms

[mqduck]

If I'm left out of the loop because they don't release a PC version, I'll cry.

Re:Ooh! Can't wait to play it...

[WarlockD]

http://www.phantom.net/

GOD they still exist. But their SSL cert is expired as of last August. So now, they are a keyboard company?

"hitting the big three"

[Paaskonijn]

That's Linux, Mac OS X and Wii, right?

yeah yeah

[whoppo]

yeah yeah.. we know.. it's time to kick ass and chew bubble gum... and he's all outta gum...

Yawn.

I wonder...

[56ksucks]

.. If it's been in development this long, will it still run on a 300Mhz processor?

Mayan Calendar

[Sperlock]

It will probably come out in 2012, when the Mayan Calendar ends. :D

The original?

[discHead]

http://tinyurl.com/29x2q4

Re:Ooh! Can't wait to play it...

[Samah]

I think you mean your Okama Gamesphere.

More like 12 year olds

[hackshack]

Hell, I was 12 when I played teh original DN. To my adolescent sensibilities, it was pretty cool.

But now? I can't imagine that kind of shtick competing with modern-day fare. Maybe the 30-to-45-year old "man-child" market would be all over it, but not The Rest of the World.

Re:More like 12 year olds

[Phisbut]

Hell, I was 12 when I played teh original DN. To my adolescent sensibilities, it was pretty cool.

But now? I can't imagine that kind of shtick competing with modern-day fare. Maybe the 30-to-45-year old "man-child" market would be all over it, but not The Rest of the World.

And this game won't be marketed to "the rest of the world" either. Their target audience is people who played Duke Nukem 3D 12 years ago and have been waiting for the sequel since then.

To the general public, this is yet another first-person shooter, with a rude and macho protagonist. To us, it's good ol' Duke.

Need help changing presentation

[aviators99]

I've raised 4 generations of Software Marketing students on a definition of vaporware that will soon become invalid!

So... What do you do?

[PHanT0]

"I work at 3D Realms..."
"Really? What's that like?"
"It's pretty sweet... we sit around a dream up cool stuff based on a 10 year piece of software..."
"A what do you do with these ideas?"
"Press releases, screen mock-ups, teaser trailers... that sort of thing."
"That doesn't sound like a whole lot of work..."
"Nope... we pretty much just like the sound of fake deadlines."
"Fake?"
"Yeah... it's nice to have a boss and investors who don't really care about releasing actual product."
"I wish my boss would take a page out of that book..."
"Who do you work for?"
"Microsoft..."
*snicker*

Satisfied

[rolando2424]

I'm routinely satisfied, though, if you know what I mean.

No, I'm afraid I dont know...

2008?

[prevajanje]

go safe and make that 2018

Hmm

[Pakaran2]

Any chance of a release for GNU HURD?

Someone mixed up the words in the title

[Anonymous Coward]

"Duke Nukem for 2008 confirmed forever Late"

Definitely closer to reality

you're blaming the wrong guy.

[Moonpie Madness]

I think the Duke Nuken Forever that was nearly finished several years ago would be fine for the wii.

But if you develop it for the wii, you might as well develop it for the PS2. You're probably getting rid of multiplayer, and you're getting rid of all the super profitable expansion maps, players, songs, whatever. You're also trying to sell a crude game on a Nintendo, and trying to sell a third party game on a Nintendo. Nintendo has been a dick to third parties, and some of them just don't want to bother overcoming the storage and power limitations of the wii when the PS3 and 360 are actually selling plenty of systems to be very successful.

You can blame the developer, but it's really his choice. It would make a lot more sense to blame Nintendo for running off all its developers over decades.

I like how you throw in the swipe at Sony, even though they have been pretty awesome to developers, and it shows in their 8000+ game library for the PS1 and PS2 *each*. YEah, Sony is run by arrogant morons who are marketing to the Autistic, and their system costs a zillion dollars, but in many parts of the world, this system is still outselling the Wii. Why? because it's all about the games, and the wii follows a nintendo tradition of offering few third party games. The stories of developers flocking to the wii are old... the stories of developers flocking back to the PS3 are fresh (and at Fry's I noticed you cannot get a Wii bundle for less than $369, but you can get a PS3 for $399 with that dumb blu-ray player that a lot of people will want.)

The wii's controller is pretty innovative, but the real innovation comes on the discs, and I'm seeing more innovation on the 360 and PS3s these days.

Combine all this, especially the storage and online issues, with the fact that the wii has dominated mostly in the economy that is growing the least and has a shrinking disposable income, and you understand why all the fascinating third party games are coming out on the two "loser" systems.

Why?

[ShadowsHawk]

No, really. Why give them your money before you get the product? Most of the crap that you get for preordering is just that. Crap.

Re:Why?

[PopeGumby]

normally i dont, but this time you get a duffle bag, a lock box, the soundtrack on cd and a book of feature art from the game. not too shabby.

but you dont get that for preordering, thats just the special edition. there are two reasons i preordered this game:

1. my girlfriend got me a voucher for my birthday, specifically for this game, and I didnt want to just sit on the voucher for what was 5 months at the time, and turned into 11.

2. i was definitely going to be buying the game anyway, and i tend to feel less buyers remorse if ive already paid for it, so that on the day i just walk in and pick it up.

Re:Why?

[ShadowsHawk]

Ahh, so you didn't actually spend your money on it. Understandable then. I just hate the idea of preordering a game that hasn't gone gold yet. I think companies like EB/Gamestop are taking advantage of people.

Re:Why?

[PopeGumby]

no it wasnt my money, but if i hadnt got the voucher, i definitely would have preordered anyway.

this is a genuine question - how are they taking advantage if said people would have bought it anyway?

Re:Why?

[ShadowsHawk]

You're essentially giving them money with the promise of future product. Multiply $10-20 (not sure how much you have to put down for a preorder) by 250k copies and they have a sizable interest free cash advance.

Re:Why?

[PopeGumby]

Generally when I preorder, I pay the full price up front, so as to reduce/eleminate the buyers remorse i inevitably feel on the day of purchase.

i see your point about a cash advance, but at the same time, if i preorder something, its because i can afford to at that moment, whereas when the release date rolls around, my financial situation might be slightly different.

in theory, at the moment I preorder and pay for the game, I should be taking that money, locking it into a bank account and letting it accrue interest for me instead of for them. but im afraid my personal finances dont quite work that way :>

Can't wait...

[kafros]

Can't wait to play DNF on my phantom console powered by my basement's antimatter fusion reactor, every morning before I take my flying car to work.

DNF development progress meetings

[kafros]

Project lead:So where are we?
Dev 1:We have just finished the icon for the desktop shortcut
Project lead:I knew the game engine change decision would pay off. What's next?
Dev 2:Well...Vista is out now and the icon would definitely look better for Aero
Project lead:Agreed. redo the icon. Should we also change to Unreal Engine 4?
Dev 3: Let me call EPIC and ask for their latest build


Moral of the story: Why finish and ship when you can change the game engine and start from scratch?

So sad...

[JAlexoi]

It's so sad that I aint gonna comment on it....